L'Jarius Sneed

[coltsfanej]

Chiefs are expected to tag and trade Sneed. Some talking heads have thrown Colts out as a potential fit with our need at CB and his athletic profile. 
 

I think a trading 15 for him would be a bit steep with the contract he will be getting. 
 

If it is something Ballard would consider I would feel better about swapping 15 and 32 and throwing in 82. 
 

thoughts?

 

is this a move any of you guys would like?

[KB]

I wouldn't do it for more than a third rounder, and I'd want a pick to go with it too. We got a fifth for one if the best in the game on the old side. It's a non premium position, and a player who is going to demand a near top of the league sized contract.

[coltsfanej]

1 hour ago, KB said:

I wouldn't do it for more than a third rounder, and I'd want a pick to go with it too. We got a fifth for one if the best in the game on the old side. It's a non premium position, and a player who is going to demand a near top of the league sized contract.

I’d love to get him for a 3rd. Some of the reports I heard expected a late first value in the deal. Maybe it’s just to push the hype. 

[MikeCurtis]

I think that Ballard LOVES the medium cost CBs that excel in THIS zone heavy defense

 

IF

 

maybe a BIG If. …..

 

If we spend big in FA I would get players that make THIS zone heavy defense successful

 

stud Defensive End

Playmaking FS

 

 

[colts52761]

a 3rd and pierce?

[csmopar]

9 hours ago, coltsfanej said:

Chiefs are expected to tag and trade Sneed. Some talking heads have thrown Colts out as a potential fit with our need at CB and his athletic profile. 
 

I think a trading 15 for him would be a bit steep with the contract he will be getting. 
 

If it is something Ballard would consider I would feel better about swapping 15 and 32 and throwing in 82. 
 

thoughts?

 

is this a move any of you guys would like?

Nope no way 

[Scott Pennock]

Ballard has a precedent on the roster in Buckner. 
 

He traded number 13 for Buck and extended him when he could have stayed put and taken the rookie Javon Kinlaw. 
 

If the plan is to draft a CB then trading number 15 for a PROVEN CB makes just as much sense as the Buckner trade. 
 

Sneed just finished his 4th year in the league just like Buck when the trade was made. 
 

I would do it in a heartbeat if that was a one for one swap!

[richard pallo]

19 hours ago, Scott Pennock said:

Ballard has a precedent on the roster in Buckner. 
 

He traded number 13 for Buck and extended him when he could have stayed put and taken the rookie Javon Kinlaw. 
 

If the plan is to draft a CB then trading number 15 for a PROVEN CB makes just as much sense as the Buckner trade. 
 

Sneed just finished his 4th year in the league just like Buck when the trade was made. 
 

I would do it in a heartbeat if that was a one for one swap!

Looks like Brian Burns might be heading to a tag a trade scenario as well.  That might have some appeal for Ballard as well.

[Scott Pennock]

2 hours ago, richard pallo said:

Looks like Brian Burns might be heading to a tag a trade scenario as well.  That might have some appeal for Ballard as well.

I look at it like this - I would trade almost any first round pick for a 3-5 year player who has proven themselves in the NFL as a good to great player like Sneed, Burns and Buckner prior to this year. A pick, even a first rounder is still a lottery ticket……

[Defjamz26]

On 3/3/2024 at 12:29 AM, Scott Pennock said:

Ballard has a precedent on the roster in Buckner. 
 

He traded number 13 for Buck and extended him when he could have stayed put and taken the rookie Javon Kinlaw. 
 

If the plan is to draft a CB then trading number 15 for a PROVEN CB makes just as much sense as the Buckner trade. 
 

Sneed just finished his 4th year in the league just like Buck when the trade was made. 
 

I would do it in a heartbeat if that was a one for one swap!

IDK if Sneed is the same level of player as Buckner was when he was traded, Buckner was the 2nd or 3rd best DT in the game.

[Scott Pennock]

1 hour ago, Defjamz26 said:

IDK if Sneed is the same level of player as Buckner was when he was traded, Buckner was the 2nd or 3rd best DT in the game.

Sneed is up there…..I mean he just came off a season in which he gave up one TD the entire season (including the post season when it actually happened). I’d say that’s pretty dominant.

[chad72]

On 3/3/2024 at 12:29 AM, Scott Pennock said:

Ballard has a precedent on the roster in Buckner. 
 

