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I thought he played decent, Wasn't horrible but had plenty of help from Thornton and the TE, I dont think he has the feet of a Tackle...LT or RT...especially with creative speed rushers who just don't bull rush.. I did not chart anything but I'd be surprised if when I read Ben Gundy's charting report for the Bucs that Good achieved more then 89%....Above the 85% threshold. I don't think he has the power to play Guard either...Could prove to be just a serviceable backup

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Pretty tough crowd on here. The kid was tossed into the fire and but for a couple of penalties did a darn good job. Is it not true that offensive linemen take time to develop? If so, I think this guy has a solid future. And for a 7th round pick, even having him show up in uniform during the regular season is beating the odds in a big way.

Now, if you want to criticize someone, who was responsible for all that pressure up the middle, not to mention the inability to run all day long? Mr. j. Harrison, take a bow!

Agreed. Harrison was terrible. He can't run block to save his life. Not that Holmes was perfect, but I didn't see Holmes being shoved into the back field on almost every single run play. Holmes appears to be getting the A.Q Shipley treatment by the coaching staff.
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I liked how Goode played and I thought this might be a productive starting oline in the future.  I think Mewhort was one of the highest rated centers coming out of high school.  What about something like this seeing as how Holmes or Harrison don't appear to have the skills to play center at a high level week in and week out.

 

 

Castanzo   Reitz    Mewhort    Thornton    Goode

 

Biggest and most physically talented

combo of personnel I could think of that are currently on roster.  thoughts?

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15 hours ago, aaron11 said:

it's not the harrison is great, its that holmes is not a good pass or run blocker.

 

harrison makes mistakes like bad snaps and missed blocking assignments but he is noticeably better at blocking when he is in the right spot

The only thing in the above post that is remotely true is the statement, "it's not the harrison is great."  No, he's not great and he's not even good.  And Holmes has shown to be better than Harrison in every type of blocking; run, pass, double, downfield, stunts, blitzes, low, high, blocking the right person, blocking the wrong person.

The only thing Harrison has proved better at is helping up the QB or RB after his guy makes the hit or the tackle.

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10 hours ago, bigt said:

I liked how Goode played and I thought this might be a productive starting oline in the future.  I think Mewhort was one of the highest rated centers coming out of high school.  What about something like this seeing as how Holmes or Harrison don't appear to have the skills to play center at a high level week in and week out.

 

 

Castanzo   Reitz    Mewhort    Thornton    Goode

 

Biggest and most physically talented

combo of personnel I could think of that are currently on roster.  thoughts?

Not a bad idea, although I don't know who "Goode" is.:thmup:

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43 minutes ago, Coffeedrinker said:

The only thing in the above post that is remotely true is the statement, "it's not the harrison is great."  No, he's not great and he's not even good.  And Holmes has shown to be better than Harrison in every type of blocking; run, pass, double, downfield, stunts, blitzes, low, high, blocking the right person, blocking the wrong person.

The only thing Harrison has proved better at is helping up the QB or RB after his guy makes the hit or the tackle.

They haven't put up a review from the BUCS game, but here's the one from the Falcons

 

CHARTING THE COLTS OFFENSIVE LINE vs The Falcons

 

C Jonotthan Harrison
Run blocks: 13/23 (57%)
Gap blocks: 2/9 (22%), 18 yards (2.0 avg.), two successes (22%), 2.6 run blocks per gap block
2nd level blocks: 9/11 (82%)
Screen blocks: 1/3, 36 yards
Pass blocks: 32/36 (89%), two pressures, two hits
Stunt blocks: 4/5, one pressure

Nothing to see here, folks. Move along.

OK, I’ll talk about Harrison a bit. He sucked. He has not been good at all this year. He’s been lunging and missing in pass protection, getting knocked back by bull rushes, and failing to track stunts. And worst of all, the freakish power that made him useful in run blocking last year seems to be gone. He’s not getting any movement, and clever defensive linemen are knocking his hands away and making plays in the backfield. He’s been a big liability.

Stability is extremely valuable on the offensive line, but it’s starting to look like the Colts should go back to Khaled Holmes. He hasn’t been very good this year, but he’s been better than Harrison – even in run blocking, which is supposed to be Harrison’s forte. The Colts need to find a new center in the offseason. Or two new centers.

http://coltsauthority.com/2015-archives/charting-the-colts-offensive-line-week-11-vs-falcons.html

 

 

What is our fascination with this dude?

