Emmanuel Sanders is so much better than Eric Decker

[chad72]

Your last paragraph is great analysis. Goes to show that even a great secondary will not look great if the Dline is not pressuring the QB. It all starts up front.

 

After looking at the Redskins game closely because I owned the Seahawks' D in FF, I started noticing that. It all came a full circle with their DL ability today with a home loss vs the Cowboys.

[chad72]

The most ridiculous thing I've heard in awhile. Peyton wouldn't change a gameplan over a joke. He and welker prank each other all the time

 

This is not a prank he was talking about. He had a straight face when he said that. I am looking at Welker's numbers today and it makes me wonder...

[jvan1973]

This is not a prank he was talking about. He had a straight face when he said that. I am looking at Welker's numbers today and it makes me wonder...

It shouldn't

[amfootball]

This is not a prank he was talking about. He had a straight face when he said that. I am looking at Welker's numbers today and it makes me wonder...

Welker said he wanted to be more himself in Denver. Well, you don't say something like that about Manning. Honestly, does Manning even need him this year with the two Thomas' doing their thing?

[Shane Bond]

The Thomas' outperformed him by a lot today. They again scored all the TDs. Even Decker had a TD today his third of the season.

One game today and Peyton didn't throw much to him. The ones he threw were bad ones. Also this thread is Decker and Sanders. Why are we keep dragging Thomas?.

[Shane Bond]

lol. Demarius was a monster today.

And your point?. You continually are getting lost. Read the thread topic and the context of the discussion.

[AntonMcG]

Actually, I'm not a Broncos fan at all. Again, nice presumption.

 

 

More of an assumption.

[amfootball]

One game today and Peyton didn't throw much to him. The ones he threw were bad ones. Also this thread is Decker and Sanders. Why are we keep dragging Thomas?.

Because you were the one saying that Sanders and Tamme were the ones performing the best on the team which is laughable and yesterday proved that in spades.

[Shane Bond]

Because you were the one saying that Sanders and Tamme were the ones performing the best on the team which is laughable and yesterday proved that in spades.

Read clearly what i wrote.

 

I said if i need a big 3rd down, i will trust them better than anyone and its been proven. Again, i answered that because the topic was taken to it.

[amfootball]

Topic is with Decker and Sanders.

 

Now that you have brought up others, lets talk.

 

DT is error prone. He can be anybody he wants to be. JT is capable of bad route running.

 

Watch the Seattle game.

 

Read clearly what i wrote.

 

I said if i need a big 3rd down, i will trust them better than anyone and its been proven. Again, i answered that because the topic was taken to it.

[Shane Bond]

 

Yeah, what is your point?.

[amfootball]

Yeah, what is your point?.

Did you read your own post? You said, "DT is error prone. He can be anybody he wants to be. JT is capable of bad route running."

Sure didn't look that way yesterday ...

[Shane Bond]

Did you read your own post? You said, "DT is error prone. He can be anybody he wants to be. JT is capable of bad route running."

Sure didn't look that way yesterday ...

Omg you are not really this bad, you know that.

Error prone means he is not error free everyday. I will say it again. If there is a clutch 3rd down, I will trust sanders and Tamme more than anyone.

[amfootball]

Omg you are not really this bad, you know that.

Error prone means he can be not everyday. I will say it again. If there is a clutch 3rd down, I will trust sanders and Tamme more than anyone.

You would be the only one.

[Shane Bond]

You would be the only one.

you will be surprised

[Shane Bond]

You would be the only one.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000415377/article/ty-hilton-dez-bryant-among-hot-receivers-who-will-stay-hot

 

Total receiving yards: 514 (No. 10, up from No. 50 in 2013)

In just six games, Sanders has more than half as many catches and yards as he had with the Steelers all last season. He also has yet to drop a pass after being targeted 51 times this season. Eyeing those numbers, I couldn't help but wonder what kind of production he'd be putting up as a member of the Chiefs, with whom he had contract talks last offseason, given that he'd easily be the No. 1 receiving option in Kansas City.

