Per Irsay: AR OUT for SEASON

[csmopar]

I’ll say this, it does worry me about his shoulder long term. 
 

enough to where I wonder if we end up with a top 5/7 draft pick in this QB class, depending who’s there of course, do you take one and have him and AR compete it out? Yeah, that’s two QBs back to back first round, but they’d be on cheap contracts and it would give you a back up plan.

 

not endorsing this concept by any means simple because we need a game changer at WR  regardless and that is my preference if we end up with a high pick. 
 

and I’ll say, Caleb Williams starting to give me mixed feelings. Mostly with his attitude, demanding part ownership from any team that drafts him. Not only is that not allowed,  but that’s crazy 

[will426]

Draft him weapons we finally got us a young guy..ether he’s the one or not give him the weapons to succeed along with coaching  now if he can’t carry the team with weapons while being one himself thennnn on to the next 

[shakedownstreet]

Ballard should already have Carson Wentz on speed dial...

[IndyD4U]

I have absolutely no medical knowledge whatsoever but I’m not concerned about his recovery or throwing mechanics afterwords since the procedure doesn’t involve the actual shoulder joint, etc

[Jason_]

3 hours ago, csmopar said:

and I’ll say, Caleb Williams starting to give me mixed feelings. Mostly with his attitude, demanding part ownership from any team that drafts him. Not only is that not allowed,  but that’s crazy 

 

https://fansided.com/posts/caleb-williams-nfl-draft-ownership-rumor-impossible

 

sample quote:

 

"The report in question regarding Caleb Williams was simply that he was interested but that the NFL had ruled that players (among others) are not eligible to have ownership stakes in a team. Thus, there is literally no chance that the QB still wants that because, by the league's newly stated rules, it is actually not allowed."

 

Don't know if this is true, but logically it makes far more sense than Williams is demanding something he literally cannot have.

[2006Coltsbestever]

21 hours ago, RollerColt said:

He also went snowboarding...

 

Please for the love of God someone keep Anthony away from any winter resorts...

Nah, AR will go Wakeboarding instead 

[RollerColt]

3 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Nah, AR will go Wakeboarding instead 

[2006Coltsbestever]

3 hours ago, csmopar said:

I’ll say this, it does worry me about his shoulder long term. 
 

enough to where I wonder if we end up with a top 5/7 draft pick in this QB class, depending who’s there of course, do you take one and have him and AR compete it out? Yeah, that’s two QBs back to back first round, but they’d be on cheap contracts and it would give you a back up plan.

 

not endorsing this concept by any means simple because we need a game changer at WR  regardless and that is my preference if we end up with a high pick. 
 

and I’ll say, Caleb Williams starting to give me mixed feelings. Mostly with his attitude, demanding part ownership from any team that drafts him. Not only is that not allowed,  but that’s crazy 

This the 1st year in a while where I have watched college football closely. I used to watch it all the time in the 80's and 90's and really up until we drafted we Luck. I will say this with a straight face, I have watched several games from the Pac-12 and Caleb doesn't look as good as Michael Penix or Bo Nix. I am not saying those guys will be better Pro's but they have looked better from a passing point in a Pro Style offense even. Washington and Oregon both look like Pro teams with those guys at QB.

[csmopar]

26 minutes ago, J@son said:

 

https://fansided.com/posts/caleb-williams-nfl-draft-ownership-rumor-impossible

 

sample quote:

 

"The report in question regarding Caleb Williams was simply that he was interested but that the NFL had ruled that players (among others) are not eligible to have ownership stakes in a team. Thus, there is literally no chance that the QB still wants that because, by the league's newly stated rules, it is actually not allowed."

 

Don't know if this is true, but logically it makes far more sense than Williams is demanding something he literally cannot have.

It’s also been reported that he only

Wants 5 teams, all of which are west coast, or he’ll sit out and not sign. Basically pulling an Eli

19 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

This the 1st year in a while where I have watched college football closely. I used to watch it all the time in the 80's and 90's and really up until we drafted we Luck. I will say this with a straight face, I have watched several games from the Pac-12 and Caleb doesn't look as good as Michael Penix or Bo Nix. I am not saying those guys will be better Pro's but they have looked better from a passing point in a Pro Style offense even. Washington and Oregon both look like Pro teams with those guys at QB.

