Dayo

[AwesomeAustin]

Saw he was named as a breakout player to watch this year. I know he had a monster game against the Rams and I believe 1/2 sack last week. Is he showing up elsewhere not on the stat sheet?  I had him at high level backup to average starter when we drafted him. I also believe he was the main reason for the delayed gratification or whatever saying Ballard had a couple years ago. Does he appear to be developing into a player the Colts will want to resign?

[Solid84]

15 minutes ago, AwesomeAustin said:

Saw he was named as a breakout player to watch this year. I know he had a monster game against the Rams and I believe 1/2 sack last week. Is he showing up elsewhere not on the stat sheet?  I had him at high level backup to average starter when we drafted him. I also believe he was the main reason for the delayed gratification or whatever saying Ballard had a couple years ago. Does he appear to be developing into a player the Colts will want to resign?

He had a great week against the Rams, but other than that game he's been Average to Bad in PFF grades at least.

 

Edit:

We have him on contract next season as well and going with how he's played so far he won't get a new contract until after next season I think.

He's backup/rotational material so far. Hope he figures it out though and develops into what we hoped he could be.

[csmopar]

16 minutes ago, AwesomeAustin said:

Saw he was named as a breakout player to watch this year. I know he had a monster game against the Rams and I believe 1/2 sack last week. Is he showing up elsewhere not on the stat sheet?  I had him at high level backup to average starter when we drafted him. I also believe he was the main reason for the delayed gratification or whatever saying Ballard had a couple years ago. Does he appear to be developing into a player the Colts will want to resign?

He’s been fairly solid to the eye test against the run but I’m not seeing it on pass rush. That said,  I think he’ll stick around 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

He has had a pretty good year lol. Especially for not being a starter.

[richard pallo]

47 minutes ago, AwesomeAustin said:

Saw he was named as a breakout player to watch this year. I know he had a monster game against the Rams and I believe 1/2 sack last week. Is he showing up elsewhere not on the stat sheet?  I had him at high level backup to average starter when we drafted him. I also believe he was the main reason for the delayed gratification or whatever saying Ballard had a couple years ago. Does he appear to be developing into a player the Colts will want to resign?

When did you see that?  He’s not even a starter.  Hard to break out when you are a rotational guy.  

[AwesomeAustin]

7 minutes ago, richard pallo said:

When did you see that?  He’s not even a starter.  Hard to break out when you are a rotational guy.  

Just a few with a quick google search of his name and breakout. I agree…I don’t think he will ever be more than a rotational guy unless he is forced into starting lineup bc of an injury. I’ve been saying this since we drafted him. Still, would like to know others opinions to balance out mine bc it’s biased from watching him at Vanderbilt a lot. 
 

https://coltswire.usatoday.com/lists/indianapolis-colts-breakout-candidates-2023/#:~:text=DE Dayo Odeyingbo&text=Now entering Year 3%2C the,late season emergence last night.

 

https://www.stampedeblue.com/platform/amp/2023/7/28/23808500/colts-breakout-candidate-part-ii-kwity-paye-dayo-odeyingbo-edge-rushers
 

https://www.si.com/nfl/colts/news/5-colts-players-poised-breakout-2023

[richard pallo]

23 minutes ago, AwesomeAustin said:

Just a few with a quick google search of his name and breakout. I agree…I don’t think he will ever be more than a rotational guy unless he is forced into starting lineup bc of an injury. I’ve been saying this since we drafted him. Still, would like to know others opinions to balance out mine bc it’s biased from watching him at Vanderbilt a lot. 
 

https://coltswire.usatoday.com/lists/indianapolis-colts-breakout-candidates-2023/#:~:text=DE Dayo Odeyingbo&text=Now entering Year 3%2C the,late season emergence last night.

 

https://www.stampedeblue.com/platform/amp/2023/7/28/23808500/colts-breakout-candidate-part-ii-kwity-paye-dayo-odeyingbo-edge-rushers
 

https://www.si.com/nfl/colts/news/5-colts-players-poised-breakout-2023

Thanks.  I see he was mentioned along with numerous other players.  Jury’s still out I think.

[jvan1973]

A good rotational player so far.   Hopefully he can breakout

[compuls1v3]

Has a tendency to whiff on the QB when chasing them down,  takes bad angles,   Needs some consistency for good play.  Seems average to me.  May develop, but sucks since he was a 2nd round pick who Ballard toted was a first rounder.