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2 hours ago, krunk said:

They haven't put up a review from the BUCS game, but here's the one from the Falcons

 

CHARTING THE COLTS OFFENSIVE LINE vs The Falcons

 

C Jonotthan Harrison
Run blocks: 13/23 (57%)
Gap blocks: 2/9 (22%), 18 yards (2.0 avg.), two successes (22%), 2.6 run blocks per gap block
2nd level blocks: 9/11 (82%)
Screen blocks: 1/3, 36 yards
Pass blocks: 32/36 (89%), two pressures, two hits
Stunt blocks: 4/5, one pressure

Nothing to see here, folks. Move along.

OK, I’ll talk about Harrison a bit. He sucked. He has not been good at all this year. He’s been lunging and missing in pass protection, getting knocked back by bull rushes, and failing to track stunts. And worst of all, the freakish power that made him useful in run blocking last year seems to be gone. He’s not getting any movement, and clever defensive linemen are knocking his hands away and making plays in the backfield. He’s been a big liability.

Stability is extremely valuable on the offensive line, but it’s starting to look like the Colts should go back to Khaled Holmes. He hasn’t been very good this year, but he’s been better than Harrison – even in run blocking, which is supposed to be Harrison’s forte. The Colts need to find a new center in the offseason. Or two new centers.

http://coltsauthority.com/2015-archives/charting-the-colts-offensive-line-week-11-vs-falcons.html

 

 

What is our fascination with this dude?

I don't always agree with CA but there stuff is well researched and thought out.

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I'm very annoyed when I see Harrison play Center, the only thing that really bothers me about the Colts right now. It's one of those things that are unexplainable to me. I feel like Holmes lost his job because he was injured for one game, which is not fair, like they couldn't wait to find a reason to take him out of the starting lineup. It's almost the same thing that happened with Reitz. Colts just can't admit he is better than the other guys they have.

 

Oh, and to stay in the topic a bit, I like Good. He may be a starter in the future for the Colts.

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5 minutes ago, RomanianColtsFan said:

I'm very annoyed when I see Harrison play Center, the only thing that really bothers me about the Colts right now. It's one of those things that are unexplainable to me. I feel like Holmes lost his job because he was injured for one game, which is not fair, like they couldn't wait to find a reason to take him out of the starting lineup. It's almost the same thing that happened with Reitz. Colts just can't admit he is better than the other guys they have.

I feel the same way, as do many on the forum.  I think a lot of people will jump to the conclusion that Grigson is meddling in the lineup, but I don't see where him doing that makes sense. He's just replacing average guys that he signed or drafted with other average guys he signed or drafted.  I don't see where that kind of meddling protects his ego, as some would accuse.

I just think the coaches saw something  they don't like.  The only commonality between Holmes and Reitz is that they both tend to be unreliable by getting nicked up often, but Reitz seems to have moved past that (crosses fingers)

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19 hours ago, aaron11 said:

its nice to have opinions

An opinion is something like, "I think Harrison will improve and become a stud center."  Or, of course, the opposite, " I don't think Harrison can improve and I think he will be out of the NFL in 2016."

Those are opinions, opinions can be, but don't have to be supported by anything.  For example, if you think Harrison will improve you can use the fact that the coaching staff keeps starting him to support that opinion.

Harrison playing poorly is a fact, not an opinion.  That he has played better than Holmes is a fantasy not an opinion.

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Brian Jones did somewhat of a charting of Goods snaps on Colts Authority

http://coltsauthority.com/2015-archives/rookie-watch-week-12.html

 

If you take a look at the last clip they posted of Good doing run blocking, he just flat out takes his man drives him forward and pancakes the guy.  I like it!  Kind of looked like Larry Allen or one of those old Cowboys lineman on that one.

I think that run should have gotten at least 3 to 4 yards, but Harrisons guy powered past him, slid down the line and made it at TFL or maybe 1 yard gain at best.

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1 hour ago, krunk said:

Brian Jones did somewhat of a charting of Goods snaps on Colts Authority

http://coltsauthority.com/2015-archives/rookie-watch-week-12.html

 

If you take a look at the last clip they posted of Good doing run blocking, he just flat out takes his man drives him forward and pancakes the guy.  I like it!  Kind of looked like Larry Allen or one of those old Cowboys lineman on that one.