Nevertheless, Sanders is thriving in Denver. He has outstanding quickness and excels at adjusting to the ball. I figure that, even with Demaryius Thomas, Julius Thomas, Wes Welker and Andre Caldwellcompeting for passes, Sanders stands to possibly improve on his pace as Peyton Manning gains confidence in him.

[amfootball]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000415377/article/ty-hilton-dez-bryant-among-hot-receivers-who-will-stay-hot

 

Total receiving yards: 514 (No. 10, up from No. 50 in 2013)

In just six games, Sanders has more than half as many catches and yards as he had with the Steelers all last season. He also has yet to drop a pass after being targeted 51 times this season. Eyeing those numbers, I couldn't help but wonder what kind of production he'd be putting up as a member of the Chiefs, with whom he had contract talks last offseason, given that he'd easily be the No. 1 receiving option in Kansas City.

Nevertheless, Sanders is thriving in Denver. He has outstanding quickness and excels at adjusting to the ball. I figure that, even with Demaryius Thomas, Julius Thomas, Wes Welker and Andre Caldwellcompeting for passes, Sanders stands to possibly improve on his pace as Peyton Manning gains confidence in him.

 

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000415377/article/ty-hilton-dez-bryant-among-hot-receivers-who-will-stay-hot

 

Total receiving yards: 514 (No. 10, up from No. 50 in 2013)

In just six games, Sanders has more than half as many catches and yards as he had with the Steelers all last season. He also has yet to drop a pass after being targeted 51 times this season. Eyeing those numbers, I couldn't help but wonder what kind of production he'd be putting up as a member of the Chiefs, with whom he had contract talks last offseason, given that he'd easily be the No. 1 receiving option in Kansas City.

Nevertheless, Sanders is thriving in Denver. He has outstanding quickness and excels at adjusting to the ball. I figure that, even with Demaryius Thomas, Julius Thomas, Wes Welker and Andre Caldwellcompeting for passes, Sanders stands to possibly improve on his pace as Peyton Manning gains confidence in him.

Comparison is with Decker, right? My, how soon we forget.

 

From PFF:

Decker’s drop rate was better than Garcon, Thomas, Josh Gordon, A.J. Green, Dez Bryant and Calvin Johnson in 2013. Per PFF, Decker also stretched the field quite well in 2013. Even though Manning’s arm strength improved from 2012 to 2013, his arm still wasn’t the best. Deep passes by their nature require the receiver to either beat the cornerback off the line, at the top of the route or to go up and get the ball in the air. Decker had 15 receptions of 20 yards or more for 509 yards and five touchdowns. D. Thomas—considered a No. 1 receiver—had 12 receptions for 491 yards and four touchdowns in those situations. Josh Gordon—considered one the best deep threats in the league—had 15 receptions for 511 yards and six touchdowns.

 

Decker's production in Denver: 255 targets, 152 receptions, 2,352 yards, 24 TDs, 13.67 yards per rec., Target/Td% - 10.63

[Shane Bond]

Comparison is with Decker, right? My, how soon we forget.

From PFF:

Decker’s drop rate was better than Garcon, Thomas, Josh Gordon, A.J. Green, Dez Bryant and Calvin Johnson in 2013. Per PFF, Decker also stretched the field quite well in 2013. Even though Manning’s arm strength improved from 2012 to 2013, his arm still wasn’t the best. Deep passes by their nature require the receiver to either beat the cornerback off the line, at the top of the route or to go up and get the ball in the air. Decker had 15 receptions of 20 yards or more for 509 yards and five touchdowns. D. Thomas—considered a No. 1 receiver—had 12 receptions for 491 yards and four touchdowns in those situations. Josh Gordon—considered one the best deep threats in the league—had 15 receptions for 511 yards and six touchdowns.

Decker's production in Denver: 255 targets, 152 receptions, 2,352 yards, 24 TDs, 13.67 yards per rec., Target/Td% - 10.63

Yes, compare the completion percentage and drops.

[amfootball]

Yes, compare the completion percentage and drops.

Drops is not the only comparable stat in terms of the effectiveness of a receiver. I mean do you really believe Sanders has been a better player for the Broncos than Decker was? I admit he is having a nice season but he will come nowhere close to Decker's TDs or yards per reception. Possession receivers are nice but they don't help you win championships as much as a threat on the outside. Decker was Denver's legit #2 receiver and in many ways outperformed D. Thomas who was thought to be the #1. Right now Sanders is still behind the Thomas'.

