jbaron04 Posted September 14, 2011 Share Posted September 14, 2011 i will only calculate to 2005 since 2005 the colts drafted 56 players of them 56 only 25 players our on their team nowto get a little more accurate ill count 1st thru 4thsince 2005 the colts drafted 30 players from the 1st thru 4th round of them 30 only 15 players our on their team nowto get a little closer ill do only 1st and 2ndsince 2005 the colts draft 13 players thru the 1st and 2nd rounds of them 13 players 9 our on their them nowof them 9 that our on the team only 4 our starters so basically 56 picks since 2005 18 our contributers now only 9 our starters ill do 1st thru 3rdsince 2005 the colts took 21 players from the 1st to 3rd round of them 21 players 7 were on offense with 14 on defensesince 1998 the colts took 9 offensive players out of a possible 13 first draft selectionsok2011 nfl draft1. anthony constanzo2. ben ijalana3. drake nevis4. delone carter5.6. chris rucker7.2010 nfl draft1. jerry hughes2. pat angerer3. kevin thomas4. Jacques McClendon5. brody eldridge6.7. ricardo mathews7. kavell conner7. ray fisher2009 nfl draft1. donald brown2. fili moala3. jerruad powers4. austin collie5. Terrance Taylor6. Curtis Painter7. Pat McAfee7. Jaimie Thomas2008 nfl draft 1.2. mike pollack3. Philip Wheeler4. Jacob Tamme5. Marcus Howard6. Tom Santi6. Steve Justice6. Mike Hart6. Pierre Garcon7. Jamey Richard2007 nfl draft 1. Anthony Gonzalez2. Tony Ugoh3. Dante Hughes3. Quinn Pitcock4. Brannon Condren4. Clint Session5. Roy Hall5. Michael Coe7. Keyunta Dawson2006 nfl draft 1. Joseph Addai2. Tim Jennings3. Freddie Keiaho5. Michael Toudouze6. Charlie Johnson6. Antoine Bethea7. T.J. Rushing2005 nfl draft 1. Marlin Jackson2. Kelvin Hayden3. Vincent Burns4. Dylan Gandy4. Matt Giordano5. Jonathan Welsh5. Robert Hunt5. Tyjuan Hagler6. Dave Rayner7. Anthony Davis2004 nfl draft 1. 2. Bob Sanders3. Ben Hartsock3. Gilbert Gardner4. Kendyll Pope4. Jason David5. Jake Scott6. Von Hutchins6. Jim Sorgi7. David Kimball2003 nfl draft 1. Dallas Clark2. mike doss3. Donald Strickland4. Steve Sciullo5. Robert Mathis5. Keyon Whiteside6. Cato June6. Makoa Freitas2002 nfl draft1. Dwight Freeney2. Larry Tripplett3. Joseph Jefferson4. David Thornton6. David Pugh6. James Lewis6. Brian Allen7. josh mallard2001 nfl draft 1. Reggie Wayne2. Idrees Bashir3. Cory Bird4. Ryan Diem5. Raymond Walls6. Jason Doering7. Rick DeMulling2000 nfl draft 1. Rob Morris2. Marcus Washington3. David Macklin4. Josh Williams5. Matt Johnson7. Rob Renes7. Rodregis Brooks1999 nfl draft 1. Edgerrin James2. Mike Peterson3. Brandon Burlsworth4. Paul Miranda5. Brad Scioli7. Hunter Smith7. Corey Terry1998 nfl draft1. Peyton Manning2. Jerome Pathon3. E.G. Green4. Steve McKinney5. Antony Jordan7. Aaron Taylor7. Cory Gaines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisfarley Posted September 14, 2011 Share Posted September 14, 2011 of those, how many did we let get away through FA or not-resigning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbaron04 Posted September 14, 2011 Author Share Posted September 14, 2011 think about 14 good players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betty27_1 Posted September 14, 2011 Share Posted September 14, 2011 I think the problem is, the Colts never prepared themselves of the possibility that they may not have Peyton for any given time during the season. My view on not only a back up QB, but the entire team is you have to be ready at any time to play without your star QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GwinnettColt Posted September 14, 2011 Share Posted September 14, 2011 I think the problem is, the Colts never prepared themselves of the possibility that they may not have Peyton for any given time during the season. My view on not only a back up QB, but the entire team is you have to be ready at any time to play without your star QB.I agree. That and the idea that they haven't had a decent OLine since Tarik retired and Jake Scott left. With the defense, they've never been able to tackle or stop the run in most games. There's talent there but as we saw Sunday, it's not a team-oriented defense lately. They've put the weight on Peyton's shoulders. The Steelers did ok without Roethlisberger the first few games because they have a tough defense. A mediocre offense can put points on the board. We can recover this season. Tweak the O-line. Defense does their job, things will be ok. Probably not playoff bound, however, which is a whole different story in relation to next year's draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thewholefnshow28 Posted September 14, 2011 Share Posted September 14, 2011 I think the most telling things about this is how much it hurts when you start missing on first round picks. Since 2007 the FO has basically whiffed on all of our picks for various reasons. When you are not hitting on your first round picks you are missing out some impact players. 