I think that run should have gotten at least 3 to 4 yards, but Harrisons guy powered past him, slid down the line and made it at TFL or maybe 1 yard gain at best.

Thanks for posting Krunk.  The last video is impressive.  Look at the 1st play on the 2nd to last video for Good.  This is what I saw him do in the preseason and it shows why I think he will be a good RT in this league.  he and Thornton double a guy but then he recognizes the stunt early, does and excellent job of handing the guy of to Thornton and then he slides out and takes the stunting defensive player.  What was really impressive was he maintains perfect form and balance and he's coming out, so no matter what the defender tried to do, he was in position to stop it.

Now, another look another look at that last video

Reitz comes down to the play side and gets the guy over Mewhort.

Mewhort gets out to the 2nd level, engages the LB and drives him downfield.

Thornton doubles with Harrison on the NT and then slides up to get the LB.  He stands him up.

Good get his guy

Doyle comes out of the backfield and takes a LB in the hole.

The play is blocked.... except Harrison.  Even after getting help from Thornton, Harrison's guy beats him as soon as Thornton goes to the 2nd level, comes down the line and makes the play for no gain.  If Harrison makes his block Bradshaw gets a TD.  it really is as simple as that.

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11 minutes ago, Coffeedrinker said:

Thanks for posting Krunk.  The last video is impressive.  Look at the 1st play on the 2nd to last video for Good.  This is what I saw him do in the preseason and it shows why I think he will be a good RT in this league.  he and Thornton double a guy but then he recognizes the stunt early, does and excellent job of handing the guy of to Thornton and then he slides out and takes the stunting defensive player.  What was really impressive was he maintains perfect form and balance and he's coming out, so no matter what the defender tried to do, he was in position to stop it.

Now, another look another look at that last video

Reitz comes down to the play side and gets the guy over Mewhort.

Mewhort gets out to the 2nd level, engages the LB and drives him downfield.

Thornton doubles with Harrison on the NT and then slides up to get the LB.  He stands him up.

Good get his guy

Doyle comes out of the backfield and takes a LB in the hole.

The play is blocked.... except Harrison.  Even after getting help from Thornton, Harrison's guy beats him as soon as Thornton goes to the 2nd level, comes down the line and makes the play for no gain.  If Harrison makes his block Bradshaw gets a TD.  it really is as simple as that.

 

Yeah! Now it didn't look like there was a whole lot to gain on that play even if Harrison blocked his guy properly, but I'll say it still shouldn't have went for a TFL.  If Harrison had blocked the guy I'm thinking 3 to 4 yard gain once Bradshaw steps into the gap and powers through.

 

Anyways back to Good!  I was real impressed by that Pancake block and some of those other videos show he can play the position as well.  Shoot I kind of wish he'd of been playing a little sooner.  You put that type of power next to Thornton and let them jell you might just have something there buddy.

 

I'm just Glad it turned out well for the most part.  Now we have more OL depth than we thought we had.  Based on what I saw in the preseason I kind of thought he would play well if given a chance.  He just looked different to me than some of the other guys I've seen us pick up at the tackle position.

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1 minute ago, krunk said:

 

Yeah! Now it didn't look like there was a whole lot to gain on that play even if Harrison blocked his guy properly, but I'll say it still shouldn't have went for a TFL.  If Harrison had blocked the guy I'm thinking 3 to 4 yard gain once Bradshaw steps into the gap and powers through.

The only thing that would have stopped Bradshaw (if Harrison blocked his guy) would have been possible tripping over Doyle's legs because did not get a good block.  But numerous times we have seen Bradshaw stride over those type of obstacles both with the Giants and Colts.

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On November 30, 2015 at 6:37:01 AM, BrentMc11 said:

Whether we like it or not, Good held up better than Mewhort in the experiment with RT.

 

If he gets even stronger, and with his footwork....he may eventually play at Left tackle too.

That's not true

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19 hours ago, Coffeedrinker said:

An opinion is something like, "I think Harrison will improve and become a stud center."  Or, of course, the opposite, " I don't think Harrison can improve and I think he will be out of the NFL in 2016."

Those are opinions, opinions can be, but don't have to be supported by anything.  For example, if you think Harrison will improve you can use the fact that the coaching staff keeps starting him to support that opinion.