[KB]

He's had some bone headed penalties. He and Lewis play the same spot on the roster. I like him as depth. He will get better as time goes on. I like him better inside than out.

[NewColtsFan]

Let’s not forget that Dayo’s first year was wiped out by a torn Achilles.  
 

And his second year was mostly about getting back into playing shape.   
 

I personally think of this year as Dayo’s first full healthy year.   And yet….   For reasons that I don’t understand, Dayo showed up this year weighing 286.   That’s 3-tech weight and yet he plays mostly the pass rushing RDE which is NOT his best position.   As I’ve written before, Dayo plays the spot because that’s where’s he’s needed, not because it’s his best position.   He shares it with Ebukam who gets the majority of the snaps.    So to me, Dayo plays out of position for the good of the team.   
 

I hope Dayo plays better this year, but I think his situation is far more complicated than simply being a good pick or a bad pick.   I also hope we’ll see an even better Dayo next season.  
 

That’s enough delayed gratification for one player. 

[lollygagger8]

I remember Irsay and Ballard saying how happy they were to get two amazing DE's in the same draft. (picked Paye first, then Dayo) 

 

He has good versatility playing across the line, but Colts need a really great DE. Hoping he can turn into that. 

[Nickster]

Dayo is a huge meh so far.  Not worth the draft slot.
 

Paye isn’t worth his slot and doesn’t appear to be more than a good edge setter.  Not worth the slot.  Coulda had superstar left tackle Darrisaw and many arm chair GMs here wanted that.  Darrisaw and Raimann would make QBs feel all warm and fuzzy for the next decade.

 

IMO bad picks for this org so far and largely the reason our pass d is so bad. They were drafted to get to the qb.  
 

I said when they were drafted that it would largely determine CBs fate.  His fate is up to Jimmy and that dude is a live wire and unpredictable.  But this D isn’t good.

[Nickster]

5 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:

Let’s not forget that Dayo’s first year was wiped out by a torn Achilles.  
 

And his second year was mostly about getting back into playing shape.   
 

I personally think of this year as Dayo’s first full healthy year.   And yet….   For reasons that I don’t understand, Dayo showed up this year weighing 286.   That’s 3-tech weight and yet he plays mostly the pass rushing RDE which is NOT his best position.   As I’ve written before, Dayo plays the spot because that’s where’s he’s needed, not because it’s his best position.   He shares it with Ebukam who gets the majority of the snaps.    So to me, Dayo plays out of position for the good of the team.   
 

I hope Dayo plays better this year, but I think his situation is far more complicated than simply being a good pick or a bad pick.   I also hope we’ll see an even better Dayo next season.  
 

That’s enough delayed gratification for one player. 

love that last line.
 

 He and paye look like bad picks so far to me.  Paye isn’t a bad player but he doesn’t bring anything a day 2 or 3 or mid tier FA would likely yield.

 

 

[AwesomeAustin]

45 minutes ago, Nickster said:

love that last line.
 

 He and paye look like bad picks so far to me.  Paye isn’t a bad player but he doesn’t bring anything a day 2 or 3 or mid tier FA would likely yield.

 

 

Ballard has used a lot of draft capital on the DL with average success. These are the times I miss watching film so I can see if scheme or the player is the cause. It is quite the commitment of free time and unfortunately I don’t have a lot of that anymore. It does seem that Ballard does a better job signing FA pass rush than drafting it. He nailed the middle of the line with Buckner and Stewart but it seems the two bookends always seem to be lacking. 

[SOMDColtsfan]

Jerry Hughes 2.0. We draft him, doesn't work out and goes somewhere else to flourish.

[John Hammonds]

55 minutes ago, Nickster said:

Dayo is a huge meh so far.  Not worth the draft slot.
 

Paye isn’t worth his slot and doesn’t appear to be more than a good edge setter.  Not worth the slot.  Coulda had superstar left tackle Darrisaw and many arm chair GMs here wanted that.  Darrisaw and Raimann would make QBs feel all warm and fuzzy for the next decade.

 

IMO bad picks for this org so far and largely the reason our pass d is so bad. They were drafted to get to the qb.  
 

I said when they were drafted that it would largely determine CBs fate.  His fate is up to Jimmy and that dude is a live wire and unpredictable.  But this D isn’t good.

