A statistical comparison of some of the league's notable cornerbacks.

[Jhaze55]

what stats? 

In the OP. You know, the stats of all the notable cornerbacks in the league? That's what this topic is about, no?

[OffensivelyPC]

what stats? 

Com'on guys, you know he doesn't know what these look like. 

[thedude]

In the famous words of Mike Ditka, "stats are for losers".  Any chimpanzee can simply quote stats.  Who would the number 1 CB be if one was to use only stats?  That's right, some dude no one's ever heard of.

[thedude]

In the OP. You know, the stats of all the notable cornerbacks in the league? That's what this topic is about, no?

The OP didn't ask me to name the top 5 CB's in my opinion.  I answered.  If you disagree, I don't really care.

[Jhaze55]

In the famous words of Mike Ditka, "stats are for losers".  Any chimpanzee can simply quote stats.  Who would the number 1 CB be if one was to use only stats?  That's right, some dude no one's ever heard of.

Stats are by no means 100% of any argument, but they show a lot about players. Mike Ditka was wrong.

[Gabriel Alexander Morillo]

what stats?

The ones in the OP that show Davis as a top 5 cb, if not THE best Cb...

Learn to Read.

[Jhaze55]

The OP didn't ask me to name the top 5 CB's in my opinion.  I answered.  If you disagree, I don't really care.

I know. but the OP proves you wrong.

[Superman]

Well, I was only asking because this time, he was very obviously shown stats that would prove him otherwise. 

 

Guess he's doing kind of well with his trolling right now, considering the response. lol

 

He's been shown stats before. Called them "made up metrics" or some kind of crap like that. 

[OffensivelyPC]

In the famous words of Mike Ditka, "stats are for losers".  Any chimpanzee can simply quote stats.  Who would the number 1 CB be if one was to use only stats?  That's right, some dude no one's ever heard of.

The difference is that Ditka actually knows something about football.

[Dustin]

In the famous words of Mike Ditka, "stats are for losers". Any chimpanzee can simply quote stats. Who would the number 1 CB be if one was to use only stats? That's right, some dude no one's ever heard of.

In the famous words of Mike Ditka "thedude is a clown"

[thedude]

You guys sure love to toss insults.  That's the sign of a weak mind.

[thedude]

The ones in the OP that show Davis as a top 5 cb, if not THE best Cb...

Learn to Read.

Do you know what it means if someone says "______ is a top 5 player, if not the best"?  That person is making a case for player ______ as being the very best.

[thedude]

I know. but the OP proves you wrong.

The OP didn't prove anything. 

[Jhaze55]

The OP didn't prove anything. 

Lol, alright man. whatever your opinion is, even though it's completely misguided.

[Gabriel Alexander Morillo]

Do you know what it means if someone says "______ is a top 5 player, if not the best"?  That person is making a case for player ______ as being the very best.

What of it? The stats show it, and the game tape shows it. Why do you just ignore the OP's facts? Stop being ignorant... 

[thedude]

Stats mean different things depending on the position played.  Stats mean something when talking about a QB or running back.  they mean much less when talking about a DB.

[OffensivelyPC]

You guys sure love to toss insults.  That's the sign of a weak mind.

Oh the irony...

[thedude]

Explain this irony you speak of?  I'll bet you can't do it without tossing a few insults. 

[Gavin]

Stats mean different things depending on the position played.  Stats mean something when talking about a QB or running back.  they mean much less when talking about a DB.

Yeah...No they don't mean much less, They mean much different.....yards given up by a Corner is a stat.....catches allowed is a stat....catch percentage is a stat......Also rest assured coaches keep track of those kinds of stats

[thedude]

Yeah...No they don't mean much less, They mean much different.....yards given up by a Corner is a stat.....catches allowed is a stat....catch percentage is a stat......Also rest assured coaches keep track of those kinds of stats

I agree that they mean something different, but I disagree in that they do mean less than they do for some offensive positions.  A CB can give up some catches, but still dominate because he gave up zero impact plays and took away the deep passing game thus minimizing the receiver as a threat.

[Gabriel Alexander Morillo]

Stats mean different things depending on the position played. Stats mean something when talking about a QB or running back. they mean much less when talking about a DB.

You dense fool, do you know what a cornerbacks job is? To cover opposing receivers, help in run support, and prevent completions... guess what Vontae does better than anyone else this year at the cornerback spot? He's the best coverage cb in the NFL according to the stats, and if you'd actually watch him play instead of sit in your troll cave eating cheetos/drinking dew, you'd see these things for yourself.

[thedude]

You just can't get away from tossing insults, can you?

[thedude]

You dense fool, do you know what a cornerbacks job is? To cover opposing receivers, help in run support, and prevent completions... guess what Vontae does better than anyone else this year at the cornerback spot? He's the best coverage cb in the NFL according to the stats, and if you'd actually watch him play instead of sit in your troll cave eating cheetos/drinking dew, you'd see these things for yourself.

It's not to just prevent completions.  It's also to contain a receiver and minimize his impact. 

 

Did you watch the last Super Bowl?  A receiver set the super bowl record for catches, but had no impact upon the game.  he was completely contained.  His catches were inconsequential. 

 

If you are going to respond with an insult, keep it to yourself.

