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By 2006Coltsbestever · Posted
Gardner had his ups and downs but like you said with him in there we were 7-6 and was a play or 2 away of winning the division. 7-6 for a guy that is considered just a great backup and not a legit starter is respectable. I would take that all day. AR being 2-2 in his starts is promising leading into 2024. When I watched Gardner and AR play last season, to me I think defenses feared AR more because of his running ability and arm strength. -
I wouldn't put it that way. I'd say in spite of having significant limitations at QB. Minshew provides some stability and a decent floor, but even then, his statistical output was meager, and there are obvious constraints on the offense when he's your starter. And with him as the starter, we went 7-6, which is admirable for a backup, but obviously puts a cap on your team's ability to compete. As you and others have mentioned, there was some truly dreadful QBing last season. (Side note, but the Colts greatly benefited from facing a lot of those struggling QBs. I've mentioned this in discussions about the defensive performance as well.) I think it's a good thing we had Minshew, otherwise things could have been much worse. He deserves some credit for playing as well as he did, especially when you see how bad it can be with other backups; we had some of that in 2022, and there was plenty of it around the league in 2023. But I also think that when we're objective about Minshew's performance and ability, it's obvious that having him as your starter for 13 games isn't a good thing. -
By 2006Coltsbestever · Posted
I would not be shocked if Gardner becomes the starter for the Raiders. Maybe to start the season, but by week 4 if the Raiders are like 1-3. Their QB room is MEH. -
I don't disagree. Minshew has clear limitations. He's a fringe starter/backup for a reason. But he signed for very little to help AR transition to the NFL and, if needed, come in and execute Steichen's offense and keep them in games. Most people loved the signing at the time as I recall. And by all accounts, he far exceeded expectations, especially on the field. He had to play the majority of 15 games (started 13)...and they won 9 of those games. He did well enough to earn a 2/$25M deal this offseason to go fill that role elsewhere. I guess, relative to what happened last year at the QB position in the NFL (including the Colts), it was actually pretty great to have Minshew. That's why I never really understood the narrative about how they were close to making the playoffs in spite of Minshew. -
By 2006Coltsbestever · Posted
@tweezy32, fair enough but anyone that is roughly 50 years old would consider all these QBs Great and the others Very Good. Brian Sipe won MVP in 1980, he was very good as well. I guess my point to all of this is, there have been a lot of great or very good QBs that never won a SB as a starter. I just listed 20. Lamar Jackson as well = very good. I forgot him of all people
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