I remember getting a little grouchy that draft.  I had my eye on TE Pat Freiermuth.  An impact player at a position of need.  And when we drafted an injured player who wasn't going to make a difference his first year, and then Freiermuth gets taken by the Steelers the very next pick, well....  I can't remember what I threw at the TV, but I wasn't happy.

I've tried to support CB's choice, and root for Dayo.  And celebrate when he has a big play.  But I still can't forget the player that got away, and watch how well he is playing for the other team.

[Nickster]

1 hour ago, AwesomeAustin said:

Ballard has used a lot of draft capital on the DL with average success. These are the times I miss watching film so I can see if scheme or the player is the cause. It is quite the commitment of free time and unfortunately I don’t have a lot of that anymore. It does seem that Ballard does a better job signing FA pass rush than drafting it. He nailed the middle of the line with Buckner and Stewart but it seems the two bookends always seem to be lacking. 

 

Ditto on film watching.  My son loves FB, and we got the All 22 last year, but after about this time last year it was no fun lol.  It's a big commitment.  

 

The front four has a ton of responsibility in the Bradley D.  It is a D that relies on great play from the front 4.  We don't get great play from this group.  We get averagish play overall. 

 

Buck is good but he's not the beast every year that he needs to be in order for his pay and trade capital to match his play.  I don't think he does that consistently.  He's paid to be like Donald, no one is but Buck is not playing great.  He's playing alright.  It's hard for some people to accept or understand the point, but when you pay a guy that much under a salary cap, he needs to play more like his first beastly year rather than since then.  Last years' level would be OK, but this year he's not good enough to justify the spend. 

 

I think Buckner's unspectacular play is part of the issue.  He was hired to be a beast, not just a solid player.

 

 

[Nickster]

1 hour ago, John Hammonds said:

I remember getting a little grouchy that draft.  I had my eye on TE Pat Freiermuth.  An impact player at a position of need.  And when we drafted an injured player who wasn't going to make a difference his first year, and then Freiermuth gets taken by the Steelers the very next pick, well....  I can't remember what I threw at the TV, but I wasn't happy.

I've tried to support CB's choice, and root for Dayo.  And celebrate when he has a big play.  But I still can't forget the player that got away, and watch how well he is playing for the other team.

 

Yeah I don't watch much CFB and usually don't pay attention to the draft until it happens and then I look up the players we draft.

 

I do know there were several guys here who were disappionted we didn't take Darrisaw, but Paye instead.

Darrisaw is is good as it gets over there.  Lot to like about Raimann, not complaining about him, but he and Darrisaw paired up would be a dream for NFL coaches and QBs alike.

 

[AwesomeAustin]

45 minutes ago, Nickster said:

 

Ditto on film watching.  My son loves FB, and we got the All 22 last year, but after about this time last year it was no fun lol.  It's a big commitment.  

 

The front four has a ton of responsibility in the Bradley D.  It is a D that relies on great play from the front 4.  We don't get great play from this group.  We get averagish play overall. 

 

Buck is good but he's not the beast every year that he needs to be in order for his pay and trade capital to match his play.  I don't think he does that consistently.  He's paid to be like Donald, no one is but Buck is not playing great.  He's playing alright.  It's hard for some people to accept or understand the point, but when you pay a guy that much under a salary cap, he needs to play more like his first beastly year rather than since then.  Last years' level would be OK, but this year he's not good enough to justify the spend. 

 

I think Buckner's unspectacular play is part of the issue.  He was hired to be a beast, not just a solid player.

 

 

Totally off topic but I was hoping they would shop Buckner before this past draft. If we could get a low 1st or top of 2nd to use on a weapon for AR, I would be all about it. Buckner is solid as can be and a good player, I agree he isn’t consistently a great player. He was acquired for the last DCs scheme and I’m saying this not knowing how import the 3T is in Bradley’s defense. 

[richard pallo]

3 hours ago, lollygagger8 said:

I remember Irsay and Ballard saying how happy they were to get two amazing DE's in the same draft. (picked Paye first, then Dayo) 

 

He has good versatility playing across the line, but Colts need a really great DE. Hoping he can turn into that. 

I would offer either one and our 1st for Burns and see what happens.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

28 minutes ago, AwesomeAustin said:

Totally off topic but I was hoping they would shop Buckner before this past draft. If we could get a low 1st or top of 2nd to use on a weapon for AR, I would be all about it. Buckner is solid as can be and a good player, I agree he isn’t consistently a great player. He was acquired for the last DCs scheme and I’m saying this not knowing how import the 3T is in Bradley’s defense. 

