The Mock to rule them all

[Jact.stark]

1. Hasson Reddick  LB    Temple        15
2. Quincy Wilson     CB    Florida        46  / Sidney Jones
3. Joe Mixon           RB    Oklahoma   80  If not here jump from 4 to 3
4. Kendell Beckwith LB    LSU            121
5. Jaleel Jonhson    DT    Iowa           137
6. Jake Butt             TE    Michigan    144
7. Joe Williams        RB    Utah          158

[buccolts]

Agreed

[D-lineman]

Cool with me

[Jact.stark]

3 minutes ago, buccolts said:

Agreed

Sorry i clicked submit before finishing.

 

[ColtsBlitz]

2 CBs, then I'm good

[Jason_]

So many people want Butt.  I'm guessing Butt must be a good tight end.  

 

[Colts_Fan12]

45 minutes ago, J@son said:

So many people want Butt.  I'm guessing Butt must be a good tight end.  

 

So wrong

[AZColt11]

Not bad.  I could get with that.  The only thing I would say is if you get Mixon you probably don't need a 2nd RB in the 5th. 

[backshoulderfade]

No true edge rusher. We need one.

[Case]

27 minutes ago, backshoulderfade said:

No true edge rusher. We need one.

reddick can be that guy 

[backshoulderfade]

11 minutes ago, MightyLucks said:

reddick can be that guy 

Doesn't have the size or length to be an every down edge player. Looks to be a good will or mike linebacker at the next level.

[Case]

2 hours ago, backshoulderfade said:

Doesn't have the size or length to be an every down edge player. Looks to be a good will or mike linebacker at the next level.

That's your opinion. I'm big on reddick. I love his tape. I think he would help us tremendously 

[Str8himalaya]

2 hours ago, backshoulderfade said:

Doesn't have the size or length to be an every down edge player. Looks to be a good will or mike linebacker at the next level.

 

The good thing is, he doesn't have to be an every down edge player for us. He could prowl the middle on 1st and 2nd down and then line up outside on 3rd. I agree, he might get swallowed up on the outside against the run (even that I would debate is fixable as hes the same size as mathis was coming into the pros), but we need pass rush when it counts, and thats usually 3rd down to get our defense off the field. 

[krunk]

I can't see how there's no pass rushers in this.

[ColtsBlueFL]

20 minutes ago, Str8himalaya said:

 

The good thing is, he doesn't have to be an every down edge player for us. He could prowl the middle on 1st and 2nd down and then line up outside on 3rd. I agree, he might get swallowed up on the outside against the run (even that I would debate is fixable as hes the same size as mathis was coming into the pros), but we need pass rush when it counts, and thats usually 3rd down to get our defense off the field. 

 

Good point.  Especially on 3rd down.  What if a team (say, the Titans) line up in 11 personnel {Three wide with TE on the line, single set back}, then, with a large NFL tackle on Reddick, run Murray or Henry right at him?    If that is successful often enough, then safeties will begin to cheat up in the box and thus give Mariota a chance to burn them over the top in a P.A. pass.

 

I'd really like to see one true hybrid OLB/DE pass rush specialist somewhere in the draft, preferably early because corners can be had later in the draft and OLB/DE not so much.

[Defjamz26]

No one is going to ask where the 6th and 7th round picks came from?

[Str8himalaya]

9 minutes ago, ColtsBlueFL said:

 

Good point.  Especially on 3rd down.  What if a team (say, the Titans) line up in 11 personnel {Three wide with TE on the line, single set back}, then, with a large NFL tackle on Reddick, run Murray or Henry right at him?    If that is successful often enough, then safeties will begin to cheat up in the box and thus give Mariota a chance to burn them over the top in a P.A. pass.

 

I'd really like to see one true hybrid OLB/DE pass rush specialist somewhere in the draft, preferably early because corners can be had later in the draft and OLB/DE not so much.

 

That would be a concern obviously, but I'm not completely convinced that Reddick will get killed EVERY single time. If they want to take their chances at running at 3rd and 8 right at him, then let them do it, I feel like we would have a good chance at stopping that run short. I would agree with a true OLB talent, but we have all said, we can't fix everything in one offseason. Reddick is an athlete that can play everywhere and I do feel he would have a bigger impact than a guy like Charles Harris or Tak McKinnley. Reddick could end up being a Von Miller type with a floor as a solid ILB. It's hard to say, but I would take my chances on a guy that loves the game and has that athleticism. 

[OffensivelyPC]

25 minutes ago, Defjamz26 said:

No one is going to ask where the 6th and 7th round picks came from?

He has the pick number next to the name.  Not easy to read, but he did it right.

[OffensivelyPC]

No pass rush = no ruling of anything.

[backshoulderfade]

55 minutes ago, Str8himalaya said:

 

The good thing is, he doesn't have to be an every down edge player for us. He could prowl the middle on 1st and 2nd down and then line up outside on 3rd. I agree, he might get swallowed up on the outside against the run (even that I would debate is fixable as hes the same size as mathis was coming into the pros), but we need pass rush when it counts, and thats usually 3rd down to get our defense off the field. 

Even as 3rd down only, he still doesnt have the right dimensions. He looks to be a great ILB though. By all means, take him at 15 but pick up a rusher later in the draft.

[Jact.stark]

5 hours ago, backshoulderfade said:

No true edge rusher. We need one.

