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So there is talks of character concerns around him. How much should that really play into deciding whether to pick him? I don't think they are major concerns like those that exist with a Mixon type. People compare him to Randy Gregory, but hopefully he isn't dumb enough to fail the combine testing.

 

On tape, I feel like he is the best pure pass rusher after Garrett. I think Garrett is a little more powerful but Williams is extremely twitchy and explosive. He has a nice array of pass moves. There are also concerns about him as a run defender. I don't see it. He looks solid against the run, especially in the LSU game.

 

He is my favorite pospect, to be honest. Do you guys think he is worthy of 14th/15th pick. Could he like to our next pick?

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We don't know what's going up with him, this is where i think Ballard could excel and making(or not)a case for him, but Tim Williams off-field concerns are scary just because he was under Nick Saban and he is pretty good handling troubled kids, so he could be an bomb waiting to explode or he could be a great player.

IMO he should be a 2nd day pick but the scout report is gonna be critical.

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I think Mixon`s issue is a thing of the past and shouldn`t be compared to what T. Williams problem is. The bottom line is weed is ILLEGAL in the NFL and T. Williams has failed multiple drug test. I just wouldn`t invest an early selection for a potential R. Gregory.  

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32 minutes ago, BProland85 said:

There are other pass rushers I like better than Williams. Charles Harris, Takkarist McKinley, Derek Barnett, and Solomon Thomas are all better in my opinion.

Personally, I disagree. I think as a pure, NFL ready pass rusher with elite athletic traits, none of those guys match up. I think Thomas has the highest ceiling but has a bit of work to do.

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15 minutes ago, MPStack said:

I think Mixon`s issue is a thing of the past and shouldn`t be compared to what T. Williams problem is. The bottom line is weed is ILLEGAL in the NFL and T. Williams has failed multiple drug test. I just wouldn`t invest an early selection for a potential R. Gregory.  

The failed drug tests were just a rumor I believe. My concern with Williams is that he seems to not have the best people surrounding him. That is usually where you run into future issues. For both him and Mixon, their draft position will rely mostly on their interviews.

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1 minute ago, Shive said:

The failed drug tests were just a rumor I believe. My concern with Williams is that he seems to not have the best people surrounding him. That is usually where you run into future issues. For both him and Mixon, their draft position will rely mostly on their interviews.

 

The multiple failed drug test with T. Williams are a fact and not rumors. He also was charged with carrying a weapon without a permit. Doesn`t sound like the smartest guy between the ears. I wouldn`t touch the kid period. 

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52 minutes ago, MPStack said:

The multiple failed drug test with T. Williams are a fact and not rumors. He also was charged with carrying a weapon without a permit. Doesn`t sound like the smartest guy between the ears. I wouldn`t touch the kid period. 

No, it was "sources" saying he failed drug tests. And he was never suspended for it.

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For me it's all about his off-field issues with him. If he's cleared, I have absolutely no problem taking him in the first. Unfortunately there are some serious murmurs that he's failed multiple drug tests in Alabama. If true, I'm not sure drafting him in the first or even the second would be wise.

 

Here's scouting report from PFF on him:

 

https://www.profootballfocus.com/draft-pff-scouting-report-tim-williams-olb-alabama

 

 

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PFF Scouting Report: Tim Williams, OLB, Alabama

Tim Williams

(Photo by Kevin C. Cox/Getty Images)

 

Name: Tim Williams

School: Alabama

Position fit: Edge defender, best fit as an outside linebacker in a 3-4

Stats to know: 16.2 pass-rushing productivity, ranked eighth among all edge defenders in 2016

 

What he does best:

  • + His raw speed off the edge is too much for many offensive tackles to match, helping him to average a pressure once every 4.9 pass-rushing attempts.
  • + Williams would often set up offensive tackles with speed off the edge, then counter inside with a subtle step. This allowed him to rack up 41 hits and sacks over the past three seasons, on just 482 pass-rushing attempts
  • + Better against the run that he’s given credit for. Strength at the point of attack helped him to make a tackle resulting in a defensive stop on 12.7 percent of his snaps in run defense.
  • + Williams saw an increase in playing time in 2016 with 428 snaps on the field, up from 197 in 2015, and maintained his strong grades and productivity across the board.
  • + He’s stronger than his frame suggests, showed the ability to jack up defenders and shed blocks in the run game.
  • + Williams can shoot gaps and make plays in the backfield.
  • + He impressed against a draftable prospect in USC right tackle Zach Banner to open the season, beating him for five QB hurries on 17 pass-rushing snaps.
  • + Owns a great first step and the ability to change direction.
  • + Williams still has room to improve, but has shown growth every season in college, so there’s reason to believe that will continue in the NFL.
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Biggest concern:

  • - 428 snaps on defense this year were the most in a single season of William’s collegiate career. That’s 684 career snaps less than Tennessee’s Derek Barnett played in 2016 alone.
  • - Williams still has room to improve against the run; 168 snaps against the run over the past three years provides a very limited sample size.
  • - His raw speed off the edge has proven too much against collegiate offensive tackles; it remains to be seen how he would do against better athletes at the position in the NFL.
  • - Williams seemed to slow down at the end of the year, with three or fewer QB pressures in four of his final give games.
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NFL player comparison: Elvis Dumervil, Baltimore Ravens

Dumervil has been one of the better pass-rushing threats in the league since entering the NFL, and while he mainly fills a pass-rush-only role for Baltimore, there’s still tremendous value in that. Williams can slot into that role for a defense while he grows into a more complete defender.

 

Bottom line:

Williams is something of a gamble given how few snaps he has played throughout his college career, meaning there is ultimately more projection than other prospects on the edge. Worst case scenario, though, he can be a pass-rushing specialist and should cause opposing offenses problems from day one.

 

 

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If Tim Williams can stay out of trouble he's who I want in the 1st. All he's ever done is get caught with a little weed, and I live in KY so we don't really think anything about guns and people carrying guns. In fact there's people who hunt outside the city limits and walk back through town with a shotgun LOL. I'm telling you. Small town KY, but anyway. As long as Williams doesn't do anything else and CB feels like he can keep out of trouble he's the best pick..

 

On the Field. The OP is 199% right. He's the absolute best EDGE rusher after Garrett. He may struggle against the run, but a lot of guys improve in that aspect once they have a year or 2 under their belt. So I'm not worried about that. The bottom line is Tim Williams is an absolute freak. Exactly what I've been wanting. a freak, double digit sack machine with some swag who opposing QB's fear and the media talks about all the time. He has that kind of talent. He's got the talent to be a top 5ish EDGE rusher in the NFL, and I think he makes an impact day 1 on. In fact it wouldn't surprise me if he comes in and is better as an all around player from the get go. He's so quick and explosive, and can beat the OT in so many ways. Like. This kid just straight up knows how to put pressure on, and get to the QB on top of all his freakish ability. 10-15 sack a year EDGE rusher who'll probably have a couple years where he puts up 16-20 sacks.

 

 

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Here's a little snippet from Tony Pauline

 

http://draftanalyst.com/hello-mobile

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Insiders tell me Tim Williams of Alabama is being underrated by most people. Scouts believe Williams could develop into one of the best defensive players from this year’s draft if he’s focused on football.

That’s one heck of a compliment considering the top of the 2017 draft.

Those scouts love Williams’ athleticism, explosion and ability to disrupt the action.  They also like the fact Williams returned for his senior season and improved on the field.

Off-the-field red flags are a concern, but many here feel it won’t hurt Williams’ draft stock all that much as his talent is too great.

 

 

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2 hours ago, MPStack said:

I think Mixon`s issue is a thing of the past and shouldn`t be compared to what T. Williams problem is. The bottom line is weed is ILLEGAL in the NFL and T. Williams has failed multiple drug test. I just wouldn`t invest an early selection for a potential R. Gregory.  

 

To the best of my knowledge,  Williams has REPORTEDLY failed multiple drug tests.

 

I do not believe this has been confirmed yet.....