Harrison playing poorly is a fact, not an opinion.  That he has played better than Holmes is a fantasy not an opinion.

its not a fact because it isnt true.  it goes without saying the coaches like him better right now

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On 11/30/2015, 11:28:26, Coffeedrinker said:

The oline is not bad.  I didn't get to watch much of the game but Good played well (for a 7th round rookie seeing his first real NFL action in his career) but it looks like he is still at least an offseason away from being reliable at the RT spot.  Reitz is the man.  Thornton has really been the best Colts lineman for the past several weeks (again I didn't get to see the Tampa game so I don't know how he played in that).  Mewhort is progressing well at the LG spot and AC is AC.

 

I still don't understand the Harrison switch though.  Every time I watch him I have to wonder how he is even in the NFL.  He's just plain bad.  If the Colts don't like Holmes then fine but at least leave him in there until next year.

 

I was interested in the running stats because it seemed earlier in the year the Colts had a good running game that was under utilized but now they have a bad running game.  So I looked it up, I took out QB runs because those are not running plays, they are usually pass plays that break down for one reason or another.

 

With Harrison as the starting center the Colts have:

109 rushes for 281 yards (2.58 ypc) 1 TD

 

With Holmes as the starting center the Colts have:

122 rushes for 509 yards (4.17 ypc) 3 TDs.

 

Not to mention the increase in hits and sacks on AL/MH.   Is the drop off all on Harrison... probably not, some of it has to do with Chud's running plays but a large portion of it falls  on Harrison and is lack of ability.

 

This sums up what I have seen as well. Harrison is so bad its laughable.  Reitz needs to be at a T spot, he can play.  Good while I agree has a future at RT is not the man right now.  He can pancake yes but his feet need work.  

Honestly at this point I would be all for cutting Harrison and letting Herremans (sp?) take the back up center spot.  

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1 hour ago, aaron11 said:

its not a fact because it isnt true.  it goes without saying the coaches like him better right now

So, you think Harrison has been playing well?

The coaches like him better and that would support the opinion that he has more upside than Holmes.

Of course, the coaches liked Herremans better than Thornton at RG, Mewhort better than Reitz at RT and Lance better than Mewhort at LG, Harrison better than Shipley at C, Satele better than Shipley at center, McGlynn better than a bag of sand at RG, Justice at RT.

This staff, overall, has not made good decisions when it comes to who to play on the oline.

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1 hour ago, Coffeedrinker said:

So, you think Harrison has been playing well?

The coaches like him better and that would support the opinion that he has more upside than Holmes.

Of course, the coaches liked Herremans better than Thornton at RG, Mewhort better than Reitz at RT and Lance better than Mewhort at LG, Harrison better than Shipley at C, Satele better than Shipley at center, McGlynn better than a bag of sand at RG, Justice at RT.

This staff, overall, has not made good decisions when it comes to who to play on the oline.

 

 Now that`s a Fact Jack!!
Some Serious ineptitude 4 years running!

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2 hours ago, Coffeedrinker said:

So, you think Harrison has been playing well?

The coaches like him better and that would support the opinion that he has more upside than Holmes.

Of course, the coaches liked Herremans better than Thornton at RG, Mewhort better than Reitz at RT and Lance better than Mewhort at LG, Harrison better than Shipley at C, Satele better than Shipley at center, McGlynn better than a bag of sand at RG, Justice at RT.

This staff, overall, has not made good decisions when it comes to who to play on the oline.

 i agree with a lot of what you are saying and my attitude in the other posts wasn't called for.  i dont think anyone is excited about either guy for the long term.

if harrison can stop with the bad snaps then i like him a little better as a pass and run blocker.  i am not even a big pff supporter but they have named holmes one of the worst blocking centers in the game.  it seems like we get pressured up the middle on almost every snap when he is in, but some of that might have been luck holding the ball too long because of peps play calling

we all know the run blocking has been bad across the board, i doubt the solution is on the roster 

 

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2 hours ago, Coffeedrinker said:

So, you think Harrison has been playing well?

The coaches like him better and that would support the opinion that he has more upside than Holmes.

Of course, the coaches liked Herremans better than Thornton at RG, Mewhort better than Reitz at RT and Lance better than Mewhort at LG, Harrison better than Shipley at C, Satele better than Shipley at center, McGlynn better than a bag of sand at RG, Justice at RT.