2007: Anthony Gonzalez2008: Tony Ugoh (I am counting Ugoh as our first since we gave one up for him.)2009: Donald Brown2010: Jerry HughesPeople will say the jury is still out on Hughes, but when you have the GM coming out and saying it was a mistake to take him instead of Saffold you know the guy is not going to amount to much.If Hughes does not turn it around that is 5 straight years of busts. You cannot sustain depth and keep the team well rounded around Manning missing on top picks like that.What has helped is Polian is great at finding those hidden gems like Bethea, Garcon, and Conner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HouFan Posted September 14, 2011 Share Posted September 14, 2011 The Colts have not drafted well but the number of guys they keep on drafts, even more so in later rounds, does not mean they drafted poorly. Bad teams usually keep all of their draft picks, because their team sucks and anyone else would be better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zachb Posted September 14, 2011 Share Posted September 14, 2011 The colts have road on the coat tails of manning for so long. The truth is we havent been a good draft day in soo long. We need new front office . They have proven there arragance no bigger example than this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tfunky14 Posted September 14, 2011 Share Posted September 14, 2011 another *&%(( post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbaron04 Posted September 14, 2011 Author Share Posted September 14, 2011 the most alarming things is that not one player from the 2004 or 5 draft is on the team and only 2 from the 2006 and 1 from the 2007 draft them draft classes our suppose to be the veterans comtributing now but really 3 players from the 2004 - 2007 two first round pick and a 6thgonzo 07 addai 06bethea 06 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridgewater Posted September 14, 2011 Share Posted September 14, 2011 Run those numbers for every team in the league and get back to us. Looking only at one team means nothing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manningfan Posted September 14, 2011 Share Posted September 14, 2011 I think the problem is, the Colts never prepared themselves of the possibility that they may not have Peyton for any given time during the season. My view on not only a back up QB, but the entire team is you have to be ready at any time to play without your star QB.^^^^THIS^^^^^The plan was Manning or bust. We'll see how that works out this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GO BLUE Posted September 14, 2011 Share Posted September 14, 2011 we need to start working on an o-line that will keep the d off from whoever is the QB. No one will succeed if they are constantly being hammered because the line wont keep them safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
true colt fan Posted September 14, 2011 Share Posted September 14, 2011 correct me if im wrong but i beleive the colts hold the record for the most consecutive seasons with 11 games or more won with 2 superbowl appearences and one win where is the decline? no team can afford to keep every good player hence the salary cap they keep what they can for a core of players and replace the ones they cant with just as good of players. tha is why so many ex colt players end up on other teams and are almost always starters on those teams those teams have a little more money to spend. I think Peyton is the best qb to ever play the game and should be paid that way but when you pay a guy a hundred million dollars in 2 different contracts it doesnt leave much money to keep other players think about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wercolts Posted September 14, 2011 Share Posted September 14, 2011 Run those numbers for every team in the league and get back to us. Looking only at one team means nothing!Exactly right. For me the real key is having the same 5 guys lining up in front of the QB and RB's every week for many many many many many weeks. Teams that pass as much as the Colts are most successful when they have the same offensive line for an entire season or more. Nobody knows their names early but they become pro bowlers after a season or 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
true colt fan Posted September 14, 2011 Share Posted September 14, 2011 Im sure if any of us in here new more about drafting signing players and keeping them and running a football team we would be there instead of Polian. thats why we work our jobs and he does his and might i say he is excellent at his job year in year out it shows all through his career Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basketballsteve Posted September 14, 2011 Share Posted September 14, 2011 To me 25/56 is a meaningless number unless you give me comparison numbers of other teams that drafted EVERY year during that time span at the bottom of the draft order, then we have something to measure that number against. Maybe it's a good stat to measure success or maybe not but make the case first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Waylon Posted September 14, 2011 Share Posted September 14, 2011 It's because there's lead paint in our Gatorade... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steagles Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 The Colts seem to (....) off good players we draft, and then the ones that love the organization are busts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doogansquest Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 I think the most telling things about this is how much it hurts when you start missing on first round picks. Since 2007 the FO has basically whiffed on all of our picks for various reasons. When you are not hitting on your first round picks you are missing out some impact players. 2007: Anthony Gonzalez2008: Tony Ugoh (I am counting Ugoh as our first since we gave one up for him.)2009: Donald Brown2010: Jerry HughesPeople will say the jury is still out on Hughes, but when you have the GM coming out and saying it was a mistake to take him instead of Saffold you know the guy is not going to amount to much.If Hughes does not turn it around that is 5 straight years of busts. You cannot sustain depth and keep the team well rounded around Manning missing on top picks like that.What has helped is Polian is great at finding those hidden gems like Bethea, Garcon, and Conner.He didn't say Hughes was a mistake. He said, in hindsight and relative to our apparent needs, we should have considered Saffold.You guys are twisting it around to confirm a non-existent point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 It's pretty good considering other teams draft picks... cough cough Eagles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason_ Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 correct me if im wrong but i beleive the colts hold the record for the most consecutive seasons with 11 games or more won with 2 superbowl appearences and one win where is the decline? no team can afford to keep every good player hence the salary cap they keep what they can for a core of players and replace the ones they cant with just as good of players. tha is why so many ex colt players end up on other teams and are almost always starters on those teams those teams have a little more money to spend. I think Peyton is the best qb to ever play the game and should be paid that way but when you pay a guy a hundred million dollars in 2 different contracts it doesnt leave much money to keep other players think about itWait...wait wait wait...just...wait. Hold up. So many colts players go to other teams and almost always become starters? Any of these names ring a bell? Gilbert Gardner, LB...played 3 years with us as in a significant backup role and started the majority of his final year. After he left he spent 1 year with Tennessee playing in 13 games as a backup but didn't even match his first year's stats as a Colt. He then left and spent 1 year with Detroit playing in 2 games and recording zero stats. No tackles, no passes defensed, no assists...nothing. Then he spent 1 year with Chicago playing in 1 game and again amassed zero stats. Now out of the league at only 29 years of age.Cato June, LB...played 4 years with us, starting in the majority of the last 3. He left here and did play 2 years starting 14 games each year but his stats only reached about 65% of what he was able to amass here in Indy. He then played 1 year with Chicago playing a non-existent role in just one game. Now out of the league at only 31 years of age.Freddy Keiaho, LB...played 4 years with us, significant backup role his first year, starting in his second and third years and then back to a backup role in his 4th year. After we released him no other team ever signed him. He's now out of the league at 28 years of age.Larry Tripplett, DT...played 4 years here, first 2 as a starter and the next 2 mostly in a backup role. He then spent 2 years in Buffalo as a starter that was it. So his career ended when he was still approximately 29 years old.Tom Santi, TE...played 2 years with us in 08 and 09 in a total of 9 games. Didn't play in the league last year.Mike Hart, RB...left the league due to lack of interest after we released him.Michael Coe, CB....1 year with us, 2 years with Jax and going on second year with NYG. Has never made a start and played in a total of 17 games.Jason David, CB...3 years with us, then 2 years in NO starting in 14 games and 6 games respectively. Didn't play in '09 or '10.Mike Doss, Safety...4 years with us, 1 with Minn and 1 with Cincinnati. Between Minnesota and Cincy he played in all of 11 games and made 1 start. Hasn't been in the league since '08 and he's just now 30.Now yes there are some players that left here and had significant roles elsewhere such as Edgerrin James, Mike Petersen, David Thornton, and I'm sure there are a couple more but "tha is why so many ex colt players end up on other teams and are almost always starters on those teams those teams have a little more money to spend." was definitely being way overly