 

(But it wouldn't surprise me if it's true....)

 

 

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8 minutes ago, COLTS449 said:

If Tim Williams can stay out of trouble he's who I want in the 1st. All he's ever done is get caught with a little weed, and I live in KY so we don't really think anything about guns and people carrying guns. In fact there's people who hunt outside the city limits and walk back through town with a shotgun LOL. I'm telling you. Small town KY, but anyway. As long as Williams doesn't do anything else and CB feels like he can keep out of trouble he's the best pick..

 

On the Field. The OP is 199% right. He's the absolute best EDGE rusher after Garrett. He may struggle against the run, but a lot of guys improve in that aspect once they have a year or 2 under their belt. So I'm not worried about that. The bottom line is Tim Williams is an absolute freak. Exactly what I've been wanting. a freak, double digit sack machine with some swag who opposing QB's fear and the media talks about all the time. He has that kind of talent. He's got the talent to be a top 5ish EDGE rusher in the NFL, and I think he makes an impact day 1 on. In fact it wouldn't surprise me if he comes in and is better as an all around player from the get go. He's so quick and explosive, and can beat the OT in so many ways. Like. This kid just straight up knows how to put pressure on, and get to the QB on top of all his freakish ability. 10-15 sack a year EDGE rusher who'll probably have a couple years where he puts up 16-20 sacks.

 

 

Yeh, I feel the depth at Bama stopped him showing everything he can do. His primary tool is his pass rush so he got to play more passing downs than anything, but of all the tape I have watched he isn't weak against the run like some suggest. Put on the LSU tape and see what I mean.

 

I feel like the reduced snaps could stand well for him. Less wear and tear on his body. He also has great length.

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He's the guy I want right now, unless someone else pops out. Based on all accounts, the guy sounds like he's dumber than a box of rocks, so if we draft him I hope he goes the route of Tyrann Matthieu rather than Aaron Hernandez. It'd be great if Mathis sticks around the building to teach the young guys the art of the pass rush.

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Okay. Tim Williams is a very talented player as a pass rusher. Although he is a complete one trick pony and is also apparently dumb as a box of rocks. All that coupled with his reported multiple failed drug tests for weed, for me completely discount him from the first 3 rounds, at least. The biggest attribute a player can have is availability. I have no confidence in his ability to not turn out like Randy Gregory. He has all the physical attributes but he is a character risk, a mental aptitude risk, and an on the field risk due to him struggling when asked to do anything else but rush the passer. A triple threat and a coach's nightmare. He for me is a case of "Nice house, but nobody's home".

 

Could turn out like Tyrann Mathieu but has just as much of a chance at being the next Josh Gordon or Rabdy Gregory.

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Didn't read any of these replies. But I love Tim. Arguably the best pure pass rusher in the draft.  Anybody who compares him to Randy Gregory is a dunce. And him playing with great talent doesn't negate his amazing burst off the ball, or his moves. He loves Football and would put it all out on the field every Sunday. 

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30 minutes ago, UKColt13 said:

Okay. Tim Williams is a very talented player as a pass rusher. Although he is a complete one trick pony and is also apparently dumb as a box of rocks. All that coupled with his reported multiple failed drug tests for weed, for me completely discount him from the first 3 rounds, at least. The biggest attribute a player can have is availability. I have no confidence in his ability to not turn out like Randy Gregory. He has all the physical attributes but he is a character risk, a mental aptitude risk, and an on the field risk due to him struggling when asked to do anything else but rush the passer. A triple threat and a coach's nightmare. He for me is a case of "Nice house, but nobody's home".

 

Could turn out like Tyrann Mathieu but has just as much of a chance at being the next Josh Gordon or Rabdy Gregory.

 

 

You're starting to convince me. I'm beginning to think he drops to about the third, which I would definitely take him if he did. Also the very low snap count isn't a good look. 

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17 minutes ago, The Peytonator said:

 

 

You're starting to convince me. I'm beginning to think he drops to about the third, which I would definitely take him if he did. Also the very low snap count isn't a good look. 

