Colts Draft Eve Poll (plus data from Colts article Mock Draft Mondays)

[EastStreet]

Thought it would fun to do a "Colts draft-eve poll".

 

Just some info from Colts latest Mock Draft Monday article so you know what others are predicting.

 

This is the latest breakdown from all the predictions.

 

 

Edge - 37 total votes
Philips 10
Ojulari 8
Paye 7 
Rousseau 7
Oweh 4
Ossai 1 

 

OT - 33 total votes
Cosmi 9
Jenkins 8
Darrisaw 7
Leatherwood 4 (1 was a trade back)
Eichenberg 2 (1 was a trade back)
Vera Tucker 2
Mayfield 1 

 

WR - 7 total votes
Toney 3
E Moore 2
R Moore 2 

 

CB - 3 total votes
Horn 1 
Newsome 1
Campbell 1 

 

DT - 2 total votes
Barmore 2

 

LB - 1 total votes
JOK 1

 

S - 1 total votes
Moehrig 1

 

 

[EastStreet]

I voted

 

Pick at 21

DE with 1st pick

OT with 2nd pick

 

I do think Ballard is shopping to move back, just not sure he'll find the value or partner he wants. Only takes one team, or one guy slipping that a team really wants though. So in short, I hope we trade a few spots back and pick up a 3rd, I just don't think the chances are as likely as in previous years.

[ScotColt]

I think we trade back collecting another 2 and a 3 (maybe another 2?)

 

I'd be delighted if we could take the likes of EDGE Philips, WR E Moore/R Moore and OT Eichenberg/Radunz/Mayfield but that is very wishful thinking considering they are ranked 1st/2nd rounders. 

[danlhart87]

49 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

I voted

 

Pick at 21

DE with 1st pick

OT with 2nd pick

 

I do think Ballard is shopping to move back, just not sure he'll find the value or partner he wants. Only takes one team, or one guy slipping that a team really wants though. So in short, I hope we trade a few spots back and pick up a 3rd, I just don't think the chances are as likely as in previous years.

Paye at 21

Radunz or Brown at 54

 

[csmopar]

2 minutes ago, ScotColt said:

I think we trade back collecting another 2 and a 3 (maybe another 2?)

 

I'd be delighted if we could take the likes of EDGE Philips, WR E Moore/R Moore and OT Eichenberg/Radunz/Mayfield but that is very wishful thinking considering they are ranked 1st/2nd rounders. 

I don’t think the market is gonna be there. Not with all the reports that several teams are looking to trade down. To get that value, that’s trading out of the 1st. With us not having our first potentially next year, I think we stand pat.

53 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

I voted

 

Pick at 21

DE with 1st pick

OT with 2nd pick

 

I do think Ballard is shopping to move back, just not sure he'll find the value or partner he wants. Only takes one team, or one guy slipping that a team really wants though. So in short, I hope we trade a few spots back and pick up a 3rd, I just don't think the chances are as likely as in previous years.

I am in the same line of thought. 

[EastStreet]

3 minutes ago, danlhart87 said:

Paye at 21

Radunz or Brown at 54

 

My stack rank for the two picks and positions

 

1st pick DE (at 21)

Oweh - pure freak

Paye - great traits too

Philips - love his production and traits, concerned about the concussion history

Rousseau - love his production and traits, concerned a bit with the opt out year

 

2nd Pick LT (at 54)

Little - he lost time due to injury and opt out, but was considered the #1 LT prior

Cosmi - might have a lower ceiling that the next (Radunz), but more ready now

Radunz - needs maybe 1/2 or full year, but could be elite

Leatherwood - very solid and a beast in the run game.

Eichenberg - polished but less traits than others. Would be fine next to Q.

 

1 minute ago, csmopar said:

I don’t think the market is gonna be there. Not with all the reports that several teams are looking to trade down. To get that value, that’s trading out of the 1st. With us not having our first potentially next year, I think we stand pat.

I am in the same line of thought. 

I selected pick at 21, but it only takes one team to like one guy that might fall to 21.

