Popular Post Solid84 Posted November 13, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted November 13, 2023 I'm not going to be posting any grades save maybe just a few on stand-out players. I'll try to rank grades as follows: Elite 90+ Great 80-89 Good 70-79 Above Average 65-69 Average 56-64 Below Average 50-55 Bad <50 For reference the baseline grade is 60.0 - the average. To make it easier for me I've made some PFF-grade intervals for each of the above categories (see above). Fewer grades under average because once you get into that area under "Below average" there's not much point in grading it - it's just not good enough. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Stand-out performances week 10: These are premium grades. I'll post links to where they can be found. If you find these PFF grades as interesting as me I highly recommend you subscribe. Julian Blackmon - Overall 82.5 - 69 total snaps (35 Rdef, 34 Cov) - No penalties. (Defense) -- Run defense - 58.7 -- Tackling - 81.6 - 1 missed tackle, 6 Tackles, 1 Assist, 3 Stops. -- Coverage - 82.3 - Gave up 1/4 targets for 9 yards (Y/REC 9.0), 1 INT, 1 Pass breakup. Great game by Blackmon! Josh Downs - Overall 82.3 - 14 (13 Rec, 1 Rblk) - No penalties. (Receiving) -- Receiving - 79.1 - Caught 2/3 targets for 40 yards, ADOT 19.3, YAC/REC 5.0, No missed tackles forced. -- Drops - 68.3 -- Fumbles - 64.0 -- Run blocking - 60.0 Limited snaps, but he still makes a difference! Bernhard Raimann - Overall 82.2 - 57 total snaps (26 Rblk, 31 Pblk) - No penalties. (Blocking) -- Pass blocking - 86.5 - 1 Hurry. -- Run blocking - 75.7 As usual! Mr. reliable! Braden Smith - Overall 80.8 - 56 total snaps (25 Rblk, 31 Pblk) - No penalties. (Blocking) -- Pass blocking - 76.8 - 1 Hurry. -- Run blocking - 80.1 Smith back with a great performance! Rodney Thomas - Overall 80.7 - 69 total snaps (35 Rdef, 1 Prsh, 33 Cov) - No penalties. (Defense) -- Run defense - 36.1 -- Tackling - 29.7 - 1 missed tackle, 2 Tackles. -- Passrush - 59.4 - No Sacks, Hits or Hurries. -- Coverage - 89.4 - Gave up 0/0 targets, 1 INT. Grade carried entirely by his INT. And now, the biggest surprise of all --- drumroll please --- Gardner Minshew - Overall 83.9 - 57 total snaps - No penalties. (Passing) -- Passing - 83.6 - Made 18/28 attempts (64.3% - Adj% 75.0) for 194 yards, YPA 6.9, 1 INT, Big Time Throws 2, No turnover worthy plays, 2 batted passes, 9 dropbacks under pressure (32.14%), Time to throw 3.42. -- Rushing - 57.1 -- Fumble - 78.1 I... what? I mean... what? How? Why? Blackmon has had a good season. Settled in nicely at SS. Rodney Thomas' best performances coincide with his INTs. Without them he's below average to bad. Even with few snaps Downs makes a difference! We got two solid tackles on the roster! I don't know why Minshew's here. Seriously, I'm calling this a mistake by PFF... -------------------------------------------------------------------- Comments on grades for Offense, Defense and ST, week 10 Seeing as the cats out of the bag on week 1-3 grades (my bad), I'll keep them here and make comments on the latest game. Offense - (week3/week2/week 1) (55.2/74.7/53.1) - Overall Offense Week 10 - Good - Bahahaha, what?! (49.3/80.6/49.2) - Passing Week 10 - Great - I want whatever the PFF crew were smoking when they came up with this. (65.3/70.9/68.3) - Pass blocking Week 10 - Good (near Great) - 2nd best performance all season from our big guys up front. (62.3/63.2/57.1) - Reciever routes Week 10 - Above Average - Solid performance from almost everyone. (61.4/67.4/38.8) - Run game Week 10 - Average. The Patriots played the run and it showed. (45.4/82.9/62.3) - Run blocking Week 10 - Good - One of our better run blocking performances. 264 total yards on 57 snaps on offense and the team somehow got a Good grade... how? Defense - (week3/week2/week 1) (57.7/62.3/78.9) - Overall Defense Week 10 - Average - Again, mainly due to excellent coverage this weak. (43.1/74.4/83.4) - Run defense Week 10 - Bad - Worst Run defense of the season by a good margine. (39.0/51.8/66.4) - Tackling Week 10 - Below Average - The teams' achilles heel. (67.4/72.5/73.3) - Passrush Week 10 - Above Average - Another week of solid performance from our front 4 on the Dline. (62.1/50.0/66.2) - Coverage Week 10 - Great - Jones struggled for the Patriots and Blackmon and Thomas had INTs. Best defensive performance of the year! Special Teams - (week3/week2/week 1) (54.7/69.8/78.3) - Special Teams Week 10 - Below Average - Another poor week from the ST unit. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Comments on grades for Players, week 10 Offense QB - Comments on overall performance and Passing and Running Minshew - See stand-out performances for grades. Oline - Comments on overall performance and Run blocking, Pass blocking and penalties. Raimann - See stand-out performances for grades. Nelson - Above Average (near Good) - Nelson's best game in 5 weeks. Average Run blocking. Great Pass blocking - Clean performance. No penalties. 57 total snaps (31 Pblk, 26 Rblk). Kelly - Above Average - Above Average Run blocking. Below Average Pass blocking - Clean performance, but still his worst performance of the season. No penalties. 34 total snaps (19 Pblk, 15 Rblk). French - Average - Average Run blocking. Good (near Great) Pass blocking - Clean performance, best Pass blocking of the season for French. 1 penalty. 23 total snaps (12 Pblk, 11 Rblk). Fries - Good - Good Run blocking. Average Pass blocking - Gave up 1 Hit. 1 penalty. 56 total snaps (31 Pblk, 25 Rblk). Smith - See stand-out performances for grades. Freeland - Limited snaps (1) WR - Comments on overall performance and Receiver routes, Hands and penalties. Hands comments are based on grades for catchable throws caught and ball security. Downs - See stand-out performances for grades. McKenzie - Good - Above Average Receiving, Good Hands - 4/4 targets caught for 31 yards, ADOT 4.5, YAC/REC 3.3, 1/1 contested targets caught, No missed tackles forced. Average Run Blocking. No penalties. 26 total snaps (15 Rec, 11 Rblk). Pierce - Average - Average Receiving- 1/1 targets caught for 21 yards. ADOT 21. YAC/REC 0.0, 1/1 contested targets caught, No missed tackles forced. Good Run blocking. No penalties. 55 total snaps (31 Rec, 24 Rblk). Pittman - Good - Good Receiving, Good Hands - 8/11 targets caught for 84 yards, ADOT 9.3, YAC/REC 2.5. 0/1 contested targets caught. No missed tackles forced. Below Average Run blocking. 1 penalty. 54 total snaps (29 Rec, 25 Rblk). Winfree - Limited snaps (1) TE - Comments on overall performance and Receiver routes, Hands, Blocking and penalties. Hands comments are based on grades for catchable throws caught and ball security. Cox - Below Average - Bad Receving- 0/1 targets caught, ADOT 14.0. Average Run blocking. Good Pass blocking - Clean performance. No penalties. 34 total snaps (13 Rec, 1 Pblk, 20 Rblk). Ogletree - Good - Great Receiving, Above Average Hands - 1/1 targets caught for 19 yards, ADOT 19.0, YAC/REC 2.0, 0 contested targets, No missed tackles forced. Bad Run blocking. Above Average Pass blocking - Clean performance. No penalties. 23 total snaps (9 Rec, 1 Pblk, 13 Rblk). Granson - Bad - Bad Receiving, Bad Hands - 1/1 targets caught for 5 yards, ADOT 4.0, YAC/REC 1.0, 0 contrested catches, No missed tackles forced. Bad Run blocking. Good Pass blocking - Clean performance. No penalties. 32 total snaps (16 Rec, 1 Pblk, 15 Rblk). Mallory - Average - Average Receiving, Average Hands - 1/2 targets caught for 7 yards, ADOT 3.0, YAC/REC 8.0, 0 contrested catches, No missed tackles forced. Average Run blocking. No penalties. 9 total snaps (5 Rec, 4 Rblk). RB - Comments on overall performance and Run grades, Receiving and Hands. Hands comments are based on grades for catchable throws caught and ball security. Moss - Below Average. Average Running, Average Hands - 1 carries for 2 yards, No missed tackles forced. Average Receiving - 0 targets. Average Run blocking. Good Pass blocking - Clean performance. No penalties. 9 total snaps (3 Rec, 2 Pblk, 1 Run, 3 Rblk). Taylor - Below Average. Average Running, Good Hands - 23 carries for 69 yards, 1 TD, 33 yards after contact (YCO/A 1.43), 2 missed tackles forced. Below Average Receiving, Good Hands - 1/1 targets caught for 6 yards, ADOT 1.0, YAC/REC 5.0, 0 contested targets, 1 missed tackles forced. Average Run blocking. Bad Pass blocking - Gave up 1 Hurry. No penalties. 50 total snaps (23 Rev, 3 Pblk, 23 Run, 1 Rblk). I don't get the Minshew grade, at all. Good performance from the Oline with only Raimann and Smith as stand outs. Downs, Pittman and McKenzie had good games. Ogletree had a good game as the only TE. JT and Moss didn't get it going, but, the Patriots focussed on the run game and it showed. Defense DI - Comments on overall performance and Run defense, Tackling, Passrush, Coverage and penalties. Buckner - Above Average - Bad Run defense. Good Tackling - 5 Tackles, 2 Assists, No missed tackles, 4 Stops. Great Passrush - 1 Sack, 2 Hits and 3 Hurries. No penalties. 47 total snaps (24 Rdef, 23 Prsh). Bryan - Bad - Bad Run defense. Above Average Tackling - 2 Tackles, 1 Stop. Average Passrush - 1 Hurry. No penalties. 22 total snaps (14 Rdef, 8 Prsh). Johnson - Bad - Bad Run defense. Above Average Tackling - 2 Tackles, No missed tackles, 1 Stop. Above Average Passrush - No Sacks, Hits or Hurries. No penalties. 33 total snaps (21 Rdef, 12 Prsh). Adebawore - Bad - Bad Run defense. Bad Tackling - 1 Tackle, 2 missed tackles, No Stop. Average Passrush - 1 Hit. No penalties. 17 total snaps (9 Rdef, 8 Prsh). ED - Comments on overall performance and Run defense, Tackling, Passrush, Coverage and penalties. Martin - Average - Bad Run defense. Above Average Tackling - 1 Assist, No missed tackle, No Stops. Above Average Passrush - 1 Hurries. No penalties. 16 total snaps (10 Rdef, 6 Prsh). Paye - Average - Above Average Run defense. Good Tackling - 1 Tackle, 1 Assist, No missed tackle, 2 Stops. Average Passrush - 1 Sack, 1 Hurry. No penalty. 37 total snaps (17 Rdef, 20 Prsh). Ebukam - Above Average - Good Run defense. Bad Tackling - 3 Tackles, 1 missed tackle, 3 Stops. Below Average Passrush - 3 Hurries. No penalties. 37 total snaps (18 Rdef, 19 Prsh). Lewis - Average - Bad Run defense. Good Tackling - 1 Tackle, No missed tackles, 1 Stop. Good Passrush - 1 Sack, 1 Hit and 1 Hurry. No penalties. 22 total snaps (12 Rdef, 10 Prsh). Odeyingbo - Above Average. Bad Run defense. Good Tackling - 1 Tackle, No missed tackles, 4 Stops. Good Passrush - 3 Sacks. No penalties. 40 total snaps (16 Rdef, 24 Prsh). Land - Limited snaps (8). LB - Comments on overall performance and Run defense, Tackling, Passrush, Coverage and penalties. Speed - Good - Great Run defense. Good Tackling - 3 Tackles, No missed tackle, 1 Stop. Average Passrush - No Sacks, Hits or Hurries. Above Average Coverage - Gave up 1/1 targets for 11 yards (Y/REC 11.0), No Pass breakups. No penalties. 33 total snaps (13 Rdef, Prsh, 19 Cov). Leonard - Bad - Bad Run defense. Bad Tackling - 4 Tackles, 4 Assists, 2 missed tackles, No Stops. No Passrush snaps. Bad Coverage - Gave up 2/2 targets for 26 yards (Y/REC 13.0), No Pass breakups. No penalties. 48 total snaps (31 Rdef, 17 Cov). Franklin - Above Average - Bad Run defense. Above Average Tackling - 13 Tackles, 2 Assists, 1 missed tackle, 3 Stops. No Passrush snaps. Elite Coverage - Gave up 5/7 targets for 40 yards (Y/REC 8.0), No Pass breakups. 1 penalty. 69 total snaps (35 Rdef, 34 Cov). CB - Comments on overall performance and Run defense, Tackling, Passrush, Coverage and penalties. Moore - Bad - Below Average Run defense. Bad Tackling - 4 Tackles, 1 Assist, 1 missed tackle, 1 Stop. Below Average Passrush - No Sacks, Hits or Hurries. Below Average Coverage - Gave up 5/7 targets for 71 yards (Y/REC 14.2), No Pass breakups. No penalties. 