Colts have 4th pick (Official Discussion Thread)

[chad72]

32 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

Saw something wild today. Ravens trade Lamar to Atlanta and ravens then use those  extra 2 firsts to move up in this years draft for a QB LOL.

 

While I understand wanting to see more from Ridder on a rookie contract and seeing what he can do, it would be mighty tempting, especially if the Ravens do a non-exclusive franchise tag for Lamar paying him $32 million. That would mean he can talk to other teams and the Ravens have a right to match.

 

Then, they get 2 first rounders from the other team if they can't match the other team's contract offer but will give the impression to the whole league that they let him gauge the free market and didn't hold him hostage with the non-exclusive tag which would pay him $45 million to play under the tag for a year without being able to talk to other teams (oh, such a small amount for a year, I pity Lamar, not).

 

It is a difficult predicament, one the Cardinals found themselves in, abandoning ship on Josh Rosen, a 1st rounder and going with Kyler Murray in Round 1 the next year. Ridder is just a 3rd rounder with potential, just like any other rookie QB in this draft. However, given a strong 2024 QB class, both the Falcons and Bucs are likely to go with Ridder and Trask to see what they have in them before deciding if they want to change course the following year. Bucs however are in cap hell thanks to pushing Brady's money to the future, which they knew will happen. However, the Falcons are flush with cap space, otherwise they wouldn't even be linked to Lamar.

[Bearzzz]

56 minutes ago, richard pallo said:

Two firsts is the going rate I’m afraid. This years and next years not 2025.  If Ballard can get them to take a premium player in lieu of next year’s first he is GM of the year.

Not necessarily, Colts would be offering the 4th overall pick which is pretty high on the trade value chart. Not sure how future picks are factored in on the trade value chart.

[OffensivelyPC]

13 hours ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

Seems plausible.

 

 

What's funny (maybe ironic funny? I always misuse irony), is I saw Eberflus on the Rich Eisen show and I got the sense that they definitely wanted to keep Fields but that they're "exploring options" with the #1 pick.  And Rich Eisen and his crew were having the conversation on a prior recent show about how it makes so much sense to trade Fields to Houston and get a QB on a fresh new rookie contract and the #2 pick to boot.

 

I dunno how much sense that makes.  But if they're not sold on Fields, the math of it all makes sense.  But this tweet makes me think teams are not interested in Fields and believe that there's no earthly way the Bears take a QB which essentially means the NFL Draft most valuable pick is the #2 pick.  Either that or the Bears asking price for the #1 overall is just too rich.

 

That's all speculation, but the closer the Bears get to being on the clock, the price will get higher.  

 

[chad72]

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/lamar-jackson-update-ravens-ozzie-newsome-says-franchise-tag-to-be-used-on-qb-tuesday-if-no-deal-gets-done/#:~:text=Per ESPN%2C Baltimore is planning,power to match the offer.

 

Ravens will place non-exclusive franchise tag on Lamar, most likely. It does allow him to negotiate with other teams. That will be very interesting, get your popcorn ready.  

[richard pallo]

36 minutes ago, OffensivelyPC said:

What's funny (maybe ironic funny? I always misuse irony), is I saw Eberflus on the Rich Eisen show and I got the sense that they definitely wanted to keep Fields but that they're "exploring options" with the #1 pick.  And Rich Eisen and his crew were having the conversation on a prior recent show about how it makes so much sense to trade Fields to Houston and get a QB on a fresh new rookie contract and the #2 pick to boot.

 

I dunno how much sense that makes.  But if they're not sold on Fields, the math of it all makes sense.  But this tweet makes me think teams are not interested in Fields and believe that there's no earthly way the Bears take a QB which essentially means the NFL Draft most valuable pick is the #2 pick.  Either that or the Bears asking price for the #1 overall is just too rich.

 

That's all speculation, but the closer the Bears get to being on the clock, the price will get higher.  

 

I wonder what the Bears would do if we offered them our 1st pick and Defo for Fields.  That would give them pick 1 and 4 in the 1st round and Defo to start at the 3T.  Straight out reject it?  Think of what they could do with those picks.  Certainly start out with a quarterback they chose instead of inherited.  That are a last place team right now as it is.  I would love to see Ballard poke the Bear with that one.  lol

[tweezy32]

3 minutes ago, richard pallo said:

I wonder what the Bears would do if we offered them our 1st pick and Defo for Fields.  That would give them pick 1 and 4 in the 1st round and Defo to start at the 3T.  Straight out reject it?  Think of what they could do with those picks.  Certainly start out with a quarterback they chose instead of inherited.  That are a last place team right now as it is.  I would love to see Ballard poke the Bear with that one.  lol

id rather keep defo and our 1st and jut pick a better qb in the draft.