I agree multiple teams may be looking to trade back, but it all depends where their picks are, and what value they might be looking for. Going to be interesting to see how things shake out. I think we pick at 21, but I'd love to move back 5-8 spots and pick up a 3rd.

[csmopar]

4 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

My stack rank for the two picks and positions

 

1st pick DE (at 21)

Oweh - pure freak

Paye - great traits too

Philips - love his production and traits, concerned about the concussion history

Rousseau - love his production and traits, concerned a bit with the opt out year

 

2nd Pick LT (at 54)

Little - he lost time due to injury and opt out, but was considered the #1 LT prior

Cosmi - might have a lower ceiling that the next (Radunz), but more ready now

Radunz - needs maybe 1/2 or full year, but could be elite

Leatherwood - very solid and a beast in the run game.

Eichenberg - polished but less traits than others. Would be fine next to Q.

 

I selected pick at 21, but it only takes one team to like one guy that might fall to 21.

I agree multiple teams may be looking to trade back, but it all depends where their picks are, and what value they might be looking for. Going to be interesting to see how things shake out. I think we pick at 21, but I'd love to move back 5-8 spots and pick up a 3rd.

100%

[Yoshinator]

I've heard that the Colts and Jets are talking about a trade right now. The details are the Colts trade the 21st pick for the 34th pick, the 86th pick, and a 2022 3rd round pick. That's the rumblings, and why I believe Ballard made his comment in his pre-draft conference about being done earlier than we may think on Thursday. We could trade out of the 1st round completely before the draft begins Thursday. 

 

BTW, the trade chart matches up at 800 for the Colts at 21, and 34 (560),+ 86 (160), + 2022 3rd round pick (which equals a range from (116-265). So the final comparision if this trade happens will be the Colts giving up 800 points of value, and the Jets giving up 836-985 points of value over two years depending on the pick in 2022. 

 

So a great trade by Ballard to get our picks back over this year and next while only sacrificing 11 spots if he gets it done.

[csmopar]

2 hours ago, Jared Cisneros said:

I've heard that the Colts and Jets are talking about a trade right now. The details are the Colts trade the 21st pick for the 34th pick, the 86th pick, and a 2022 3rd round pick. That's the rumblings, and why I believe Ballard made his comment in his pre-draft conference about being done earlier than we may think on Thursday. We could trade out of the 1st round completely before the draft begins Thursday. 

 

BTW, the trade chart matches up at 800 for the Colts at 21, and 34 (560),+ 86 (160), + 2022 3rd round pick (which equals a range from (116-265). So the final comparision if this trade happens will be the Colts giving up 800 points of value, and the Jets giving up 836-985 points of value over two years depending on the pick in 2022. 

 

So a great trade by Ballard to get our picks back over this year and next while only sacrificing 11 spots if he gets it done.

Ugh I hope not

[Yoshinator]

5 minutes ago, csmopar said:

Ugh I hope not

I remember you wanted Kwity Paye really bad. It's just discussions right now. It may or may not happen. If we are going to gain picks for this year and next year though, it's probably going to be this trade. A lot of people are saying that this is a deep class from 35 to 75, so maybe Ballard agrees with that? We'll see what happens.

[2006Coltsbestever]

I voted what I want. So I went keep #21 and take the best LT left, in round #2 take a DE/pass rusher. I am really not getting this infatuation with people wanting to trade down, at #21 we can get the guy we want and need. 

[Yoshinator]

2 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

I voted what I want. So I went keep #21 and take the best LT left, in round #2 take a DE/pass rusher. I am really not getting this infatuation with people wanting to trade down, at #21 we can get the guy we want and need. 

The best explanation I can give you is we are missing a 3rd rounder this year and possibly a 1st next year. We know how good Ballard is in the draft and would rather have the picks for him to do his thing. We also weren't very active in FA, so Ballard has to make it up in the draft, and it's hard to do so with 6 picks. The earlier you trade down, the more and higher picks you get.

 

Ballard also said he wants more picks. It takes luck to hit on guys in the draft and you have to have the picks to hit on those guys. We honestly need those two extra 3rd rounders and I'd be happy with the trade honestly. It's infuriating to not have a 1st round pick so much, but to get Buckner and a QB in Wentz after Luck retired in exchange is worth it. 