69 total snaps (35 Rdef, 3 Prsh, 31 Cov). Jones - Average - Above Average Run defense. Good Tackling - 4 Tackles, No missed tackles, No Stops. No Passrush snaps. Average Coverage - Gave up 3/3 targets for 31 yards (Y/REC 10.3), No Pass breakups. No penalties. 69 total snaps (35 Rdef, 34 Cov). Baker - Good - Above Average Run defense. Good Tackling - 3 Tackles, No missed tackle, No Stops. No Passrush snaps. Good Coverage - Gave up 1/1 targets for 7 yards, No Pass breakups. No penalties. 53 total snaps (22 Rdef, 31 Cov). S - Comments on overall performance and Run defense, Tackling, Passrush, Coverage and penalties. See stand-out performances for grades. See stand-out performances for grades. Cross - Limited snaps (1) All of our DIs had trouble with the run game. Buckner did bring the heat in the passing game though. Decent game by the DEs but some questionable run defense from Martin, Lewis and Dayo. Dayo did have 3 sacks! Leonard had the worst game of his career, which is unfortunate after he saif he wanted more playing time. It's worth noting this is his worst game of the season BY FAR. Speed had a good - his 3rd best of the season. Franklin had his 2nd best game of the season mainly due to elite coverage. Baker had the best game of our CBs. Blackmon and Thomas both had INTs - the INT carried Thomas grades. What's is happening? What a weird game grades-wise. Gardner graded out great. Baker was our best CB and Franklin was elite in coverage. 8 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w87r Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 PFF cumulative grades through week 10: Team PFF scores:(positional rank) Season grades are laid out as followed (week 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) **Last grade listed in current season rank** Top 10 Improvement from prior week Decline from prior week Bottom 10 Offense: QB: Minshew - 44.3(NR), 71.6(16/33), 58.4(29/33), 58.4(29/34), 62.9(27/33), 52.3(30/33), 48.3(34/35), 50.9(34/36), 51(33/36), 56.6(32/38) Ehlinger - *(inactive first 10 games) Richardson - 49.3(27/32), 55.3(29/33), 55.3(30/33), 53.9(31/34), 52.2(31/33), 52.2(34/38) *IR RB: Taylor - *PUP(first 4 games), 46.7(NR), 64(NR), 66.8(NR), 65.1(37/53), 69.3(32/58), 66.2(42/59) Moss - (NA), 63.6(30/51), 62.3(33/54), 62.1(35/51), 66.6(29/53), 66.6(31/55), 65.9(34/50), 68.1(31/53), 68.2(34/58), 67.7(39/59) Sermon - (NA), (NA), 49(NR), 43.6(NR), 43.9(NR), 39.3(NR), 39.3(NR), 39.3(NR), 39.1(NR), 39.0(NR) Funk - 63.5(NR), *(inactive weeks 2-10) Hull - 65.7(NR) * IR WR: Pittman - 69.4(30/110), 63.1(65/113), 67.7(48/111), 67(52/113), 67.2(50/110), 67.7(50/113), 69.4(46/114), 68.6(53/120), 69.4(48/118), 71.5(41/118) Pierce - 49.7(100/110), 51.3(102/113), 54.5(96/111), 56(90/113), 56(91/110), 55.4(95/113), 58(83/114), 57.4(94/120), 55.7(101/118), 55.9(99/118) Downs - 55.8(78/110), 64.7(57/113), 65.5(57/111), 65.3(60/113), 71.5(36/110), 68.7(48/113), 72.8(36/114), 74.3(34/120), 73.9(37/118), 75.5(34/118) McKenzie - 59.1(NR), 67.6(NR), 63.6(NR), 52.3(NR), 49.8(NR), 65.7(NR), 63.7(NR), 62.5(NR), 62.5(NR), 66(NR) Winfree - 54.1(NR), *(inactive week 2-7), 52.9(NR), 52.6(NR), 52.8(NR) TE: Cox - 53.3(40/63), 58(34/65), 54.6(43/69), 66.1(19/71), 68.2(16/68), 66.8(18/68), 65.6(21/69), 66.5(22/70), 64.6(25/68), 61.9(31/75) Ogletree - 68.2(NR), 68.2(NR), 68.4(NR), 81.4(2/71), 85.1(1/71), 74.7(5/68), 74.8(5/69), 73.4(7/70), 74.4(5/68), 74.4(9/75) Granson - 61.6(27/63), 56.6(39/65), 51.1(51/69), 54.8(41/71), 56.5(39/68), 57.2(41/68), 57.2(40/69), 57.2(41/70), 55.5(45/68), 52.4(53/75) Mallory - (NA), 88.3(NR), 88.3(NR), 88.3(NR), 88.3(NR), 72.2(NR), 65.6(NR), 62.5(NR), 62.5(NR), 61.7(NR) Woods - * IR(first 10 games) OT: Raimann - 71.5(13/65), 76.9(11/71), 78.3(10/67), 78.3(11/71), 78.3(9/72), 79.3(10/74), 75.7(14/74), 78.6(10/75), 80.3(9/76), 82.8(5/79) Smith - 70.4(16/65), 74.9(15/71), 62.9(35/67), 70.6(23/71), 75.9(16/76), *(inactive week 6-9), 79.2(10/79) Freeland - (NA), (NA), (NA), 44.6(NR), 48.4(64/72), 59.5(50/74), 53.8(58/74), 52.7(62/75), 53.2(64/76), 53.2(62/79) OG: Nelson - 70.9(14/65), 65(22/71), 60.4(35/76), 65.9(17/76), 68.1(17/78), 67.5(16/79), 67.5(17/80), 67.4(22/80), 62.4(35/81), 63.6(31/82) Fries - 55.4(42/65), 74.4(6/71), 65.5(22/76), 62.4(27/76), 65.4(22/78), 63.8(27/79), 65.9(22/80), 65.6(26/80), 61.8(37/81), 64.1(29/82) Sills - 58.6(NR), 58.6(NR), 49.4(NR), *(inactive week 4-9), 49.7(NR) Hambright - *(inactive first 8 games), 60(NR), 60(NR) OC: Kelly - 70.6(8/32), 82.8(1/33), 82.8(1/35), 82.8(1/36), 86(1/37), 86.4(1/39), 83.5(1/38), 83.5(1/38), 81.3(3/38), 81.2(2/38) French - (NA), 46.6(NR), 43.3(35/35), 41.1(37/38), *(inactive week 5-9), 43.4(37/38) Defense: DE: Paye - 74.1(27/106), 75.8(29/107), 69.8(43/112), 65.9(53/111), 65.9(51/114), 62.5(66/111), 63.2(63/109), 66.8(52/113), 67.4(51/107), 67.6(52/106) Ekubam - 54.6(82/106), 63.9(59/107), 74.1(36/112), 77.3(21/111), 78.4(22/114), 78.4(24/111), 78.5(23/109), 78.9(22/113), 79(21/107), 78.6(19/106) Dayo - 58.3(72/106), 48(97/107), 51.3(96/112), 66.5(50/111), 59.6(79/114), 55.2(89/111), 55.2(90/109), 48.4(103/113), 49.2(99/107), 51.5(94/106) Lewis - 55.6(79/106), 55(88/107), 58.7(81/112), 56.6(85/111), 63(62/114), 67.6(46/111), 72.8(32/109), 70.1(44/113), 70.6(42/107), 70.1(45/106) Martin - 65.8(NR), 80.4(NR), 71.4(NR), 68.8(NR), 74.3(NR), 68.6(NR), 67.5(NR), 61.7(NR), 60(NR), 58.3(NR) Land - *(inactive week 1-4), 59(NR), *(inactive week 6-8), 66.9(NR), 64(NR) DT: Buckner - 92.5(1/127), 88.2(6/124), 74.9(27/128), 70.9(33/129), 74.1(22/124), 71.2(25/123), 67.4(37/122), 72.6(20/125), 75(17/126), 74.8(17/124) Stewart - 90.2(3/127), 87.8(8/124), 85.5(9/128), 79.6(11/129), 73.9(23/124), 75.2(15/124) *(susp week 7-13) Bryan - 63.1(63/127), 65.3(46/124), 68.3(40/128), 51.6(95/129), 51.3(89/124), 56(78/123), 54.1(84/122), 58.1(69/125), 54.8(84/126), 52.4(92/124) Johnson - 61.0(74/127), 62.7(54/124), 49.6(101/128), 42(115/129), 38.4(118/124), 45(111/123), 50.8(93/122), 50.8(93/125), 49.9(100/127), 40.5(120/124) Adebawore - (NA), (NA), (NA), 47.8(NR), 47.8(NR), 47.8(NR), 42.3(NR), 36(NR), 42.8(NR), 29.3(NR) McTelvin - *(inactive week 1-7), 50.1(NR), *(inactive week 9-10) LB: Leonard - 66.3(37/73), 72.4(27/79), 58.6(61/77), 53(67/78), 53(65/81), 58(60/83), 61.3(55/82), 63.9(53/80), 66.4(46/80), 60.3(62/81) Franklin - 92.2(2/73), 79.9(13/79), 68.7(31/77), 68.7(27/78), 62.9(50/81), 62.2(54/83), 59.6(60/82), 59.6(60/80), 59.6(63/80), 61.2(61/81) Speed - 94.8(1/73), 82.3(8/79), 61.4(52/77), 57.6(57/78), 52.5(69/81), 58.1(64/83), 59.4(61/82), 58.7(65/80), 62.4(55/80), 65.9(49/81) Olubi - (NA), (NA), (NA), 82(NR), 82(NR), 82(NR), 82(NR), 82.8(NR), 53.4(NR), 53.4(NR) Stuart - (NA), 60(NR), 56.7(NR), 56.7(NR), 30.1(NR), *(inactive week 6-10) CB: Brents - (NA), (NA), 87.6(NR), 71.1(29/109), 67.7(42/109), 66.4(48/112), 67(42/112), *(inactive week 8-10) Moore - 57.3(62/92), 64.3(39/98), 69.2(33/105), 70.6(30/109), 69.4(30/109), 66.6(44/112), 68.8(30/115), 70.8(27/116), 80.7(10/113), 76.9(13/112) Jones - 60.0(NR), 60(NR), 60(NR), 63.5(NR), 66.5(NR), 63.1(NR), 59.2(73/115), 55.7(85/116), 66.1(47/113), 65.3(53/112) Baker - 44.8(87/92), 32.6(97/98), 32.6(104/105), 32.6(108/109), 32.6(108/109), 32.1(112/112), 30.1(115/115), 30.1(116/116), 43.2(109/113), 48.7(99/112) Brown - 78.3(NR), *(inactive week 2-7), 27.6(NR), *(inactive week 9-10) Flowers - 53.6(69/92), 59.6(60/98), 65.5(42/105), 66.4(45/109) * IR S: Blackmon - 53.6(64/79), 61.6(54/79) 61.7(54/85), 62.2(51/87), 72.1(23/86), 68.1(36/86), 77(11/84), 72.4(22/87), 74.3(18/87), 77.6(8/86) Thomas - 43.8(72/79), 50.8(72/79), 44.5(81/85), 48.9(79/87), 47.7(77/86), 49.8(79/86), 57.2(68/84), 55.1(74/87), 54.8(76/87), 59.5(60/86) Cross - (NA), 60.5(NR), 61.1(NR), 61.4(NR), 61.4(NR), 61.4(NR), 60.7(NR), 66.1(NR), 66.2(NR), 66.4(NR) Denbow - *(inactive week 1-7), 46.3(NR), *(inactive week 9-10) K: Gay - 63.5(NR), 68.2(NR), 90.4(NR), 83.3(NR), 83.9(NR), 88.3(NR), 87.9(NR), 88.3(NR), 90.5(NR), 89.5(NR) P: Sanchez - 60.9(19/29), 64.9(14/29), 66(18/32), 62.2(22/32), 61.9(22/33), 62.6(23/34), 60.3(16/36), 60.5(25/33), 64.5(25/34), 63.5(25/33) 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chad72 Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 Our LBs started strong in the year, then cooled down a bit. Blackmon has been on the ascend. Loving it from him. Kelly and Raimann have been doing very good to exceptional, never thought I'd say Big Q is the weaker of the left 3 (must be the year everyone being paid $20 mil. decides to have a downturn, j/k ). Our starting OT and C play has trumped our starting OG play till date. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w87r Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 Easier to read current season grades/ + only current 53 active roster listed: Top 10 Improvement from prior week Decline from prior week Bottom 10 Offense:(24) QB:(2) Minshew - 56.6(32/38) Ehlinger - (NR) RB:(3) Taylor - 66.2(42/59) Moss - 67.7(39/59) Sermon - 39.0(NR) WR:(5) Pittman - 71.5(41/118) Pierce - 55.9(99/118) Downs - 75.5(34/118) McKenzie - 66(NR) Winfree - 52.8(NR) TE:(4) Cox - 61.9(31/75) Ogletree - 74.4(9/75) Granson - 52.4(53/75) Mallory - 61.7(NR) OT:(3) Raimann - 82.8(5/79) Smith - 79.2(10/79) Freeland - 53.2(62/79) OG:(4) Nelson - 63.6(31/82) Fries - 64.1(29/82) Sills - 49.7(NR) Hambright - 60(NR) OC:(3) Kelly - 81.2(2/38) French - 43.4(37/38) Anderson - (NR) Defense:(26) DE:(6) Paye - 67.6(52/106) Ekubam - 78.6(19/106) Dayo - 51.5(94/106) Lewis - 70.1(45/106) Martin - 58.3(NR) Land - 64(NR) DT:(4) Buckner - 74.8(17/124) Stewart - 75.2(15/124) * suspended Bryan - 52.4(92/124) Johnson - 40.5(120/124) Adebawore - 29.3(NR) LB:(6) Leonard - 60.3(62/81) Franklin - 61.2(61/81) Speed - 65.9(49/81) Olubi - 53.4(NR) Stuart - 30.1(NR) McGrone - (NR) CB:(6) Brents - 67(42/112) Moore - 76.9(13/112) Jones - 65.3(53/112) Baker - 48.7(99/112) Brown - 27.6(NR) Speed - (NR) S:(4) Blackmon - 77.6(8/86) Thomas - 59.5(60/86) Cross - 66.4(NR) Denbow - 46.3(NR) SPT:(3) K: Gay - 89.5(NR) P: Sanchez - 63.5(25/33) LS: Rhodes - (NR) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dw49 Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 58 minutes ago, w87r said: PFF cumulative grades through week 10: Team PFF scores:(positional rank) Season grades are laid out as followed (week 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) **Last grade listed in current season rank** Top 10 Improvement from prior week Decline from prior week Bottom 10 Offense: QB: Minshew - 44.3(NR), 71.6(16/33), 58.4(29/33), 58.4(29/34), 62.9(27/33), 52.3(30/33), 48.3(34/35), 50.9(34/36), 51(33/36), 56.6(32/38) Ehlinger - *(inactive first 10 games) Richardson - 49.3(27/32), 55.3(29/33), 55.3(30/33), 53.9(31/34), 52.2(31/33), 52.2(34/38) *IR RB: Taylor - *PUP(first 4 games), 46.7(NR), 64(NR), 66.8(NR), 65.1(37/53), 69.3(32/58), 66.2(42/59) Moss - (NA), 63.6(30/51), 62.3(33/54), 62.1(35/51), 66.6(29/53), 66.6(31/55), 65.9(34/50), 68.1(31/53), 68.2(34/58), 67.7(39/59) Sermon - (NA), (NA), 49(NR), 43.6(NR), 43.9(NR), 39.3(NR), 39.3(NR), 39.3(NR), 39.1(NR), 39.0(NR) Funk - 63.5(NR), *(inactive weeks 2-10) Hull - 65.7(NR) * IR WR: Pittman - 69.4(30/110), 63.1(65/113), 67.7(48/111), 67(52/113), 67.2(50/110), 67.7(50/113), 69.4(46/114), 68.6(53/120), 69.4(48/118), 71.5(41/118) Pierce - 49.7(100/110), 51.3(102/113), 54.5(96/111), 56(90/113), 56(91/110), 55.4(95/113), 58(83/114), 57.4(94/120), 55.7(101/118), 55.9(99/118) Downs - 55.8(78/110), 64.7(57/113), 65.5(57/111), 65.3(60/113), 71.5(36/110), 68.7(48/113), 72.8(36/114), 74.3(34/120), 73.9(37/118), 75.5(34/118) McKenzie - 59.1(NR), 67.6(NR), 63.6(NR), 52.3(NR), 49.8(NR), 65.7(NR), 63.7(NR), 62.5(NR), 62.5(NR), 66(NR) Winfree - 54.1(NR), *(inactive week 2-7), 52.9(NR), 52.6(NR), 52.8(NR) TE: Cox - 53.3(40/63), 58(34/65), 54.6(43/69), 66.1(19/71), 68.2(16/68), 