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Ahmad Bradshaw activated from PUP list

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would be great to see bradshaw just take one hand off from luck and storm up the field to start our first drive show us what he can do against his former team then bring in ballard one play is all i ask

Would be awesome! See him come in, truck a few if his old teammates the stroll to the bench like no big deal, lol

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What difference does it make? He was already holding a roster spot and the team can still withhold him from contact drills. Questions for forum is why place someone on training camp PUP if they take up a roster spot anyway?

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What difference does it make? He was already holding a roster spot and the team can still withhold him from contact drills. Questions for forum is why place someone on training camp PUP if they take up a roster spot anyway?

They don't take up a roster spot if they are on PUP.  They don't count against your active roster when they are on PUP that's the whole point to the PUP list.

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They don't take up a roster spot if they are on PUP.  They don't count against your active roster when they are on PUP that's the whole point to the PUP list.

On the training camp PUP they do take up a roster spot. There is a different PUP they can be placed on when the season starts and they don't take up a roster spot for 6 weeks. There must be some other reason this gives a team or player an advantage.

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On the training camp PUP they do take up a roster spot. There is a different PUP they can be placed on when the season starts and they don't take up a roster spot for 6 weeks. There must be some other reason this gives a team or player an advantage.

Sorry I misunderstood what you were asking about it, the point to the camp PUP list is that you can't be placed on the regular season PUP list without being on the camp PUP list first.  IE say Allen was going to miss the first two weeks the Colts couldn't just move him to the PUP list to save a roster spot for the first two weeks of the regular season because he was never on the camp PUP list. 

 

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1717741-everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-nfls-pup-list-preseason-injuries

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On the training camp PUP they do take up a roster spot. There is a different PUP they can be placed on when the season starts and they don't take up a roster spot for 6 weeks. There must be some other reason this gives a team or player an advantage.

 

You have to put a player on PUP before camp if you want them to be on PUP at the beginning of the season.

 

The reason this matters is that it wasn't the team's choice to take Bradshaw off of PUP, and therefore isn't really an indication of whether he's ready to start practicing at full speed. I'm sure we'll find out in the next few days, now that he's ineligible for PUP. But when this news first came out, it was assumed that he was ready to get back on the field. Now, it doesn't quite look that way.

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You have to put a player on PUP before camp if you want them to be on PUP at the beginning of the season.

 

The reason this matters is that it wasn't the team's choice to take Bradshaw off of PUP, and therefore isn't really an indication of whether he's ready to start practicing at full speed. I'm sure we'll find out in the next few days, now that he's ineligible for PUP. But when this news first came out, it was assumed that he was ready to get back on the field. Now, it doesn't quite look that way.

As an example: last year Angerer began training hurt but he was not on a training camp pup. He counted against the roster. This year he is on the training camp pup and still counts against the roster. It does not seem to matter unless it is now a requirement of the NFL.

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As an example: last year Angerer began training hurt but he was not on a training camp pup. He counted against the roster. This year he is on the training camp pup and still counts against the roster. It does not seem to matter unless it is now a requirement of the NFL.

You can only put people on the PUP list at the start of camp because as soon as they see any kind of action in camp they must be activated and can not return to the PUP list.  When the season starts you have to decide if they are going to stay on it or not, you can't add someone to the PUP list at that point if they have seen any kind of action in camp.  Angerer did not start training camp hurt last year, he got hurt in the first pre-season game.  He was not placed on PUP because they couldn't do that.  This year he could be placed on PUP.  Once the season starts if they haven't taken him off the list by then they have to either take him off the list or leave him on it meaning he will miss at least the first six games of the season.  If he is left on the PUP list at the start of this season he will not count against the 53 man roster till he is activated.  So if you have a guy who is going to miss time it's to your advantage to put them on the PUP list in case you need them there for the start of the season. 

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As an example: last year Angerer began training hurt but he was not on a training camp pup. He counted against the roster. This year he is on the training camp pup and still counts against the roster. It does not seem to matter unless it is now a requirement of the NFL.

 

You're right. PUP players still count against the preseason roster. The NFL expanded the preseason rosters from 80 to 90 in 2012 to make it easier for teams to manage with players on PUP in the preseason, and for other reasons. Prior to that, a PUP player did NOT count against the 80 man preseason roster.

 

What I'm saying, though, is that there IS a reason for a team to place a player on PUP, and it has nothing to do with whether he counts against the preseason roster. It's not to free up a roster spot, because PUP players DO count against the 90 man preseason roster.

 

The reason a player is placed on PUP before camp is so that the team has the option to keep him on PUP for the beginning of the regular season. And in that case, the player on PUP does NOT count against the 53 man regular season roster (same as a player on IR).