[MPStack]

19 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

I voted what I want. So I went keep #21 and take the best LT left, in round #2 take a DE/pass rusher. I am really not getting this infatuation with people wanting to trade down, at #21 we can get the guy we want and need. 

Yep, draft the best player on the board at 21 to address a position, that can be fixed. Everything can’t be addressed in this draft. I’d hate to potentially see a version of the 2019 draft, trading down and passing on a difference maker. 

[coltsfeva]

  I can’t help but think Ballard and co. will have an advantage over some other teams, considering the circumstances of the 2020 class. 
  They’ve been pretty good at finding talent late in the draft. 
   The consensus is that they need:

 A starting LT

A difference maker at DE

Depth in the secondary 

A dynamic TE

An explosive WR

 

HOW they meet these goals is anyone’s guess. But it’s good to know, they have a solid nucleus and just need some pieces to contend for a championship. (This is assuming Wentz balls out and the existing team is healthy).

  There’s also the aspect of guys who to some are considered “busts” (Turay, Banagu, Lewis, Ya Sin and Campbell), may step up this year. 

 

[DougDew]

3 hours ago, Jared Cisneros said:

I've heard that the Colts and Jets are talking about a trade right now. The details are the Colts trade the 21st pick for the 34th pick, the 86th pick, and a 2022 3rd round pick. That's the rumblings, and why I believe Ballard made his comment in his pre-draft conference about being done earlier than we may think on Thursday. We could trade out of the 1st round completely before the draft begins Thursday. 

 

BTW, the trade chart matches up at 800 for the Colts at 21, and 34 (560),+ 86 (160), + 2022 3rd round pick (which equals a range from (116-265). So the final comparision if this trade happens will be the Colts giving up 800 points of value, and the Jets giving up 836-985 points of value over two years depending on the pick in 2022. 

 

So a great trade by Ballard to get our picks back over this year and next while only sacrificing 11 spots if he gets it done.

That would be awesome.  We could avoid getting one of the overrated DEs and be in perfect position to take Leatherwood, Radunz or possibly Cosmi or Jenkins.  (I'm hoping Ballard is showing interest in Jenkins in order to deflect our real interest).

 

Then we could take Tremble at 54 or another good TE since there will likley not be any at 86.

 

We don't really need quick bendy guys that early.  Our pass rush should come from the middle, so our DEs should be more containment guys than rushers to open up running lanes for the QB.  Keep Mahomes, Lamar, and Allen in the pocket to limit the backyard ball plays and force them to run through their scripted progressions.  The key to winning those games is to take away their improve game, IMO.

 

Should be plenty of decent containment type DEs at 86 and then the johnny one note bendy rusher after that.

 

But if Ballard wants to take Basham or Turner at 34, that's good too.  But he might have to trade up from 54 to get the OT, or visa versa.  

 

My conjecture, one day out.

[csmopar]

1 hour ago, Jared Cisneros said:

I remember you wanted Kwity Paye really bad. It's just discussions right now. It may or may not happen. If we are going to gain picks for this year and next year though, it's probably going to be this trade. A lot of people are saying that this is a deep class from 35 to 75, so maybe Ballard agrees with that? We'll see what happens.

It’s not about Paye in this case. I’m looking at it from the fact that barring something bad happening, we’re not gonna have a 1st next year and the last time we had a first, we used it on big Q, which was well spent. I’d like us to actually take a swing in the first round, even if it is not Paye

[Myles]

59 minutes ago, coltsfeva said:

  I can’t help but think Ballard and co. will have an advantage over some other teams, considering the circumstances of the 2020 class. 
  They’ve been pretty good at finding talent late in the draft. 
   The consensus is that they need:

 A starting LT

A difference maker at DE

Depth in the secondary 

A dynamic TE

An explosive WR

 

HOW they meet these goals is anyone’s guess. But it’s good to know, they have a solid nucleus and just need some pieces to contend for a championship. (This is assuming Wentz balls out and the existing team is healthy).