66.8(18/68), 65.6(21/69), 66.5(22/70), 64.6(25/68), 61.9(31/75) Ogletree - 68.2(NR), 68.2(NR), 68.4(NR), 81.4(2/71), 85.1(1/71), 74.7(5/68), 74.8(5/69), 73.4(7/70), 74.4(5/68), 74.4(9/75) Granson - 61.6(27/63), 56.6(39/65), 51.1(51/69), 54.8(41/71), 56.5(39/68), 57.2(41/68), 57.2(40/69), 57.2(41/70), 55.5(45/68), 52.4(53/75) Mallory - (NA), 88.3(NR), 88.3(NR), 88.3(NR), 88.3(NR), 72.2(NR), 65.6(NR), 62.5(NR), 62.5(NR), 61.7(NR) Woods - * IR(first 10 games) OT: Raimann - 71.5(13/65), 76.9(11/71), 78.3(10/67), 78.3(11/71), 78.3(9/72), 79.3(10/74), 75.7(14/74), 78.6(10/75), 80.3(9/76), 82.8(5/79) Smith - 70.4(16/65), 74.9(15/71), 62.9(35/67), 70.6(23/71), 75.9(16/76), *(inactive week 6-9), 79.2(10/79) Freeland - (NA), (NA), (NA), 44.6(NR), 48.4(64/72), 59.5(50/74), 53.8(58/74), 52.7(62/75), 53.2(64/76), 53.2(62/79) OG: Nelson - 70.9(14/65), 65(22/71), 60.4(35/76), 65.9(17/76), 68.1(17/78), 67.5(16/79), 67.5(17/80), 67.4(22/80), 62.4(35/81), 63.6(31/82) Fries - 55.4(42/65), 74.4(6/71), 65.5(22/76), 62.4(27/76), 65.4(22/78), 63.8(27/79), 65.9(22/80), 65.6(26/80), 61.8(37/81), 64.1(29/82) Sills - 58.6(NR), 58.6(NR), 49.4(NR), *(inactive week 4-9), 49.7(NR) Hambright - *(inactive first 8 games), 60(NR), 60(NR) OC: Kelly - 70.6(8/32), 82.8(1/33), 82.8(1/35), 82.8(1/36), 86(1/37), 86.4(1/39), 83.5(1/38), 83.5(1/38), 81.3(3/38), 81.2(2/38) French - (NA), 46.6(NR), 43.3(35/35), 41.1(37/38), *(inactive week 5-9), 43.4(37/38) Defense: DE: Paye - 74.1(27/106), 75.8(29/107), 69.8(43/112), 65.9(53/111), 65.9(51/114), 62.5(66/111), 63.2(63/109), 66.8(52/113), 67.4(51/107), 67.6(52/106) Ekubam - 54.6(82/106), 63.9(59/107), 74.1(36/112), 77.3(21/111), 78.4(22/114), 78.4(24/111), 78.5(23/109), 78.9(22/113), 79(21/107), 78.6(19/106) Dayo - 58.3(72/106), 48(97/107), 51.3(96/112), 66.5(50/111), 59.6(79/114), 55.2(89/111), 55.2(90/109), 48.4(103/113), 49.2(99/107), 51.5(94/106) Lewis - 55.6(79/106), 55(88/107), 58.7(81/112), 56.6(85/111), 63(62/114), 67.6(46/111), 72.8(32/109), 70.1(44/113), 70.6(42/107), 70.1(45/106) Martin - 65.8(NR), 80.4(NR), 71.4(NR), 68.8(NR), 74.3(NR), 68.6(NR), 67.5(NR), 61.7(NR), 60(NR), 58.3(NR) Land - *(inactive week 1-4), 59(NR), *(inactive week 6-8), 66.9(NR), 64(NR) DT: Buckner - 92.5(1/127), 88.2(6/124), 74.9(27/128), 70.9(33/129), 74.1(22/124), 71.2(25/123), 67.4(37/122), 72.6(20/125), 75(17/126), 74.8(17/124) Stewart - 90.2(3/127), 87.8(8/124), 85.5(9/128), 79.6(11/129), 73.9(23/124), 75.2(15/124) *(susp week 7-13) Bryan - 63.1(63/127), 65.3(46/124), 68.3(40/128), 51.6(95/129), 51.3(89/124), 56(78/123), 54.1(84/122), 58.1(69/125), 54.8(84/126), 52.4(92/124) Johnson - 61.0(74/127), 62.7(54/124), 49.6(101/128), 42(115/129), 38.4(118/124), 45(111/123), 50.8(93/122), 50.8(93/125), 49.9(100/127), 40.5(120/124) Adebawore - (NA), (NA), (NA), 47.8(NR), 47.8(NR), 47.8(NR), 42.3(NR), 36(NR), 42.8(NR), 29.3(NR) McTelvin - *(inactive week 1-7), 50.1(NR), *(inactive week 9-10) LB: Leonard - 66.3(37/73), 72.4(27/79), 58.6(61/77), 53(67/78), 53(65/81), 58(60/83), 61.3(55/82), 63.9(53/80), 66.4(46/80), 60.3(62/81) Franklin - 92.2(2/73), 79.9(13/79), 68.7(31/77), 68.7(27/78), 62.9(50/81), 62.2(54/83), 59.6(60/82), 59.6(60/80), 59.6(63/80), 61.2(61/81) Speed - 94.8(1/73), 82.3(8/79), 61.4(52/77), 57.6(57/78), 52.5(69/81), 58.1(64/83), 59.4(61/82), 58.7(65/80), 62.4(55/80), 65.9(49/81) Olubi - (NA), (NA), (NA), 82(NR), 82(NR), 82(NR), 82(NR), 82.8(NR), 53.4(NR), 53.4(NR) Stuart - (NA), 60(NR), 56.7(NR), 56.7(NR), 30.1(NR), *(inactive week 6-10) CB: Brents - (NA), (NA), 87.6(NR), 71.1(29/109), 67.7(42/109), 66.4(48/112), 67(42/112), *(inactive week 8-10) Moore - 57.3(62/92), 64.3(39/98), 69.2(33/105), 70.6(30/109), 69.4(30/109), 66.6(44/112), 68.8(30/115), 70.8(27/116), 80.7(10/113), 76.9(13/112) Jones - 60.0(NR), 60(NR), 60(NR), 63.5(NR), 66.5(NR), 63.1(NR), 59.2(73/115), 55.7(85/116), 66.1(47/113), 65.3(53/112) Baker - 44.8(87/92), 32.6(97/98), 32.6(104/105), 32.6(108/109), 32.6(108/109), 32.1(112/112), 30.1(115/115), 30.1(116/116), 43.2(109/113), 48.7(99/112) Brown - 78.3(NR), *(inactive week 2-7), 27.6(NR), *(inactive week 9-10) Flowers - 53.6(69/92), 59.6(60/98), 65.5(42/105), 66.4(45/109) * IR S: Blackmon - 53.6(64/79), 61.6(54/79) 61.7(54/85), 62.2(51/87), 72.1(23/86), 68.1(36/86), 77(11/84), 72.4(22/87), 74.3(18/87), 77.6(8/86) Thomas - 43.8(72/79), 50.8(72/79), 44.5(81/85), 48.9(79/87), 47.7(77/86), 49.8(79/86), 57.2(68/84), 55.1(74/87), 54.8(76/87), 59.5(60/86) Cross - (NA), 60.5(NR), 61.1(NR), 61.4(NR), 61.4(NR), 61.4(NR), 60.7(NR), 66.1(NR), 66.2(NR), 66.4(NR) Denbow - *(inactive week 1-7), 46.3(NR), *(inactive week 9-10) K: Gay - 63.5(NR), 68.2(NR), 90.4(NR), 83.3(NR), 83.9(NR), 88.3(NR), 87.9(NR), 88.3(NR), 90.5(NR), 89.5(NR) P: Sanchez - 60.9(19/29), 64.9(14/29), 66(18/32), 62.2(22/32), 61.9(22/33), 62.6(23/34), 60.3(16/36), 60.5(25/33), 64.5(25/34), 63.5(25/33) Am I reading something wrong or did Ogletree get a grade in a game he was not active in ? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w87r Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 1 hour ago, w87r said: Top 10 Improvement from prior week Decline from prior week Bottom 10 Offense: QB: Minshew - 44.3(NR), 71.6(16/33), 58.4(29/33), 58.4(29/34), 62.9(27/33), 52.3(30/33), 48.3(34/35), 50.9(34/36), 51(33/36), 56.6(32/38) Ehlinger - *(inactive first 10 games) Richardson - 49.3(27/32), 55.3(29/33), 55.3(30/33), 53.9(31/34), 52.2(31/33), 52.2(34/38) *IR Will break down by groups: Minshew got a great grade. Crazy to think, even so, he still ranks in the bottom 5 QBs(that qualify for grades) Minshew has improved grade each of the last 3 weeks. Amazing what happens when you cut TOs down. 1 hour ago, w87r said: RB: Taylor - *PUP(first 4 games), 46.7(NR), 64(NR), 66.8(NR), 65.1(37/53), 69.3(32/58), 66.2(42/59) Moss - (NA), 63.6(30/51), 62.3(33/54), 62.1(35/51), 66.6(29/53), 66.6(31/55), 65.9(34/50), 68.1(31/53), 68.2(34/58), 67.7(39/59) Sermon - (NA), (NA), 49(NR), 43.6(NR), 43.9(NR), 39.3(NR), 39.3(NR), 39.3(NR), 39.1(NR), 39.0(NR) Funk - 63.5(NR), *(inactive weeks 2-10) Hull - 65.7(NR) * IR Taylor clearly has taken over the lead back roll with Moss only receiving 1 touch. Taylor dropped 10 spots in ranking after 3ypc game this week. 1 hour ago, w87r said: WR: Pittman - 69.4(30/110), 63.1(65/113), 67.7(48/111), 67(52/113), 67.2(50/110), 67.7(50/113), 69.4(46/114), 68.6(53/120), 69.4(48/118), 71.5(41/118) Pierce - 49.7(100/110), 51.3(102/113), 54.5(96/111), 56(90/113), 56(91/110), 55.4(95/113), 58(83/114), 57.4(94/120), 55.7(101/118), 55.9(99/118) Downs - 55.8(78/110), 64.7(57/113), 65.5(57/111), 65.3(60/113), 71.5(36/110), 68.7(48/113), 72.8(36/114), 74.3(34/120), 73.9(37/118), 75.5(34/118) McKenzie - 59.1(NR), 67.6(NR), 63.6(NR), 52.3(NR), 49.8(NR), 65.7(NR), 63.7(NR), 62.5(NR), 62.5(NR), 66(NR) Winfree - 54.1(NR), *(inactive week 2-7), 52.9(NR), 52.6(NR), 52.8(NR) All our WRs grades went up this week. Pittman at a high point on the season at the #41 spot. Downs continues to impress, up to the #34 spot this week. Wish Pierce would get a few more targets McKenzie would probably rank in the 60-70 rank if he qualified, has to be close I would think. 1 hour ago, w87r said: TE: Cox - 53.3(40/63), 58(34/65), 54.6(43/69), 66.1(19/71), 68.2(16/68), 66.8(18/68), 65.6(21/69), 66.5(22/70), 64.6(25/68), 61.9(31/75) Ogletree - 68.2(NR), 68.2(NR), 68.4(NR), 81.4(2/71), 85.1(1/71), 74.7(5/68), 74.8(5/69), 73.4(7/70), 74.4(5/68), 74.4(9/75) Granson - 61.6(27/63), 56.6(39/65), 51.1(51/69), 54.8(41/71), 56.5(39/68), 57.2(41/68), 57.2(40/69), 57.2(41/70), 55.5(45/68), 52.4(53/75) Mallory - (NA), 88.3(NR), 88.3(NR), 88.3(NR), 88.3(NR), 72.2(NR), 65.6(NR), 62.5(NR), 62.5(NR), 61.7(NR) Woods - * IR(first 10 games) Ogletree has been grading out in the top 10 for the last 7 weeks. Need to get him even more involved, once back from injury. Missed this week. Mo has been declining last couple weeks after being graded out around top 20 for a few weeks. Probably would like to see more Mallory over Granson. I think Woods is probably good to go, rough roster decision to make. 1 hour ago, w87r said: OT: Raimann - 71.5(13/65), 76.9(11/71), 78.3(10/67), 78.3(11/71), 78.3(9/72), 79.3(10/74), 75.7(14/74), 78.6(10/75), 80.3(9/76), 82.8(5/79) Smith - 70.4(16/65), 74.9(15/71), 62.9(35/67), 70.6(23/71), 75.9(16/76), *(inactive week 6-9), 79.2(10/79) Freeland - (NA), (NA), (NA), 44.6(NR), 48.4(64/72), 59.5(50/74), 53.8(58/74), 52.7(62/75), 53.2(64/76), 53.2(62/79) OG: Nelson - 70.9(14/65), 65(22/71), 60.4(35/76), 65.9(17/76), 68.1(17/78), 67.5(16/79), 67.5(17/80), 67.4(22/80), 62.4(35/81), 63.6(31/82) Fries - 55.4(42/65), 74.4(6/71), 65.5(22/76), 62.4(27/76), 65.4(22/78), 63.8(27/79), 65.9(22/80), 65.6(26/80), 61.8(37/81), 64.1(29/82) Sills - 58.6(NR), 58.6(NR), 49.4(NR), *(inactive week 4-9), 49.7(NR) Hambright - *(inactive first 8 games), 60(NR), 60(NR) OC: Kelly - 70.6(8/32), 82.8(1/33), 82.8(1/35), 82.8(1/36), 86(1/37), 86.4(1/39), 83.5(1/38), 83.5(1/38), 81.3(3/38), 81.2(2/38) French - (NA), 46.6(NR), 43.3(35/35), 41.1(37/38), *(inactive week 5-9), 43.4(37/38) So the OL as a whole. Wow. #2 Center + (2) top 10 Tackles (2) top 31 Guards as well #62 Tackle too What can be said? Raimann is just a beast Smith is as well, happy he is back Freeland got some irreplaceable experience and I expect his development to show come next season. French is 2nd worst graded Center 1 hour ago, w87r said: Defense: DE: Paye - 74.1(27/106), 75.8(29/107), 69.8(43/112), 65.9(53/111), 65.9(51/114), 62.5(66/111), 63.2(63/109), 66.8(52/113), 67.4(51/107), 67.6(52/106) Ekubam - 54.6(82/106), 63.9(59/107), 74.1(36/112), 77.3(21/111), 78.4(22/114), 78.4(24/111), 78.5(23/109), 78.9(22/113), 79(21/107), 78.6(19/106) Dayo - 58.3(72/106), 48(97/107), 51.3(96/112), 66.5(50/111), 59.6(79/114), 55.2(89/111), 55.2(90/109), 48.4(103/113), 49.2(99/107), 51.5(94/106) Lewis - 55.6(79/106), 55(88/107), 58.7(81/112), 56.6(85/111), 63(62/114), 67.6(46/111), 72.8(32/109), 70.1(44/113), 70.6(42/107), 70.1(45/106) Martin - 65.8(NR), 80.4(NR), 71.4(NR), 68.8(NR), 74.3(NR), 68.6(NR), 67.5(NR), 61.7(NR), 60(NR), 58.3(NR) Land - *(inactive week 1-4), 59(NR), *(inactive week 6-8), 66.9(NR), 64(NR) DT: Buckner - 92.5(1/127), 88.2(6/124), 74.9(27/128), 70.9(33/129), 74.1(22/124), 71.2(25/123), 67.4(37/122), 72.6(20/125), 75(17/126), 74.8(17/124) Stewart - 90.2(3/127), 87.8(8/124), 85.5(9/128), 79.6(11/129), 73.9(23/124), 75.2(15/124) *(susp week 7-13) Bryan - 63.1(63/127), 65.3(46/124), 68.3(40/128), 51.6(95/129), 51.3(89/124), 56(78/123), 54.1(84/122), 58.1(69/125), 54.8(84/126), 52.4(92/124) Johnson - 61.0(74/127), 62.7(54/124), 49.6(101/128), 42(115/129), 38.4(118/124), 45(111/123), 50.8(93/122), 50.8(93/125), 49.9(100/127), 40.5(120/124) Adebawore - (NA), (NA), (NA), 47.8(NR), 47.8(NR), 47.8(NR), 42.3(NR), 36(NR), 42.8(NR), 29.3(NR) McTelvin - *(inactive week 1-7), 50.1(NR), *(inactive week 9-10) Do the DL as a whole as well. Will be great to get Grover back in a couple weeks. DT is thin, no doubt. Only good thing with our roster build is, Dayo and Lewis can both slide inside if need be. Ebukam has just quietly been grading out around top 20 all year. Paye has had 4 straight weeks of grade improvement Lewis grading out at #45 is nice as well, great story of battling through adversity Johnson has almost hit rock bottom. Bryan...ehhh. Adebawore is just in developmental year. 1 hour ago, w87r said: LB: Leonard - 66.3(37/73), 72.4(27/79), 58.6(61/77), 53(67/78), 53(65/81), 58(60/83), 61.3(55/82), 63.9(53/80), 66.4(46/80), 60.3(62/81) Franklin - 92.2(2/73), 79.9(13/79), 68.7(31/77), 68.7(27/78), 62.9(50/81), 62.2(54/83), 59.6(60/82), 59.6(60/80), 59.6(63/80), 61.2(61/81) Speed - 94.8(1/73), 82.3(8/79), 61.4(52/77), 57.6(57/78), 52.5(69/81), 58.1(64/83), 59.4(61/82), 58.7(65/80), 62.4(55/80), 65.9(49/81) Olubi - (NA), (NA), (NA), 82(NR), 82(NR), 82(NR), 82(NR), 82.8(NR), 53.4(NR), 53.4(NR) Stuart - (NA), 60(NR), 56.7(NR), 56.7(NR), 30.1(NR), *(inactive week 6-10) Speed has taken over as top rated LB currently. Not much to say here. Franklin and Shaq grading out in bottom quarter of the league. Need to step their games up. Stuart should never see the defensive side of the ball for us, Olubi is ok though, sparingly. 