This staff, overall, has not made good decisions when it comes to who to play on the oline.

 i agree with a lot of what you are saying and my attitude in the other posts wasn't called for.  i dont think anyone is excited about either guy for the long term.

if harrison can stop with the bad snaps then i like him a little better as a pass and run blocker.  i am not even a big pff supporter but they have named holmes one of the worst blocking centers in the game.  it seems like we get pressured up the middle on almost every snap when he is in, but some of that might have been luck holding the ball too long because of peps play calling

we all know the run blocking has been bad across the board, i doubt the solution is on the roster 

 

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2 hours ago, Coffeedrinker said:

So, you think Harrison has been playing well?

The coaches like him better and that would support the opinion that he has more upside than Holmes.

Of course, the coaches liked Herremans better than Thornton at RG, Mewhort better than Reitz at RT and Lance better than Mewhort at LG, Harrison better than Shipley at C, Satele better than Shipley at center, McGlynn better than a bag of sand at RG, Justice at RT.

This staff, overall, has not made good decisions when it comes to who to play on the oline.

 i agree with a lot of what you are saying and my attitude in the other posts wasn't called for.  i dont think anyone is excited about either guy for the long term.

if harrison can stop with the bad snaps then i like him a little better as a pass and run blocker.  i am not even a big pff supporter but they have named holmes one of the worst blocking centers in the game.  it seems like we get pressured up the middle on almost every snap when he is in, but some of that might have been luck holding the ball too long because of peps play calling

we all know the run blocking has been bad across the board, i doubt the solution is on the roster 

 

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On ‎12‎/‎2‎/‎2015‎ ‎4‎:‎00‎:‎36‎, Coffeedrinker said:

An opinion is something like, "I think Harrison will improve and become a stud center."  Or, of course, the opposite, " I don't think Harrison can improve and I think he will be out of the NFL in 2016."

Those are opinions, opinions can be, but don't have to be supported by anything.  For example, if you think Harrison will improve you can use the fact that the coaching staff keeps starting him to support that opinion.

Harrison playing poorly is a fact, not an opinion.  That he has played better than Holmes is a fantasy not an opinion.

What is a proper noun?  Or a conjunction?  I think we all know what a fact an opinion is lol... Just giving ya a hard time :)

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3 hours ago, Coffeedrinker said:

So, you think Harrison has been playing well?

The coaches like him better and that would support the opinion that he has more upside than Holmes.

Of course, the coaches liked Herremans better than Thornton at RG, Mewhort better than Reitz at RT and Lance better than Mewhort at LG, Harrison better than Shipley at C, Satele better than Shipley at center, McGlynn better than a bag of sand at RG, Justice at RT.

This staff, overall, has not made good decisions when it comes to who to play on the oline.

Or haven't had much to work with in certain situations, but YES, the decision making hasn't been good either!

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23 minutes ago, Coffeedrinker said:

I would have just "liked" this but I keep getting an error when I try to like a post.

I'm not a big fan of this new forum!  I tried to post and it was "saving" however, the text remained in the box.  I ended up clicking 4x then refreshing only to see the 3 paragraphs posted each time I clicked the button lol

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5 hours ago, Coffeedrinker said:

So, you think Harrison has been playing well?

The coaches like him better and that would support the opinion that he has more upside than Holmes.

Of course, the coaches liked Herremans better than Thornton at RG, Mewhort better than Reitz at RT and Lance better than Mewhort at LG, Harrison better than Shipley at C, Satele better than Shipley at center, McGlynn better than a bag of sand at RG, Justice at RT.

This staff, overall, has not made good decisions when it comes to who to play on the oline.

 

I'll say this up front......

You've forgotten more about offensive line play than I've ever known....

That said.....

I think you've made some spectacular leaps to conclusions where there simply aren't enough facts to support your opinion.

Mewhort better than Reitz at right tackle?     Maybe,  but this one is complex and not as simple as you make it out to be.

Louis better than Mewhort at LG?        No.   Just no.

What was the Justice reference again?     No other named mentioned.

I think there were/are too many moving parts and inside info for you to know conclusively that the coaches liked Player A over Playered B at any given spot.      About some of the above,  yes, I'd agree with....  that said,  some of that mess was back during 2012, when the team was operating under an 80 Million dollar
budget instead of 120 Mill.