We are already going to have a mid first round pick for a weapon. If you have seen this team with out Buckner you would realize that’s a bad idea. Buckner had a few really good years left. 

[Nickster]

3 minutes ago, AwesomeAustin said:

Totally off topic but I was hoping they would shop Buckner before this past draft. If we could get a low 1st or top of 2nd to use on a weapon for AR, I would be all about it. Buckner is solid as can be and a good player, I agree he isn’t consistently a great player. He was acquired for the last DCs scheme and I’m saying this not knowing how import the 3T is in Bradley’s defense. 

 

Yep me too.  He had his best season in a while last year and probably would have returned something good in a trade.

 

I don't think  his play and age warrants another big money contract from us.,  It will be interesting to see what we do there. 

 

[DougDew]

4 hours ago, Nickster said:

love that last line.
 

 He and paye look like bad picks so far to me.  Paye isn’t a bad player but he doesn’t bring anything a day 2 or 3 or mid tier FA would likely yield.

 

 

There were two good players in recent Colts history that do the same things as Paye.  Set a good edge, and pressure the QB but end up a step slow to get sacks.  They tended to get clean-up type of sacks, or coverage sacks.  A player that is good to have, but not really a pick #17 guy.  Funny thing is, I don't think Paye's career so far has been anything different than what he showed in college or what his weaknesses were....not bendy or explosive to get around the OT.  I guess there was some ceiling potential there...lol.

 

The two other guys that come to mind are Jabaal Sheard and Erik Walden.

 

On topic.  I always thought Dayo was going to be a DE/DT tweener that took Lewis' role.  On draft day, I remember Ballard saying that Dayo was a first round talent that was only available at our second round pick because of the injury.  He's now healthy, and I don't think anybody has yet seen first round talent with Dayo.

[throwing BBZ]

22 minutes ago, DougDew said:

There were two good players in recent Colts history that do the same things as Paye.  Set a good edge, and pressure the QB but end up a step slow to get sacks.  They tended to get clean-up type of sacks, or coverage sacks.  A player that is good to have, but not really a pick #17 guy.  Funny thing is, I don't think Paye's career so far has been anything different than what he showed in college or what his weaknesses were....not bendy or explosive to get around the OT.  I guess there was some ceiling potential there...lol.

 

The two other guys that come to mind are Jabaal Sheard and Erik Walden.

 

On topic.  I always thought Dayo was going to be a DE/DT tweener that took Lewis' role.  On draft day, I remember Ballard saying that Dayo was a first round talent that was only available at our second round pick because of the injury.  He's now healthy, and I don't think anybody has yet seen first round talent with Dayo.

 

  Dayo is impacting the game, albeit not consistently. He still needs a lot of snaps to figure it out. I hope he stays healthy and gets those needed reps these last ten games.

 There are many pass rushers, WR, and QB's that make their jump in years 3 and 4.

  Posters here lament going after those contract year one year wonders.

 Truth is that many really good players do elevate their games from experience and play their best football in years 4-8.

 So Dayo still has a good shot of being a quality member of a SB challenger in the years ahead. 

 Kwity plays good football. His best should be ahead.

 

[Nickster]

49 minutes ago, DougDew said:

There were two good players in recent Colts history that do the same things as Paye.  Set a good edge, and pressure the QB but end up a step slow to get sacks.  They tended to get clean-up type of sacks, or coverage sacks.  A player that is good to have, but not really a pick #17 guy.  Funny thing is, I don't think Paye's career so far has been anything different than what he showed in college or what his weaknesses were....not bendy or explosive to get around the OT.  I guess there was some ceiling potential there...lol.

 

The two other guys that come to mind are Jabaal Sheard and Erik Walden.

 

On topic.  I always thought Dayo was going to be a DE/DT tweener that took Lewis' role.  On draft day, I remember Ballard saying that Dayo was a first round talent that was only available at our second round pick because of the injury.  He's now healthy, and I don't think anybody has yet seen first round talent with Dayo.

 

Absolutely on the comps.  And I agree Paye is who he was in college.  There are reasons why a guy with his size, unreal speed and strength go later in the draft.  Good Edge Setter.  Pretty good player.  Not a first rounder.  Stiff hips do not a pass rusher make usually.  I think he is probably better playing 3T and 1T on passing downs.  I always thought he'd be a good 4, 5 or 6T in an 3-4 .