1 hour ago, w87r said: CB: Brents - (NA), (NA), 87.6(NR), 71.1(29/109), 67.7(42/109), 66.4(48/112), 67(42/112), *(inactive week 8-10) Moore - 57.3(62/92), 64.3(39/98), 69.2(33/105), 70.6(30/109), 69.4(30/109), 66.6(44/112), 68.8(30/115), 70.8(27/116), 80.7(10/113), 76.9(13/112) Jones - 60.0(NR), 60(NR), 60(NR), 63.5(NR), 66.5(NR), 63.1(NR), 59.2(73/115), 55.7(85/116), 66.1(47/113), 65.3(53/112) Baker - 44.8(87/92), 32.6(97/98), 32.6(104/105), 32.6(108/109), 32.6(108/109), 32.1(112/112), 30.1(115/115), 30.1(116/116), 43.2(109/113), 48.7(99/112) Brown - 78.3(NR), *(inactive week 2-7), 27.6(NR), *(inactive week 9-10) Flowers - 53.6(69/92), 59.6(60/98), 65.5(42/105), 66.4(45/109) * IR First off let me say I am happy for Baker, for the first time all season, he is not ranked as the worst, or even in the bottom 10 CBs in the league. Love Jones getting these reps. Has played ok I think. Kenny has been beasting this year. Ready to get Brents back. 1 hour ago, w87r said: S: Blackmon - 53.6(64/79), 61.6(54/79) 61.7(54/85), 62.2(51/87), 72.1(23/86), 68.1(36/86), 77(11/84), 72.4(22/87), 74.3(18/87), 77.6(8/86) Thomas - 43.8(72/79), 50.8(72/79), 44.5(81/85), 48.9(79/87), 47.7(77/86), 49.8(79/86), 57.2(68/84), 55.1(74/87), 54.8(76/87), 59.5(60/86) Cross - (NA), 60.5(NR), 61.1(NR), 61.4(NR), 61.4(NR), 61.4(NR), 60.7(NR), 66.1(NR), 66.2(NR), 66.4(NR) Denbow - *(inactive week 1-7), 46.3(NR), *(inactive week 9-10) Blackmon is trying to get paid, little worried about that contract year play, but he has been fantastic. Thomas, like Baker , has battled his way out of the bottom 10 Safeties with better play over the last 4 weeks. Cross would probably grade out in the 40-45 range if he qualified. Would like to see more reps. 1 hour ago, w87r said: K: Gay - 63.5(NR), 68.2(NR), 90.4(NR), 83.3(NR), 83.9(NR), 88.3(NR), 87.9(NR), 88.3(NR), 90.5(NR), 89.5(NR) P: Sanchez - 60.9(19/29), 64.9(14/29), 66(18/32), 62.2(22/32), 61.9(22/33), 62.6(23/34), 60.3(16/36), 60.5(25/33), 64.5(25/34), 63.5(25/33) Gay - worth every penny Sanchez is grading out bottom 10, but I think he has been punting ok lately. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boondoggle Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 This team sorely needs a shot in the arm in the trenches. Both sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w87r Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 39 minutes ago, dw49 said: Am I reading something wrong or did Ogletree get a grade in a game he was not active in ? Reading it wrong. Grade just carried over from prior week. That is still his up to date post week 10 ranking, despite not playing. Edit: also, mine is not the individual week score. It's the current weeks score for the season total grade. So week 1 was grade after week 1 Week 2 is season grade after week 2, not for the week 2 game, and so on and so on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w87r Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 18 minutes ago, Boondoggle said: This team sorely needs a shot in the arm in the trenches. Both sides. OL is fine. LT - #5 LG - #31 C - #2 RG - #29 RT - #10/#61 DL is pretty solid as well once Grover gets back(speaking of shot in the arm) DE - #19 DT - #15 DT - #17 DE - #45/#52 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w87r Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 @Solid84 Does it breakdown the split grades, let's say for Dayo, at DE vs DT? Same with Lewis? Don't need grades just let me know if there is a major difference one way or the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w87r Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 4 hours ago, Solid84 said: Leonard - Bad - Bad Run defense. Bad Tackling - 4 Tackles, 4 Assists, 2 missed tackles, No Stops. No Passrush snaps. Bad Coverage - Gave up 2/2 targets for 26 yards (Y/REC 13.0), No Pass breakups. No penalties. 48 total snaps (31 Rdef, 17 Cov). Surprised he didn't get credit for the tipped pass that led to INT? Looked like he tipped it to me As always, great write up 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
compuls1v3 Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 6 hours ago, Solid84 said: I'm not going to be posting any grades save maybe just a few on stand-out players. I'll try to rank grades as follows: Elite 90+ Great 80-89 Good 70-79 Above Average 65-69 Average 56-64 Below Average 50-55 Bad <50 For reference the baseline grade is 60.0 - the average. To make it easier for me I've made some PFF-grade intervals for each of the above categories (see above). Fewer grades under average because once you get into that area under "Below average" there's not much point in grading it - it's just not good enough. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Stand-out performances week 10: These are premium grades. I'll post links to where they can be found. If you find these PFF grades as interesting as me I highly recommend you subscribe. Julian Blackmon - Overall 82.5 - 69 total snaps (35 Rdef, 34 Cov) - No penalties. (Defense) -- Run defense - 58.7 -- Tackling - 81.6 - 1 missed tackle, 6 Tackles, 1 Assist, 3 Stops. -- Coverage - 82.3 - Gave up 1/4 targets for 9 yards (Y/REC 9.0), 1 INT, 1 Pass breakup. Great game by Blackmon! Josh Downs - Overall 82.3 - 14 (13 Rec, 1 Rblk) - No penalties. (Receiving) -- Receiving - 79.1 - Caught 2/3 targets for 40 yards, ADOT 19.3, YAC/REC 5.0, No missed tackles forced. -- Drops - 68.3 -- Fumbles - 64.0 -- Run blocking - 60.0 Limited snaps, but he still makes a difference! Bernhard Raimann - Overall 82.2 - 57 total snaps (26 Rblk, 31 Pblk) - No penalties. (Blocking) -- Pass blocking - 86.5 - 1 Hurry. -- Run blocking - 75.7 As usual! Mr. reliable! Braden Smith - Overall 80.8 - 56 total snaps (25 Rblk, 31 Pblk) - No penalties. (Blocking) -- Pass blocking - 76.8 - 1 Hurry. -- Run blocking - 80.1 Smith back with a great performance! Rodney Thomas - Overall 80.7 - 69 total snaps (35 Rdef, 1 Prsh, 33 Cov) - No penalties. (Defense) -- Run defense - 36.1 -- Tackling - 29.7 - 1 missed tackle, 2 Tackles. -- Passrush - 59.4 - No Sacks, Hits or Hurries. -- Coverage - 89.4 - Gave up 0/0 targets, 1 INT. Grade carried entirely by his INT. And now, the biggest surprise of all --- drumroll please --- Gardner Minshew - Overall 83.9 - 57 total snaps - No penalties. (Passing) -- Passing - 83.6 - Made 18/28 attempts (64.3% - Adj% 75.0) for 194 yards, YPA 6.9, 1 INT, Big Time Throws 2, No turnover worthy plays, 2 batted passes, 9 dropbacks under pressure (32.14%), Time to throw 3.42. -- Rushing - 57.1 -- Fumble - 78.1 I... what? I mean... what? How? Why? Blackmon has had a good season. Settled in nicely at SS. Rodney Thomas' best performances coincide with his INTs. Without them he's below average to bad. Even with few snaps Downs makes a difference! We got two solid tackles on the roster! I don't know why Minshew's here. Seriously, I'm calling this a mistake by PFF... -------------------------------------------------------------------- Comments on grades for Offense, Defense and ST, week 10 Seeing as the cats out of the bag on week 1-3 grades (my bad), I'll keep them here and make comments on the latest game. Offense - (week3/week2/week 1) (55.2/74.7/53.1) - Overall Offense Week 10 - Good - Bahahaha, what?! (49.3/80.6/49.2) - Passing Week 10 - Great - I want whatever the PFF crew were smoking when they came up with this. (65.3/70.9/68.3) - Pass blocking Week 10 - Good (near Great) - 2nd best performance all season from our big guys up front. (62.3/63.2/57.1) - Reciever routes Week 10 - Above Average - Solid performance from almost everyone. (61.4/67.4/38.8) - Run game Week 10 - Average. The Patriots played the run and it showed. (45.4/82.9/62.3) - Run blocking Week 10 - Good - One of our better run blocking performances. 264 total yards on 57 snaps on offense and the team somehow got a Good grade... how? Defense - (week3/week2/week 1) (57.7/62.3/78.9) - Overall Defense Week 10 - Average - Again, mainly due to excellent coverage this weak. (43.1/74.4/83.4) - Run defense Week 10 - Bad - Worst Run defense of the season by a good margine. (39.0/51.8/66.4) - Tackling Week 10 - Below Average - The teams' achilles heel. (67.4/72.5/73.3) - Passrush Week 10 - Above Average - Another week of solid performance from our front 4 on the Dline. (62.1/50.0/66.2) - Coverage Week 10 - Great - Jones struggled for the Patriots and Blackmon and Thomas had INTs. Best defensive performance of the year! Special Teams - (week3/week2/week 1) (54.7/69.8/78.3) - Special Teams Week 10 - Below Average - Another poor week from the ST unit. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Comments on grades for Players, week 10 Offense QB - Comments on overall performance and Passing and Running Minshew - See stand-out performances for grades. Oline - Comments on overall performance and Run blocking, Pass blocking and penalties. Raimann - See stand-out performances for grades. Nelson - Above Average (near Good) - Nelson's best game in 5 weeks. Average Run blocking. Great Pass blocking - Clean performance. No penalties. 57 total snaps (31 Pblk, 26 Rblk). Kelly - Above Average - Above Average Run blocking. Below Average Pass blocking - Clean performance, but still his worst performance of the season. No penalties. 34 total snaps (19 Pblk, 15 Rblk). French - Average - Average Run blocking. Good (near Great) Pass blocking - Clean performance, best Pass blocking of the season for French. 1 penalty. 23 total snaps (12 Pblk, 11 Rblk). Fries - Good - Good Run blocking. Average Pass blocking - Gave up 1 Hit. 1 penalty. 56 total snaps (31 Pblk, 25 Rblk). Smith - See stand-out performances for grades. Freeland - Limited snaps (1) WR - Comments on overall performance and Receiver routes, Hands and penalties. Hands comments are based on grades for catchable throws caught and ball security. Downs - See stand-out performances for grades. McKenzie - Good - Above Average Receiving, Good Hands - 4/4 targets caught for 31 yards, ADOT 4.5, YAC/REC 3.3, 1/1 contested targets caught, No missed tackles forced. Average Run Blocking. No penalties. 26 total snaps (15 Rec, 11 Rblk). Pierce - Average - Average Receiving- 1/1 targets caught for 21 yards. ADOT 21. YAC/REC 0.0, 1/1 contested targets caught, No missed tackles forced. Good Run blocking. No penalties. 55 total snaps (31 Rec, 24 Rblk). Pittman - Good - Good Receiving, Good Hands - 8/11 targets caught for 84 yards, ADOT 9.3, YAC/REC 2.5. 0/1 contested targets caught. No missed tackles forced. Below Average Run blocking. 1 penalty. 54 total snaps (29 Rec, 25 Rblk). Winfree - Limited snaps (1) TE - Comments on overall performance and Receiver routes, Hands, Blocking and penalties. Hands comments are based on grades for catchable throws caught and ball security. Cox - Below Average - Bad Receving- 0/1 targets caught, ADOT 14.0. Average Run blocking. Good Pass blocking - Clean performance. No penalties. 34 total snaps (13 Rec, 1 Pblk, 20 Rblk). Ogletree - Good - Great Receiving, Above Average Hands - 1/1 targets caught for 19 yards, ADOT 19.0, YAC/REC 2.0, 0 contested targets, No missed tackles forced. Bad Run blocking. Above Average Pass blocking - Clean performance. No penalties. 23 total snaps (9 Rec, 1 Pblk, 13 Rblk). Granson - Bad - Bad Receiving, Bad Hands - 1/1 targets caught for 5 yards, ADOT 4.0, YAC/REC 1.0, 0 contrested catches, No missed tackles forced. Bad Run blocking. Good Pass blocking - Clean performance. No penalties. 