[ADnum1]

4 hours ago, cdgacoltsfan said:

Duggan=Ehlinger.

Bennett=Fromm

 

The Bennett to Fromm comparison is not accurate.

 

Fromm was not as mobile and more of a pocket passer.

 

Bennett is fast and mobile and can make plays with his feet.

 

Fromm was a very accurate thrower if he had a clean pocket.

 

To me the better comparison is

 

Fromm = Stroud

 

Both have equivalent arm strength and are accurate.  They both have limited mobility.

 

Also Kirby Smart and Todd Monken (the new Ravens OC) said to run the WC offense effectively you have to have mobility to take full advantage of RPO's, Keepers and Bootlegs.  Thats why Bennett is so good at running the WC offense.

[Stephen]

1 hour ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

Saw something wild today. Ravens trade Lamar to Atlanta and ravens then use those  extra 2 firsts to move up in this years draft for a QB LOL.

I could see ravens trading up for Richardson

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

 

[Bearzzz]

4 minutes ago, richard pallo said:

I wonder what the Bears would do if we offered them our 1st pick and Defo for Fields.  That would give them pick 1 and 4 in the 1st round and Defo to start at the 3T.  Straight out reject it?  Think of what they could do with those picks.  Certainly start out with a quarterback they chose instead of inherited.  That are a last place team right now as it is.  I would love to see Ballard poke the Bear with that one.  lol

Can't speak for the GM but I personally would not take that trade offer. I may be in the minority but I think Fields has the potential to be special. For a 5 week window last year, they led the NFL in scoring. This is with nothing around Fields. Buckner is a great player but he will also be on the wrong side of 30 when the team starts to matter. 

[Stephen]

16 minutes ago, richard pallo said:

I wonder what the Bears would do if we offered them our 1st pick and Defo for Fields.  That would give them pick 1 and 4 in the 1st round and Defo to start at the 3T.  Straight out reject it?  Think of what they could do with those picks.  Certainly start out with a quarterback they chose instead of inherited.  That are a last place team right now as it is.  I would love to see Ballard poke the Bear with that one.  lol

That is a bad deal for us. The bears would make out like bandits

[OffensivelyPC]

9 minutes ago, richard pallo said:

I wonder what the Bears would do if we offered them our 1st pick and Defo for Fields.  That would give them pick 1 and 4 in the 1st round and Defo to start at the 3T.  Straight out reject it?  Think of what they could do with those picks.  Certainly start out with a quarterback they chose instead of inherited.  That are a last place team right now as it is.  I would love to see Ballard poke the Bear with that one.  lol

I would prefer to keep Buckner, personally.  I also hope they keep Fields so Houston has their choice at QB.  Texans will blow it anyway

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

Stroud didn’t just shine on the field but off it as well in his interviews, and even in between them. A quick story: Early in the week in Indy, Stroud was amid other prospects in the speed dating circuit of formal interviews, being escorted from one suite to another inside Lucas Oil Stadium to meet with front office folks, coaches and scouts. Then he spotted a familiar face, an NFL team staffer he recognized from a recruiting trip he took to a school he didn’t attend.

Even though the guy wasn’t one of the coaches who actually had been a point person in his recruitment, Stroud not only remembered him, he also remembered his now 12-year-old son who he’d met on a recruiting trip four years ago. He even asked to FaceTime with the kid right then and there and proceeded to laugh it up with his little buddy like he was the kid’s uncle. So much for combine jitters.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

Such a good point.

 

 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

Hmm. I don’t think they would draft young or stroud and sit them.

 

 

[krunk]

Im going to say it again if i didnt say it before. We will get our mojo back quite quickly if we get Stroud. Take Stroud over the so called potential. Hes got the Arm, the character, the leadership, the size,  not a statue, and hes plenty right from the neck up. Kids got easy ability to get people to trust and like him. Not much to worry about with that pick. Build around something with plenty of proof and production behind it.

[Superman]

3 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

Hmm. I don’t think they would draft young or stroud and sit them.

 

 

 

In other words, "tell the Bears we're not selling the farm to move up to #1, we'll sit back and draft Hendon Hooker or Stetson Bennett if we have to." 