[SteelCityColt]

By the 6th page, I've really got to ask myself... why?

 

It's not like we're debating who is the best receiver in the NFL?!

[Shane Bond]

By the 6th page, I've really got to ask myself... why?

It's not like we're debating who is the best receiver in the NFL?!

Believe it or not, people do discuss, debate , argue in a forum.

Almost similar to wicket keeping when you are in a cricket field

[Shane Bond]

Drops is not the only comparable stat in terms of the effectiveness of a receiver. I mean do you really believe Sanders has been a better player for the Broncos than Decker was? I admit he is having a nice season but he will come nowhere close to Decker's TDs or yards per reception. Possession receivers are nice but they don't help you win championships as much as a threat on the outside. Decker was Denver's legit #2 receiver and in many ways outperformed D. Thomas who was thought to be the #1. Right now Sanders is still behind the Thomas'.

We have discussed this earlier. Peyton has other receivers for TD. He has 19 TDs in 6 games, on pace for 50 TDs.

Sanders is the moving the chain guy and he has performed better than Decker.

Topic is between them not who is no 1 receiever for Denver today.

[amfootball]

We have discussed this earlier. Peyton has other receivers for TD. He has 19 TDs in 6 games, on pace for 50 TDs.

Sanders is the moving the chain guy and he has performed better than Decker.

Topic is between them not who is no 1 receiever for Denver today.

Again, not about other receivers. When Decker was there, he was a double digit TD player. You don't win games unless you score. I like Sanders a lot but he is just so different in what he brings that I am not sure why we are still having this discussion. Even if you want to say they are equal in terms of production maybe I would go there but then again the season is only half over and Decker produced at a high level for two seasons. Again I put much more value on a player that moves the chains AND scores TDs.

[Shane Bond]

Again, not about other receivers. When Decker was there, he was a double digit TD player. You don't win games unless you score. I like Sanders a lot but he is just so different in what he brings that I am not sure why we are still having this discussion. Even if you want to say they are equal in terms of production maybe I would go there but then again the season is only half over and Decker produced at a high level for two seasons. Again I put much more value on a player that moves the chains AND scores TDs.

I read this on Page 4.

[Shane Bond]

Again, not about other receivers. When Decker was there, he was a double digit TD player. You don't win games unless you score. I like Sanders a lot but he is just so different in what he brings that I am not sure why we are still having this discussion. Even if you want to say they are equal in terms of production maybe I would go there but then again the season is only half over and Decker produced at a high level for two seasons. Again I put much more value on a player that moves the chains AND scores TDs.

Hope you are watching this game tonight. If you think Decker would make the play what Sanders has done so far, you are out of your mind.

[chad72]

Sanders has arrived. Decker caught 4 TDs in a game vs the Chiefs last year, some short and some deep. Sanders is filling that role just fine.

 

Like I said, it was a matter of time before the TDs would come for Sanders and now they have come.

 

If Sanders makes the difference vs elite Ds in the playoffs, that will put the Broncos over the top, IMO, only time will tell. Against teams that play outstanding press coverage like the Colts and even Patriots with Revis and Browner healthy, Sanders can cause a lot of headaches as the No.2 wide out vs Toler and Browner. If the Patriots make the mistake of activating Browner and let him go against Sanders 1-on-1, Peyton will burn Browner, I feel. We will see how it bodes for the playoffs.

[Moose Of Woe]

Sanders is a monster. Whereas Decker spends his time calling for flags Sanders is fighting for the ball and making plays.

 

Not that Decker is a slouch, but Sanders is better and it's really not even close.

 

 

 

On a side note, Caldwell has no business being a receiver on Denver. Almost every time he touches (or doesn't) touch the ball something bad happens. Runs the wrong route, drops, was bailed out by a fumble on a blown call tonight, etc. I can't help but wonder how many times they need this guy to fail until they say enough is enough. They have so much talent between their WRs and TEs he should never see the field.