32 total snaps (16 Rec, 1 Pblk, 15 Rblk). Mallory - Average - Average Receiving, Average Hands - 1/2 targets caught for 7 yards, ADOT 3.0, YAC/REC 8.0, 0 contrested catches, No missed tackles forced. Average Run blocking. No penalties. 9 total snaps (5 Rec, 4 Rblk). RB - Comments on overall performance and Run grades, Receiving and Hands. Hands comments are based on grades for catchable throws caught and ball security. Moss - Below Average. Average Running, Average Hands - 1 carries for 2 yards, No missed tackles forced. Average Receiving - 0 targets. Average Run blocking. Good Pass blocking - Clean performance. No penalties. 9 total snaps (3 Rec, 2 Pblk, 1 Run, 3 Rblk). Taylor - Below Average. Average Running, Good Hands - 23 carries for 69 yards, 1 TD, 33 yards after contact (YCO/A 1.43), 2 missed tackles forced. Below Average Receiving, Good Hands - 1/1 targets caught for 6 yards, ADOT 1.0, YAC/REC 5.0, 0 contested targets, 1 missed tackles forced. Average Run blocking. Bad Pass blocking - Gave up 1 Hurry. No penalties. 50 total snaps (23 Rev, 3 Pblk, 23 Run, 1 Rblk). I don't get the Minshew grade, at all. Good performance from the Oline with only Raimann and Smith as stand outs. Downs, Pittman and McKenzie had good games. Ogletree had a good game as the only TE. JT and Moss didn't get it going, but, the Patriots focussed on the run game and it showed. Defense DI - Comments on overall performance and Run defense, Tackling, Passrush, Coverage and penalties. Buckner - Above Average - Bad Run defense. Good Tackling - 5 Tackles, 2 Assists, No missed tackles, 4 Stops. Great Passrush - 1 Sack, 2 Hits and 3 Hurries. No penalties. 47 total snaps (24 Rdef, 23 Prsh). Bryan - Bad - Bad Run defense. Above Average Tackling - 2 Tackles, 1 Stop. Average Passrush - 1 Hurry. No penalties. 22 total snaps (14 Rdef, 8 Prsh). Johnson - Bad - Bad Run defense. Above Average Tackling - 2 Tackles, No missed tackles, 1 Stop. Above Average Passrush - No Sacks, Hits or Hurries. No penalties. 33 total snaps (21 Rdef, 12 Prsh). Adebawore - Bad - Bad Run defense. Bad Tackling - 1 Tackle, 2 missed tackles, No Stop. Average Passrush - 1 Hit. No penalties. 17 total snaps (9 Rdef, 8 Prsh). ED - Comments on overall performance and Run defense, Tackling, Passrush, Coverage and penalties. Martin - Average - Bad Run defense. Above Average Tackling - 1 Assist, No missed tackle, No Stops. Above Average Passrush - 1 Hurries. No penalties. 16 total snaps (10 Rdef, 6 Prsh). Paye - Average - Above Average Run defense. Good Tackling - 1 Tackle, 1 Assist, No missed tackle, 2 Stops. Average Passrush - 1 Sack, 1 Hurry. No penalty. 37 total snaps (17 Rdef, 20 Prsh). Ebukam - Above Average - Good Run defense. Bad Tackling - 3 Tackles, 1 missed tackle, 3 Stops. Below Average Passrush - 3 Hurries. No penalties. 37 total snaps (18 Rdef, 19 Prsh). Lewis - Average - Bad Run defense. Good Tackling - 1 Tackle, No missed tackles, 1 Stop. Good Passrush - 1 Sack, 1 Hit and 1 Hurry. No penalties. 22 total snaps (12 Rdef, 10 Prsh). Odeyingbo - Above Average. Bad Run defense. Good Tackling - 1 Tackle, No missed tackles, 4 Stops. Good Passrush - 3 Sacks. No penalties. 40 total snaps (16 Rdef, 24 Prsh). Land - Limited snaps (8). LB - Comments on overall performance and Run defense, Tackling, Passrush, Coverage and penalties. Speed - Good - Great Run defense. Good Tackling - 3 Tackles, No missed tackle, 1 Stop. Average Passrush - No Sacks, Hits or Hurries. Above Average Coverage - Gave up 1/1 targets for 11 yards (Y/REC 11.0), No Pass breakups. No penalties. 33 total snaps (13 Rdef, Prsh, 19 Cov). Leonard - Bad - Bad Run defense. Bad Tackling - 4 Tackles, 4 Assists, 2 missed tackles, No Stops. No Passrush snaps. Bad Coverage - Gave up 2/2 targets for 26 yards (Y/REC 13.0), No Pass breakups. No penalties. 48 total snaps (31 Rdef, 17 Cov). Franklin - Above Average - Bad Run defense. Above Average Tackling - 13 Tackles, 2 Assists, 1 missed tackle, 3 Stops. No Passrush snaps. Elite Coverage - Gave up 5/7 targets for 40 yards (Y/REC 8.0), No Pass breakups. 1 penalty. 69 total snaps (35 Rdef, 34 Cov). CB - Comments on overall performance and Run defense, Tackling, Passrush, Coverage and penalties. Moore - Bad - Below Average Run defense. Bad Tackling - 4 Tackles, 1 Assist, 1 missed tackle, 1 Stop. Below Average Passrush - No Sacks, Hits or Hurries. Below Average Coverage - Gave up 5/7 targets for 71 yards (Y/REC 14.2), No Pass breakups. No penalties. 69 total snaps (35 Rdef, 3 Prsh, 31 Cov). Jones - Average - Above Average Run defense. Good Tackling - 4 Tackles, No missed tackles, No Stops. No Passrush snaps. Average Coverage - Gave up 3/3 targets for 31 yards (Y/REC 10.3), No Pass breakups. No penalties. 69 total snaps (35 Rdef, 34 Cov). Baker - Good - Above Average Run defense. Good Tackling - 3 Tackles, No missed tackle, No Stops. No Passrush snaps. Good Coverage - Gave up 1/1 targets for 7 yards, No Pass breakups. No penalties. 53 total snaps (22 Rdef, 31 Cov). S - Comments on overall performance and Run defense, Tackling, Passrush, Coverage and penalties. See stand-out performances for grades. See stand-out performances for grades. Cross - Limited snaps (1) All of our DIs had trouble with the run game. Buckner did bring the heat in the passing game though. Decent game by the DEs but some questionable run defense from Martin, Lewis and Dayo. Dayo did have 3 sacks! Leonard had the worst game of his career, which is unfortunate after he saif he wanted more playing time. It's worth noting this is his worst game of the season BY FAR. Speed had a good - his 3rd best of the season. Franklin had his 2nd best game of the season mainly due to elite coverage. Baker had the best game of our CBs. Blackmon and Thomas both had INTs - the INT carried Thomas grades. What's is happening? What a weird game grades-wise. Gardner graded out great. Baker was our best CB and Franklin was elite in coverage. How does 3 sacks only equate to Good pass rush? Does he need more pressures? As someone who has pointed out his whiffs on the QB in the past, he had an excellent game in my eyes on the pass rush. Now we just need consistency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbear Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 More and more I just don't get PFF. They were always a bit questionable imo, but I don't get their scores and I seem to be saying that more and more. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dw49 Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 4 hours ago, w87r said: Reading it wrong. Grade just carried over from prior week. That is still his up to date post week 10 ranking, despite not playing. Edit: also, mine is not the individual week score. It's the current weeks score for the season total grade. So week 1 was grade after week 1 Week 2 is season grade after week 2, not for the week 2 game, and so on and so on. Thanks for the explanation 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2006Coltsbestever Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 3 hours ago, w87r said: Surprised he didn't get credit for the tipped pass that led to INT? Looked like he tipped it to me As always, great write up He did tip it, you can't really tell until you freeze frame it and go click by click. He barely touched it because the trajectory of the ball slightly went to the right after he tipped it. I have looked at that play at least 20 times now on youtube because I didn't want to post this unless I knew he did. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w87r Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 9 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said: He did tip it, you can't really tell until you freeze frame it and go click by click. He barely touched it because the trajectory of the ball slightly went to the right after he tipped it. I have looked at that play at least 20 times now on youtube because I didn't want to post this unless I knew he did. Yeah, the ball took a little dive after he tipped it. I watch it a bunch as well. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediXMan Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 My reaction to that Minshew score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solid84 Posted November 14, 2023 Author Share Posted November 14, 2023 6 hours ago, w87r said: @Solid84 Does it breakdown the split grades, let's say for Dayo, at DE vs DT? Same with Lewis? Don't need grades just let me know if there is a major difference one way or the other. I’ll have a look-see later today. Edit: They don't show grades by postion. All I can get you is the snaps per position. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solid84 Posted November 14, 2023 Author Share Posted November 14, 2023 4 hours ago, compuls1v3 said: How does 3 sacks only equate to Good pass rush? Does he need more pressures? As someone who has pointed out his whiffs on the QB in the past, he had an excellent game in my eyes on the pass rush. Now we just need consistency. I think it’s because the sacks was all he had. No pressures besides those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w87r Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 4 hours ago, Solid84 said: I think it’s because the sacks was all he had. No pressures besides those. He had 1 additional pressure outside of those 3 sacks 4 hours ago, Solid84 said: I’ll have a look-see later today. Edit: They don't show grades by postion. All I can get you is the snaps per position. That's ok, it's premium content, was just curious if there was a big discrepancy between the grades of both 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lollygagger8 Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 Leonard stealing reps is criminal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throwing BBZ Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 19 hours ago, Solid84 said: I'm not going to be posting any grades save maybe just a few on stand-out players. I'll try to rank grades as follows: Elite 90+ Great 80-89 Good 70-79 Above Average 65-69 Average 56-64 Below Average 50-55 Bad <50 For reference the baseline grade is 60.0 - the average. To make it easier for me I've made some PFF-grade intervals for each of the above categories (see above). Fewer grades under average because once you get into that area under "Below average" there's not much point in grading it - it's just not good enough. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Stand-out performances week 10: These are premium grades. I'll post links to where they can be found. If you find these PFF grades as interesting as me I highly recommend you subscribe. Julian Blackmon - Overall 82.5 - 69 total snaps (35 Rdef, 34 Cov) - No penalties. (Defense) -- Run defense - 58.7 -- Tackling - 81.6 - 1 missed tackle, 6 Tackles, 1 Assist, 3 Stops. -- Coverage - 82.3 - Gave up 1/4 targets for 9 yards (Y/REC 9.0), 1 INT, 1 Pass breakup. Great game by Blackmon! Josh Downs - Overall 82.3 - 14 (13 Rec, 1 Rblk) - No penalties. (Receiving) -- Receiving - 79.1 - Caught 2/3 targets for 40 yards, ADOT 19.3, YAC/REC 5.0, No missed tackles forced. -- Drops - 68.3 -- Fumbles - 64.0 -- Run blocking - 60.0 Limited snaps, but he still makes a difference! Bernhard Raimann - Overall 82.2 - 57 total snaps (26 Rblk, 31 Pblk) - No penalties. (Blocking) -- Pass blocking - 86.5 - 1 Hurry. -- Run blocking - 75.7 As usual! Mr. reliable! Braden Smith - Overall 80.8 - 56 total snaps (25 Rblk, 31 Pblk) - No penalties. (Blocking) -- Pass blocking - 76.8 - 1 Hurry. -- Run blocking - 80.1 Smith back with a great performance! Rodney Thomas - Overall 80.7 - 69 total snaps (35 Rdef, 1 Prsh, 33 Cov) - No penalties. (Defense) -- Run defense - 36.1 -- Tackling - 29.7 - 1 missed tackle, 2 Tackles. -- Passrush - 59.4 - No Sacks, Hits or Hurries. -- Coverage - 89.4 - Gave up 0/0 targets, 1 INT. Grade carried entirely by his INT. And now, the biggest surprise of all --- drumroll please --- Gardner Minshew - Overall 83.9 - 57 total snaps - No penalties. (Passing) -- Passing - 83.6 - Made 18/28 attempts (64.3% - Adj% 75.0) for 194 yards, YPA 6.9, 1 INT, Big Time Throws 2, No turnover worthy plays, 2 batted passes, 9 dropbacks under pressure (32.14%), Time to throw 3.42. -- Rushing - 57.1 -- Fumble - 78.1 I... what? I mean... what? How? Why? Blackmon has had a good season. Settled in nicely at SS. Rodney Thomas' best performances coincide with his INTs. Without them he's below average to bad. Even with few snaps Downs makes a difference! We got two solid tackles on the roster! I don't know why Minshew's here. Seriously, I'm calling this a mistake by PFF... -------------------------------------------------------------------- Comments on grades for Offense, Defense and ST, week 10 Seeing as the cats out of the bag on week 1-3 grades (my bad), I'll keep them here and make comments on the latest game. Offense - (week3/week2/week 1) (55.2/74.7/53.1) - Overall Offense Week 10 - Good - Bahahaha, what?! (49.3/80.6/49.2) - Passing Week 10 - Great - I want whatever the PFF crew were smoking when they came up with this. (65.3/70.9/68.3) - Pass blocking Week 10 - Good (near Great) - 2nd best performance all season from our big guys up front. (62.3/63.2/57.1) - Reciever routes Week 10 - Above Average - Solid performance from almost everyone. (61.4/67.4/38.8) - Run game Week 10 - Average. The Patriots played the run and it showed. (45.4/82.9/62.3) - Run blocking Week 10 - Good - One of our better run blocking performances. 264 total yards on 57 snaps on offense and the team somehow got a Good grade... how? Defense - (week3/week2/week 1) (57.7/62.3/78.9) - Overall Defense Week 10 - Average - Again, mainly due to excellent coverage this weak. (43.1/74.4/83.4) - Run defense Week 10 - Bad - Worst Run defense of the season by a good margine. (39.0/51.8/66.4) - Tackling Week 10 - Below Average - The teams' achilles heel. (67.4/72.5/73.3) - Passrush Week 10 - Above Average - Another week of solid performance from our front 4 on the Dline. (62.1/50.0/66.2) - Coverage Week 10 - Great - Jones struggled for the Patriots and Blackmon and Thomas had INTs. Best defensive performance of the year! Special Teams - (week3/week2/week 1) (54.7/69.8/78.3) - Special Teams Week 10 - Below Average - Another poor week from the ST unit. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Comments on grades for Players, week 10 Offense QB - Comments on overall performance and Passing and Running Minshew - See stand-out performances for grades. Oline - Comments on overall performance and Run blocking, Pass blocking and penalties. Raimann - See stand-out performances for grades. Nelson - Above Average (near Good) - Nelson's best game in 5 weeks. Average Run blocking. Great Pass blocking - Clean performance. No penalties. 57 total snaps (31 Pblk, 26 Rblk). Kelly - Above Average - Above Average Run blocking. Below Average Pass blocking - Clean performance, but still his worst performance of the season. No penalties. 34 total snaps (19 Pblk, 15 Rblk). French - Average - Average Run blocking. Good (near Great) Pass blocking - Clean performance, best Pass blocking of the season for French. 1 penalty. 23 total snaps (12 Pblk, 11 Rblk). Fries - Good - Good Run blocking. Average Pass blocking - Gave up 1 Hit. 1 penalty. 56 total snaps (31 Pblk, 25 Rblk). Smith - See stand-out performances for grades. Freeland - Limited snaps (1) WR - Comments on overall performance and Receiver routes, Hands and penalties. Hands comments are based on grades for catchable throws caught and ball security. Downs - See stand-out performances for grades. McKenzie - Good - Above Average Receiving, Good Hands - 4/4 targets caught for 31 yards, ADOT 4.5, YAC/REC 3.3, 1/1 contested targets caught, No missed tackles forced. Average Run Blocking. No penalties. 26 total snaps (15 Rec, 11 Rblk). Pierce - Average - Average Receiving- 1/1 targets caught for 21 yards. ADOT 21. YAC/REC 0.0, 1/1 contested targets caught, No missed tackles forced. Good Run blocking. No penalties. 55 total snaps (31 Rec, 24 Rblk). Pittman - Good - Good Receiving, Good Hands - 8/11 targets caught for 84 yards, ADOT 9.3, YAC/REC 2.5. 0/1 contested targets caught. No missed tackles forced. Below Average Run blocking. 1 penalty. 54 total snaps (29 Rec, 25 Rblk). Winfree - Limited snaps (1) TE - Comments on overall performance and Receiver routes, Hands, Blocking and penalties. Hands comments are based on grades for catchable throws caught and ball security. Cox - Below Average - Bad Receving- 0/1 targets caught, ADOT 14.0. Average Run blocking. Good Pass blocking - Clean performance. No penalties. 34 total snaps (13 Rec, 1 Pblk, 20 Rblk). Ogletree - Good - Great Receiving, Above Average Hands - 1/1 targets caught for 19 yards, ADOT 19.0, YAC/REC 2.0, 0 contested targets, No missed tackles forced. Bad Run blocking. Above Average Pass blocking - Clean performance. No penalties. 23 total snaps (9 Rec, 1 Pblk, 13 Rblk). Granson - Bad - Bad Receiving, Bad Hands - 1/1 targets caught for 5 yards, ADOT 4.0, YAC/REC 1.0, 0 contrested catches, No missed tackles forced. Bad Run blocking. Good Pass blocking - Clean performance. No penalties. 32 total snaps (16 Rec, 1 Pblk, 15 Rblk). Mallory - Average - Average Receiving, Average Hands - 1/2 targets caught for 7 yards, ADOT 3.0, YAC/REC 8.0, 0 contrested catches, No missed tackles forced. Average Run blocking. No penalties. 9 total snaps (5 Rec, 4 Rblk). RB - Comments on overall performance and Run grades, Receiving and Hands. Hands comments are based on grades for catchable throws caught and ball security. Moss - Below Average. Average Running, Average Hands - 1 carries for 2 yards, No missed tackles forced. Average Receiving - 0 targets. Average Run blocking. Good Pass blocking - Clean performance. No penalties. 9 total snaps (3 Rec, 2 Pblk, 1 Run, 3 Rblk). Taylor - Below Average. Average Running, Good Hands - 23 carries for 69 yards, 1 TD, 33 yards after contact (YCO/A 1.43), 2 missed tackles forced. Below Average Receiving, Good Hands - 1/1 targets caught for 6 yards, ADOT 1.0, YAC/REC 5.0, 0 contested targets, 1 missed tackles forced. Average Run blocking. Bad Pass blocking - Gave up 1 Hurry. No penalties. 50 total snaps (23 Rev, 3 Pblk, 23 Run, 1 Rblk). I don't get the Minshew grade, at all. Good performance from the Oline with only Raimann and Smith as stand outs. Downs, Pittman and McKenzie had good games. Ogletree had a good game as the only TE. JT and Moss didn't get it going, but, the Patriots focussed on the run game and it showed. Defense DI - Comments on overall performance and Run defense, Tackling, Passrush, Coverage and penalties. Buckner - Above Average - Bad Run defense. Good Tackling - 5 Tackles, 2 Assists, No missed tackles, 4 Stops. Great Passrush - 1 Sack, 2 Hits and 3 Hurries. No penalties. 47 total snaps (24 Rdef, 23 Prsh). Bryan - Bad - Bad Run defense. Above Average Tackling - 2 Tackles, 1 Stop. Average Passrush - 1 Hurry. No penalties. 22 total snaps (14 Rdef, 8 Prsh). Johnson - Bad - Bad Run defense. Above Average Tackling - 2 Tackles, No missed tackles, 1 Stop. Above Average Passrush - No Sacks, Hits or Hurries. No penalties. 33 total snaps (21 Rdef, 12 Prsh). Adebawore - Bad - Bad Run defense. Bad Tackling - 1 Tackle, 2 missed tackles, No Stop. Average Passrush - 1 Hit. No penalties. 17 total snaps (9 Rdef, 8 Prsh). ED - Comments on overall performance and Run defense, Tackling, Passrush, Coverage and penalties. Martin - Average - Bad Run defense. Above Average Tackling - 1 Assist, No missed tackle, No Stops. Above Average Passrush - 1 Hurries. No penalties. 16 total snaps (10 Rdef, 6 Prsh). Paye - Average - Above Average Run defense. Good Tackling - 1 Tackle, 1 Assist, No missed tackle, 2 Stops. Average Passrush - 1 Sack, 1 Hurry. No penalty. 37 total snaps (17 Rdef, 20 Prsh). Ebukam - Above Average - Good Run defense. Bad Tackling - 3 Tackles, 1 missed tackle, 3 Stops. Below Average Passrush - 3 Hurries. No penalties. 37 total snaps (18 Rdef, 19 Prsh). Lewis - Average - Bad Run defense. Good Tackling - 1 Tackle, No missed tackles, 1 Stop. Good Passrush - 1 Sack, 1 Hit and 1 Hurry. No penalties. 22 total snaps (12 Rdef, 10 Prsh). Odeyingbo - Above Average. Bad Run defense. Good Tackling - 1 Tackle, No missed tackles, 4 Stops. Good Passrush - 3 Sacks. No penalties. 40 total snaps (16 Rdef, 24 Prsh). Land - Limited snaps (8). LB - Comments on overall performance and Run defense, Tackling, Passrush, Coverage and penalties. Speed - Good - Great Run defense. Good Tackling - 3 Tackles, No missed tackle, 1 Stop. Average Passrush - No Sacks, Hits or Hurries. Above Average Coverage - Gave up 1/1 targets for 11 yards (Y/REC 11.0), No Pass breakups. No penalties. 33 total snaps (13 Rdef, Prsh, 19 Cov). Leonard - Bad - Bad Run defense. Bad Tackling - 4 Tackles, 4 Assists, 2 missed tackles, No Stops. No Passrush snaps. Bad Coverage - Gave up 2/2 targets for 26 yards (Y/REC 13.0), No Pass breakups. No penalties. 48 total snaps (31 Rdef, 17 Cov). Franklin - Above Average - Bad Run defense. Above Average Tackling - 13 Tackles, 2 Assists, 1 missed tackle, 3 Stops. No Passrush snaps. Elite Coverage - Gave up 5/7 targets for 40 yards (Y/REC 8.0), No Pass breakups. 1 penalty. 69 total snaps (35 Rdef, 34 Cov). CB - Comments on overall performance and Run defense, Tackling, Passrush, Coverage and penalties. Moore - Bad - Below Average Run defense. Bad Tackling - 4 Tackles, 1 Assist, 1 missed tackle, 1 Stop. Below Average Passrush - No Sacks, Hits or Hurries. Below Average Coverage - Gave up 5/7 targets for 71 yards (Y/REC 14.2), No Pass breakups. No penalties. 69 total snaps (35 Rdef, 3 Prsh, 31 Cov). Jones - Average - Above Average Run defense. Good Tackling - 4 Tackles, No missed tackles, No Stops. No Passrush snaps. Average Coverage - Gave up 3/3 targets for 31 yards (Y/REC 10.3), No Pass breakups. No penalties. 69 total snaps (35 Rdef, 34 Cov). Baker - Good - Above Average Run defense. Good Tackling - 3 Tackles, No missed tackle, No Stops. No Passrush snaps. Good Coverage - Gave up 1/1 targets for 7 yards, No Pass breakups. No penalties. 53 total snaps (22 Rdef, 31 Cov). S - Comments on overall performance and Run defense, Tackling, Passrush, Coverage and penalties. See stand-out performances for grades. See stand-out performances for grades. Cross - Limited snaps (1) All of our DIs had trouble with the run game. Buckner did bring the heat in the passing game though. Decent game by the DEs but some questionable run defense from Martin, Lewis and Dayo. Dayo did have 3 sacks! Leonard had the worst game of his career, which is unfortunate after he saif he wanted more playing time. It's worth noting this is his worst game of the season BY FAR. Speed had a good - his 3rd best of the season. Franklin had his 2nd best game of the season mainly due to elite coverage. Baker had the best game of our CBs. Blackmon and Thomas both had INTs - the INT carried Thomas grades. What's is happening? What a weird game grades-wise. Gardner graded out great. Baker was our best CB and Franklin was elite in coverage. Clearly Minshew evading would be tacklers and completing 3 big plays uplifted a number of grades. False positives, as we were overall stinkaroo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solid84 Posted November 14, 2023 Author Share Posted November 14, 2023 5 minutes ago, throwing BBZ said: Clearly Minshew evading would be tacklers and completing 3 big plays uplifted a number of grades. False positives, as we were overall stinkaroo. I just think it’s weird his decisions to bail from clean pockets hasn’t dinged his grades more. He did that lot against the Pats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sb41champs Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 Outstanding overall information. THANKS FOR SHARING!