generous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portage Coltfans Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 funny, I remember this being a topic of discussion right after polian selected the now famous Donald Brown. I actually got suspened from the forum from discussing how bad Polians draft picks have been, and that was back in 09. Polian lovers say he drafts good players late, and yes he does. But you can't win Superbowls without 1st round draft picks playing like 1st rounders. Almost, Every team drafts good players late in the draft. those drafts from 07, 08, 09.......wow that is brutal. I'm hopeing Jerry Hughes doesn't overcome donald brown as the worst first round bust in colts history. I know they drafted hughes hoping they could just let Mathis go and not pay him, but wouldn't it be nice to have had a player in any other position last year? Lb, DB, OL I still don't get why they drafted Hughes, and I'll never understand BRown.Our team is extactly what it should be, a bunch of bust 1st rounders(2005 and up) mixed in with some decent late round draft picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwilli69 Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 the most alarming things is that not one player from the 2004 or 5 draft is on the team and only 2 from the 2006 and 1 from the 2007 draft them draft classes our suppose to be the veterans comtributing now but really 3 players from the 2004 - 2007 two first round pick and a 6thgonzo 07 addai 06bethea 06Run those numbers for every team in the league and get back to us. Looking only at one team means nothing!Now I think one thing that is telling about the poor drafts are the amount of players on the team but then look at the amount of players that have not went on to other teams and become contributors or starters. The drafting has been system oriented and busting. Polian is an arrogant butt and he is not hitting well. I think we can live with arrogant if he is hitting well but he has not. He is a part of the problem and needs to go along with his garbage coach! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason_ Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 Now I think one thing that is telling about the poor drafts are the amount of players on the team but then look at the amount of players that have not went on to other teams and become contributors or starters. The drafting has been system oriented and busting. Polian is an arrogant butt and he is not hitting well. I think we can live with arrogant if he is hitting well but he has not. He is a part of the problem and needs to go along with his garbage coach!Eh, I agree and disagree. I agree that the number of players that went on to do nothing after we released them is a bit frightening. In fact as I was going through doing player searches I came across even more names than I expected which really made me go back and re-think and wonder how bad some of the drafts really were.However I disagree that it was Polian's fault. He was going after players that Dungy wanted. He knew what kind of players Dungy wanted and those are the types of players he went out and obtained. In that regard I would say he did his job well. Notice that, immediately after Dungy left, we started going after bigger, stronger guys and this was while Polian was still at GM. That indicates to me that Polian goes out and tries to find the best possible players to fit what the coach wants. I'd also have a hard time believing that Dungy and now Caldwell have no input on who gets drafted. In fact I think one could argue that it's actually the coach who picks the player and the GM's responsibility is to make the contract work. I honestly don't know how the relationship between coach and GM works in regards to finding and bringing in players. If anyone has further insight on this I'd be very interested to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fx Stryker Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 Joe was our last 1st round pick that has been good. Its a shame our first rounders have been busts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLD FAN MAN Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 Wait...wait wait wait...just...wait. Hold up. So many colts players go to other teams and almost always become starters? Any of these names ring a bell? Gilbert Gardner, LB...played 3 years with us as in a significant backup role and started the majority of his final year. After he left he spent 1 year with Tennessee playing in 13 games as a backup but didn't even match his first year's stats as a Colt. He then left and spent 1 year with Detroit playing in 2 games and recording zero stats. No tackles, no passes defensed, no assists...nothing. Then he spent 1 year with Chicago playing in 1 game and again amassed zero stats. Now out of the league at only 29 years of age.Cato June, LB...played 4 years with us, starting in the majority of the last 3. He left here and did play 2 years starting 14 games each year but his stats only reached about 65% of what he was