tolzien

[jvan1973]

14 minutes ago, Smitto said:

Why would any team sign him if they feel comfortable with their own QBs? Tolkien showed nothing and it was evident today and the whole of camp. The keeping of Tolkien smells like an Irsay move as well so Pagano probably had no choice... Point is they both need to be left in LA

I'm not trying to defend tolzien.   Dude is terrible.   Something made the team scared of morris though 

[Flash7]

1 minute ago, Malakai432 said:

 

I think he could throw 3 picks, but 3 pick sixes would be tough unless the defenders had a clear path.

Hmmmm...it's tricky now isn't it, because we want to see Tolzien's 3 pick six's and we know he only dissapoints us, so none then?

[Bluefire4]

6 minutes ago, aaron11 said:

what does kapernick do well besides run?

That's it honestly. Besides the fact that he doesn't make many mistakes. But if people are crying over the fact that Tolzien doesn't take chances down the field, they don't want to see Kaep starting for this team. He is the five yard pass specialist.

[snkdy]

2 minutes ago, aaron11 said:

true

 

i guess we will see what brisett can do fairly soon 

 

i dont really care about kaps protests either, but we all know the colts probably wont be the team to sign him unless they feel pretty desperate 

 

Agreed. I hope Brissett turns out to be fantastic for us. But Pagano still has to make him the starter first. 

[Bluefire4]

5 minutes ago, snkdy said:

 

Agreed, that's exactly my point.

Yup. Wasn't arguing with the fact that Kaep is being blackballed and he deserves to be in the NFL, just the fact that you can't say he's better than Brissett without letting him get 5 or 6 starts under his belt.

[Flash7]

1 minute ago, jvan1973 said:

I'm not trying to defend tolzien.   Dude is terrible.   Something made the team scared of morris though 

I honestly think it's because Pagano's job is on the line this year and he wanted to go into the season with a QB that had experience. That's it.

 

It had nothing to do with competition because Tolzien was clearly outplayed. Pagano played it safe and he bet on the wrong horse (Colt).

[cpd190]

Oh shut up about Kaep!!!!! I love America!!!!!

[zo6scott]

Brissett til Luck and maybe beyond. 

[Malakai432]

6 minutes ago, Flash7 said:

Hmmmm...it's tricky now isn't it, because we want to see Tolzien's 3 pick six's and we know he only dissapoints us, so none then?

 

He'll be fine, we'll see a lot of progression from him next week.  14/25, 150 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, 3 sacks and 1 fumble vs AZ.

[VaAllDay757]

Tolzien has an ugly pump fake too it looks like the ball may pop loose

[Coltsman1788]

1 hour ago, Smitto said:

Lol.... All I can do is laugh out of disgust and anger at the Colts coaching staff for keeping this guy in. 

Gotta have a sense of humor to make it through this train wreck.  Good Lord.

[pgt_rob]

35 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

What team picked up Morris?

 

It's only a matter of time before Tolzein is released and watching games from the couch like us. I know Ballard said Morris didn't look good in camp but looked better towards the end of camp and preseason. That somehow was not enough to save Morris. But at the end of the day, Tolzein has yet to get us a win and we should be looking for a way to change that. Brissett is coming now. 

[jvan1973]

7 minutes ago, Flash7 said:

I honestly think it's because Pagano's job is on the line this year and he wanted to go into the season with a QB that had experience. That's it.

 

It had nothing to do with competition because Tolzien was clearly outplayed. Pagano played it safe and he bet on the wrong horse (Colt).

The gm makes personnel charges. 

[k9copinmd]

Tolzen is not, has never been, and never will be a NFL caliber QB. Pagano is not, has never been, and never will be a NFL caliber head coach. Both need to be told to gather their belongings and be escorted to the door.

[jvan1973]

Just now, pgt_rob said:

 

It's only a matter of time before Tolzein is released and watching games from the couch like us. I know Ballard said Morris didn't look good in camp but looked better towards the end of camp and preseason. That somehow was not enough to save Morris. But at the end of the day, Tolzein has yet to get us a win and we should be looking for a way to change that. Brissett is coming now. 

I have to believe JB starts next  week

[Flash7]

Just now, jvan1973 said:

The gm makes personnel charges. 

They do not make decisions in a bubble. Any good GM/Coach tandem will sit down before final cuts and have discussions. You are one of the more knowledgeable posters here and I'm sure you already know this. Ballard has the GM title, and the final say, but not without input from the coaches.

[jvan1973]

Just now, Flash7 said:

They do not make decisions in a bubble. Any good GM/Coach tandem will sit down before final cuts and have discussions. You are one of the more knowledgeable posters here and I'm sure you already know this. Ballard has the GM title, and the final say, but not without input from the coaches.

But it ultimately falls on Ballard right?  Just like the coaches in the booth not telling pagano you challenge the back td falls on pagano.   Ballard is there for every practice.   He saw and agreed with the coaches ultimately 

[Flash7]

Just now, jvan1973 said:

But it ultimately falls on Ballard right?  Just like the coaches in the booth not telling pagano you challenge the back td falls on pagano.   Ballard is there for every practice.   He saw and agreed with the coaches ultimately 

Cool....they're both to blame.

[Malakai432]

4 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

I have to believe JB starts next  week

 

NO!!!  Scotty needs to redeem himself, as the great Herm Edwards said, "You play to lose the game!!!"