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5 hours ago, Coffeedrinker said:

So, you think Harrison has been playing well?

The coaches like him better and that would support the opinion that he has more upside than Holmes.

Of course, the coaches liked Herremans better than Thornton at RG, Mewhort better than Reitz at RT and Lance better than Mewhort at LG, Harrison better than Shipley at C, Satele better than Shipley at center, McGlynn better than a bag of sand at RG, Justice at RT.

This staff, overall, has not made good decisions when it comes to who to play on the oline.

 

I'll say this up front......

You've forgotten more about offensive line play than I've ever known....

That said.....

I think you've made some spectacular leaps to conclusions where there simply aren't enough facts to support your opinion.

Mewhort better than Reitz at right tackle?     Maybe,  but this one is complex and not as simple as you make it out to be.

Louis better than Mewhort at LG?        No.   Just no.

What was the Justice reference again?     No other named mentioned.

I think there were/are too many moving parts and inside info for you to know conclusively that the coaches liked Player A over Playered B at any given spot.      About some of the above,  yes, I'd agree with....  that said,  some of that mess was back during 2012, when the team was operating under an 80 Million dollar
budget instead of 120 Mill.

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5 hours ago, Coffeedrinker said:

So, you think Harrison has been playing well?

The coaches like him better and that would support the opinion that he has more upside than Holmes.

Of course, the coaches liked Herremans better than Thornton at RG, Mewhort better than Reitz at RT and Lance better than Mewhort at LG, Harrison better than Shipley at C, Satele better than Shipley at center, McGlynn better than a bag of sand at RG, Justice at RT.

This staff, overall, has not made good decisions when it comes to who to play on the oline.

 

I'll say this up front......

You've forgotten more about offensive line play than I've ever known....

That said.....

I think you've made some spectacular leaps to conclusions where there simply aren't enough facts to support your opinion.

Mewhort better than Reitz at right tackle?     Maybe,  but this one is complex and not as simple as you make it out to be.

Louis better than Mewhort at LG?        No.   Just no.

What was the Justice reference again?     No other named mentioned.

I think there were/are too many moving parts and inside info for you to know conclusively that the coaches liked Player A over Playered B at any given spot.      About some of the above,  yes, I'd agree with....  that said,  some of that mess was back during 2012, when the team was operating under an 80 Million dollar
budget instead of 120 Mill.

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5 hours ago, Coffeedrinker said:

So, you think Harrison has been playing well?

The coaches like him better and that would support the opinion that he has more upside than Holmes.

Of course, the coaches liked Herremans better than Thornton at RG, Mewhort better than Reitz at RT and Lance better than Mewhort at LG, Harrison better than Shipley at C, Satele better than Shipley at center, McGlynn better than a bag of sand at RG, Justice at RT.

This staff, overall, has not made good decisions when it comes to who to play on the oline.

 

I'll say this up front......

You've forgotten more about offensive line play than I've ever known....

That said.....

I think you've made some spectacular leaps to conclusions where there simply aren't enough facts to support your opinion.

Mewhort better than Reitz at right tackle?     Maybe,  but this one is complex and not as simple as you make it out to be.

Louis better than Mewhort at LG?        No.   Just no.

What was the Justice reference again?     No other named mentioned.

I think there were/are too many moving parts and inside info for you to know conclusively that the coaches liked Player A over Player B at any given spot.      About some of the above,  yes, I'd agree with....  that said,  some of that mess was back during 2012, when the team was operating under an 80 Million dollar
budget instead of 120 Mill.

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5 hours ago, Coffeedrinker said:

So, you think Harrison has been playing well?

The coaches like him better and that would support the opinion that he has more upside than Holmes.

Of course, the coaches liked Herremans better than Thornton at RG, Mewhort better than Reitz at RT and Lance better than Mewhort at LG, Harrison better than Shipley at C, Satele better than Shipley at center, McGlynn better than a bag of sand at RG, Justice at RT.

This staff, overall, has not made good decisions when it comes to who to play on the oline.

 

I'll say this up front......

You've forgotten more about offensive line play than I've ever known....

That said.....

I think you've made some spectacular leaps to conclusions where there simply aren't enough facts to support your opinion.

Mewhort better than Reitz at right tackle?     Maybe,  but this one is complex and not as simple as you make it out to be.