 

Dayo, I've never been impressed.  Sometimes Dlinemen take a while to develop.  If he doens't improve drastically by the end of the season, he pretty much looks like a bust to me.  2nd on basically a back up linemen is not a good spend. 

 

Paye is at the least a 

[DougDew]

22 minutes ago, Nickster said:

Dayo, I've never been impressed.  Sometimes Dlinemen take a while to develop.  If he doens't improve drastically by the end of the season, he pretty much looks like a bust to me.  2nd on basically a back up linemen is not a good spend. 

I remember seeing a pic of Dayo shortly after his surgery and he looked about 300 pounds.  With his time off from football, he must of found somebody's Cheetos stash.

 

Great RAS and high ceiling is not the same thing as a player with demonstrated dedication to being a football player.  Not saying Dayo isn't one...how would I know..., but that pic was kind of......hmmm......moment for me.

 

I knew he was a good player coming out of Vandy...then the injury came and I forgot about him.  But he was listed at 280 there, and to me that speaks of a DT in the NFL 4-3.  3T perhaps....but we had already spent a pick 13 and $100M on ours.  So I never understood the pick.  Spend a 4th on Buck's backup, sure.  But a good second?  Dayo is not an edge and might be almost 20 pounds heavier than Lewis at playing weight.

[NewColtsFan]

25 minutes ago, DougDew said:

I remember seeing a pic of Dayo shortly after his surgery and he looked about 300 pounds.  With his time off from football, he must of found somebody's Cheetos stash.

 

Great RAS and high ceiling is not the same thing as a player with demonstrated dedication to being a football player.  Not saying Dayo isn't one...how would I know..., but that pic was kind of......hmmm......moment for me.

 

I knew he was a good player coming out of Vandy...then the injury came and I forgot about him.  But he was listed at 280 there, and to me that speaks of a DT in the NFL 4-3.  3T perhaps....but we had already spent a pick 13 and $100M on ours.  So I never understood the pick.  Spend a 4th on Buck's backup, sure.  But a good second?  Dayo is not an edge and might be almost 20 pounds heavier than Lewis at playing weight.

Apparently, Dayo is living rent free inside your head.   A picture of him nearly 3-years old still lingers in your mind.   Why is another of those Doug Dew mysteries? 
 

And Dayo wasn’t drafted to be a DT.   He was drafted to be a DE who has versatility and can also play inside when needed.    That’s different.  

 

 

 

[Nickster]

29 minutes ago, DougDew said:

I remember seeing a pic of Dayo shortly after his surgery and he looked about 300 pounds.  With his time off from football, he must of found somebody's Cheetos stash.

 

Great RAS and high ceiling is not the same thing as a player with demonstrated dedication to being a football player.  Not saying Dayo isn't one...how would I know..., but that pic was kind of......hmmm......moment for me.

 

I knew he was a good player coming out of Vandy...then the injury came and I forgot about him.  But he was listed at 280 there, and to me that speaks of a DT in the NFL 4-3.  3T perhaps....but we had already spent a pick 13 and $100M on ours.  So I never understood the pick.  Spend a 4th on Buck's backup, sure.  But a good second?  Dayo is not an edge and might be almost 20 pounds heavier than Lewis at playing weight.

I do think they wanted to have a fresh rotation and dominate on the DLine like SF had been doing at the time.  And personally, I think this is a good strategy.  A dominant front 4 can cover up a lot of ugly on the rest of the back 8.

It just hasn't worked out.  We do not have a dominant front and unfortuneately, there is a lot of ugly showing behind the LOS. 

[Nickster]

6 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

Apparently, Dayo is living rent free inside your head.   A picture of him nearly 3-years old still lingers in your mind.   Why is another of those Doug Dew mysteries? 
 

And Dayo wasn’t drafted to be a DT.   He was drafted to be a DE who has versatility and can also play inside when needed.    That’s different.  

 

 

 

 

Thanks for those pleasentries NCF.  

 

It makes for such an edifying Colts MB experience. 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

Why are we arguing about Dayo when he has had a pretty good year being a rotational piece.

[GoColts8818]

I’d say Dayo and Paye are both solid at what they do but for a first and second round pick you’d like to see more consistency from them.

[Nickster]

8 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

Why are we arguing about Dayo when he has had a pretty good year being a rotational piece.