  There’s also the aspect of guys who to some are considered “busts” (Turay, Banagu, Lewis, Ya Sin and Campbell), may step up this year. 

 

 

I don't think most people think we "need" an explosive WR.   Pittman should be better in his second year and with a training camp.

I also don't know many who consider Ya Sin and Campbell "busts" at this point.   I think Campbell will be great this year.  

[Smonroe]

4 hours ago, Jared Cisneros said:

I've heard that the Colts and Jets are talking about a trade right now. The details are the Colts trade the 21st pick for the 34th pick, the 86th pick, and a 2022 3rd round pick. That's the rumblings, and why I believe Ballard made his comment in his pre-draft conference about being done earlier than we may think on Thursday. We could trade out of the 1st round completely before the draft begins Thursday. 

 

BTW, the trade chart matches up at 800 for the Colts at 21, and 34 (560),+ 86 (160), + 2022 3rd round pick (which equals a range from (116-265). So the final comparision if this trade happens will be the Colts giving up 800 points of value, and the Jets giving up 836-985 points of value over two years depending on the pick in 2022. 

 

So a great trade by Ballard to get our picks back over this year and next while only sacrificing 11 spots if he gets it done.

I don’t believe any rumors about the draft, teams only leak what they want others to believe.

 

But I’d be happy if that one was true.  I’ll be among the not so surprised if we don’t draft at 21.  

[csmopar]

https://www.nfl.com/news/trades-could-be-fewer-than-usual-in-2021-nfl-draft-s-first-round
 

the market may not be there to trade down

[DougDew]

10 minutes ago, csmopar said:

https://www.nfl.com/news/trades-could-be-fewer-than-usual-in-2021-nfl-draft-s-first-round
 

the market may not be there to trade down

Agreed with that, but one thing, the media tends to exaggerate.  Its their nature.  He seems to be talking about the big splashy trades involving the top 10.  The stuff they like to hog the air time talking about all night long while the "mundane" parts of the draft that people care about are taking place.

 

"There's going to be a lot of action Thursday night, I'm just not sure there's going to be a crazy, big trade move just because I get the sense that people don't want to get that far back."

 

There might still be some action for us.  I can see a team like GB, MIA, CLEV, BALT etc, teams that are close, wanting to get a specific player.

 

Even TB, with Brady there and Arians, could want to try to repeat as much as possible while they have the opportunity.  

[csmopar]

12 minutes ago, DougDew said:

Agreed with that, but one thing, the media tends to exaggerate.  Its their nature.  He seems to be talking about the big splashy trades involving the top 10.  The stuff they like to hog the air time talking about all night long while the "mundane" parts of the draft that people care about are taking place.

 

"There's going to be a lot of action Thursday night, I'm just not sure there's going to be a crazy, big trade move just because I get the sense that people don't want to get that far back."

 

There might still be some action for us.  I can see a team like GB, MIA, CLEV, BALT etc, teams that are close, wanting to get a specific player.

 

Even TB, with Brady there and Arians, could want to try to repeat as much as possible while they have the opportunity.  

Oh definitely. I’m just saying the odds are if it does happen the value won’t be as high . But all it takes is one GM

[Arodgers12]

1 minute ago, csmopar said:

Oh definitely. I’m just saying the odds are if it does happen the value won’t be as high . But all it takes is one GM

Hope you guys have a great draft. Love you all 

[TimetobringDfence!]

Move back a few slots for extra pick(s)2nds or 3rds. Grab Rousseau late in the 1st. Get the best LT with 2nd pick. Grab a TE or LB with 3rd and 4th pick. This would be my strategy, unless there's a team out there with a young stud DE on a rookie contract wanting our 1st rounder?

[w87r]

5 hours ago, Jared Cisneros said:

I've heard that the Colts and Jets are talking about a trade right now. The details are the Colts trade the 21st pick for the 34th pick, the 86th pick, and a 2022 3rd round pick. That's the rumblings, and why I believe Ballard made his comment in his pre-draft conference about being done earlier than we may think on Thursday. We could trade out of the 1st round completely before the draft begins Thursday. 