He traded number 13 for Buck and extended him when he could have stayed put and taken the rookie Javon Kinlaw. 
 

If the plan is to draft a CB then trading number 15 for a PROVEN CB makes just as much sense as the Buckner trade. 
 

Sneed just finished his 4th year in the league just like Buck when the trade was made. 
 

I would do it in a heartbeat if that was a one for one swap!

 

I wouldn't give up our No.15 for Sneed, no way. 

 

I would however ask them straight up if they would take our 3rd rounder since we are the ones giving them the cap room and signing Sneed to that big contract, at worst our No.46. He was originally a 4th rounder whose knee issues propped up only since the 2022 season SB vs Eagles and then again during minicamp. However, he has played through the season without missing games, so it was probably precautionary that he rested to recover.

 

Everyone should read this:

 

https://heavy.com/sports/kansas-city-chiefs/ljarius-sneed-knee-injury-red-flags/#:~:text=Sneed's knee injury first appeared,minicamp due to knee swelling.

 

It has to be incentive laden too, IMO.

[Defjamz26]

1 hour ago, Scott Pennock said:

Sneed is up there…..I mean he just came off a season in which he gave up one TD the entire season (including the post season when it actually happened). I’d say that’s pretty dominant.

Hes definitely good. But part of the reason he’s even in discussion for a trade is because of how good McDuffie has been. Sneed may not even be the best CB on the Chiefs. 15 is too rich for Sneed considering you’ll also have to pay him top corner money.

[Hoose]

I don’t see the Colts going FA for a CB. Free Safety and pass rush should be the focus. Get the right players and the D is immediately upgraded. Look to Day 2 of the draft for a new CB. 

[NewColtsFan]

6 hours ago, Defjamz26 said:

IDK if Sneed is the same level of player as Buckner was when he was traded, Buckner was the 2nd or 3rd best DT in the game.

And I think he was only 25.   And at 3-Tech, he played the position Ballard called the most important in the defense he wants to run.   Players like that don’t come along every year. 

[NewColtsFan]

On 3/3/2024 at 5:05 PM, richard pallo said:

Looks like Brian Burns might be heading to a tag a trade scenario as well.  That might have some appeal for Ballard as well.

Carolina has turned down offers of TWO 1’s for Burns.   They reportedly did that back at the trade deadline.   What are you reading (source) that’s says they now want to sign and trade him? 

[smittywerb]

I’d say pass.

 

1.  He’s 27.  Not old, but not young either.  If we want sustained success at corner we need at least 5 years.  Plus he’s had injuries and he’s not getting younger.  If we were in win now mode, sure.  But right now, we got maybe 2 years of building before that. 
 

2.  Expensive.  He’s going to want at least $20mill per year and seeing as we’re most likely going to be giving Pittman that, we can’t afford to have 2 players eat up a third of our cap space this year.  Add in whatever draft compensation and we’re missing out on drafting possibly some good players.

 

3.  Cheaper alternatives in the draft.  We have the ability to draft either Arnold or Quinyon.  And if we don’t get them, there are other players like Nate Wiggins and cooper dejean.  They’ll be able to grow with AR and the team hopefully hit their stride in 2-3 years.  Won’t cost us $20million

 

4.  Other needs.  I personally believe FS is bigger need and we’re going to have to pay for one.  The FS FA market is STACKED with good talent.  I see us spending anywhere from $15-$20million for one of these FA safeties depending on who we get.  Hopefully McKinney.

 

[smittywerb]

1 hour ago, Hoose said:

I don’t see the Colts going FA for a CB. Free Safety and pass rush should be the focus. Get the right players and the D is immediately upgraded. Look to Day 2 of the draft for a new CB. 

If we get Cooper Dejean or Nate Wiggins, I’d be a VERY happy colts fan.

[smittywerb]

6 hours ago, Defjamz26 said:

IDK if Sneed is the same level of player as Buckner was when he was traded, Buckner was the 2nd or 3rd best DT in the game.

and mind you, the player we would’ve most likely taken (Kinlaw) has done nothing.  I remember people were so upset we did that and didn’t draft Kinlaw.