 

If a player is not on PUP before camp, he does not qualify for PUP at the start of the regular season. So if Bradshaw weren't placed on PUP at the beginning of camp, we couldn't come back at the start of the regular season and place him on PUP in order to gain a roster spot. In this case, Bradshaw will count against the 53 man regular season roster, unless he gets released or placed on IR. Same for anyone else who didn't start camp on PUP, or who has been activated from PUP since the start of camp.

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You're right. PUP players still count against the preseason roster. The NFL expanded the preseason rosters from 80 to 90 in 2012 to make it easier for teams to manage with players on PUP in the preseason, and for other reasons. Prior to that, a PUP player did NOT count against the 80 man preseason roster.

 

What I'm saying, though, is that there IS a reason for a team to place a player on PUP, and it has nothing to do with whether he counts against the preseason roster. It's not to free up a roster spot, because PUP players DO count against the 90 man preseason roster.

 

The reason a player is placed on PUP before camp is so that the team has the option to keep him on PUP for the beginning of the regular season. And in that case, the player on PUP does NOT count against the 53 man regular season roster (same as a player on IR).

 

If a player is not on PUP before camp, he does not qualify for PUP at the start of the regular season. So if Bradshaw weren't placed on PUP at the beginning of camp, we couldn't come back at the start of the regular season and place him on PUP in order to gain a roster spot. In this case, Bradshaw will count against the 53 man regular season roster, unless he gets released or placed on IR. Same for anyone else who didn't start camp on PUP, or who has been activated from PUP since the start of camp.

Thanks. That's the answer I was looking for.

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You can only put people on the PUP list at the start of camp because as soon as they see any kind of action in camp they must be activated and can not return to the PUP list.  When the season starts you have to decide if they are going to stay on it or not, you can't add someone to the PUP list at that point if they have seen any kind of action in camp.  Angerer did not start training camp hurt last year, he got hurt in the first pre-season game.  He was not placed on PUP because they couldn't do that.  This year he could be placed on PUP.  Once the season starts if they haven't taken him off the list by then they have to either take him off the list or leave him on it meaning he will miss at least the first six games of the season.  If he is left on the PUP list at the start of this season he will not count against the 53 man roster till he is activated.  So if you have a guy who is going to miss time it's to your advantage to put them on the PUP list in case you need them there for the start of the season. 

Thanks. I did not know that if a person did not start on pup that they could not be added to it at the start of the season.

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Soo, should I jump out my seat now? This means he's at practice this week right??

 

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Lets hope. I still don't think we will see him at all this pre season.

 

 

He doesn't need much playing time to get ready if any at all.. I feel confident with him just getting reps in practice.. But there's nothing better than a little game action to get ready for the season.

 

 

Bradshaw began participating in Colts walkthroughs one week ago. He has made it clear that he doesn't need preseason action to be ready for Week 1, so we can expect the Colts to play it cautiously the rest of the month.

 

HOWEVER  activation was NFL forced due to rule violation , he took handoffs Aug 4, Colts had Called them mental reps and not practice  as said in Rotoworld link in OP

 

UPDATE: The NFL forced the Colts to activate Bradshaw from the PUP list after he took handoffs during an Aug. 4 practice, NFL.com's Ian Rapoport reported, per a source informed of the situation. After investigating Bradshaw's participation, the league deemed it a violation of PUP rules.

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000229274/article/ahmad-bradshaw-activated-by-indianapolis-colts

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You're right. PUP players still count against the preseason roster. The NFL expanded the preseason rosters from 80 to 90 in 2012 to make it easier for teams to manage with players on PUP in the preseason, and for other reasons. Prior to that, a PUP player did NOT count against the 80 man preseason roster.

 

What I'm saying, though, is that there IS a reason for a team to place a player on PUP, and it has nothing to do with whether he counts against the preseason roster. It's not to free up a roster spot, because PUP players DO count against the 90 man preseason roster.

 

The reason a player is placed on PUP before camp is so that the team has the option to keep him on PUP for the beginning of the regular season. And in that case, the player on PUP does NOT count against the 53 man regular season roster (same as a player on IR).

 

If a player is not on PUP before camp, he does not qualify for PUP at the start of the regular season. So if Bradshaw weren't placed on PUP at the beginning of camp, we couldn't come back at the start of the regular season and place him on PUP in order to gain a roster spot. In this case, Bradshaw will count against the 53 man regular season roster, unless he gets released or placed on IR. Same for anyone else who didn't start camp on PUP, or who has been activated from PUP since the start of camp.

What?? Just kidding- It was a great explanation. 

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