 

I think it's because that is what the topic in this thread is about Chloe

[Nickster]

Just now, GoColts8818 said:

I’d say Dayo and Paye are both solid at what they do but for a first and second round pick you’d like to see more consistency from them.

 

Paye is very consistent.  He's just not much of a pass rusher.  He's a decent football player setting an edge and cleaning up the gargabe.

[DougDew]

42 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

Apparently, Dayo is living rent free inside your head.   A picture of him nearly 3-years old still lingers in your mind.   Why is another of those Doug Dew mysteries? 
 

And Dayo wasn’t drafted to be a DT.   He was drafted to be a DE who has versatility and can also play inside when needed.    That’s different.  

 

 

 

No.  He is not living in my head for three years.  I thought about him because somebody started a thread about him.  I don't even think about him when I watch Colts games, because he hardly ever does anything.

 

Yes, Ballard drafted him to be a 280 pound DE.  It worked for Richard Dent and Bruce Smith in 1985, but that was 1985.

[sb41champs]

Time will tell as to a potential 2nd contract.

 

That said - Chris Ballard firmly believes in depth at the offensive and defensive line positions.  Rotational and/or substitute players DO play a role.

[DougDew]

59 minutes ago, Nickster said:

 

I think it's because that is what the topic in this thread is about Chloe

 

1 hour ago, Nickster said:

I do think they wanted to have a fresh rotation and dominate on the DLine like SF had been doing at the time.  And personally, I think this is a good strategy.  A dominant front 4 can cover up a lot of ugly on the rest of the back 8.

It just hasn't worked out.  We do not have a dominant front and unfortuneately, there is a lot of ugly showing behind the LOS. 

Dayo's fine.  At this point, I just don't see where he has turned out to be that first round talent not drafted in the first round because of the Achilles, that Ballard said he was.   I assumed he would be an edge setter to Paye's pass rushing, then slide into Grover's spot and play next to Buck. 

 

The d line has a lot of Sheard's and Waldens.  Lots of plain white bread toast, but one premier biscuit short of what's needed. 

 

[Shive]

18 hours ago, compuls1v3 said:

Has a tendency to whiff on the QB when chasing them down,  takes bad angles,   Needs some consistency for good play.  Seems average to me.  May develop, but sucks since he was a 2nd round pick who Ballard toted was a first rounder.

He was pretty widely graded as a first rounder pre-injury.

 

8 hours ago, Nickster said:

I do know there were several guys here who were disappionted we didn't take Darrisaw, but Paye instead.

Darrisaw is is good as it gets over there.  Lot to like about Raimann, not complaining about him, but he and Darrisaw paired up would be a dream for NFL coaches and QBs alike.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

2 hours ago, DougDew said:

 

Dayo's fine.  At this point, I just don't see where he has turned out to be that first round talent not drafted in the first round because of the Achilles, that Ballard said he was.   I assumed he would be an edge setter to Paye's pass rushing, then slide into Grover's spot and play next to Buck. 

 

The d line has a lot of Sheard's and Waldens.  Lots of plain white bread toast, but one premier biscuit short of what's needed. 

 

You should of known Paye was more a edge setter then pass rusher. He isn’t the speed guy every team needs. Speed rushers unfortunately are as hard to find as quarterbacks.

[DougDew]

4 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:

Apparently, Dayo is living rent free inside your head.   A picture of him nearly 3-years old still lingers in your mind.   Why is another of those Doug Dew mysteries? 
 

And Dayo wasn’t drafted to be a DT.   He was drafted to be a DE who has versatility and can also play inside when needed.    That’s different.  

 

 

 

BTW, since I've only thought about Dayo today as I read this thread, it takes a while for things to come back to me.  The premise of the thread was "what do you think of Dayo's development"

 

Well, I would go back to what the guy who drafted him said.  That he was a first round talent that fell to our pick because of the achilles.  

 

If you recall, this was the Paye/Darrisaw draft where many folks wanted an OT.  Ballard passed on OT prospects like Dillon Radunz (who I didn't like) and Spencer Brown (who I did like) to take Dayo because he was an exceptional value....after already taking a DE with the first pick.

 

That tells me that Ballard expected him to play like first round material...sometime before his contract expires.  So my opinion of his development doesn't need a whole bunch of independent thought. 

 

Its pretty obvious where Dayo's development stands relative to expectations.