BOTT Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 1 hour ago, ReMeDy said: Yea I was going to say, if Peyton is supposedly such a good coach, why was Curtis Painter so atrocious? Jim Sorgi wasn't much better. I know he wasn't paid to coach, but did he seriously not have anything to offer those players? You can't shine a turd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lennymoore24 Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Because Patriots assistants and GMs have had such a stellar record once they leave NE. Not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOTT Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 5 hours ago, lennymoore24 said: Because Patriots assistants and GMs have had such a stellar record once they leave NE. Not. Name on that had a legitimate QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two_pound Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Some of the biggest failures in nfl history have been Belichick assistants becoming head coaches. They are horrible. Look it up. Maybe it's because they don't try to cheat every second of every day and just try to abide by the rules. Hiring a * assistant would drive this franchise right into the abyss similiar to the 80's and 90's. The only success this franchise has had in the last 43 seasons has been with intelligent African-American head coaches so that is only way to go if a new head coach is needed following this season. Names to consider- Singletary, Hue Jackson, of course bring back Dungy, Leslie Frazier, Ray Horton, and there are others to consider. I don't know how the Texans suddenly turned it around this year other than there were alot of people laughing at how bad that former Belichick assistant O'brien was doing, then suddenly they started winning, with out a qb at that. HAHAHAHA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvan1973 Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 14 hours ago, BOTT said: You can't shine a turd https://youtu.be/yiJ9fy1qSFI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jshipp23 Posted December 27, 2015 Author Share Posted December 27, 2015 On 12/22/2015 at 9:11 AM, krunk said: Herm Edwards record was worse than Pagano. He came into KC and ruined a quite functional offense. Plus if you hire him you have to totally rebuild the defense because he's going to take us right back to the good ole Tampa 2. Never had Luck..js...I'd run through a wall for that guy.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jshipp23 Posted December 27, 2015 Author Share Posted December 27, 2015 On 12/22/2015 at 6:57 PM, Coffeedrinker said: I don't dislike Pagano at all. And he has helped orchestrate some of the best comeback victories in Colts history. I like him about as much as I did Jim Mora. Good coach but has some flaws that I don't think he can overcome. Pagano will be a college coach from hell, where he belongs tbh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lennymoore24 Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Well, when you say name a QB they had. but that is pretty much the rule of any coach in the NFL. Bill Belichick didn't have QB in Cleveland. Most coaches who don't have good QB are going to lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALL BLUE Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 27 minutes ago, lennymoore24 said: Well, when you say name a QB they had. but that is pretty much the rule of any coach in the NFL. Bill Belichick didn't have QB in Cleveland. Most coaches who don't have good QB are going to lose. Not sure but thought I read somewhere that the hoodie is around 500 without Tommy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOTT Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 30 minutes ago, lennymoore24 said: Well, when you say name a QB they had. but that is pretty much the rule of any coach in the NFL. Bill Belichick didn't have QB in Cleveland. Most coaches who don't have good QB are going to lose. That was the point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachLite Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 On 12/23/2015 at 10:07 AM, Jason_S said: What is "it" exactly? "It" is the combination of skill and intelligence in understanding strategy, tactics, personnel and leadership that it takes to win at football. In asking that question, I hope you are not trying to become a coach in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason_ Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 On 12/27/2015 at 4:19 PM, jshipp23 said: Never had Luck..js...I'd run through a wall for that guy.. Don't let us stop you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason_ Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 3 minutes ago, CoachLite said: "It" is the combination of skill and intelligence in understanding strategy, tactics, personnel and leadership that it takes to win at football. In asking that question, I hope you are not trying to become a coach in the NFL. Thanks for your concern, I suppose, but I wasn't asking for myself. I just wanted to see if you had any idea what you were talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OHColtfan Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 Don't want Gruden- did OK in Oakland, had one real good season in TB before coaching that franchise down into the swamps. Like him even less now that I have listened to him waffle all over the place calling games. One minute the guy is the second coming, the next he can't get out of his own way. Do want a coach that will make an impact. Just my opinion, but we seem to be a team that lacks any kind of identity on O or D. Don't see where Pagano has really made a difference with this team as far as knowing who we are or how we play. He hasn't built a monster. He hasn't brought any kind of real stamp to this team. It all just seems kind of, OK. Agree with previous posters who said that he doesn't really seem to bring any tactical advantage to the team. Don't ever remember when anyone talked about how they needed to gameplan for any aspect of our team- no, well on a Pagano team ______ Have suggested a couple of names in another thread (just thoughts), but like Shaw from Stanford (good NFL connections and credentials), Pete Carmichael from New Orleans (maybe time for Offensive focused HC), or Doug Marrone (quirky guy, but seems to win wherever he goes) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimJaime Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 On 12/22/2015 at 8:36 AM, jshipp23 said: Colts need a proven coach who will have the players RESPECT...These are my top choices. .. 