I wasn’t gonna go there but I agree. I get Bo Callahan visions watching Caleb play 

[csmopar]

33 minutes ago, shakedownstreet said:

Ballard should already have Carson Wentz on speed dial...

I’d sooner call Curtis painter 

[Jason_]

2 minutes ago, csmopar said:

It’s also been reported that he only

Wants 5 teams, all of which are west coast, or he’ll sit out and not sign. Basically pulling an Eli

 

another possible rumor that got out of control?  I have no idea.  I don't pay any attention to these type of "reports" anymore because most of the time they turn out to be exaggerated or flat out wrong.  Teams will figure that stuff out leading up to draft time so I pay no attention and let them try to figure it out. 

[csmopar]

Just now, J@son said:

 

another possible rumor that got out of control?  I have no idea.  I don't pay any attention to these type of "reports" anymore because most of the time they turn out to be exaggerated or flat out wrong.  Teams will figure that stuff out leading up to draft time so I pay no attention and let them try to figure it out. 

The 5 teams or he’d sit was a video interview done with his local college sports caster. 

[Jason_]

10 minutes ago, csmopar said:

The 5 teams or he’d sit was a video interview done with his local college sports caster. 

 

so then, 

Quote

 

It’s also been reported that he only

Wants 5 teams, all of which are west coast, or he’ll sit out and not sign

 

 

might have been more clear (and more accurate) if you'd said something like, "there's also a video interview of him where he says..." rather than "it's been reported that...."

 

;)

[2006Coltsbestever]

26 minutes ago, csmopar said:

It’s also been reported that he only

Wants 5 teams, all of which are west coast, or he’ll sit out and not sign. Basically pulling an Eli

I wasn’t gonna go there but I agree. I get Bo Callahan visions watching Caleb play 

I am not saying Caleb won't be a good Pro, maybe even a great Pro but to me he hasn't look as good as good as Penix or Nix. There have been some that say Caleb is the best QB they have ever seen on a college level. I don't agree with that at all. Andrew Luck, Deshawn Watson, Joe Burrow, and Trevor Lawrence all looked better in college going by recent QB's. Almost every time that Caleb has went up a great defense, he has looked average. I can even go back to the Utah games last year and ND game last week was a disaster. Wait until he plays Washington and Oregon.

[csmopar]

16 minutes ago, J@son said:

 

so then, 

 

might have been more clear (and more accurate) if you'd said something like, "there's also a video interview of him where he says..." rather than "it's been reported that...."

 

😉

My apologies. I will try to be more clear.

 

i just have concerns with a young man who’s obviously very very high on himself, warranted or not, as they typically end up busting out. We’ve seen it time and time again. To me, it’s enough to give me pause if I were a Gm, which I’m not. 

[DougDew]

I’m not concerned about ars long term future (relative to this shoulder injury). It sounds like something that could heal back to normal function over time, so it’s not really a functionally limiting injury 

 

The surgery sounds like it’s being done to help the healing process and to secure the shoulder better to prevent future injury 

 

I think the chances of him not fully recovering is pretty low.   
 

I would not look to draft a top qb

 

[csmopar]

7 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

I am not saying Caleb won't be a good Pro, maybe even a great Pro but to me he hasn't look as good as good as Penix or Nix. There have been some that say Caleb is the best QB they have ever seen on a college level. I don't agree with that at all. Andrew Luck, Deshawn Watson, Joe Burrow, and Trevor Lawrence all looked better in college going by recent QB's. Almost every time that Caleb has went up a great defense, he has looked average. I can even go back to the Utah games last year and ND game last week was a disaster. Wait until he plays Washington and Oregon.

Neither am I. I’m just saying I don’t think he’s as perfect and complete as the hype for two years says.

[csmopar]

Just now, DougDew said:

I’m not concerned about ars long term future (relative to this shoulder injury). It sounds like something that could heal back to normal function over time, so it’s not really a functionally limiting injury 

 

The surgery sounds like it’s being done to help the healing process and to secure the shoulder better to prevent future injury 

 

I think the chances of this being a problem next year is pretty low.   
 