The 3rd? For getting caught with a small amount of weed in september? We don't even know if he failed 1 drug test, literally just rumors.  The latest he will go is early 2nd unless he fails a test at the combine(he wont)

14 minutes ago, The Peytonator said:

He's definitely tough to predict. It's not unheard of for guys like him to go undrafted.

Undrafted?! Have you done research on Tim or just listening to these crazy posts?

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54 minutes ago, UKColt13 said:

Okay. Tim Williams is a very talented player as a pass rusher. Although he is a complete one trick pony and is also apparently dumb as a box of rocks. All that coupled with his reported multiple failed drug tests for weed, for me completely discount him from the first 3 rounds, at least. The biggest attribute a player can have is availability. I have no confidence in his ability to not turn out like Randy Gregory. He has all the physical attributes but he is a character risk, a mental aptitude risk, and an on the field risk due to him struggling when asked to do anything else but rush the passer. A triple threat and a coach's nightmare. He for me is a case of "Nice house, but nobody's home".

 

Could turn out like Tyrann Mathieu but has just as much of a chance at being the next Josh Gordon or Rabdy Gregory.

There's literally nothing in common between Tim and Randy. One was lazy and had mental problems and DID fail tests, then failed another when he knew he would be tested. Tim has great character, and the only negatives about him are rumors. (Him having a little pot is literally nothing, soo many college players smoke weed) 

Bad and lazy comparison. Mathieu makes a lot more sense. 

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I think we're in such a great position for this years draft. Lots of nice pass rushers that will be available to us. I really like Tim Williams. He's very fast and explosive off the edge. Looks much quicker than the other edge rushers in the draft. I hope we take a good long look at him though. If we don't get Williams and Solomon Thomas is somehow there, that would be my next choice. I like Takk McKinley and Taco Charlton but they don't look as explosive as Williams. Lots of good choices here.

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11 minutes ago, Majin Vegeta said:

There's literally nothing in common between Tim and Randy. One was lazy and had mental problems and DID fail tests, then failed another when he knew he would be tested. Tim has great character, and the only negatives about him are rumors. (Him having a little pot is literally nothing, soo many college players smoke weed) 

Bad and lazy comparison. Mathieu makes a lot more sense. 

 

Randy Gregory is a complete nightmare of a player I grant you and Williams hasn't gone 'full-Gregory'. 

 

When it comes to the rumours, I'm usually of the opinion that where there is smoke (in this case quite a lot of widely reported and uncontested smoke) there is normally fire. And until someone of merit comes out and says these rumours are false, that fire isn't going out any time soon.

 

Since we need to make impact contributions to the defense that can be building blocks. I can't count on him. For me I wouldn't even look at him before the 4th. I'm fully aware I'm probably in the minority and some teams will be more willing to overlook it. I think he'll go in the 2nd but I don't think it should be to us. There are safer picks out there.

 

 

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44 minutes ago, The Peytonator said:

 

 

You're starting to convince me. I'm beginning to think he drops to about the third, which I would definitely take him if he did. Also the very low snap count isn't a good look. 

 

He apparently had to have a LOT of things simplified for him since he had a lot of trouble getting the scheme down. The low snap count concerns me too. Not all of his issues are off the field sadly. I'd say right now he's a risky Elvis Dumervil as a pass rush specialist.

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5 minutes ago, UKColt13 said:

 

Randy Gregory is a complete nightmare of a player I grant you and Williams hasn't gone 'full-Gregory'. 

 

When it comes to the rumours, I'm usually of the opinion that where there is smoke (in this case quite a lot of widely reported and uncontested smoke) there is normally fire. And until someone of merit comes out and says these rumours are false, that fire isn't going out any time soon.

 

Since we need to make impact contributions to the defense that can be building blocks. I can't count on him. For me I wouldn't even look at him before the 4th. I'm fully aware I'm probably in the minority and some teams will be more willing to overlook it. I think he'll go in the 2nd but I don't think it should be to us. There are safer picks out there.

 

 

He is, and it's not a fair comparison at all for Tim.