 

2 minutes ago, krunk said:

Im going to say it again if i didnt say it before. We will get our mojo back quite quickly if we get Stroud. Take Stroud over the so called potential. Hes got the Arm, the character, the leadership, the size,  not a statue, and hes plenty right from the neck up. Not much to worry about with that pick.

 

Would you trade up to #1 for Stroud? 

[Two_pound]

Heck, that could be Richardson.

[richard pallo]

I think Carolina is going to jump us and move to at least 3rd.  Reich is going to want to start his tenure in Carolina with his guy.  He’s an aggressive coach.  If Ballard wants to move to 1st or 3rd he should do it asap imo.

[Moosejawcolt]

8 hours ago, Zoltan said:

Is Ryan Poles doing a media tour because everywhere I look he’s talking about how expensive it’s gonna be to move up. 

Hea coming across as being very amateurish.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

6 minutes ago, Superman said:

 

In other words, "tell the Bears we're not selling the farm to move up to #1, we'll sit back and draft Hendon Hooker or Stetson Bennett if we have to." 

 

 

Would you trade up to #1 for Stroud? 

I would trade up for stroud. Probably the only one.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

6 minutes ago, Two_pound said:

Heck, that could be Richardson.

I have said it all along. If Chicago trades the first pick Houston could take Anderson. Then use the 12th pick to move back up for Richardson. I think they will take young and I doubt this happens.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

10 minutes ago, krunk said:

Im going to say it again if i didnt say it before. We will get our mojo back quite quickly if we get Stroud. Take Stroud over the so called potential. Hes got the Arm, the character, the leadership, the size,  not a statue, and hes plenty right from the neck up. Kids got easy ability to get people to trust and like him. Not much to worry about with that pick.

I am going to be disappointed if that isn’t who we take.

[Moosejawcolt]

1 hour ago, OffensivelyPC said:

What's funny (maybe ironic funny? I always misuse irony), is I saw Eberflus on the Rich Eisen show and I got the sense that they definitely wanted to keep Fields but that they're "exploring options" with the #1 pick.  And Rich Eisen and his crew were having the conversation on a prior recent show about how it makes so much sense to trade Fields to Houston and get a QB on a fresh new rookie contract and the #2 pick to boot.

 

I dunno how much sense that makes.  But if they're not sold on Fields, the math of it all makes sense.  But this tweet makes me think teams are not interested in Fields and believe that there's no earthly way the Bears take a QB which essentially means the NFL Draft most valuable pick is the #2 pick.  Either that or the Bears asking price for the #1 overall is just too rich.

 

That's all speculation, but the closer the Bears get to being on the clock, the price will get higher.  

 

That  should tell u that don't believe anything u read on the internet. Yesterday everyone was posting Titans  r trading then this came out. All of it is rubbish.

[richard pallo]

9 minutes ago, Superman said:

 

In other words, "tell the Bears we're not selling the farm to move up to #1, we'll sit back and draft Hendon Hooker or Stetson Bennett if we have to." 

 

 

Would you trade up to #1 for Stroud? 

I would trade up for Levis or Stroud.  That’s it.

[Mike06181]

13 hours ago, NFLfan said:

 

After the draft, you should continue to post comments here. For years, I was the only fan from the NFC North. We now have a Packers fan and another Vikings fan as well as a couple of Bears fans now. We have had Colts fans whose parents were Bears fans. I don't remember any Lions fans. 

 

Anyway, at this time, which team do you believe is most likely to trade with the Bears for that #1 pick? I don't believe Ballard will. Ballard is very patient and does not panic. I have a feeling that the Panthers may move up to #1.

I am a lions and colts fan

[dw49]

14 hours ago, VikingsFanInChennai said:

It doesn't have to take them out of trading up necessarily. As you suggested, they still have all those draft capital, so they can very well move up. 

 

The fact that Smith's contract is front loaded with him earning up to 52 million dollars in this new league year tells that they don't view him as long term option. They know they can win games with him and competitive coming year, so they're paying him. 

 

They can easily draft a QB, even moving up from #5, and make the rookie sit and learn for a year. After a huge cap number this year for Geno, it will be easier to trade or release him after a year or two and not have much dead cap money issues for Seahawks. And, if the rookie comes along very well, it will be a perfect transition to their franchise QB while Geno would've served his bridge QB role very well. 

 

As for Geno, his career earnings is around 18 million dollars in last 10 years, and he gets to multiply many fold in coming years. It's great career boost for him. 

