Would you cut me (Don’t name me)

[csmopar]

Let’s play a game of comparing AR to a random QB. I’m a QB that played in the league between 1980 and 2024. my first 8 games starting of my career, my stats look like this.  Looking only at these stats, and with no name attached,  would you call me a bust and cut me? 

 

Game 1: 21 comp, 37 attempts, 56.6% completion rate. 1 Passing TD 3 INTs 

 

Game 2:  21/37, 63.4 % completion rate. 1 Passing TD 3 INTs 

 

Game 3: 20/44, 45% completion rate, 0 TD, 2 INTs

 

Game 4: 19/32, 59.38 % ,  1 TD and 3 INTs

 

Game 5: 12/23, 52.17%, 1 TD and 1 INT

 

Game 6: 20/41, 48 % completion rate, 2 TDs, 2 INTs

 

Game 7: 18/30, 60 percent completion rate, 3 TDs, 0 INTs

 

Game 8: 30/52, 57% completions, 2 TDs, 2 INTs.

 

I finished my rookie year with a mid 50 percent completion rate and ended with more INTs than TDs. My team barely won any games. Was blown out multiple times by more than 20 points.

 

Dont name the QB, judge solely on the stats.

Would you call me a bust after 8 games and cut me?

 

[jvan1973]

2 minutes ago, csmopar said:

Let’s play a game. I’m a QB that played in the league between 1980 and 2024. my first 8 games starting of my career, my stats look like this.  Looking only at these stats, and with no name attached,  would you call me a bust and cut me? 

 

Game 1: 21 comp, 37 attempts, 56.6% completion rate. 1 Passing TD 3 INTs 

 

Game 2:  21/37, 63.4 % completion rate. 1 Passing TD 3 INTs 

 

Game 3: 20/44, 45% completion rate, 0 TD, 2 INTs

 

Game 4: 19/32, 59.38 % ,  1 TD and 3 INTs

 

Game 5: 12/23, 52.17%, 1 TD and 1 INT

 

Game 6: 20/41, 48 % completion rate, 2 TDs, 2 INTs

 

Game 7: 18/30, 60 percent completion rate, 3 TDs, 0 INTs

 

Game 8: 30/52, 57% completions, 2 TDs, 2 INTs.

 

I finished my rookie year with a mid 50 percent completion rate and ended with more INTs than TDs. My team barely won any games. Was blown out multiple times by more than 20 points.

 

Dont name the QB, judge solely on the stats.

Would you call me a bust after 8 games and cut me?

 

No,   he was drafted number 1 overall .  You don't cut players, any players drafted in the first round after only 8 games

[csmopar]

Just now, jvan1973 said:

No,   he was drafted number 1 overall .  You don't cut players, any players drafted in the first round after only 8 games

That’s not the question:

 

based solely on those stats, irregardless of draft position or name, would you cut me

[jvan1973]

Just now, csmopar said:

That’s not the question:

 

based solely on those stats, irregardless of draft position or name, would you cut me

It certainly depends on where you're drafted and the expectations.    But if a team is starting the season with a rookie, they must believe in his talent.    For comparison,  Scott Tolzien was benched in and eventually cut very quickly.    Draft position matters

[EasyE]

Would you cut me (Don’t name me)

I know what you're talking about and I will not name. 

But should this really be in the Colts section if not naming isn't allowed? Just curious 🤔 

[csmopar]

1 minute ago, EasyE said:

Would you cut me (Don’t name me)

I know what you're talking about and I will not name. 

But should this really be in the Colts section if not naming isn't allowed? Just curious 🤔 

Yes

[coltsfan_canada]

Based on these stats you won't see the field if you are an experienced vet, now if you are rookie and has only played 8 games, with not much experience even in college I would give benefit of doubt for one more season after this season. 

[Dingus McGirt]

Not enough information to make an informed decision.

[csmopar]

5 minutes ago, Dingus McGirt said:

Not enough information to make an informed decision.

Plenty to judge from

[Dingus McGirt]

16 minutes ago, csmopar said:

Plenty to judge from

Only if you had included his draft position in the data.  No team would “cut” a first-round pick after 8 games, IMO.

[GoColts8818]

Nope

[BlackTiger]

The guy you are talking about also set the record for rookie TDs too

[JackWV]

I don't remember said QB throwing the ball six feet over the receiver's head on an 8 yard out. I don't remember receivers 

having to dig balls out of the turf on short hops. Somethings can't be taught. 

[cdgacoltsfan]

1 hour ago, EasyE said:

Would you cut me (Don’t name me)

I know what you're talking about and I will not name. 

But should this really be in the Colts section if not naming isn't allowed? Just curious 🤔 

Why not? It will turn into a fire Ballard thread eventually anyways.