I would not look to draft a top qb

 

I really hope he comes back better and smarter than ever. I really have been impressed and I was against this draft choice all the way back to January last year. But he’s winning me over slowly but surely

[2006Coltsbestever]

Just now, DougDew said:

I’m not concerned about ars long term future (relative to this shoulder injury). It sounds like something that could heal back to normal function over time, so it’s not really a functionally limiting injury 

 

The surgery sounds like it’s being done to help the healing process and to secure the shoulder better to prevent future injury 

 

I think the chances of this being a problem next year is pretty low.   
 

I would not look to draft a top qb

 

Only concern I really have is, can AR stay healthy for at least a nice stretch of games. I think everyone is probably concerned about that though  .

2 minutes ago, csmopar said:

Neither am I. I’m just saying I don’t think he’s as perfect and complete as the hype for two years says.

I agree.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

5 hours ago, csmopar said:

I’ll say this, it does worry me about his shoulder long term. 
 

enough to where I wonder if we end up with a top 5/7 draft pick in this QB class, depending who’s there of course, do you take one and have him and AR compete it out? Yeah, that’s two QBs back to back first round, but they’d be on cheap contracts and it would give you a back up plan.

 

not endorsing this concept by any means simple because we need a game changer at WR  regardless and that is my preference if we end up with a high pick. 
 

and I’ll say, Caleb Williams starting to give me mixed feelings. Mostly with his attitude, demanding part ownership from any team that drafts him. Not only is that not allowed,  but that’s crazy 

Why does it make you nervous? This isn’t that big of a injury. Sure something could go wrong but this isn’t a labrum that is more serious. 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

 

[Superman]

6 hours ago, csmopar said:

I’ll say this, it does worry me about his shoulder long term. 

 

I'm not trying to ignore the potential for problems moving forward, but I think this kind of shoulder injury is less problematic than a a labrum, rotator cuff, or clavicle injury. I've been doing some reading and watching some videos to get a better understanding, and there's a lot I don't know or understand and probably never will. But it seems like grade 3 AC joint sprain repair and recovery are relatively simple. And he's young and strong.

 

That said, it's the throwing shoulder for a QB who's most impressive trait is his arm strength, so it's appropriate to be nervous. 

 

I'll predict right now that sometime around June/July, we'll be hearing stories about Richardson's arm being even stronger than it was before. With a dedicated rehab and him working with some specialists, he might be able to squeeze even more life out of that arm than he already had. 

[csmopar]

6 hours ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

Why does it make you nervous? This isn’t that big of an injury. Sure something could go wrong but this isn’t a labrum that is more serious. 

It’s the second injury of the thing in his throwing shoulder 

[a06cc]

1 hour ago, csmopar said:

It’s the second injury of the thing in his throwing shoulder 

I’m with you as this was the second time. I was also looking at his knee. That may be an issue as well down the road 

[2006Coltsbestever]

You guys worry too much. I call it Andrew Luck PTSD. 

[GoColts8818]

8 hours ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

Why does it make you nervous? This isn’t that big of an injury. Sure something could go wrong but this isn’t a labrum that is more serious. 

Anytime you cut on your franchise QB’s throwing shoulder it makes me nervous.  Doesn’t mean I am predicting doom and gloom but I think most people get concerned at the idea of cutting on your franchise QB’s shoulder regardless of the reason.

[csmopar]

10 hours ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

You guys worry too much. I call it Andrew Luck PTSD. 

Very possible. I won’t deny that I’m worried similar will happen with AR. Not that he’ll retire in such manner just that he’ll be banged up constantly and end up with a short career or busting out of the league because of those injury 

[RollerColt]

19 hours ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

Why does it make you nervous? This isn’t that big of a injury. Sure something could go wrong but this isn’t a labrum that is more serious. 

Just going to say, even minor surgeries have their risks. I lost a good friend who passed away from complications of a minor surgery... Things happen. 

 

20 hours ago, DougDew said:

I’m not concerned about ars long term future (relative to this shoulder injury). It sounds like something that could heal back to normal function over time, so it’s not really a functionally limiting injury 

 

The surgery sounds like it’s being done to help the healing process and to secure the shoulder better to prevent future injury 

 

I think the chances of him not fully recovering is pretty low.   
 