 

BTW, the trade chart matches up at 800 for the Colts at 21, and 34 (560),+ 86 (160), + 2022 3rd round pick (which equals a range from (116-265). So the final comparision if this trade happens will be the Colts giving up 800 points of value, and the Jets giving up 836-985 points of value over two years depending on the pick in 2022. 

 

So a great trade by Ballard to get our picks back over this year and next while only sacrificing 11 spots if he gets it done.

So lets say we do this deal. Although that 3rd is devalued in 2022. With all reports out most teams are looking to move back.

 

I do think NYJ would have to give up additional pick this year, maybe 5th or 6th?(146 or 186)

 

 

So how about this scenario.

Trade 21 for 34, 86, (146 or 186) 2022 3rd

 

Trade 54, 86 to move back up to 36-38(Miami/Philly/Cincy)

 

End up with 34, (36-38) (146 or 186) and 2022 3rd? For 21 and 54?

 

Maybe even land an additional 2022 4th or 5th in trade back up?

 

With all the talk about teams looking to trade down, I could see Ballard trying to capitalize on that and maybe move back up from our 2nd ?

[danlhart87]

5 hours ago, Jared Cisneros said:

I've heard that the Colts and Jets are talking about a trade right now. The details are the Colts trade the 21st pick for the 34th pick, the 86th pick, and a 2022 3rd round pick. That's the rumblings, and why I believe Ballard made his comment in his pre-draft conference about being done earlier than we may think on Thursday. We could trade out of the 1st round completely before the draft begins Thursday. 

 

BTW, the trade chart matches up at 800 for the Colts at 21, and 34 (560),+ 86 (160), + 2022 3rd round pick (which equals a range from (116-265). So the final comparision if this trade happens will be the Colts giving up 800 points of value, and the Jets giving up 836-985 points of value over two years depending on the pick in 2022. 

 

So a great trade by Ballard to get our picks back over this year and next while only sacrificing 11 spots if he gets it done.

Trading down out of 21 before draft even starts wouldn't be good

 

There might be a difference maker like Paye or Jenkins 

 

You just take the guy then

If all players Ballard likes are fine im fine with trade

[csmopar]

32 minutes ago, Arodgers12 said:

Hope you guys have a great draft. Love you all 

You too bud 

2 minutes ago, danlhart87 said:

Trading down out of 21 before draft even starts wouldn't be good

 

There might be a difference maker like Paye or Jenkins 

 

You just take the guy then

If all players Ballard likes are fine im fine with trade

I prefer they do it now so I don’t stay up late lol

[Yoshinator]

1 minute ago, danlhart87 said:

Trading down out of 21 before draft even starts wouldn't be good

 

There might be a difference maker like Paye or Jenkins 

 

You just take the guy then

If all players Ballard likes are fine im fine with trade

There are a lot of reports of teams being in on Darrisaw and Paye before the Colts. I don't know for sure on Jenkins besides the Bears. I'm getting the feeling Ballard wants to go for 2nd and 3rd round guys this year because he believes his guys won't fall. He said the Media may see him "early on Thursday night" and he also said that the draft takes luck and you need picks to get lucky and take those shots.

 

All that makes me think we'll possibly trade down and the trade rumor with the Jets is true.

[AwesomeAustin]

I plan to look Friday morning to see what happened.  I have no idea what is going to unfold

[danlhart87]

4 minutes ago, Jared Cisneros said:

There are a lot of reports of teams being in on Darrisaw and Paye before the Colts. I don't know for sure on Jenkins besides the Bears. I'm getting the feeling Ballard wants to go for 2nd and 3rd round guys this year because he believes his guys won't fall. He said the Media may see him "early on Thursday night" and he also said that the draft takes luck and you need picks to get lucky and take those shots.

 

All that makes me think we'll possibly trade down and the trade rumor with the Jets is true.

I know he's also big on Greg Newsome too

[danlhart87]

4 minutes ago, AwesomeAustin said:

I plan to look Friday morning to see what happened.  I have no idea what is going to unfold

You Friday morning...

 

...Indianapolis Colts select RB Naj...

