chad72 Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 http://twitter.com/#!/caplannfli am the Sam LB in this new scheme equivalent to jarret johnson for the ravens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moncrief Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Interesting. Freeney playing rush LB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacolts56 Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Good information.... I though his was the "Terrell Suggs" role in Pagano's scheme.I'm still not convinced Freeney should be retained though... certainly not without a re-done deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Hope it works Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Looking like Freeny isnt gonna budge on the deal, but one thing I would like to se some sort of documentation of him saying he wouldnt play in a 3-4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chad72 Posted March 18, 2012 Author Share Posted March 18, 2012 Interesting. Freeney playing rush LB?I remember Bill Parcells stating when he had Lawrence Taylor in his 3-4. Dropping him in coverage was not working out so well. So he thought, heck with it, if the QB is going to complete passes, at least I can unleash LT on him and make his life miserable, so just let him rush the QB all the time. I envision a similar scenario with Freeney but if we have the NT to demand double teams, and blitzing LBs, Freeney will be effective, stunts or no stunts, IMO. Rush the QB, he can but he is a costly rusher . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
braveheartcolt Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Looking like Freeny isnt gonna budge on the deal, but one thing I would like to se some sort of documentation of him saying he wouldnt play in a 3-4What makes you think he won't budge?Have you read something, or just reading between the lines due to the lack of activity etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 To costly if were gonna get someone to fill that role we might as well get a true outside linebacker cheaper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacolts56 Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 I remember Bill Parcells stating when he had Lawrence Taylor in his 3-4. Dropping him in coverage was not working out so well. So he thought, heck with it, if the QB is going to complete passes, at least I can unleash LT on him and make his life miserable, so just let him rush the QB all the time. I envision a similar scenario with Freeney but if we have the NT to demand double teams, and blitzing LBs, Freeney will be effective, stunts or no stunts, IMO. Rush the QB, he can but he is a costly rusher .I see what you're saying but LT was on a whole 'nother level when it came to run pursuit. And we don't have that NT yet.I really think we need to go another route with the "Suggs" OLB role if in fact Freeney winds up not re-doing his contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Just said Id like to see documentation be it verbal or not, why should the Colts budge on 19 million on an aging player that at times I believe was clearly hurt last year he had a noticeable limp at times and not to mention by freeny standards underperformed that may not be age and may very well be that he was playing hurt but age is still a concern in my opinion as good as the steelers were with all them veterans it hurt their cap cause they hung on to so many for so long just like us, In the NFL you always have retool and if you dont you end up having to rebuild like we are doing now which in turn keeps players hungry cause guess what they know if they slip they can be next in line to get to get the axe thats how it works ya dont say ok Ill give you an insane amount of money on players that dont perform up to past standards (both the players standards and the coaches) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CashMoney Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 ROBERT MATHIS @RobertMathis98 Reply Retweet Favorite · Open4-3 got freeney and i chipped to death!!! at least with this we can have the same opportunites as other guys in the leagueROBERT MATHIS @RobertMathis98 Reply Retweet Favorite · Open i dont know but at least i wont be a blocking dummy anymore in a predictable over2ROBERT MATHIS @RobertMathis98 Reply Retweet Favorite · Open he is the Rush LB (Suggs) -Freeney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Americolt Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 i got a feelin Wheeler will be the other olb. He was an excellent rusher in college and showed he can rush the qb in the times he was designed to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 We still shouldnt take on his contract if the numbers Frog has here are correct or even close Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 We should go get a Linebacker that has played the position before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flux Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 i got a feelin Wheeler will be the other olb. He was an excellent rusher in college and showed he can rush the qb in the times he was designed to.If that was the situation I'd rather have Wheeler in more of a coverage role than Mathis and have Mathis be the rush LB...I'm pretty sure this means we are keeping Freeney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CashMoney Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 i got a feelin Wheeler will be the other olb. He was an excellent rusher in college and showed he can rush the qb in the times he was designed to.We would have to resign him first, but I would like to see what he can do in that position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyld1 Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Regardless of the Freeney contract situation it is nice to read something about an actual Colt player in the "Colts Forum" for a change ;)....I like that Mathis seems so stoked it can only lead to good things, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 I would hope we dont keep him at 19 million but why not get a true linebacker that has played the position before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Americolt Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 The reason I want wheeler as the other olb is because he was an excellent rusher in college(something we didnt have him do here) and was an actually pretty good lb with some coverage skills. I dont think ive ever heard of dwight covering someone or dropping into coverage. Wheeler was rated as the 13th best olb by pro football focus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Im up for experimenting with wheeler at the position but freeny no he should remain where hes always been especially at this stage in his career and only if he reworks his contract, Id like him to stay ONLY under a new deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
braveheartcolt Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Im up for experimenting with wheeler at the position but freeny no he should remain where hes always been especially at this stage in his career and only if he reworks his contract, Id like him to stay ONLY under a new dealSo you don't want him on his current deal? Is that correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Thats correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dee Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 I remember Bill Parcells stating when he had Lawrence Taylor in his 3-4. Dropping him in coverage was not working out so well. So he thought, heck with it, if the QB is going to complete passes, at least I can unleash LT on him and make his life miserable, so just let him rush the QB all the time. I envision a similar scenario with Freeney but if we have the NT to demand double teams, and blitzing LBs, Freeney will be effective, stunts or no stunts, IMO. Rush the QB, he can but he is a costly rusher .IMO D Free simply does not fit with the "new" attitude on D. Freeney is not interested in stopping the run. Why pay a guy all that cheez to just rush the passer? I don't see it. LT was a STUD on every down. He played ballz out against the run and pass. Dwight's next tackle of a RB in the backfield may be