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Star Lotulelei. No offense, but I can't believe you guys would take a guard....me thinks you're blinded by need.

LIKE....Seems to be a severe epidemic around here...They all have PTSD from seeing Luck's head darn near taken off so many times..Understandable, but to take a Guard if you had the #1 pick is interesting logic. 

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Star Lotulelei. No offense, but I can't believe you guys would take a guard....me thinks you're blinded by need.

 

 

 

It boils down to, this not being a draft where any one player is head and shoulders above another. There are problems with any player you can point out in this draft, whether it be problems in their game or injury concerns and sometimes both. Lotuleilei is a good player, but he doesn't bring more to the team IMO than Warmack would. Warmack fixes the biggest deficiency on the team. So yes, need does factor into my thinking, but Lotuleilei isn't such a rare talent that I would just have to have him. He's a little short for a true 3-4 DE  at only 6'2". 

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Chance is the best player in this draft, who just happens to play at our top need (arguably).

He's still a guard. Trent Richardson may have been a top 10 player last year, but I wouldn't have even thought about taking him that high.

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It boils down to, this not being a draft where any one player is head and shoulders above another. There are problems with any player you can point out in this draft, whether it be problems in their game or injury concerns and sometimes both. Lotuleilei is a good player, but he doesn't bring more to the team IMO than Warmack would. Warmack fixes the biggest deficiency on the team. So yes, need does factor into my thinking, but Lotuleilei isn't such a rare talent that I would just have to have him. He's a little short for a true 3-4 DE  at only 6'2".

I didn't notice he only measured in at 6'2. Still, I would take a number of players before a guard.

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Nothing impacts offensive effectiveness like pass rush.  Particularly interior pass rush.  I'm no scout but it appears that there are several rare pass rushing DT's in this draft. I don't know which one is the best but the experts seem to think it is Floyd, Richardson, S. Williams or D. Jones.  D. Jones isn't big bodied enough to be overly rare, but the other 3 are.  Give me one of them.  Explosive big bodies are possibly the most rare skill set in the league. 

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It boils down to, this not being a draft where any one player is head and shoulders above another. There are problems with any player you can point out in this draft, whether it be problems in their game or injury concerns and sometimes both. Lotuleilei is a good player, but he doesn't bring more to the team IMO than Warmack would. Warmack fixes the biggest deficiency on the team. So yes, need does factor into my thinking, but Lotuleilei isn't such a rare talent that I would just have to have him. He's a little short for a true 3-4 DE  at only 6'2". 

Except we have had Nevis out at DE at times, I think it comes down to strength and containment more then actual inches, Francois is only at inch taller at 6'3"

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I'm not sold on Jordan. A lot of raw tools, but playing for a team that was used to blowing out its opponents should've led to him having inflated sack numbers, instead of having 12.5 combined over the last 2 years. He's got farther to go than people expect in both the run and the pass.

 

That said, I would have the utmost confidence in Pagano to develop whatever defender we draft, Jordan included. 

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Chance is the best player in this draft, who just happens to play at our top need (arguably). 

 

 

I wholeheartedly disagree. He's a great fit for us, but a guard who isn't a great pass blocker isn't the best player in the draft regardless of his run blocking ability. 

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Star Lotulelei. No offense, but I can't believe you guys would take a guard....me thinks you're blinded by need.

My blind eyes have watched our rushing attack suck to smelly rotten death for 6 straight seasons.....I'd take Warmack.

 

I do admit....a DL monster would be high on the list though....our run defense wasn't much better.

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I wholeheartedly disagree. He's a great fit for us, but a guard who isn't a great pass blocker isn't the best player in the draft regardless of his run blocking ability.

Have you mixed up Warmack and Fluker? Just because Warmack is an elite run blocker it doesn't mean he isn't great in pass pro (he is).
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CBS has him listed as 6'3" but I guess the official league site is a better source.

they used to have him listed at 6'4" everywhere before the combine. I guess he shrunk after the season was over. They had him listed at 325 lbs before too, but at the combine he only weighed in at 311.

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they used to have him listed at 6'4" everywhere before the combine. I guess he shrunk after the season was over. They had him listed at 325 lbs before too, but at the combine he only weighed in at 311.

 

Looks like some are rounding up and some are rounding down:

 

http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/nfl/8431/star-lotulelei (all the way at the bottom)

Utah DT Star Lotulelei measured 6-foot-2 1/2 and 311 pounds at Saturday's NFL Combine weigh-in.

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Have you mixed up Warmack and Fluker? Just because Warmack is an elite run blocker it doesn't mean he isn't great in pass pro (he is).

 

By normal standards, he's fine- but he did give up 3.5 sacks last year, and that's not a great number for a guard once we get into nit-picking territory, and I think Chance's hype has reached the point to where that's justified. Any time a prospect starts getting top 5 and up hype, the microscope has to be there.

 

3.5 sacks in a 12 game season is just OK for a big-time guard prospect even if you account for the SEC. Zeitler started 4 years in the Big Ten and didn't give up a sack in college. DeCastro gave up 1. That's over the course of 40+ starts each against big time college competition, and if we're talking "best guard prospect in years and potential top 5 pick, top overall player", that is something that shouldn't be ignored.

 

I know I've been bearish on Warmack on my last couple of posts here, but let me stress that I am a fan of him and he would fit our scheme perfectly. I just think he's more of a second half of the first round kind of prospect whose hype has gotten ahead of him. 

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By normal standards, he's fine- but he did give up 3.5 sacks last year, and that's not a great number for a guard once we get into nit-picking territory, and I think Chance's hype has reached the point to where that's justified. Any time a prospect starts getting top 5 and up hype, the microscope has to be there.

 

3.5 sacks in a 12 game season is just OK for a big-time guard prospect even if you account for the SEC. Zeitler started 4 years in the Big Ten and didn't give up a sack in college. DeCastro gave up 1. That's over the course of 40+ starts each against big time college competition, and if we're talking "best guard prospect in years and potential top 5 pick, top overall player", that is something that shouldn't be ignored.

 

I know I've been bearish on Warmack on my last couple of posts here, but let me stress that I am a fan of him and he would fit our scheme perfectly. I just think he's more of a second half of the first round kind of prospect whose hype has gotten ahead of him. 

 

 

 

Like I said in an earlier post, the issue is that there are a lot of good players in this draft, but IMO I wouldn't think at this point any could be considered great players. Some will turn out to be great players, but those players have just as good a chance to be drafted in the 3rd or 4th rd. as they one's picked in the 1st rd..

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Like I said in an earlier post, the issue is that there are a lot of good players in this draft, but IMO I wouldn't think at this point any could be considered great players. Some will turn out to be great players, but those players have just as good a chance to be drafted in the 3rd or 4th rd. as they one's picked in the 1st rd..

 

I agree with you. This is really the kind of draft that shows what your GM and scouting department is, or isn't, made of. I'm on board with what Grigson's done so he's got the benefit of the doubt from me, but this really is one of those years where I'm expecting at least one headscratcher from our first 3 picks because someone who's not on the fans radar at all could be just as well regarded as the names we're familiar with. 

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