 

And that makes sense, but I don't see Tim ruining his career over pot. He obviously loves Football, and the fact that his only negatives are rumors says something I think.. if he never got caught with that dime bag, would these rumors even exist? Who knows.

 

Hopefully things become clearer as the draft gets closer. 

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34 minutes ago, Majin Vegeta said:

The 3rd? For getting caught with a small amount of weed in september? We don't even know if he failed 1 drug test, literally just rumors.  The latest he will go is early 2nd unless he fails a test at the combine(he wont)

Undrafted?! Have you done research on Tim or just listening to these crazy posts?

 

 

I'm just cautious on someone if I hear too many character concerns. They may just be rumors, but I believe that where there's smoke there's fire, and this dude just has too much smoke. I'm just saying that it's entirely possible he goes undrafted. La'el Collins went undrafted for a far dumber reason. If it's true that Tim is surrounding himself with bad people, that really does not bode well for his future. I hope it's all just rumor. 

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3 minutes ago, Majin Vegeta said:

He is, and it's not a fair comparison at all for Tim.

 

And that makes sense, but I don't see Tim ruining his career over pot. He obviously loves Football, and the fact that his only negatives are rumors says something I think.. if he never got caught with that dime bag, would these rumors even exist? Who knows.

 

Hopefully things become clearer as the draft gets closer. 

 

And that's a big issue because I think too many people (not necessarily you btw) equate the ability to get out of drugs with how talented they are as an overall player. Matthieu made a conscious decision to not be a screw up anymore, and I applaud him for that, and he turned out great. But Josh Gordon had the talent to be a top 3 receiver and a perrenial All-Pro. He obviously loved playing football. But those issues stuck with him and ultimately consumed him. 

 

I find it worrying that these rumours have been circling for at least a month now and none of Nick Saban, the Bama FO, even Tim himself have come to his defense. But the rumours will either be proven or proven wrong in the run up to the draft.

 

Also I wouldn't say his only negatives are the weed issue. He has apparently had to have a lot of the scheme simplified for him to understand. Bama have been hesitant to let him do anything but rush the passer, evidenced by his incredibly low snap counts. I think to start off he'd end up as a designated rusher whilst he learns the ins and outs of the scheme and develops into a more rounded player. He is far from a finished product.

 

If we were a contender and we already had a top 10 defense, and he fell to the 2nd. Then I wouldn't be mad at taking him. Because why not? But since right now we need reliable building blocks to build what is effectively a brand new defense, I just can't risk him early. 

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40 minutes ago, The Peytonator said:

 

 

I'm just cautious on someone if I hear too many character concerns. They may just be rumors, but I believe that where there's smoke there's fire, and this dude just has too much smoke. I'm just saying that it's entirely possible he goes undrafted. La'el Collins went undrafted for a far dumber reason. If it's true that Tim is surrounding himself with bad people, that really does not bode well for his future. I hope it's all just rumor. 

There aren't even character concerns. He has great character. There's just rumors of failed tests. Lael Collins was in like a murder case, way different situation...

 

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47 minutes ago, UKColt13 said:

 

And that's a big issue because I think too many people (not necessarily you btw) equate the ability to get out of drugs with how talented they are as an overall player. Matthieu made a conscious decision to not be a screw up anymore, and I applaud him for that, and he turned out great. But Josh Gordon had the talent to be a top 3 receiver and a perrenial All-Pro. He obviously loved playing football. But those issues stuck with him and ultimately consumed him. 

 

I find it worrying that these rumours have been circling for at least a month now and none of Nick Saban, the Bama FO, even Tim himself have come to his defense. But the rumours will either be proven or proven wrong in the run up to the draft.

 

Also I wouldn't say his only negatives are the weed issue. He has apparently had to have a lot of the scheme simplified for him to understand. Bama have been hesitant to let him do anything but rush the passer, evidenced by his incredibly low snap counts. I think to start off he'd end up as a designated rusher whilst he learns the ins and outs of the scheme and develops into a more rounded player. He is far from a finished product.