True but one guy isn't always the solution for a team, i can't see Tim Williams dropping to our second even with the character issues also we don't truly have a ILB D. Jackson was our "best" linebacker last year and he was pretty bad, we have Sheard he put a lot of pressure last season also we need to get to the QB and it's not always the edge guy how gets to the QB, i can see a lot of plays were we disguise Gathers as if he were covering the TE and send a delay blitz with Reddick covering the TE, we could also align Reddick as OLB on passing situations  with :

Sheard  Anderson  Hankins  Lagnford Reddick

[ColtsBlueFL]

1 minute ago, Jact.stark said:

True but one guy isn't always the solution for a team, i can't see Tim Williams dropping to our second even with the character issues also we don't truly have a ILB D. Jackson was our "best" linebacker last year and he was pretty bad, we have Sheard he put a lot of pressure last season also we need to get to the QB and it's not always the edge guy how gets to the QB, i can see a lot of plays were we disguise Gathers as if he were covering the TE and send a delay blitz with Reddick covering the TE, we could also align Reddick as OLB on passing situations  with :

Sheard  Anderson  Hankins  Lagnford Reddick

 

Valid points.  But in a passing league, stunts and blitzes only get you so far.  in fact, veteran  QB's often feast off blitz packages once recognized (they know the immediate weakness and exploit it).  I feel 2 true pass rushers will be necessary if this team is to be a consistent playoff contender like we once were (Freeney and Mathis days).

 

What do you do if someone takes Reddick off the board in front of you?

[backshoulderfade]

4 minutes ago, Jact.stark said:

True but one guy isn't always the solution for a team, i can't see Tim Williams dropping to our second even with the character issues also we don't truly have a ILB D. Jackson was our "best" linebacker last year and he was pretty bad, we have Sheard he put a lot of pressure last season also we need to get to the QB and it's not always the edge guy how gets to the QB, i can see a lot of plays were we disguise Gathers as if he were covering the TE and send a delay blitz with Reddick covering the TE, we could also align Reddick as OLB on passing situations  with :

Sheard  Anderson  Hankins  Lagnford Reddick

Plenty of good guys later. I like Tarrell Basham...great length, great bulk, adequate athleticism.

[ColtsBlueFL]

38 minutes ago, Str8himalaya said:

 

That would be a concern obviously, but I'm not completely convinced that Reddick will get killed EVERY single time. If they want to take their chances at running at 3rd and 8 right at him, then let them do it, I feel like we would have a good chance at stopping that run short.

 

I do too, except, we were horrible against the run giving up (IIRC) 4,6 yds per carry between the tackles.  28th in the league. The amount of times we had a team 3rd and eight vs. 3rd and 3 or less is likely quite notable.  I don't feel Reddick can shed an NFL caliber, 310-325 lb tackle one on one well enough to stuff a run in a Nickel sub package.

 

38 minutes ago, Str8himalaya said:

 

I would agree with a true OLB talent, but we have all said, we can't fix everything in one offseason. Reddick is an athlete that can play everywhere and I do feel he would have a bigger impact than a guy like Charles Harris or Tak McKinnley. Reddick could end up being a Von Miller type with a floor as a solid ILB. It's hard to say, but I would take my chances on a guy that loves the game and has that athleticism. 

 

True, our short field coverage in the middle has also been a sore spot  ( an opposing passer rating of 117 to the short middle of the field, 28th in the league ), but I feel better safety play (and better safety players) could help there.  Mathis and Walden are gone.  Colts need consistent QB pressure and sacks.  Two good pass rushers will be necessary at some point,  but get at least one early this year is my goal.  Cornerback is deep, get one of them too.  And I am of the mind that RB's can be had late, as teams migrate away from bell cow player to running back by committee

[Jact.stark]

5 minutes ago, ColtsBlueFL said:

 

Valid points.  But in a passing league, stunts and blitzes only get you so far.  in fact, veteran  QB's often feast off blitz packages once recognized (they know the immediate weakness and exploit it).  I feel 2 true pass rushers will be necessary if this team is to be a consistent playoff contender like we once were (Freeney and Mathis days).

 

What do you do if someone takes Reddick off the board in front of you?

Takkarist McKinley UCLA or T.J Watt, if both are off the board then trade down.

 

We are not 1 player nor draft to be contenders again.

 

[Jact.stark]

5 minutes ago, ColtsBlueFL said:

 

True, our short field coverage in the middle has also been a sore spot  ( an opposing passer rating of 117 to the short middle of the field, 28th in the league ), but I feel better safety play (and better safety players) could help there.  Mathis and Walden are gone.  Colts need consistent QB pressure and sacks.  Two good pass rushers will be necessary at some point,  but get at least one early this year is my goal.  Cornerback is deep, get one of them too.  And I am of the mind that RB's can be had late, as teams migrate away from bell cow player to running back by committee

We lost our cover LB with Freeman last year and we suffered it, i think Sheard can pressure the QB consistently and after the 2nd round there isn't a better talent to get to the QB than Sheard, i would take T. Williams if he drops to the second but in the league pass rushers are too valuable , he is gonna be gone by the time we get to pick in the second round. 

 

[FalseStart]

23 hours ago, J@son said:

So many people want Butt.  I'm guessing Butt must be a good tight end.  

 

Butt of course...back end of the 4th round...none better at crack back blocks left on the board

[rock8591]

12 hours ago, Defjamz26 said:

No one is going to ask where the 6th and 7th round picks came from?

 

6th and 7th picks (our 4th and 5th rounder), not 6th and 7th round.