I would not look to draft a top qb

 

I agree with you. I think most agree with you on here and expect Anthony to have at least 3 years of patience. Hey at least he wasn't Zach Wilson bad in his 4 games this season. And come to think of it, look how Wilson is doing. He's no Rodgers, but he's better! 

 

I think this organization over most of its history has shown to be patient with it's staff and QBs. 

[FanFromtheWasteland]

4 hours ago, RollerColt said:

I think this organization over most of its history has shown to be patient with it's staff and QBs. 

Good or bad, yes they have, sometimes past the limit of us fans

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

18 hours ago, csmopar said:

It’s the second injury of the thing in his throwing shoulder 

Which is why they are surgically repairing it. So it can’t happen again.

[coming on strong]

i have seen enough of richardson to believe if he stays healthy he is gonna be a true franchise guy .     its sounds bad but i hope the colts get a high draft pick next year .    we can do what the bengals did when burrow went down his rookie year . get a true number 1 wr like marvin harrison jr and pair him with pittman as a true number 2 guy .    i think the line is fine out side of fries and add another corner with a high 2nd round draft pick .  minshew is not good and there is no point trying to make the playoffs with him . i care about the next ten years not this year .

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

6 minutes ago, coming on strong said:

i have seen enough of richardson to believe if he stays healthy he is gonna be a true franchise guy .     its sounds bad but i hope the colts get a high draft pick next year .    we can do what the bengals did when burrow went down his rookie year . get a true number 1 wr like marvin harrison jr and pair him with pittman as a true number 2 guy .    i think the line is fine out side of fries and add another corner with a high 2nd round draft pick .  minshew is not good and there is no point trying to make the playoffs with him . i care about the next ten years not this year .

Are we just going to keep saying this every year when something doesn’t go right. Most fans are tired of hoping for a higher draft pick and waiting again. It’s time to start winning. 

[coming on strong]

3 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

Are we just going to keep saying this every year when something doesn’t go right. Most fans are tired of hoping for a higher draft pick and waiting again. It’s time to start winning. 

if we had richardson playing i would agree but with a back up QB  its just not possible .   i only said it last year because we needed a QB and this year because our QB is injured .   next year that changes

[RollerColt]

43 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

Are we just going to keep saying this every year when something doesn’t go right. Most fans are tired of hoping for a higher draft pick and waiting again. It’s time to start winning. 

That’s not how football works. 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

2 minutes ago, RollerColt said:

That’s not how football works. 

I am done with excuses now we have a QB. Wishing year after year for a higher draft pick is just loser  mentality.  At some point excuses have to go out the door and it’s time to just win.

[RollerColt]

2 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

I am done with excuses now we have a QB. Wishing year after year for a higher draft pick is just loser  mentality.  At some point excuses have to go out the door and it’s time to just win.

You’re once again setting yourself for disappointment. 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

6 minutes ago, RollerColt said:

You’re once again setting yourself for disappointment. 

No because I already don’t expect them to win many games this year. There is a difference not being good enough and hoping to lose for a draft pick.

[RollerColt]

5 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

No because I already don’t expect them to win many games this year. There is a difference not being good enough and hoping to lose for a draft pick.

People can do what they want. It’s not like our opinions have an effect on the game. I can assure you Steichen is doing everything in his power to win football games regardless who’s at QB. 

[BProland85]

1 hour ago, coming on strong said:

i have seen enough of richardson to believe if he stays healthy he is gonna be a true franchise guy .     its sounds bad but i hope the colts get a high draft pick next year .    we can do what the bengals did when burrow went down his rookie year . get a true number 1 wr like marvin harrison jr and pair him with pittman as a true number 2 guy .    i think the line is fine out side of fries and add another corner with a high 2nd round draft pick .  minshew is not good and there is no point trying to make the playoffs with him . i care about the next ten years not this year .

Could not agree more. Totally on board with a down year especially after losing both Richardson and Big Grove. Get a top #1 WR for Richardson in the draft next year along with another starting CB early in the draft to go with Brents. Then in free agency add some depth on the OL and maybe a difference maker at safety. 

[IanColts22]

AR health comes first.  It just sucks that he loses a whole season to develop into a franchise QB.  AR played 13 college games Im just worried that this surgery is gonna set his development back so far that he won't be able to come back from it.  I hope and pray i'm wrong