 

If we were a contender and we already had a top 10 defense, and he fell to the 2nd. Then I wouldn't be mad at taking him. Because why not? But since right now we need reliable building blocks to build what is effectively a brand new defense, I just can't risk him early. 

Josh Gordon got kicked out of Baylor. Mathieu actually did fail 2 drug tests, and went to rehab. Tim got caught with a little bag of weed-that's the end. See how different their situations are? So unless we get legit confirmation he failed tests, and he fails a test at the combine. I think he is fine. Jmo. 

 

Do you have a link about the scheme being simplified?

 & I agree he isn't "complete". He isn't good against the run yet. But neither is Takk and a lot of people love him.

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3 minutes ago, Majin Vegeta said:

Josh Gordon got kicked out of Baylor. Mathieu actually did fail 2 drug tests, and went to rehab. Tim got caught with a little bag of weed-that's the end. See how different their situations are? So unless we get legit confirmation he failed tests, and he fails a test at the combine. I think he is fine. Jmo. 

 

Do you have a link about the scheme being simplified?

 & I agree he isn't "complete". He isn't good against the run yet. But neither is Takk and a lot of people love him.

 

It's in his NFL.com draft profile.

 

Takk isn't great against the run either. But he is a solid and improving rusher with good character. He has 2 out of 3 and the 3rd can be improved upon with NFL coaching.

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5 minutes ago, UKColt13 said:

 

It's in his NFL.com draft profile.

 

Takk isn't great against the run either. But he is a solid and improving rusher with good character. He has 2 out of 3 and the 3rd can be improved upon with NFL coaching.

Some scouts think he struggled with scheme.. I just wonder how they would know.

 

And imo Tim has 2 out of 3 too. I'd rather take Barnett anyway over them both:)

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8 hours ago, backshoulderfade said:

So there is talks of character concerns around him. How much should that really play into deciding whether to pick him? I don't think they are major concerns like those that exist with a Mixon type. People compare him to Randy Gregory, but hopefully he isn't dumb enough to fail the combine testing.

 

On tape, I feel like he is the best pure pass rusher after Garrett. I think Garrett is a little more powerful but Williams is extremely twitchy and explosive. He has a nice array of pass moves. There are also concerns about him as a run defender. I don't see it. He looks solid against the run, especially in the LSU game.

 

He is my favorite pospect, to be honest. Do you guys think he is worthy of 14th/15th pick. Could he like to our next pick?

Its not about being dumb.  Its about caring about weed almost more than life its self.  If weed suddenly disappeared off of the face of the earth, guys like him would be devastated.  Wouldn't know what to do in their free time.

 

He's not even draftable.

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3 hours ago, Majin Vegeta said:

There aren't even character concerns. He has great character. There's just rumors of failed tests. Lael Collins was in like a murder case, way different situation...

 

Collins was providing information about a victim (ex-girlfriend) and the police came out and said he wasn't a suspect. I agree, a completely different situation but that went from top 20 draft pick to undrafted.

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5 hours ago, Majin Vegeta said:

There aren't even character concerns. He has great character. There's just rumors of failed tests. Lael Collins was in like a murder case, way different situation...

 

What is your source for that? Do you know him personally or do you have some sort of journalistic profile on him(that's genuine question, I'd love to read/see such a piece if there is one)? I see you repeat that mantra several times. Just repeating this won't make it true, you know? He was caught at 2am in his own weed smoked up car with weed in him AND with a gun without a permit. This at the very least is very questionable decision-making, and at worst points to him being a complete *, who has very little self-control with multi-million NFL career pending. And this is in addition to the reports of him failing multiple drug tests. The 'sources' are reportedly scouts employed by NFL teams. This is not like some random nobody telling reporters - hey he failed tests. Is it possible those scout are spreading misinformation so he'd fall on draft night to their team? Sure, I guess... If they rely on other teams doing their research by what's in the media and not doing their own research. One thing is sure, though, there is plenty of smoke to warrant concern at the very least.

 

Williams is my personal pass-rush favorite for our first round pick if he's cleared on the drugs suspicion, but lets not act like he's squeaky clean and there's nothing to worry about.

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