able to amass here in Indy. He then played 1 year with Chicago playing a non-existent role in just one game. Now out of the league at only 31 years of age.Freddy Keiaho, LB...played 4 years with us, significant backup role his first year, starting in his second and third years and then back to a backup role in his 4th year. After we released him no other team ever signed him. He's now out of the league at 28 years of age.Larry Tripplett, DT...played 4 years here, first 2 as a starter and the next 2 mostly in a backup role. He then spent 2 years in Buffalo as a starter that was it. So his career ended when he was still approximately 29 years old.Tom Santi, TE...played 2 years with us in 08 and 09 in a total of 9 games. Didn't play in the league last year.Mike Hart, RB...left the league due to lack of interest after we released him.Michael Coe, CB....1 year with us, 2 years with Jax and going on second year with NYG. Has never made a start and played in a total of 17 games.Jason David, CB...3 years with us, then 2 years in NO starting in 14 games and 6 games respectively. Didn't play in '09 or '10.Mike Doss, Safety...4 years with us, 1 with Minn and 1 with Cincinnati. Between Minnesota and Cincy he played in all of 11 games and made 1 start. Hasn't been in the league since '08 and he's just now 30.Now yes there are some players that left here and had significant roles elsewhere such as Edgerrin James, Mike Petersen, David Thornton, and I'm sure there are a couple more but "tha is why so many ex colt players end up on other teams and are almost always starters on those teams those teams have a little more money to spend." was definitely being way overly generous. why would anyone want any of tonys tinys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason_ Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 why would anyone want any of tonys tinys?Agreed...which is why I've never been much of a fan of Dungy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLD FAN MAN Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 Agreed...which is why I've never been much of a fan of Dungy.the front office will get us some big players like other teams have like 250 lb lbs. they are tired of tonys tinys getting hurt too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason_ Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 the front office will get us some big players like other teams have like 250 lb lbs. they are tired of tonys tinys getting hurt too.yep yep...we're already getting there. Sims, Angerer, and Moten I believe are each around 235 while Wheeler and Conner are at or just slightly over 240. Nate Tripplett, who we just brought back is between 245 - 250. I definitely like the direction they're moving in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bdg57 Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 The colts have road on the coat tails of manning for so long. The truth is we havent been a good draft day in soo long. We need new front office . They have proven there arragance no bigger example than this yearAgreed 100 percent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLD FAN MAN Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 Agreed 100 percentthe front office thinks some of their top picks didnt work out, but this can be fixed and they are going to address this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoColts8818 Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 Joe was our last 1st round pick that has been good. Its a shame our first rounders have been busts.Gonzo was good enough that the Colts felt comfortable relasing Marvin Harrison. He then developed an injury problem he had no history of having that no one could have seen coming. Gonzo might go down as a bust but it's for a very different reason than Ugoh or Brown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoColts8818 Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 The Colts seem to (....) off good players we draft, and then the ones that love the organization are busts.Really how many players do you know that have said they didn't like playing here?Also so guys we've drafted like Wayne, Clark, Manning, Addai, Bethea, Collie, Garcon, Angerer, Freeney, Mathis, McAfee, Powers, and others are all bust hunh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