[cdgacoltsfan]

33 minutes ago, JackWV said:

I don't remember said QB throwing the ball six feet over the receiver's head on an 8 yard out. I don't remember receivers 

having to dig balls out of the turf on short hops. Somethings can't be taught. 

And we won! That must infuriate you. 

[jvan1973]

36 minutes ago, JackWV said:

I don't remember said QB throwing the ball six feet over the receiver's head on an 8 yard out. I don't remember receivers 

having to dig balls out of the turf on short hops. Somethings can't be taught. 

Actually everything can be taught.   That's the definition of teaching.   

[cdgacoltsfan]

38 minutes ago, JackWV said:

I don't remember said QB throwing the ball six feet over the receiver's head on an 8 yard out. I don't remember receivers 

having to dig balls out of the turf on short hops. Somethings can't be taught. 

Why do they have coaches then?

[csmopar]

46 minutes ago, JackWV said:

I don't remember said QB throwing the ball six feet over the receiver's head on an 8 yard out. I don't remember receivers 

having to dig balls out of the turf on short hops. Somethings can't be taught. 

He did. A lot

[coming on strong]

no QB should be cut after 8 games ....  Ive been critical of AR but I would still  give him two full seasons .   After the 2025 season if he looks exactly the same as he does now the colts should make plans to search for a replacement .   They still should let AR ride out his full rookie contract and compete but not hand him the starting job after 2025.

[Patrick Miller]

5 minutes ago, coming on strong said:

no QB should be cut after 8 games ....  Ive been critical of AR but I would still  give him two full seasons .   After the 2025 season if he looks exactly the same as he does now the colts should make plans to search for a replacement .   They still should let AR ride out his full rookie contract and compete but not hand him the starting job after 2025.

Two full seasons? That could be a lot of losing. 

[Chucklez]

The levels of impatience from NFL fans these days blows my mind. And what's more, we all knew AR was a project when we took him, and yet the nay-sayers are already impatient and wanting him benched.... get a grip people.

[RollerColt]

Too obvious for comparison. 

 

How about this one's first five games of his career: 

 

Game 1. 16/27 | 59.3% | 167YDS | 0TDS | 0INTS

 

Game 2. 8/17 | 47.1% | 53YDS | 0TDS | 1INT

 

Game 3. 13/32 | 40.6% | 187YDS | 1TD | 3INTS

 

Game 4: 14/25 | 56% | 251YDS | 1TD | 2INTS

 

Game 5: 21/37 | 56.8% | 277YDS | 1TD | 2INTS

 

Total. 72/138 | 52.2% | 935YDS | 3TDs | 8INTS

 

Would you label this QB a bust? 

[coming on strong]

7 minutes ago, Patrick Miller said:

Two full seasons? That could be a lot of losing. 

I mean if we get a top pick and a nfl ready QB is there i would take him but its unlikely we get a top 5 pick this year .

[crazycolt1]

3 hours ago, jvan1973 said:

Actually everything can be taught.   That's the definition of teaching.   

Exactly.  Plus once the game slows down mentality, the passes will be off target.  

[JackWV]

3 hours ago, cdgacoltsfan said:

Why do they have coaches then?

Because somethings can be taught....

[JackWV]

24 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:

Exactly.  Plus once the game slows down mentality, the passes will be off target.  

The passes are already off target...So there goes your theory.

[boo2202]

Fire Ballard 

[crazycolt1]

1 hour ago, JackWV said:

The passes are already off target...So there goes your theory.

Every QB that has entered the NFL has talked about once the game slowed down for them they played much better.  

My comment is not a theory, It's a fact.

[Dewey5]

6 hours ago, csmopar said:

Let’s play a game of comparing AR to a random QB. I’m a QB that played in the league between 1980 and 2024. my first 8 games starting of my career, my stats look like this.  Looking only at these stats, and with no name attached,  would you call me a bust and cut me? 

 

Game 1: 21 comp, 37 attempts, 56.6% completion rate. 1 Passing TD 3 INTs 

 

Game 2:  21/37, 63.4 % completion rate. 1 Passing TD 3 INTs 

 

Game 3: 20/44, 45% completion rate, 0 TD, 2 INTs

 

Game 4: 19/32, 59.38 % ,  1 TD and 3 INTs

 

Game 5: 12/23, 52.17%, 1 TD and 1 INT

 

Game 6: 20/41, 48 % completion rate, 2 TDs, 2 INTs

 

Game 7: 18/30, 60 percent completion rate, 3 TDs, 0 INTs

 

Game 8: 30/52, 57% completions, 2 TDs, 2 INTs.

 

I finished my rookie year with a mid 50 percent completion rate and ended with more INTs than TDs. My team barely won any games. Was blown out multiple times by more than 20 points.

 

Dont name the QB, judge solely on the stats.