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solid84 Posted November 14, 2023 Author Share Posted November 14, 2023 17 hours ago, dw49 said: Am I reading something wrong or did Ogletree get a grade in a game he was not active in ? I accidentally included Ogletree’s week 9 grades in the weekly grades - my bad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boondoggle Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 15 hours ago, cbear said: More and more I just don't get PFF. They were always a bit questionable imo, but I don't get their scores and I seem to be saying that more and more. PFF is the opium of the masses. Those who are not skilled enough to see through the veil of ignorance to the truth beneath, and who are not bold enough to venture forth on their own and share their superior knowledge with the serfs who toil in the darkness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1959Colts Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 16 hours ago, cbear said: More and more I just don't get PFF. They were always a bit questionable imo, but I don't get their scores and I seem to be saying that more and more. I appreciate that Solid84 puts the grades here and look forward to seeing what he posts PFF can be a useful tool, if you don't assume their evaluation is absolutely accurate... As none of us really know, how much effort they put in to analyzing each and every player, on every down, in every game. Week in, week out, I watch the Colts game live, then I usually will watch it again on NFL+ replay. where I can pause, rewind, etc. Personally, trust my own two eyes much more than some website, telling me who played well and who played poorly. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKB Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 23 hours ago, Solid84 said: I'm not going to be posting any grades save maybe just a few on stand-out players. I'll try to rank grades as follows: Elite 90+ Great 80-89 Good 70-79 Above Average 65-69 Average 56-64 Below Average 50-55 Bad <50 For reference the baseline grade is 60.0 - the average. To make it easier for me I've made some PFF-grade intervals for each of the above categories (see above). Fewer grades under average because once you get into that area under "Below average" there's not much point in grading it - it's just not good enough. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Stand-out performances week 10: These are premium grades. I'll post links to where they can be found. If you find these PFF grades as interesting as me I highly recommend you subscribe. Julian Blackmon - Overall 82.5 - 69 total snaps (35 Rdef, 34 Cov) - No penalties. (Defense) -- Run defense - 58.7 -- Tackling - 81.6 - 1 missed tackle, 6 Tackles, 1 Assist, 3 Stops. -- Coverage - 82.3 - Gave up 1/4 targets for 9 yards (Y/REC 9.0), 1 INT, 1 Pass breakup. Great game by Blackmon! Josh Downs - Overall 82.3 - 14 (13 Rec, 1 Rblk) - No penalties. (Receiving) -- Receiving - 79.1 - Caught 2/3 targets for 40 yards, ADOT 19.3, YAC/REC 5.0, No missed tackles forced. -- Drops - 68.3 -- Fumbles - 64.0 -- Run blocking - 60.0 Limited snaps, but he still makes a difference! Bernhard Raimann - Overall 82.2 - 57 total snaps (26 Rblk, 31 Pblk) - No penalties. (Blocking) -- Pass blocking - 86.5 - 1 Hurry. -- Run blocking - 75.7 As usual! Mr. reliable! Braden Smith - Overall 80.8 - 56 total snaps (25 Rblk, 31 Pblk) - No penalties. (Blocking) -- Pass blocking - 76.8 - 1 Hurry. -- Run blocking - 80.1 Smith back with a great performance! Rodney Thomas - Overall 80.7 - 69 total snaps (35 Rdef, 1 Prsh, 33 Cov) - No penalties. (Defense) -- Run defense - 36.1 -- Tackling - 29.7 - 1 missed tackle, 2 Tackles. -- Passrush - 59.4 - No Sacks, Hits or Hurries. -- Coverage - 89.4 - Gave up 0/0 targets, 1 INT. Grade carried entirely by his INT. And now, the biggest surprise of all --- drumroll please --- Gardner Minshew - Overall 83.9 - 57 total snaps - No penalties. (Passing) -- Passing - 83.6 - Made 18/28 attempts (64.3% - Adj% 75.0) for 194 yards, YPA 6.9, 1 INT, Big Time Throws 2, No turnover worthy plays, 2 batted passes, 9 dropbacks under pressure (32.14%), Time to throw 3.42. -- Rushing - 57.1 -- Fumble - 78.1 I... what? I mean... what? How? Why? Blackmon has had a good season. Settled in nicely at SS. Rodney Thomas' best performances coincide with his INTs. Without them he's below average to bad. Even with few snaps Downs makes a difference! We got two solid tackles on the roster! I don't know why Minshew's here. Seriously, I'm calling this a mistake by PFF... -------------------------------------------------------------------- Comments on grades for Offense, Defense and ST, week 10 Seeing as the cats out of the bag on week 1-3 grades (my bad), I'll keep them here and make comments on the latest game. Offense - (week3/week2/week 1) (55.2/74.7/53.1) - Overall Offense Week 10 - Good - Bahahaha, what?! (49.3/80.6/49.2) - Passing Week 10 - Great - I want whatever the PFF crew were smoking when they came up with this. (65.3/70.9/68.3) - Pass blocking Week 10 - Good (near Great) - 2nd best performance all season from our big guys up front. (62.3/63.2/57.1) - Reciever routes Week 10 - Above Average - Solid performance from almost everyone. (61.4/67.4/38.8) - Run game Week 10 - Average. The Patriots played the run and it showed. (45.4/82.9/62.3) - Run blocking Week 10 - Good - One of our better run blocking performances. 264 total yards on 57 snaps on offense and the team somehow got a Good grade... how? Defense - (week3/week2/week 1) (57.7/62.3/78.9) - Overall Defense Week 10 - Average - Again, mainly due to excellent coverage this weak. (43.1/74.4/83.4) - Run defense Week 10 - Bad - Worst Run defense of the season by a good margine. (39.0/51.8/66.4) - Tackling Week 10 - Below Average - The teams' achilles heel. (67.4/72.5/73.3) - Passrush Week 10 - Above Average - Another week of solid performance from our front 4 on the Dline. (62.1/50.0/66.2) - Coverage Week 10 - Great - Jones struggled for the Patriots and Blackmon and Thomas had INTs. Best defensive performance of the year! Special Teams - (week3/week2/week 1) (54.7/69.8/78.3) - Special Teams Week 10 - Below Average - Another poor week from the ST unit. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Comments on grades for Players, week 10 Offense QB - Comments on overall performance and Passing and Running Minshew - See stand-out performances for grades. Oline - Comments on overall performance and Run blocking, Pass blocking and penalties. Raimann - See stand-out performances for grades. Nelson - Above Average (near Good) - Nelson's best game in 5 weeks. Average Run blocking. Great Pass blocking - Clean performance. No penalties. 57 total snaps (31 Pblk, 26 Rblk). Kelly - Above Average - Above Average Run blocking. Below Average Pass blocking - Clean performance, but still his worst performance of the season. No penalties. 34 total snaps (19 Pblk, 15 Rblk). French - Average - Average Run blocking. Good (near Great) Pass blocking - Clean performance, best Pass blocking of the season for French. 1 penalty. 23 total snaps (12 Pblk, 11 Rblk). Fries - Good - Good Run blocking. Average Pass blocking - Gave up 1 Hit. 1 penalty. 56 total snaps (31 Pblk, 25 Rblk). Smith - See stand-out performances for grades. Freeland - Limited snaps (1) WR - Comments on overall performance and Receiver routes, Hands and penalties. Hands comments are based on grades for catchable throws caught and ball security. Downs - See stand-out performances for grades. McKenzie - Good - Above Average Receiving, Good Hands - 4/4 targets caught for 31 yards, ADOT 4.5, YAC/REC 3.3, 1/1 contested targets caught, No missed tackles forced. Average Run Blocking. No penalties. 26 total snaps (15 Rec, 11 Rblk). Pierce - Average - Average Receiving- 1/1 targets caught for 21 yards. ADOT 21. YAC/REC 0.0, 1/1 contested targets caught, No missed tackles forced. Good Run blocking. No penalties. 55 total snaps (31 Rec, 24 Rblk). Pittman - Good - Good Receiving, Good Hands - 8/11 targets caught for 84 yards, ADOT 9.3, YAC/REC 2.5. 0/1 contested targets caught. No missed tackles forced. Below Average Run blocking. 1 penalty. 54 total snaps (29 Rec, 25 Rblk). Winfree - Limited snaps (1) TE - Comments on overall performance and Receiver routes, Hands, Blocking and penalties. Hands comments are based on grades for catchable throws caught and ball security. Cox - Below Average - Bad Receving- 0/1 targets caught, ADOT 14.0. Average Run blocking. Good Pass blocking - Clean performance. No penalties. 34 total snaps (13 Rec, 1 Pblk, 20 Rblk). Ogletree - Good - Great Receiving, Above Average Hands - 1/1 targets caught for 19 yards, ADOT 19.0, YAC/REC 2.0, 0 contested targets, No missed tackles forced. Bad Run blocking. Above Average Pass blocking - Clean performance. No penalties. 23 total snaps (9 Rec, 1 Pblk, 13 Rblk). Granson - Bad - Bad Receiving, Bad Hands - 1/1 targets caught for 5 yards, ADOT 4.0, YAC/REC 1.0, 0 contrested catches, No missed tackles forced. Bad Run blocking. Good Pass blocking - Clean performance. No penalties. 32 total snaps (16 Rec, 1 Pblk, 15 Rblk). Mallory - Average - Average Receiving, Average Hands - 1/2 targets caught for 7 yards, ADOT 3.0, YAC/REC 8.0, 0 contrested catches, No missed tackles forced. Average Run blocking. No penalties. 9 total snaps (5 Rec, 4 Rblk). RB - Comments on overall performance and Run grades, Receiving and Hands. Hands comments are based on grades for catchable throws caught and ball security. Moss - Below Average. Average Running, Average Hands - 1 carries for 2 yards, No missed tackles forced. Average Receiving - 0 targets. Average Run blocking. Good Pass blocking - Clean performance. No penalties. 9 total snaps (3 Rec, 2 Pblk, 1 Run, 3 Rblk). Taylor - Below Average. Average Running, Good Hands - 23 carries for 69 yards, 1 TD, 33 yards after contact (YCO/A 1.43), 2 missed tackles forced. Below Average Receiving, Good Hands - 1/1 targets caught for 6 yards, ADOT 1.0, YAC/REC 5.0, 0 contested targets, 1 missed tackles forced. Average Run blocking. Bad Pass blocking - Gave up 1 Hurry. No penalties. 50 total snaps (23 Rev, 3 Pblk, 23 Run, 1 Rblk). I don't get the Minshew grade, at all. Good performance from the Oline with only Raimann and Smith as stand outs. Downs, Pittman and McKenzie had good games. Ogletree had a good game as the only TE. JT and Moss didn't get it going, but, the Patriots focussed on the run game and it showed. Defense DI - Comments on overall performance and Run defense, Tackling, Passrush, Coverage and penalties. Buckner - Above Average - Bad Run defense. Good Tackling - 5 Tackles, 2 Assists, No missed tackles, 4 Stops. Great Passrush - 1 Sack, 2 Hits and 3 Hurries. No penalties. 47 total snaps (24 Rdef, 23 Prsh). Bryan - Bad - Bad Run defense. Above Average Tackling - 2 Tackles, 1 Stop. Average Passrush - 1 Hurry. No penalties. 22 total snaps (14 Rdef, 8 Prsh). Johnson - Bad - Bad Run defense. Above Average Tackling - 2 Tackles, No missed tackles, 1 Stop. Above Average Passrush - No Sacks, Hits or Hurries. No penalties. 33 total snaps (21 Rdef, 12 Prsh). Adebawore - Bad - Bad Run defense. Bad Tackling - 1 Tackle, 2 missed tackles, No Stop. Average Passrush - 1 Hit. No penalties. 17 total snaps (9 Rdef, 8 Prsh). ED - Comments on overall performance and Run defense, Tackling, Passrush, Coverage and penalties. Martin - Average - Bad Run defense. Above Average Tackling - 1 Assist, No missed tackle, No Stops. Above Average Passrush - 1 Hurries. No penalties. 