Any chance 'Boom' supplants T-Rich? (Merge)

[NewColtsFan]

Isn't that the whole definition of a bust?  If JaMarcus Russell was a 7th round pick, no one would care.  But he was a first rounder and set the Raiders back a few years.  You could make the case that Trent was a first round pick twice, seeing as how Cleveland took him 3rd overall (in fact, they traded up from 4 to 3 to draft him), and we gave up a 1st for him.  You give up a first, you expect to see results.  RG3 cost the Redskins many draft picks, so they should be fine with it if he develops into an average starter or very good backup?  When you invest a lot into a player, you will have high expectations in return.  I don't think that's absurd.  He and Bradshaw run behind the same line, so to blame the OL doesn't justify it, in my opinion.  Simply put, Richardson is an average to below average RB in the NFL, and a bust of a draft pick.  He was starting to look decent at points during the year, but he's lately reverted back to the same old Trent.  He has everything going for him now; he's been in the offensive system for quite some time and the guy ahead of him is now injured.  It's his chance to show everyone what he's made of

[#12]

You said "he would be out of the league"....

 

Now, to be argumentative, you're sarcastically saying "usually keep a stranglehold on their jobs"

 

Two different things.

 

If you want to say he wouldn't start on most teams -- fine.    That's a fair argument.

 

But that wasn't your original argument that I responded to.    You claimed if he wasn't a #1 pick he'd be out of football.

 

And that's simply not true.

 

And that's what I'm talking about.........

[NewColtsFan]

No, he wouldn't start - he wouldn't be playing, period.  Based on his performance to date... through nearly three full seasons?   Three seasons.  It's difficult for a productive RB in this league to get a second contract.  Were he not a # 1 pick, he would not be playing in this league.  Players routinely get benched, canned or cut for much, much less. 

 

Had he been an UFA, he would be working at Best Buy by now. 

[lennymoore24]

As long as their are no holes and D-Linemen in the backfield, a prime Adrian Peterson wouldn't gain a yard.

[Stephen]

Herron is better and will eventually start, Richardson is slow and dances too much.

[ponyboy]

herron can't block

 

And how did you come to this conclusion?   He's had 8 pass blocking opportunities his entire 3 years in the league (0 sacks, 0 hurries) -- kind of hard to conclude anything one way or the other off that.

[backshoulderfade]

If T-Rich can bring his yardage up to about 80 all purpose per game I am satisfied. He gets about 66 at the moment.

If he plays the majority of snaps then obviously that number goes up.

[Moopsiepuffs]

Well....   you're all over the map in this reply.....    but it doesn't really matter,  because you're pretty much wrong on all of them.

 

That's impressive.

 

And perhaps the best one is this....   that's it's pretty difficult for a productive RB in this league to get a 2nd contract.

 

You gotta know that if you're going to make a claim like that,  you're going to have to back it up with those pesky facts.

 

Please feel free to list productive running backs who, after their first contract expired in 3 or 4 years,  had trouble getting a 2nd contract.    

 

This is a list I look forward to seeing.

 

You're still arguing out of emotion.   Frustration and anger are getting the better of you.   But, be my guest.   Take the time to compile that list.    And I'll check it out.

 

 

Why do you always leave massive gaps                             in your posts?............... and you always 

 

 use .....................  

 

                        why is that?

[IndyD4U]

Why do you always leave massive gaps                             in your posts?............... and you always 

 

 use .....................  

 

                        why is that?

[IndyD4U]

The issue is with the O-line. I don't care who we have running the ball they aren't going anywhere behind this train wreck

[Kyle]

I don't think he will but i added Boom on my fantasy team because there is most definitely a chance that he will.

[Moopsiepuffs]

The issue is with the O-line. I don't care who we have running the ball they aren't going anywhere behind this train wreck

[IndyD4U]

How do you explain Donald Brown and Ahmad Bradshaw having much greater success behind the same offensive line as Richardson?

[Moopsiepuffs]

Success? Donald Brown hasn't played for the Colts this season and Bradshaw has averaged 30 yards his last three games. I don't necessarily call that success, but okay. Not discrediting Bradshaw at all, but his asset has been catching the ball out of the backfield. 

[IndyD4U]

Eh, I am aware that Brown is no longer on the Colts roster. He still played behind the same offensive line as Richardson last year, and had far greater success.

 

This year running the ball (not catching out of the backfield), Bradshaw is averaging 4.7 yards per carry, Richardson 3.4. 

 

That is a MASSIVE difference. 

 

To put it in perspective, Bradshaw is ranked 14th in the league in yards per carry. Richardson is ranked 45th.

 

Bradshaw - 14th

Richardson - 45th

 

 

Any explanation for this? Or shall we just blame it on the offensive line...

[Moopsiepuffs]

I'm not questioning who's the better back. Not sure where you got that idea from. However, I am questioning the integrity of our line, which gets blown off the ball and does not create the holes needed. Or protect Luck

[azcolt]

Herron is better and will eventually start, Richardson is slow and dances too much.

[#12]

Well....   you're all over the map in this reply.....    but it doesn't really matter,  because you're pretty much wrong on all of them.

 

That's impressive.

 

And perhaps the best one is this....   that's it's pretty difficult for a productive RB in this league to get a 2nd contract.

 

You gotta know that if you're going to make a claim like that,  you're going to have to back it up with those pesky facts.