Would you call me a bust after 8 games and cut me?

 

No. Qb's need 3 years before you can call them a bust. 

[lollygagger8]

 

Seriously though....who (in their right mind) is talking about cutting AR? 

[csmopar]

1 hour ago, lollygagger8 said:

 

Seriously though....who (in their right mind) is talking about cutting AR? 

Read any post game thread this season. You’ll see tons of posts calling him a bust and to either cut him, trade him or bench him for Flacco

[cdgacoltsfan]

8 hours ago, Dewey5 said:

No. Qb's need 3 years before you can call them a bust. 

Is that the rule? Look at Darnold and Gino Smith and Mayfield.

[Smonroe]

16 minutes ago, csmopar said:

Read any post game thread this season. You’ll see tons of posts calling him a bust and to either cut him, trade him or bench him for Flacco

He did qualify by saying “in their right mind”.   So I agree with @lollygagger8  any talk of cutting AR until he has a full and thorough evaluation is ludicrous and should be dismissed.   Not even worth the discussion.  

[csmopar]

12 hours ago, Patrick Miller said:

Two full seasons? That could be a lot of losing. 

Okay and? 

[NFLfan]

36 minutes ago, cdgacoltsfan said:

Is that the rule? Look at Darnold and Gino Smith and Mayfield.

 

He meant a player should be given three years to play before calling the player a bust. He did not say a player is surely a bust after three years of playing.

 

[JackWV]

8 hours ago, crazycolt1 said:

Every QB that has entered the NFL has talked about once the game slowed down for them they played much better.  

My comment is not a theory, It's a fact.

Here is your comment read it again, "Exactly.  Plus once the game slows down mentality, the passes will be off target." 

 

I've always known an off target pass to be a bad pass... 

[NFLfan]

41 minutes ago, csmopar said:

Read any post game thread this season. You’ll see tons of posts calling him a bust and to either cut him, trade him or bench him for Flacco

 

That is why @Dewey5 said he needs to be given 3 years (at least).

 

If the Colts cut AR, he will be picked up quickly. AR is a better player than Geno Smith, IMO. I used to think Geno had a very strong arm and would eventually be a good QB. When Bridgewater went down in 2016, I wrote that I wanted the Vikes to trade for Geno Smith. I don't know if he was ready to play then, but he has turned out to be a good player. AR will be better.

[RollerColt]

12 hours ago, RollerColt said:

Too obvious for comparison. 

 

How about this one's first five games of his career: 

 

Game 1. 16/27 | 59.3% | 167YDS | 0TDS | 0INTS

 

Game 2. 8/17 | 47.1% | 53YDS | 0TDS | 1INT

 

Game 3. 13/32 | 40.6% | 187YDS | 1TD | 3INTS

 

Game 4: 14/25 | 56% | 251YDS | 1TD | 2INTS

 

Game 5: 21/37 | 56.8% | 277YDS | 1TD | 2INTS

 

Total. 72/138 | 52.2% | 935YDS | 3TDs | 8INTS

 

Would you label this QB a bust? 

So that was his first season. 

 

Here's his second season: 

 

Game 1: 6/15 | 40% | 39YDS | 0TD | 0 INT

 

Game 2: 12/21 | 57.1% | 160YDS | 1TD | 1INT

 

Game 3: 8/20 | 40% | 83YDS | 0TDS | 0INT

 

Game 4: 15/29 | 51.7% | 260YDS | 1TD | 0INT

 

Game 5: 11/15 | 73.3% | 143YDS | 0TD | 0INT

 

Game 6: 11/20 | 55% | 124YDS | 1TD | 1INT

 

Game 7: 14/24 | 58% | 193YDS | 0TDS | 0INT

[NFLfan]

2 minutes ago, RollerColt said:

So that was his first season. 

 

Here's his second season: 

 

Game 1: 6/15 | 40% | 39YDS | 0TD | 0 INT

 

Game 2: 12/21 | 57.1% | 160YDS | 1TD | 1INT

 

Game 3: 8/20 | 40% | 83YDS | 0TDS | 0INT

 

Game 4: 15/29 | 51.7% | 260YDS | 1TD | 0INT

 

Game 5: 11/15 | 73.3% | 143YDS | 0TD | 0INT

 

Game 6: 11/20 | 55% | 124YDS | 1TD | 1INT

 

Game 7: 14/24 | 58% | 193YDS | 0TDS | 0INT

 

Who is that?

[RollerColt]

2 minutes ago, NFLfan said:

 

Who is that?

He was 3-16 as a starter for his first team and then was deemed a bust and traded to be a backup. 

 

He then went on to become a Hall of Fame QB thanks to a legendary coach, and a stable environment. 

 

The man I am referring to is: 

 

Steve Young