 

Exactly right. The contract has 40 mill guaranteed and his first year will eat up around 28 million of that. So they simply start year 2 with Smith and move Richardson in when they feel he's ready. Trade or release Smith ( unless Richardson busts) and more than likely a very small cap hit. It's actually a perfect contract to draft a QB that needs to sit at least a year.

[Moosejawcolt]

11 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

I would trade up for stroud. Probably the only one.

I think when thecdust settles the teams will  just sit where they are and draft a qb

[OffensivelyPC]

5 minutes ago, Moosejawcolt said:

That  should tell u that don't believe anything u read on the internet. Yesterday everyone was posting Titans  r trading then this came out. All of it is rubbish.

By your own assertion, we can't believe the Titans aren't trading Henry.  So either they're trading him or they're not.  Obvious statement of the year.  Doesn't mean we don't find it fun to surmise and discuss.  It's lying season.  Everyone reports stuff and it's a lie, it's subject to change in the coming months, but it might be true.  Basically, "[Insert NFL Team] could do anything in the draft."  Still fun to talk about.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

Rodgers about to be a jet.

 

 

[krunk]

23 minutes ago, Superman said:

 

In other words, "tell the Bears we're not selling the farm to move up to #1, we'll sit back and draft Hendon Hooker or Stetson Bennett if we have to." 

 

 

Would you trade up to #1 for Stroud? 

If we can do it without getting super hammered.  Im at the very least willing to move up to #3 and play the stakes bc i think Houston is going to take Young.

[cdgacoltsfan]

1 hour ago, PRnum1 said:

The Bennett to Fromm comparison is not accurate.

 

Fromm was not as mobile and more of a pocket passer.

 

Bennett is fast and mobile and can make plays with his feet.

 

Fromm was a very accurate thrower if he had a clean pocket.

 

To me the better comparison is

 

Fromm = Stroud

 

Both have equivalent arm strength and are accurate.  They both have limited mobility.

 

Also Kirby Smart and Todd Monken (the new Ravens OC) said to run the WC offense effectively you have to have mobility to take full advantage of RPO's, Keepers and Bootlegs.  Thats why Bennett is so good at running the WC offense.

Fromm= Stroud????....lol..ok

[csmopar]

1 hour ago, chad72 said:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/lamar-jackson-update-ravens-ozzie-newsome-says-franchise-tag-to-be-used-on-qb-tuesday-if-no-deal-gets-done/#:~:text=Per ESPN%2C Baltimore is planning,power to match the offer.

 

Ravens will place non-exclusive franchise tag on Lamar, most likely. It does allow him to negotiate with other teams. That will be very interesting, get your popcorn ready.  

Ouch

[philba101]

11 minutes ago, krunk said:

If we can do it without getting super hammered.  Im at the very least willing to move up to #3 and play the stakes bc i think Houston is going to take Young.

I agree I wouldn't mind moving up to #3 if it was minimal cost. I also think Houston will take Young if he is still available at #2. The risk would be that someone like Carolina jumps to #1 and then your guy that you moved up for is no longer available. If you are happy with either Levis or Richardson at #4 then there is no reason to spend capital to move up.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

 

[chad72]

22 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

Rodgers about to be a jet.

 

 

 

Man, the AFC is so loaded, it might prompt Tom Brady to come back with the 49ers.  

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

4 minutes ago, philba101 said:

I agree I wouldn't mind moving up to #3 if it was minimal cost. I also think Houston will take Young if he is still available at #2. The risk would be that someone like Carolina jumps to #1 and then your guy that you moved up for is no longer available. If you are happy with either Levis or Richardson at #4 then there is no reason to spend capital to move up.

Moving to 3 doesn’t stop colts from then moving to 2. Bears might like that so cardinals don’t take their guy. As long as moving to 3 doesn’t cost much.

[chad72]

1 minute ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

 

 

With Rodgers going to the Jets, who is left in the NFC? OMG, Eagles could be back in the SB, lol

 

If Lamar goes to the Falcons, they are an instant division contender, IMO, and with a few FA moves on D, possibly a SB contender. Like Rich Eisen said, Falcons are grinding tape on QBs, and Ridder is not a certainty like folks think he would be going into this year.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

If ravens put the non exclusive tag on Lamar he won’t be a raven next year. That will create bad blood.  I think Lamar wants out that’s why he won’t strike a deal with ravens. Ravens will have all those extra picks to move up too.