 

 

[csmopar]

On 3/3/2024 at 10:11 PM, Scott Pennock said:

I look at it like this - I would trade almost any first round pick for a 3-5 year player who has proven themselves in the NFL as a good to great player like Sneed, Burns and Buckner prior to this year. A pick, even a first rounder is still a lottery ticket……

Considering the Chiefs are only wanting a day two pick, no way we trade 15 for him. Especially with how the DB market just got flooded in vet players mostly released for cap issues

[richard pallo]

9 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

Carolina has turned down offers of TWO 1’s for Burns.   They reportedly did that back at the trade deadline.   What are you reading (source) that’s says they now want to sign and trade him? 

Most recently today in a BR article highlighting 9 players who they rate from being least likely to most likely at being traded.  A lot of names you would expect.  Fields, Mack, Higgins, Snead , Reddick to name a few besides Burns.  They think Burns is leaning towards the most likely because they have new coaches and GM since they turned down the offer you mentioned and they want draft capital.  We were not mentioned as one of the three teams as a potential landing spot for Burns.   The only player of the nine they highlighted that the Colts would be one of the three ideal destinations is Snead.

[richard pallo]

5 minutes ago, csmopar said:

Considering the Chiefs are only wanting a day two pick, no way we trade 15 for him. Especially with how the DB market just got flooded in vet players mostly released for cap issues

I’ve read and heard a lot of opinions on the price for Snead.  The most popular opinion is it would take a 3rd and another pick this year or next year.  I could see the Colts doing that.  That move would help with finding an explosive player on the defensive side.

[throwing BBZ]

21 minutes ago, smittywerb said:

I’d say pass.

 

1.  He’s 27.  Not old, but not young either.  If we want sustained success at corner we need at least 5 years.  Plus he’s had injuries and he’s not getting younger.  If we were in win now mode, sure.  But right now, we got maybe 2 years of building before that. 
 

2.  Expensive.  He’s going to want at least $20mill per year and seeing as we’re most likely going to be giving Pittman that, we can’t afford to have 2 players eat up a third of our cap space this year.  Add in whatever draft compensation and we’re missing out on drafting possibly some good players.

 

3.  Cheaper alternatives in the draft.  We have the ability to draft either Arnold or Quinyon.  And if we don’t get them, there are other players like Nate Wiggins and cooper dejean.  They’ll be able to grow with AR and the team hopefully hit their stride in 2-3 years.  Won’t cost us $20million

 

4.  Other needs.  I personally believe FS is bigger need and we’re going to have to pay for one.  The FS FA market is STACKED with good talent.  I see us spending anywhere from $15-$20million for one of these FA safeties depending on who we get.  Hopefully McKinney.

 

 

 I'll go with Ballard's budget for a safety at $8.5 M per.

[smittywerb]

1 hour ago, throwing BBZ said:

 

 I'll go with Ballard's budget for a safety at $8.5 M per.

Welp, depends on what type of talent you want back there.  The Justin Simmons and Xavier McKinneys of the NFL make $15-$17million.  $8.5million will probably get you something good. 
 

After seeing our FS play last year and how we got beat deep, I’d pay the $15million-$20million.  I don’t think people understand how important FS is to the scheme that we’re running.  If we want blitz and get more aggressive, the safety play has to be excellent.  The corner has to be good also, but the safeties and pass rush are the bread and butter of this defense we play.

[Hawkeyecolt]

With the list of safeties available I doubt Simmons gets $15-17 million at his age. I doubt McKinney does too.   

[smittywerb]

57 minutes ago, Hawkeyecolt said:

With the list of safeties available I doubt Simmons gets $15-17 million at his age. I doubt McKinney does too.   

Agreed on Simmons, was just bringing him up to show what his talent level gets him.  And he was getting $15million/yr in Denver.  
 

But McKinney will definitely get more than what he was making with the Giants (which was $17million/yr).  He’s 24, he was top 5 coverage and top 10 in tackling.

 

i do believe what @throwing BBZ said regarding Ballard, that we won’t go for a McKinney due to his probable asking price, but personally I think it’s worth it.  We won’t have any big contracts to pay after this year and we won’t have to pay AR big money for a while.  I’d say spend that money now.  Just my opinion.

[runthepost]

19 hours ago, throwing BBZ said:

 

 I'll go with Ballard's budget for a safety at $8.5 M per.