[pgt_rob]

6 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

I have to believe JB starts next  week

 

If Brissett doesn't start next week, I would be completely confused with the direction this team is going. 

[mahagga73]

14 minutes ago, Bluefire4 said:

Yup. Wasn't arguing with the fact that Kaep is being blackballed and he deserves to be in the NFL, just the fact that you can't say he's better than Brissett without letting him get 5 or 6 starts under his belt.

Just stop. I read your post about Kap being bad last year and that's just not true. He was 16td, 4int , 90.7 qbr in 8 starts . Hardly terrible . I don't know if he would make a difference or not but do some research first. He declined an option by the Niners if im correct , mistake on his part. 

[Malakai432]

8 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

I have to believe JB starts next  week

 

I do agree though Jacoby Biscuit should play next week... 

[OLD FAN MAN]

On 9/9/2017 at 10:30 AM, Introspect said:

Not a chance... This guy is bad. An indictment on Ballard and the Front office. He is a new GM. He will surely learn from the Back up Fiasco.

i concur

[snkdy]

Just now, pgt_rob said:

 

If Brissett doesn't start next week, I would be completely confused with the direction this team is going. 

 

 

 

[OLD FAN MAN]

1 minute ago, Malakai432 said:

 

I do agree though Jacoby Biscuit should play next week... 

i concur

[OLD FAN MAN]

2 minutes ago, pgt_rob said:

 

If Brissett doesn't start next week, I would be completely confused with the direction this team is going. 

i concur

[OLD FAN MAN]

7 minutes ago, Flash7 said:

Cool....they're both to blame.

i concur

[OLD FAN MAN]

9 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

But it ultimately falls on Ballard right?  Just like the coaches in the booth not telling pagano you challenge the back td falls on pagano.   Ballard is there for every practice.   He saw and agreed with the coaches ultimately 

i concur

[IndyD4U]

Anyone know if they let Tolzien on the plane? 

[OLD FAN MAN]

14 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

I have to believe JB starts next  week

i concur

[BloodyChamp]

 

 

 

[Stephen]

Tolzien will start versus cards.Pagano to stubborn to change.

[IinD]

I can't blame Tolz to much honestly. He shouldn't be starting or getting extended playing time in an NFL game.

 

He's one of those QB's lucky to be in the league. He has no business playing full games.

[SaturdayAllDay]

10 minutes ago, Flash7 said:

Cool....they're both to blame.

I think the Tolzien over Morris decision was based solely on how they are in practice/ on the sideline with the clipboard. With Brissett already slated to be the young inexperienced guy we need another experienced set of eyes on the sidelines. My guess is Morris didnt show them he could be that guy. Simple as that. I think Tolzien is there because he helps Brissetts progression more than Morris would. 

 

At this point I have to believe that. Otherwise its gonna be a long few years. 

[cpd190]

At least Tolzien loves America

[jvan1973]

23 minutes ago, Malakai432 said:

 

NO!!!  Scotty needs to redeem himself, as the great Herm Edwards said, "You play to lose the game!!!"

I'm not sure you have that quote quite  right.  

[Bluefire4]

27 minutes ago, mahagga73 said:

Just stop. I read your post about Kap being bad last year and that's just not true. He was 16td, 4int , 90.7 qbr in 8 starts . Hardly terrible . I don't know if he would make a difference or not but do some research first. He declined an option by the Niners if im correct , mistake on his part. 

Nonsense. He was 1-10 last year so he had 11 starts and his QBR was 55. If he wasn't bad last year he wouldn't have lost his job to Blaine freaking Gabbert. Him kneeling isn't the only reason he is out of the NFL. You see talents like Michael Bennett and Marshawn Lynch sitting during the anthem and they have jobs. He's being blackballed because no one is willing to take a backup with that baggage. If he had a 90 QBR he'd be starting somewhere right now.

 

I already said that he deserves to be a backup somewhere because he's probably better than half the backups. He'd still be the worst starter in the NFL. And he's not a good fit for this NFL team where fans are ripping Tolzien for not pushing it up the field when Kaep averages 6 yards a pass. He doesn't have many picks because he doesn't take any chances.

[mahagga73]

5 minutes ago, Bluefire4 said:

Nonsense. He was 1-10 last year so he had 11 starts and his QBR was 55. If he wasn't bad last year he wouldn't have lost his job to Blaine freaking Gabbert. Him kneeling isn't the only reason he is out of the NFL. You see talents like Michael Bennett and Marshawn Lynch sitting during the anthem and they have jobs. He's being blackballed because no one is willing to take a backup with that baggage. If he had a 90 QBR he'd be starting somewhere right now.

 

I already said that he deserves to be a backup somewhere because he's probably better than half the backups. He'd still be the worst starter in the NFL. And he's not a good fit for this NFL team where fans are ripping Tolzien for not pushing it up the field when Kaep averages 6 yards a pass. He doesn't have many picks because he doesn't take any chances.

He did not have 11 starts or a 55 rating. Lol. The Niners have zero talent at WR. 11.4 yards a reception. 

[Stephen]

4 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

I'm not sure you have that quote quite  right.  

Curtis painter in his first start 2 tds o ints and a 99.4 qb rating versus bucks scott tolzien two pick sixes a 33 qb rating

[jvan1973]

Just now, Stephen said:

Curtis painter in his first start 2 tds o ints and a 99.4 qb rating versus bucks scott tolzien two pick sixes a 33 qb rating

That really means zero