 

[Yoshinator]

Just now, danlhart87 said:

I know he's also big on Greg Newsome too

Yep. As am I. The only team I really see going Newsome possibly ahead of us is the Cardinals. If he gets past there, and Ballard stays at 21, he could take Newsome. 

[danlhart87]

Just now, Jared Cisneros said:

Yep. As am I. The only team I really see going Newsome possibly ahead of us is the Cardinals. If he gets past there, and Ballard stays at 21, he could take Newsome. 

Bears are possible losing Fuller 

[Yoshinator]

Just now, danlhart87 said:

Bears are possible losing Fuller 

That's true. I see them doing a bunch of other things first though. They are definitely interested in O-Lineman, they have an interest in trading up for a QB, and I've heard if neither of those things happen, they are interested in taking Kyle Trask at 20 (which is believeable as Pace and Nagys jobs are on the line this year).

[danlhart87]

4 minutes ago, Jared Cisneros said:

That's true. I see them doing a bunch of other things first though. They are definitely interested in O-Lineman, they have an interest in trading up for a QB, and I've heard if neither of those things happen, they are interested in taking Kyle Trask at 20 (which is believeable as Pace and Nagys jobs are on the line this year).

Typical Bears move

[DougDew]

I don't understand the hate for Trask.  He'll probably be the third best QB from this class after Wilson, Fields, and Lance bust.

[indyagent17]

The draft is deep for OT at least into the second round. I voted to trade back because I really believe Ballard wants that third round pick back. But if a stud DE of CB falls to us you have to act. 

[AwesomeAustin]

41 minutes ago, danlhart87 said:

You Friday morning...

 

...Indianapolis Colts select RB Naj...

 

I would be ok with that move. More important positions to address but talk about a 3 headed monster. Plus Mack would probably make it they the entire season with Taylor, Harris and Hines ahead of him. 

[GRUMPY OLD MAN]

4 hours ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

I voted what I want. So I went keep #21 and take the best LT left, in round #2 take a DE/pass rusher. I am really not getting this infatuation with people wanting to trade down, at #21 we can get the guy we want and need. 

i didnt vote what i wanted but more what ballard likes to do trade back

[EastStreet]

6 hours ago, Jared Cisneros said:

I've heard that the Colts and Jets are talking about a trade right now. The details are the Colts trade the 21st pick for the 34th pick, the 86th pick, and a 2022 3rd round pick. That's the rumblings, and why I believe Ballard made his comment in his pre-draft conference about being done earlier than we may think on Thursday. We could trade out of the 1st round completely before the draft begins Thursday. 

 

BTW, the trade chart matches up at 800 for the Colts at 21, and 34 (560),+ 86 (160), + 2022 3rd round pick (which equals a range from (116-265). So the final comparision if this trade happens will be the Colts giving up 800 points of value, and the Jets giving up 836-985 points of value over two years depending on the pick in 2022. 

 

So a great trade by Ballard to get our picks back over this year and next while only sacrificing 11 spots if he gets it done.

Where is this info coming from?

[DougDew]

1 hour ago, w87r said:

So lets say we do this deal. Although that 3rd is devalued in 2022. With all reports out most teams are looking to move back.

 

I do think NYJ would have to give up additional pick this year, maybe 5th or 6th?(146 or 186)

 

 

So how about this scenario.

Trade 21 for 34, 86, (146 or 186) 2022 3rd

 

Trade 54, 86 to move back up to 36-38(Miami/Philly/Cincy)

 

End up with 34, (36-38) (146 or 186) and 2022 3rd? For 21 and 54?

 

Maybe even land an additional 2022 4th or 5th in trade back up?

 

With all the talk about teams looking to trade down, I could see Ballard trying to capitalize on that and maybe move back up from our 2nd ?

Yes.  Radunz/Leatherwood  and Basham/Turner would be a nice start to the draft.  Probably need to have both picks in the 36 to 48 range.

 

It costs less to move up 6 to 8 slots in round 2.  We could pick up a third with the trade out of 21, and only give a 4th or a 5th to move up in round 2.