Louis better than Mewhort at LG?        No.   Just no.

What was the Justice reference again?     No other named mentioned.

I think there were/are too many moving parts and inside info for you to know conclusively that the coaches liked Player A over Player B at any given spot.      About some of the above,  yes, I'd agree with....  that said,  some of that mess was back during 2012, when the team was operating under an 80 Million dollar
budget instead of 120 Mill.

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5 hours ago, Coffeedrinker said:

So, you think Harrison has been playing well?

The coaches like him better and that would support the opinion that he has more upside than Holmes.

Of course, the coaches liked Herremans better than Thornton at RG, Mewhort better than Reitz at RT and Lance better than Mewhort at LG, Harrison better than Shipley at C, Satele better than Shipley at center, McGlynn better than a bag of sand at RG, Justice at RT.

This staff, overall, has not made good decisions when it comes to who to play on the oline.

 

I'll say this up front......

You've forgotten more about offensive line play than I've ever known....

That said.....

I think you've made some spectacular leaps to conclusions where there simply aren't enough facts to support your opinion.

Mewhort better than Reitz at right tackle?     Maybe,  but this one is complex and not as simple as you make it out to be.

Louis better than Mewhort at LG?        No.   Just no.

What was the Justice reference again?     No other named mentioned.

I think there were/are too many moving parts and inside info for you to know conclusively that the coaches liked Player A over Player B at any given spot.      About some of the above,  yes, I'd agree with....  that said,  some of that mess was back during 2012, when the team was operating under an 80 Million dollar
budget instead of 120 Mill.

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5 hours ago, Coffeedrinker said:

So, you think Harrison has been playing well?

The coaches like him better and that would support the opinion that he has more upside than Holmes.

Of course, the coaches liked Herremans better than Thornton at RG, Mewhort better than Reitz at RT and Lance better than Mewhort at LG, Harrison better than Shipley at C, Satele better than Shipley at center, McGlynn better than a bag of sand at RG, Justice at RT.

This staff, overall, has not made good decisions when it comes to who to play on the oline.

 

I'll say this up front......

You've forgotten more about offensive line play than I've ever known....

That said.....

I think you've made some spectacular leaps to conclusions where there simply aren't enough facts to support your opinion.

Mewhort better than Reitz at right tackle?     Maybe,  but this one is complex and not as simple as you make it out to be.

Louis better than Mewhort at LG?        No.   Just no.

What was the Justice reference again?     No other named mentioned.

I think there were/are too many moving parts and inside info for you to know conclusively that the coaches liked Player A over Player B at any given spot.      About some of the above,  yes, I'd agree with....  that said,  some of that mess was back during 2012, when the team was operating under an 80 Million dollar
budget instead of 120 Mill.

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45 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

I'll say this up front......

You've forgotten more about offensive line play than I've ever known....

That said.....

I think you've made some spectacular leaps to conclusions where there simply aren't enough facts to support your opinion.

Mewhort better than Reitz at right tackle?     Maybe,  but this one is complex and not as simple as you make it out to be.

Louis better than Mewhort at LG?        No.   Just no.

What was the Justice reference again?     No other named mentioned.

I think there were/are too many moving parts and inside info for you to know conclusively that the coaches liked Player A over Player B at any given spot.      About some of the above,  yes, I'd agree with....  that said,  some of that mess was back during 2012, when the team was operating under an 80 Million dollar
budget instead of 120 Mill.

There are some bugs with site.  

yes there were some leaps of logic, no doubt.  If, mewhort and Louis were battling for LG only they may haev chosen Mewhort over Lance that is true.  The staff though, thought that Mewhort was enough better than Reitz to move him to RT and that any differences between mewhort and Louis at LG would be minimal.  

The Justice comment was more an attempt at humor than anything... ie, They thought Justice could play RT.  That being said, Linkenbach was one of the worst olineman in Colts history , I'm sure many remember the clip of the San Diego player sacking Manning WITH Linkonhisback... I don't mean that Link and the SD player sacked Manning, the SD player threw Link into Manning to knock him down.  even with that he would have been a better choice at RT than Justice.  yes they had some cap issues that year and the pickens were slim at the RT budget they had but they had a better player on the roster and they still choose Justice.

I'm not a Grigson basher, I think he has done some good things with the roster but free agent oline signings is not one of those things.

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