His budget has led us to 1 playoff win in 7 years

[KB]

Resigning Blackmon (he shouldn't be to expensive with his injury history) and pairing him with another vet like Simmons seems like the best route for the safety room. Simmons would provide valuable experience our young secondary needs. If we did this tho, would we be able to keep Moore?

 

This got put in the wrong thread. My bad.

[smittywerb]

1 hour ago, runthepost said:

His budget has led us to 1 playoff win in 7 years

Yup, if we want difference makers in free agency, we’ll have to pay for them.  Not saying to be free agency champions, but if there’s a young stud that has proven he’s one of the best and consistent, go get him.

[chad72]

5 hours ago, smittywerb said:

Agreed on Simmons, was just bringing him up to show what his talent level gets him.  And he was getting $15million/yr in Denver.  
 

But McKinney will definitely get more than what he was making with the Giants (which was $17million/yr).  He’s 24, he was top 5 coverage and top 10 in tackling.

 

i do believe what @throwing BBZ said regarding Ballard, that we won’t go for a McKinney due to his probable asking price, but personally I think it’s worth it.  We won’t have any big contracts to pay after this year and we won’t have to pay AR big money for a while.  I’d say spend that money now.  Just my opinion.

 

That is the 1 position I want Ballard to change his ways and spend, to get a marquee free safety for this D. Then draft and develop the young corners. 

 

[NewColtsFan]

3 hours ago, chad72 said:

 

That is the 1 position I want Ballard to change his ways and spend, to get a marquee free safety for this D. Then draft and develop the young corners. 

 

I think those hoping for Ballard to change his ways, especially to spend huge money in the secondary, especially safety,  are going to be very disappointed.  
 

I suspect he’ll sign a safety, but think it’s most likely going to be under the $10 mill a year mark.  Maybe even well under.  

[RollerColt]

5 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

I think those hoping for Ballard to change his ways, especially to spend huge money in the secondary, especially safety,  are going to be very disappointed.  
 

I suspect he’ll sign a safety, but think it’s most likely going to be under the $10 mill a year mark.  Maybe even well under.  

Agreed. I fully expect us to be quiet day one of free agency. He has outright stated he does not like to overpay for players during this part of the league year. He’ll wait to see how the market sets itself and then work from there. 

[chad72]

28 minutes ago, RollerColt said:

Agreed. I fully expect us to be quiet day one of free agency. He has outright stated he does not like to overpay for players during this part of the league year. He’ll wait to see how the market sets itself and then work from there. 

 

It depends on what he deems as value though. Since he felt a guy like Buckner was pivotal to the D, he gave a 1st rounder AND signed him to a 4 year $84 million dollar contract.

 

He signed Justin Houston to a 2 year $30 mil. contract. He has spent before. It is not black and white that he won't spend. If he feels that free safety position is vital to this team, I feel he will spend.

 

If the goal is just to be in purgatory and middle of the road and being on the list of "also ran a good race" for feel good purposes, he will not be Colts GM in 3 years, that is a certainty, IMO.

[NewColtsFan]

12 minutes ago, chad72 said:

 

It depends on what he deems as value though. Since he felt a guy like Buckner was pivotal to the D, he gave a 1st rounder AND signed him to a 4 year $84 million dollar contract.

 

He signed Justin Houston to a 2 year $30 mil. contract. He has spent before. It is not black and white that he won't spend. If he feels that free safety position is vital to this team, I feel he will spend.

 

If the goal is just to be in purgatory and middle of the road and being on the list of "also ran a good race" for feel good purposes, he will not be Colts GM in 3 years, that is a certainty, IMO.

 

FWIW: 

The Houston deal….  2/24 was signed later in the summer.   After the draft.   He was one of the last big names to sign that year.  
When he was signed after the draft the Colts didn’t lose any draft pick compensation to the Chiefs.   

[chad72]

8 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

FWIW: 

The Houston deal….  2/24 was signed later in the summer.   After the draft.   He was one of the last big names to sign that year.  
When he was signed after the draft the Colts didn’t lose any draft pick compensation to the Chiefs.   

 

He may have signed Buckner as a FA too, if he had the chance, that was my point. The biggest difference between your understanding and mine is that Ballard doesn't feel the free safety position is worth investing too much into in free agency since they have invested in it plenty in the draft. But then so many good free safeties in the FA market don't come around too often, nor does a WR draft class come around like the current one too often. So one's viewpoint might be prone to change to take advantage. We will see.