 

Also when Ball comes back he needs to be buried to #3 on the depth chart. Hillman has done well, Anderson is an unknown. I'd take an unknown over Ball being KNOWN to be bad.

[AndreRison]

Sanders had a very good game. . .Wow. 9 catches for 120 yards and 3 TD's. This just proves Peyton can turn any decent receiver, whose willing to put in a little work, into a mega star!

[Shane Bond]

Sanders is a monster. Whereas Decker spends his time calling for flags Sanders is fighting for the ball and making plays.

 

Not that Decker is a slouch, but Sanders is better and it's really not even close.

 

 

 

On a side note, Caldwell has no business being a receiver on Denver. Almost every time he touches (or doesn't) touch the ball something bad happens. Runs the wrong route, drops, was bailed out by a fumble on a blown call tonight, etc. I can't help but wonder how many times they need this guy to fail until they say enough is enough. They have so much talent between their WRs and TEs he should never see the field.

 

Also when Ball comes back he needs to be buried to #3 on the depth chart. Hillman has done well, Anderson is an unknown. I'd take an unknown over Ball being KNOWN to be bad.

Dont blame Caldwell.

 

Its all Peyton's fault. He didnt take him to Duke.

[jvan1973]

I thought Sanders couldn't catch tds?

[amfootball]

Hope you are watching this game tonight. If you think Decker would make the play what Sanders has done so far, you are out of your mind.

Goodness, you really are a prisoner f the moment. Decker had SIX games where he caught multiple TDs in his career in Denver including a FOUR TD game last year.

 

BTW, your obsession with this is bordering creepy now.

[jvan1973]

Goodness, you really are a prisoner f the moment. Decker had SIX games where he caught multiple TDs in his career in Denver including a FOUR TD game last year.

BTW, your obsession with this is bordering creepy now.

I think you have as many posts in this thread as anyone.

[amfootball]

I think you have as many posts in this thread as anyone.

Yep. I keep getting pulled back in by Bond's ridiculous obsession. Perhaps he has money on Sanders every game or just dreams about him ever night. Don't know. 

[jvan1973]

Yep. I keep getting pulled back in by Bond's ridiculous obsession. Perhaps he has money on Sanders every game or just dreams about him ever night. Don't know.

Sanders is gonna have a big season. He is just getting warmed up

[amfootball]

Sanders is gonna have a big season. He is just getting warmed up

Never denied that. But Decker has already HAD two big seasons for Denver and he did not have the benefit of playing with this improved Denver D either.

[YOUR GM]

Sanders does appear to be better. As was mentioned earlier, he plays tough, doesn't cry for flags and is probably Denver's best route runner already. They said Adam Gase (Denver's OC who used to work on the Mike Martz era Rams staff) compared his route running ability to Isaac Bruce. That's some pretty high praise, if you ask me.

Decker is a solid receiver but I think Sanders brings more to Denver's offense this year than Decker brought last season. Just my opinion, of course

[chad72]

Dont blame Caldwell.

 

Its all Peyton's fault. He didnt take him to Duke.

 

That was last year though. This year, he did take Caldwell to Duke, if I remember right, no???

 

Here is a picture of Caldwell at Duke: http://www.milehighreport.com/2014/4/8/5595446/peyton-mannings-duke-passing-camp-underway-sans-demaryius-thomas

 

In fact, it was DT that showed up later due to personal reasons.

[Shane Bond]

Never denied that. But Decker has already HAD two big seasons for Denver and he did not have the benefit of playing with this improved Denver D either.

Uh oh, the first excuse for Decker is creeping in.

[Shane Bond]

That was last year though. This year, he did take Caldwell to Duke, if I remember right, no???

 

Here is a picture of Caldwell at Duke: http://www.milehighreport.com/2014/4/8/5595446/peyton-mannings-duke-passing-camp-underway-sans-demaryius-thomas

 

In fact, it was DT that showed up later due to personal reasons.

He is indeed there.

 

I was making a tongue in cheek comment anyways. 

[amfootball]

Uh oh, the first excuse for Decker is creeping in.

Yep. I know actual perspective is difficult for you because this Denver team is the exact same one that Decker played on for two seasons. But hey don't let reality get in the way of a good argument.