[Gabriel Alexander Morillo]

You just can't get away from tossing insults, can you?

Sorry, I just like telling the truth. You're a * for not putting together any argument or analysis in your favor. Hell you're a * for not responding to half the people that call you out on your crap posts, and the fact that you can't even argue against the points I just made in my last post. You're also blind if you don't know where the "quote" button is.

[Gabriel Alexander Morillo]

It's not to just prevent completions. It's also to contain a receiver and minimize his impact.

Did you watch the last Super Bowl? A receiver set the super bowl record for catches, but had no impact upon the game. he was completely contained. His catches were inconsequential.

If you are going to respond with an insult, keep it to yourself.

Guess what Vontae has done better than everyone else this year... all of what you just said.

[Gavin]

I agree that they mean something different, but I disagree in that they do mean less than they do for some offensive positions.  A CB can give up some catches, but still dominate because he gave up zero impact plays and took away the deep passing game thus minimizing the receiver as a threat.

Right which you know Vontae has done through 5 games extremely well if you knew what you were looking at, That's not to say you don't of course but its quite clear he has, Unless your argument is that he has only 2 picks and 7 passes defensed...Which in this case you wont get a lot because QB's have not thrown his way a lot, Toler has gotten most of the attention in that regard as has our Linebackers

[thedude]

Guess what Vontae has done better than everyone else this year... all of what you just said.

Here we go again with someone getting ready to claim he's the best CB in the NFL. 

[Gabriel Alexander Morillo]

Here we go again with someone getting ready to claim he's the best CB in the NFL.

Look at the stats and watch the games.

[thedude]

Guess what Vontae has done better than everyone else this year... all of what you just said.

Wait a minute.  I thought you folks have been telling me that he takes a receiver out of the game and opposing QB's aren't throwing his direction?  Make up your mind,  would ya?

[NewColtsFan]

I'm a troll because I say Davis is an average NFL CB.  Right.

 

You're not a troll,  but if you think Vonte Davis is an average NFL CB then you simply don't know football.

 

If you can't recognize above average talent,  then you don't know football.

 

He doesn't have to be the best or even top 5 to be above average.

 

He could be above average,  he could be good, or even very good.     All possible without being top-5.  

 

But no.    To you he's just average.    That either makes you someone who doesn't know football, or someone with an agenda.

 

Your choice.    But there's no argument -- at least none that you've made here -- that Vonte Davis is an average cornerback.

[thedude]

You're not a troll,  but if you think Vonte Davis is an average NFL CB then you simply don't know football.

 

If you can't recognize above average talent,  then you don't know football.

 

He doesn't have to be the best or even top 5 to be above average.

 

He could be above average,  he could be good, or even very good.     All possible without being top-5.  

 

But no.    To you he's just average.    That either makes you someone who doesn't know football, or someone with an agenda.

 

Your choice.    But there's no argument -- at least none that you've made here -- that Vonte Davis is an average cornerback.

I absolutely recognize his talent.  It's pretty much average.  The average NFL player is a fairly good player.  One doesn't make it that far by being a poor player.  However, when he gets to the upper echelon, the NFL,  he needs to be spectacular to be placed among the best of the best.

[BlueCollarColts]

Look at his career in an objective manner and honestly tell me he's an above average CB.

His career? Average years in Miami, top 20 corner his first year with us, top 15 last year, and easily top 5 this season, and arguably #1 so far. 

[BlueCollarColts]

I absolutely recognize his talent.  It's pretty much average.  The average NFL player is a fairly good player.  One doesn't make it that far by being a poor player.  However, when he gets to the upper echelon, the NFL,  he needs to be spectacular to be placed among the best of the best.

You didn't answer my question, THIS YEAR, can you agree Vontae has easily been top 5? 

[thedude]

His career? Average years in Miami, top 20 corner his first year with us, top 15 last year, and easily top 5 this season, and arguably #1 so far. 

That's the beauty of being a fan.  You can think whatever you want.

[thedude]

You didn't answer my question, THIS YEAR, can you agree Vontae has easily been top 5? 

No, I can't.  I can agree that so far he's played a bit better than he has in the past.

[NewColtsFan]

I absolutely recognize his talent.  It's pretty much average.  The average NFL player is a fairly good player.  One doesn't make it that far by being a poor player.  However, when he gets to the upper echelon, the NFL,  he needs to be spectacular to be placed among the best of the best.

 

Well,  there it is.

 

For you,  a player is either upper echelon, or he's average.     There appears to be nothing in between.

 

I think that's not just a bad argument,  I think it's a terrible argument.     But,  you're entitled to it.

 

Good luck with that.    And good luck with getting anyone here to take your views seriously anymore.

[Gavin]

That's the beauty of being a fan.  You can think whatever you want.

I still don't know what your criteria is for being a top 5 Corner or better

[BlueCollarColts]

No, I can't.  I can agree that so far he's played a bit better than he has in the past.

A bit better? Yep, he's definitely trolling. 

[Gabriel Alexander Morillo]

Wait a minute. I thought you folks have been telling me that he takes a receiver out of the game and opposing QB's aren't throwing his direction? Make up your mind, would ya?

He is containing a receiver, and minimizing their impact. By taking them out of the game completely.

[Nobody]

Can we ban thedude? Trolls really tire me out man.