16 total snaps (10 Rdef, 6 Prsh). Paye - Average - Above Average Run defense. Good Tackling - 1 Tackle, 1 Assist, No missed tackle, 2 Stops. Average Passrush - 1 Sack, 1 Hurry. No penalty. 37 total snaps (17 Rdef, 20 Prsh). Ebukam - Above Average - Good Run defense. Bad Tackling - 3 Tackles, 1 missed tackle, 3 Stops. Below Average Passrush - 3 Hurries. No penalties. 37 total snaps (18 Rdef, 19 Prsh). Lewis - Average - Bad Run defense. Good Tackling - 1 Tackle, No missed tackles, 1 Stop. Good Passrush - 1 Sack, 1 Hit and 1 Hurry. No penalties. 22 total snaps (12 Rdef, 10 Prsh). Odeyingbo - Above Average. Bad Run defense. Good Tackling - 1 Tackle, No missed tackles, 4 Stops. Good Passrush - 3 Sacks. No penalties. 40 total snaps (16 Rdef, 24 Prsh). Land - Limited snaps (8). LB - Comments on overall performance and Run defense, Tackling, Passrush, Coverage and penalties. Speed - Good - Great Run defense. Good Tackling - 3 Tackles, No missed tackle, 1 Stop. Average Passrush - No Sacks, Hits or Hurries. Above Average Coverage - Gave up 1/1 targets for 11 yards (Y/REC 11.0), No Pass breakups. No penalties. 33 total snaps (13 Rdef, Prsh, 19 Cov). Leonard - Bad - Bad Run defense. Bad Tackling - 4 Tackles, 4 Assists, 2 missed tackles, No Stops. No Passrush snaps. Bad Coverage - Gave up 2/2 targets for 26 yards (Y/REC 13.0), No Pass breakups. No penalties. 48 total snaps (31 Rdef, 17 Cov). Franklin - Above Average - Bad Run defense. Above Average Tackling - 13 Tackles, 2 Assists, 1 missed tackle, 3 Stops. No Passrush snaps. Elite Coverage - Gave up 5/7 targets for 40 yards (Y/REC 8.0), No Pass breakups. 1 penalty. 69 total snaps (35 Rdef, 34 Cov). CB - Comments on overall performance and Run defense, Tackling, Passrush, Coverage and penalties. Moore - Bad - Below Average Run defense. Bad Tackling - 4 Tackles, 1 Assist, 1 missed tackle, 1 Stop. Below Average Passrush - No Sacks, Hits or Hurries. Below Average Coverage - Gave up 5/7 targets for 71 yards (Y/REC 14.2), No Pass breakups. No penalties. 69 total snaps (35 Rdef, 3 Prsh, 31 Cov). Jones - Average - Above Average Run defense. Good Tackling - 4 Tackles, No missed tackles, No Stops. No Passrush snaps. Average Coverage - Gave up 3/3 targets for 31 yards (Y/REC 10.3), No Pass breakups. No penalties. 69 total snaps (35 Rdef, 34 Cov). Baker - Good - Above Average Run defense. Good Tackling - 3 Tackles, No missed tackle, No Stops. No Passrush snaps. Good Coverage - Gave up 1/1 targets for 7 yards, No Pass breakups. No penalties. 53 total snaps (22 Rdef, 31 Cov). S - Comments on overall performance and Run defense, Tackling, Passrush, Coverage and penalties. See stand-out performances for grades. See stand-out performances for grades. Cross - Limited snaps (1) All of our DIs had trouble with the run game. Buckner did bring the heat in the passing game though. Decent game by the DEs but some questionable run defense from Martin, Lewis and Dayo. Dayo did have 3 sacks! Leonard had the worst game of his career, which is unfortunate after he saif he wanted more playing time. It's worth noting this is his worst game of the season BY FAR. Speed had a good - his 3rd best of the season. Franklin had his 2nd best game of the season mainly due to elite coverage. Baker had the best game of our CBs. Blackmon and Thomas both had INTs - the INT carried Thomas grades. What's is happening? What a weird game grades-wise. Gardner graded out great. Baker was our best CB and Franklin was elite in coverage. ur doing the board a real service by posting this each week man. if i could swear i would while congratulating you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbear Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 1 hour ago, Boondoggle said: PFF is the opium of the masses. Those who are not skilled enough to see through the veil of ignorance to the truth beneath, and who are not bold enough to venture forth on their own and share their superior knowledge with the serfs who toil in the darkness. Lord of the Rings fan? 😄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbear Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 1 hour ago, 1959Colts said: I appreciate that Solid84 puts the grades here and look forward to seeing what he posts PFF can be a useful tool, if you don't assume their evaluation is absolutely accurate... As none of us really know, how much effort they put in to analyzing each and every player, on every down, in every game. Week in, week out, I watch the Colts game live, then I usually will watch it again on NFL+ replay. where I can pause, rewind, etc. Personally, trust my own two eyes much more than some website, telling me who played well and who played poorly. I do the samething. I don't pretend to be an expert, but I'll trust my own two eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boondoggle Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 4 hours ago, cbear said: Lord of the Rings fan? 😄 Are you accusing me of LARPing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbear Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 18 minutes ago, Boondoggle said: Are you accusing me of LARPing. No, but that actually looks fun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasyE Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 These PFF score things are confusing... Is my Colts doing good or not??? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defjamz26 Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 I can safely say that I don’t see Leonard being on this team in 2024. All of us that watched the game saw how bad he was, but those grades confirm what the eye test showed. Doesn’t matter if it’s scheme or him just being washed because of injuries, he isn’t playing up to his contract at all. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2006Coltsbestever Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 12 hours ago, EasyE said: These PFF score things are confusing... Is my Colts doing good or not??? I personally have never been a fan of things like PFF, Passer rating, or QBR. All of those are simply flawed. If anyone has watched football for at least 30 years, they know who is better than who if they have a great football mind. Who has the leadership, who makes his team better, who comes through in the clutch, who wins, EYE TEST. None of those things are measured on any made-up formula statistical measure. I have been watching since the 1977 season, so that gives me 47 seasons of knowledge . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
husker61 Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 2 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said: I personally have never been a fan of things like PFF, QB rating, or QBR. All of those are simply flawed. If anyone has watched football for at least 30 years, they know who is better than who if they have a great football mind. Who has the leadership, who makes his team better, who comes through in the clutch, who wins, EYE TEST. None of those things are measured on any made-up formula statistical measure. I have been watching since the 1977 season, so that gives me 47 seasons of knowledge . i completely agree with you! So why would you say that Levi’s had an awful game and just post his stats from the last game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2006Coltsbestever Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 Just now, husker61 said: i completely agree with you! So why would you say that Levi’s had an awful game and just post his stats from the last game? Because stats are still important to a point, they just aren't everything and don't tell the whole story. You can't just totally dismiss stats if a QB throws INT's or fumbles costing his team. I just thought his stats at Pitt weren't that good hence that post. The real reason why I posted that I thought Levis played average was because of his final 2 drives. The drive before the INT, he had a great chance to take Tennessee down for a winning drive. Milk the clock way down starting from the 48 and they went 4 and out. That drive bothered me more than his last drive. He had hurry on his last drive so mistakes happen. I never said he played bad, I said average. If you by the stats, it looked bad. I did take into account he made some tough good completions, and he is a rookie. He also took a lot of hits. So that is where stats are a non-factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColtV Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 1 hour ago, 2006Coltsbestever said: I personally have never been a fan of things like PFF, Passer rating, or QBR. All of those are simply flawed. If anyone has watched football for at least 30 years, they know who is better than who if they have a great football mind. Who has the leadership, who makes his team better, who comes through in the clutch, who wins, EYE TEST. None of those things are measured on any made-up formula statistical measure. I have been watching since the 1977 season, so that gives me 47 seasons of knowledge . In general I agree they all have serious flaws. Tenured fans on this board may remember pff scoring was practically dismissed during Quentin Nelson's rookie year because he was receiving so many mediocre grades! I think they have they all have their uses(including eye test) but no single method should be relied on completely. But to echo a previous post, I appreciate the grades being posted, makes re-watches interesting. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2006Coltsbestever Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 24 minutes ago, ColtV said: In general I agree they all have serious flaws. Tenured fans on this board may remember pff scoring was practically dismissed during Quentin Nelson's rookie year because he was receiving so many mediocre grades! I think they have they all have their uses(including eye test) but no single method should be relied on completely. But to echo a previous post, I appreciate the grades being posted, makes re-watches interesting. It's hard to explain in writing, because I can't talk about it in person. Stats are meaningful and do show things, but they aren't the tell all. For example, what if a QB throws for 300 yards, 3 TD's, and only 1 INT but that INT cost his team points, or he fails to score on his final drive to win the game. Then the opposing QB only throws 215 yards, 2 TD's, and 1 meaningless INT but wins the game based on being smarter in certain situations. The 1st QB will have a higher Passer rating and QBR which is where it is flawed. I can come up with 100's examples like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solid84 Posted November 15, 2023 Author Share Posted November 15, 2023 So, I’ll add my opinion about PFF. I value PFF a great deal. It’s not the end all be all, but I’ll take the opinion of a professional crew who watch every single play of every single player over the “eye test” of fans who generally just remember stand-out plays (good or bad). Fans tend to focus on the result of a play instead of what an individual player added to the play. I’ve used AR’s first TD pass to Pittman as an example before. AR threw laterally to Pittman for 6-8 yards as a screen pass and then Pittman did all the work. But, the statsheet shows AR 1/1 for 36 yards and a TD. But again, it’s not the end all be all. I like their methodology, but I don’t always agree with what their algorithms spit out. I VERY much disagree with Minshew’s grade this week for instance. I think his decisions to run from clean pockets on non-designed plays should be dinged much harder in the passing grade. Also, if a person had studied the all-22 and formed an opinion vastly different than PFF I’d definitely take it serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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