 

Please feel free to list productive running backs who, after their first contract expired in 3 or 4 years,  had trouble getting a 2nd contract.    

 

This is a list I look forward to seeing.

 

You're still arguing out of emotion.   Frustration and anger are getting the better of you.   But, be my guest.   Take the time to compile that list.    And I'll check it out.

[IndyD4U]

You blamed the offensive line, saying;

 

"I don't care who we have running the ball they aren't going anywhere behind this train wreck."

 

I have shown you that Bradshaw has run the ball far better than Richardson. As did Donald Brown last year.

 

Does that not suggest to you that Trent is the problem? Why is he ranked 45th in yards per carry, while Ahmad is averaging nearly 5 yards per carry?

 

Trent is part of the problem, yes, he's ineffective. The O-line is to blame also. How in the world can you not see that?

[Moopsiepuffs]

Trent is part of the problem, yes, he's ineffective. The O-line is to blame also. How in the world can you not see that?

 

The Colts offensive line is far from great. I can see that fine, thank you very much.

 

My issue was you trying to blame Trent's issues on the offensive line. "Oh, nobody can run behind that train wreck."

 

Well actually, yes, yes you can run behind that line, as I have shown you with Bradshaw's stats. I can pull up Brown's from last year if you still can't see my point?

[Dustin]

If you honestly think Trent Richardson would be out of the league if he weren't a #1 pick,  then you simply don't know much about football.     I'm sorry,  I don't mean this in a mean-spirited kind of way.

 

 

Richardson is statistically the 2nd worst runner in NFL history to ever get significant carries. Not that big of a leap to assume he wouldn't be on a roster if he wasn't living off of his hype.

 

No team in their right mind would be giving him carries like Grigson insists on doing. 

[Dustin]

Trent is part of the problem, yes, he's ineffective. The O-line is to blame also. How in the world can you not see that?

 

The Colt's run blocking isn't even half as bad as you people make it seem. It looks a lot worse when your runningback is awful. 

[#12]

Richardson is statistically the 2nd worst runner in NFL history to ever get significant carries.

 

Apparently, I know nothing about football, and admittedly I'm no genius, but that's not good. 

[Gavin]

The Colt's run blocking isn't even half as bad as you people make it seem. It looks a lot worse when your runningback is awful. 

Tell ya the truth if ya watch him closely in recent memory I have never seen a Back take so many steps and gotten so few yards out of them, It consistently takes him 9-10-11 steps just to get to the LOS. There is no way that's normal

[Superfly Jay]

It doesn't matter what Boom does, Richardson will be the starter by default. Grigson panicked when Ballard got injured, and the Browns made him a offer he couldn't refuse. They played him for a fool. Now he's trying to justify the move he made by continuously making the coaching staff start him.

[Dustin]

Trent Richardson has never had a good game as a Colt. It's crazy if you think about it. Even the worst players in the league look good at least a few weeks out of the year. Hell, Cassius Vaughn had 2 picks in a game last year.

 

But TRich has NEVER had a game where you look at it objectively and say "wow, Trent was really impressive last game". It's crazy to think that his best game running as a Colt was a game where he had 2 fumbles. 

[corgi]

Trent Richardson has never had a good game as a Colt. It's crazy if you think about it. Even the worst players in the league look good at least a few weeks out of the year. Hell, Cassius Vaughn had 2 picks in a game last year.

 

But TRich has NEVER had a game where you look at it objectively and say "wow, Trent was really impressive last game". It's crazy to think that his best game running as a Colt was a game where he had 2 fumbles. 

The game he got hurt he was on his way to surpassing 100 yards on the ground. Your statement is not true.

[Dustin]

The game he got hurt he was on his way to surpassing 100 yards on the ground. Your statement is not true.

 

which game was that? 

[ponyboy]

Your view of Trent (and the view of most around here)  is colored by the fact that we gave up a #1 for him.

 

Not at all.   My view is colored by drives that have stalled by handing him the ball in the backfield.

[BOTT]

Yes. But that says more about TRich than it does about Herron.

[Gavin]

which game was that? 

[Bluefire4]

If Trent plays horrible and Boom plays great than yes but I doubt that will happen.

[Dustin]

well he was on his way vs the Bengals, 14 carries for 77 yards, Then vs the Giants only 7 carries but managed 33 yards out that, He has had 3-4 good games based on his touches in those games:

 

Bengals

Ravens

Giants

Jax

[corgi]

which game was that? 

vs the Bengals. 14 rushes, 77 yards. 5.5 avg.

[OffensivelyPC]

Its like people just dont understand that we need good blocking to run the ball...

[IndyD4U]

Its like people just dont understand that we need good blocking to run the ball...

 

Amen

[ponyboy]

Its like people just dont understand that we need good blocking to run the ball...

 

I feel bad for the OL of Trent's new team in 2016.  I wonder if they'll know they're about to be tainted.

[BOTT]

Its like people just dont understand that we need good blocking to run the ball...

People understand that.....and they also understand Trich looks like the least talented runner the colts have used in the last several yrs.

[Moopsiepuffs]

Its like people just dont understand that we need good blocking to run the ball...

 

It's like you don't understand that Bradshaw was running well above average in yards per carry while Richardson is awful behind the same offensive line.

[OffensivelyPC]

It's like you don't understand that Bradshaw was running well above average in yards per carry while Richardson is awful behind the same offensive line.

clearly you didnt watch last game, texans, and broncos.