his first.Mathis will be fine standing up, even better than he was at DE. And I want to see Hughes get a chance also .... And I think Indy will go OLB/rush end with their 2nd pick. Or CB....I hope Indy just trades or releases him.Freeney's gotta go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creekside Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Seems to me that Tom Brady, Peyton Manning and others will use their slot receivers and tight ends often and effectively to make both Freeney and Mathis look silly in pass protection. It's not like the Colts have all but a couple of pieces to run an effective 3-4. They don't have the big interior linebackers, they have only one DE and no nose tackle. In my opinion, the only asset the entire team has is the Mathis/Freeney pass rush. They are going to be taken out of their natural positions..............and the one thing that is not broke is being fixed?...............it must be me, because I don't see anyone else questioning this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ihh61691 Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Trust Pagano to know what he is doing, being a defensive minded coach, to install an effective defense using the chess pieces that we DO have. I'm sure he's well aware that Freeney and Mathis are out of their comfort zones and that we need a solid DT. We will get there in time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
likm Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Seems to me that Tom Brady, Peyton Manning and others will use their slot receivers and tight ends often and effectively to make both Freeney and Mathis look silly in pass protection. It's not like the Colts have all but a couple of pieces to run an effective 3-4. They don't have the big interior linebackers, they have only one DE and no nose tackle. In my opinion, the only asset the entire team has is the Mathis/Freeney pass rush. They are going to be taken out of their natural positions..............and the one thing that is not broke is being fixed?...............it must be me, because I don't see anyone else questioning this.Mathis and Freeny are not offensive linemen. How could they look silly in their pass protection? I believe Freeny and Mathis would line up (stand up) outside the DE's on the line of scrimmage. Freeny and Mathis would then be able to be rush the passer or use their speed to chase running backs down behind the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creekside Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Mathis and Freeny are not offensive linemen. How could they look silly in their pass protection? I believe Freeny and Mathis would line up (stand up) outside the DE's on the line of scrimmage. Freeny and Mathis would then be able to be rush the passer or use their speed to chase running backs down behind the line.I meant coverage (obviously) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21isSuperman Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 I don't think it's a huge deal whether he is Sam or Will. Both he and Freeney are, in my opinion, underrated run stuffers. Regardless, in a 3-4, but outside linebackers can blitz on any play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
likm Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 I meant coverage (obviously)I dont think Freeny is going to be running around chasing a slot receiver or tight end. Give me break. I think Pagano knows what Freeny and Mathis do best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldunclemark Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 ROBERT MATHIS @RobertMathis98Reply Retweet Favorite · Open4-3 got freeney and i chipped to death!!! at least with this we can have the same opportunites as other guys in the leagueROBERT MATHIS @RobertMathis98Reply Retweet Favorite · Openi dont know but at least i wont be a blocking dummy anymore in a predictable over2ROBERT MATHIS @RobertMathis98Reply Retweet Favorite · Openhe is the Rush LB (Suggs) -FreeneyHe seems very enthusiastic about this....The difernce is that he wanst to play in the new formations and Dwight apparently doers not.Either that or he just doenst tweet about it..His problem cant be a re-do getting more years on his contract...///because that's not a problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creekside Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 I believe Freeny and Mathis would line up (stand up) outside the DE's on the line of scrimmage. Freeny and Mathis would then be able to be rush the passer or use their speed to chase running backs down behind the line. That does'nt answer the concern about slot recievers and tight ends........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 I think we should resign Tamme and pick up a wide receiver late in the rounds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldunclemark Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Im up for experimenting with wheeler at the position but freeny no he should remain where hes always been especially at this stage in his career and only if he reworks his contract, Id like him to stay ONLY under a new dealJust like Mathis.... I think its happening.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldunclemark Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 I think we should resign Tamme and pick up a wide receiver late in the roundswe need a lot of receivers..Its scary how few offenisve skill position players we have under contract Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Sullivan Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Looking like Freeny isnt gonna budge on the deal, but one thing I would like to se some sort of documentation of him saying he wouldnt play in a 3-4If he does he would probably get traded for a 1st in a heartbeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldunclemark Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 http://twitter.com/#!/caplannfli am the Sam LB in this new scheme equivalent to jarret johnson for the ravensThanks Chad..this is encouraging! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 whats freeny's age? 32? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creekside Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 I dont think Freeny is going to be running around chasing a slot receiver or tight end. Give me break. I think Pagano knows what Freeny and Mathis do best. No need to take it personnally.........I just have an opinion... Mario Williams dropped into coveage on occasion last year in the Texan's new 3-4....and his sack production went down.....the Bills are reverting back to a 4-3 now that they have Williams..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coltnorth Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Seems to me that Tom Brady, Peyton Manning and others will use their slot receivers and tight ends often and effectively to make both Freeney and Mathis look silly in pass protection. It's not like the Colts have all but a couple of pieces to run an effective 3-4. They don't have the big interior linebackers, they have only one DE and no nose tackle. In my opinion, the only asset the entire team has is the Mathis/Freeney pass rush. They are going to be taken out of their natural positions..............and the one thing that is not broke is being fixed?...............it must be me, because I don't see anyone else questioning this.Mostly everything on our D was broken last year. Fix it all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaylaD Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 I love that Mathis is so pumped up about this. If Freeney really wants to be a Colt and play on this team then he will do it. Hard work, dedication, he could do it, if he really wants to. Does he want to? I have no idea. I do think he should negotiate on his contract though. I don't want to get all into something when we don't really know anything yet. If Pagano wants him then he will have a spot for him. I have faith that Pagano knows what he is doing. I do have to watch the Bengals play they Ravens every year with where I live. That defense has been nothing to joke about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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