presto123 Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 Polian is so over-rated. The main example is compare our team without Peyton with the way the Pats looked without Brady. We are a team slowly declining by FO mismanagement and the Pats have set themselves up well for the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoColts8818 Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 Polian is so over-rated. The main example is compare our team without Peyton with the way the Pats looked without Brady. We are a team slowly declining by FO mismanagement and the Pats have set themselves up well for the future.How many games did Peyton help Polian win in Carolina and Buffalo? Name me another GM who has taken three teams to conference title games and has built teams that have gone to six Super Bowls? Then name another GM that did it with two teams that were known for losing (the Bills and Colts) before he got there and did it with an expansion team in only it's second year for the other stop?It's amazing how many people just like to over look all the success Polian has had in his career and try to credit it all to Peyton Manning.Also everyone wants to be the Pats despite the fact the Colts have won more games in the past 10 years than them and in fact have won more games in NFL history than any other team over that time. It's the Colts, not the Pats that have tied the NFL record most straight trips to playoffs. The Pats have not won a playoff game since they lost the Super Bowl and since their last Super Bowl win they are 5-5 in the playoffs while the Colts are 6-5 over that same run and have been to two Super Bowls to their one and have won one of them and beat the Pats in their only playoff meeting over that time and are a 5-2 vs. the Pats over that span. Remind me again why we are dieng to be the Pats? Just looking at numbers it's the Colts not the Pats that have been the better team from 2005 on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
braveheartcolt Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 How many games did Peyton help Polian win in Carolina and Buffalo? Name me another GM who has taken three teams to conference title games and has built teams that have gone to six Super Bowls? Then name another GM that did it with two teams that were known for losing (the Bills and Colts) before he got there and did it with an expansion team in only it's second year for the other stop?It's amazing how many people just like to over look all the success Polian has had in his career and try to credit it all to Peyton Manning.Also everyone wants to be the Pats despite the fact the Colts have won more games in the past 10 years than them and in fact have won more games in NFL history than any other team over that time. It's the Colts, not the Pats that have tied the NFL record most straight trips to playoffs. The Pats have not won a playoff game since they lost the Super Bowl and since their last Super Bowl win they are 5-5 in the playoffs while the Colts are 6-5 over that same run and have been to two Super Bowls to their one and have won one of them and beat the Pats in their only playoff meeting over that time and are a 5-2 vs. the Pats over that span. Remind me again why we are dieng to be the Pats? Just looking at numbers it's the Colts not the Pats that have been the better team from 2005 on.Why bother comparing ourselves to others, it's pointless. With Manning, we have came up short where it counts. It's hardly a disaster winning all those 'lead up' games, in fact it's been fun. But it really should have been a Dynasty. Who's to blame? Who knows. Probably the Draft and Salary Cap. It's there to stop Dynasties. Our Front Office Management can also take some of the blame. Putrid drafting, poor management decisions on contracts and resting starters, and their stubborn refusal to really attack our biggest weakness, our Defense. Don't forget luck either. It's a funny old game. I'm not a Polian lover as you know, but it's not all on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLD FAN MAN Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 Why bother comparing ourselves to others, it's pointless. With Manning, we have came up short where it counts. It's hardly a disaster winning all those 'lead up' games, in fact it's been fun. But it really should have been a Dynasty. Who's to blame? Who knows. Probably the Draft and Salary Cap. It's there to stop Dynasties. Our Front Office Management can also take some of the blame. Putrid drafting, poor management decisions on contracts and resting starters, and their stubborn refusal to really attack our biggest weakness, our Defense. Don't forget luck either. It's a funny old game. I'm not a Polian lover as you know, but it's not all on him.we compare our team to others because we compete against them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steagles Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 Really how many players do you know that have said they didn't like playing here?Also so guys we've drafted like Wayne, Clark, Manning, Addai, Bethea, Collie, Garcon, Angerer, Freeney, Mathis, McAfee, Powers, and others are all bust hunh?I meant that in the guys that leave Indy hate us. Session, Chick (wasn't drafted, but just left)and a few others. Session specifically said that he never liked Indy and was in a place he likes in Jacksonville. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
braveheartcolt Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 we compare our team to others because we compete against themI didn't ask why we did it, just that it was pointless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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