1-Bill Cowher, will change the culture and bring the toughness we have been lacking for years... 2-John Gruden , will do wonders with Luck's progression. ... 3-Jim Harbaugh, would b my #1 choice and the perfect coach , but it's a long shot he will leave Michigan...Throw 10 million a yr at him and gm and hc and u never know.......... 4- Herm Edwards, has had success without having a qb, give him Andrew Luck and see what he can do...I guarantee the players will run through a wall for him and be accountable. .He is my dark horse and possibly the best choice.... 5- Hue Jackson, love his offensive philosophy, get a good DC and he could very well turn us into a juggernaut. ... Bill Cowher/ John Gruden/Herm Edwards -- are retired and have NO plans coming back so I dont see that happening. harbaugh -- He will not leave till they win a national title again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinPeterson Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 On 12/27/2015 at 6:33 PM, lennymoore24 said: Well, when you say name a QB they had. but that is pretty much the rule of any coach in the NFL. Bill Belichick didn't have QB in Cleveland. Most coaches who don't have good QB are going to lose. Hmm... he did go 11-5 with Matt Cassel. The same Matt Cassel who is 1 and 7 behind the much vaunted Dallas O Line this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimJaime Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 1 hour ago, MartinPeterson said: Hmm... he did go 11-5 with Matt Cassel. The same Matt Cassel who is 1 and 7 behind the much vaunted Dallas O Line this year. BB also made the playoffs 1 of the 3 years he was in Cleveland. But does ANYONE do well in Cleveland? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOTT Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 6 minutes ago, JimJaime said: BB also made the playoffs 1 of the 3 years he was in Cleveland. But does ANYONE do well in Cleveland? Marty Shottenheimer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOTT Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 1 hour ago, MartinPeterson said: Hmm... he did go 11-5 with Matt Cassel. The same Matt Cassel who is 1 and 7 behind the much vaunted Dallas O Line this year. The same Matt Cassel who led the Chiefs to the playoffs. Funny how BB gets more credit for missing the playoffs with Cassel than Todd Haley does actually making the playoffs with him.....with a less talented team no less. people probably get tired of me pointing this out, but I find it amusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coltfreak Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 On 12/22/2015 at 11:41 AM, CoachLite said: Yes. You don't want a HC that has never failed, but one smart enough to learn from his mistakes. Gruden seems like "he gets it". What "it" is, is the important part. he had seasons of 4-12 and 5-11 where does the line for fail no fail fall? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 3 hours ago, BOTT said: The same Matt Cassel who led the Chiefs to the playoffs. Funny how BB gets more credit for missing the playoffs with Cassel than Todd Haley does actually making the playoffs with him.....with a less talented team no less. people probably get tired of me pointing this out, but I find it amusing. I don't know about the more or less credit thing, but the Pats missed the playoffs with an 11-5 record, while the Chargers made the playoffs at 8-8. (Could be the same this year with the Steelers and whoever wins the AFC South.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Waylon Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 Chip Kelly come on down, you're the next contestant on the list of candidates! *shudders* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jules Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 11 minutes ago, John Waylon said: Chip Kelly come on down, you're the next contestant on the list of candidates! *shudders* Houston radio has us getting Sean Payton too now lol. That I would not be against but I don't see it happening. If Chip Kelly was looked at by the Colts......omg....no. Please no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jules Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 7 hours ago, BOTT said: The same Matt Cassel who led the Chiefs to the playoffs. Funny how BB gets more credit for missing the playoffs with Cassel than Todd Haley does actually making the playoffs with him.....with a less talented team no less. people probably get tired of me pointing this out, but I find it amusing. The 2008 Pats also played an absolute cupcake schedule. And it was still the 2007 18-0 team basically give or take a player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisfarley Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 3 minutes ago, Jules said: Houston radio has us getting Sean Payton too now lol. That I would not be against but I don't see it happening. If Chip Kelly was looked at by the Colts......omg....no. Please no. Chip Kelly Sean Peyton Matt Patricia McDaniels Coordinator for the Bills (forgot his name) Jon Gruden Mike Ditka (heard his name thrown out there but god help us all) Jutting Jaw who else do you surmise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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