Jonathan Taylor comments on his contract/Request trade (Merge)

[csmopar]

4 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:

Yes….   First year is a 20 percent bump over what I think is the top-10 average at the position.   Second year is a 40 percent bump.   
 

If I’m wrong — and I might be — someone like @w87r or @Superman will correct me.     They know this detail better than anyone.  

Technically they can tag him three times. 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

13 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

No they didn't, I know that isn't true. The Dolphins GM said so.

 

If this were true, I would've took that as a Colts fan.

Doesn’t mean Chris didn’t ask. Just because there wasn’t serious talks doesn’t mean Ballard didn’t ask. That might be why talks never went anywhere.

[Moosejawcolt]

1 hour ago, stitches said:

Meh! This offense is built around AR's ability to run, not the RB, even if that RB is Taylor. Whoever scouts the Colts will be starting from that point, not from the RB. 

Listened to Lombari's pod cast just a minute ago. He said that the Colts are probably shocked at Taylor and his agent's behavior over the last month or so. He  doesn't see how even money can fix this situation. There were no offers that were substantive. Teams were offering penny's on the dollar and that Ballard was even counter offering but no one was biting. Is Taylor a good player? Yes he is but he had a down year last year. There was no guarantee that Taylor would play out this year on current contract. He said that the agent was fueling a lot of the supposed interest and the  draft choices that were being offered.  He will miss 4 games and that is going to further devalue Taylor. If there was a good deal out there, the Colts would have taken it.  He highly doubts the Green Bay interest as they just did Jones contract and he got a $500,000.00 roster bonus and it is not the way the GM does business. The rb market is what it is and more times than not, they do not play out their 2nd contracts. Even though Taylor is an adult, it sounds like the agent really messed this up. The Colts let him seek a trade as they wanted to show Taylor his true value and contrary to the multiple  picks that were apparently  being offered, it sounds like teams were offering very low picks. If interested you can go to GM Shuffle pod cast. Oh and he was right on Trey Lance. Was right on Taylor going on the PUP and recently said that Zona wont play Murray and it sounds like stuff coming out of Zona that they wont be playing him when he comes back from injury. Total rebuild in Zona

[2006Coltsbestever]

8 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

Doesn’t mean Chris didn’t ask. Just because there wasn’t serious talks doesn’t mean Ballard didn’t ask. That might be why talks never went anywhere.

I just know what the GM of the Dolphins told the Miami media and said on JR Sport Brief around 1am (CBS radio) on Tuesday night going into Weds. That is 100% fact, can't be disputed. So I thought my 1 cent would be important. 

 

[csmopar]

1 minute ago, Moosejawcolt said:

Listened to Lombari's pod cast just a minute ago. He said that the Colts are probably shocked at Taylor and his agent's behavior over the last month or so. He  doesn't see how even money can fix this situation. There were no offers that were substantive. Teams were offering penny's on the dollar and that Ballard was even counter offering but no one was biting. Is Taylor a good player? Yes he is but he had a down year last year. There was no guarantee that Taylor would play out this year on current contract. He said that the agent was fueling a lot of the supposed interest and the  draft choices that were being offered.  He will miss 4 games and that is going to further devalue Taylor. If there was a good deal out there, the Colts would have taken it.  He highly doubts the Green Bay interest as they just did Jones contract and he got a $500,000.00 roster bonus and it is not the way the GM does business. The rb market is what it is and more times than not, they do not play out their 2nd contracts. Even though Taylor is an adult, it sounds like the agent really messed this up. The Colts let him seek a trade as they wanted to show Taylor his true value and contrary to the multiple  picks that were apparently  being offered, it sounds like teams were offering very low picks. If interested you can go to GM Shuffle pod cast. Oh and he was right on Trey Lance. Was right on Taylor going on the PUP and recently said that Zona wont play Murray and it sounds like stuff coming out of Zona that they wont be playing him when he comes back from injury. Total rebuild in Zona

Some grammar would have been nice here. Just some 

[Moosejawcolt]

1 minute ago, csmopar said:

Some grammar would have been nice here. Just some 

i know. At work and sped through it lol

[sb41champs]

"Gregg Doyel: A story this ugly must have a bad guy, and it’s Jonathan Taylor

 

The Colts' standoff with Jonathan Taylor has liars on each side but just one bad guy, and no, it's not Jonathan Taylor's agent. The bad guy is Taylor."

 

Quote from a columnist of the Indianapolis Star.

 

OUCH!!

 

Let me repeat - OUCH!!

[2006Coltsbestever]

Just now, sb41champs said:

"Gregg Doyel: A story this ugly must have a bad guy, and it’s Jonathan Taylor

 

The Colts' standoff with Jonathan Taylor has liars on each side but just one bad guy, and no, it's not Jonathan Taylor's agent. The bad guy is Taylor."

 

Quote from a columnist of the Indianapolis Star.

 

OUCH!!

 

Let me repeat - OUCH!!

Doyel = 

[philba101]

On 8/30/2023 at 12:15 PM, esmort said:

Hold onto JT until a contender needs a RB for the playoff run and then get top compensation for him.

And why are you (or the Colts for that matter) convinced a contender is going to pay top compensation for a player who hasn't proven that he is healthy yet? Did they naively believe Taylor would come crawling back to them and beg to play when he didn't get traded? The down side to this foolish game that the Colts are playing is that they have nothing as long as Taylor sits on the sideline. Taylor's value then goes up over time? I suppose what you are saying could happen, but this is a big assumption/gamble by the Colts. If no one ponies up any compensation for Taylor and he sits out all year, what do you have to show for it as a franchise this season? The upside is supposed to be that we taught him a lesson and can go through all this drama again next off-season? This kind of thinking/approach by management leaves all of the outcomes in other people's hands. Trade him to the highest bidder and be done with it. Get a weapon for your rookie QB out of it and never look back. 

[csmopar]

Just now, philba101 said:

And why are you (or the Colts for that matter) convinced a contender is going to pay top compensation for a player who hasn't proven that he is healthy yet? Did they naively believe Taylor would come crawling back to them and beg to play when he didn't get traded? The down side to this foolish game that the Colts are playing is that they have nothing as long as Taylor sits on the sideline. Taylor's value then goes up over time? I suppose what you are saying could happen, but this is a big assumption/gamble by the Colts. If no one ponies up any compensation for Taylor and he sits out all year, what do you have to show for it as a franchise this season? The upside is supposed to be that we taught him a lesson and can go through all this drama again next off-season? This kind of thinking/approach by management leaves all of the outcomes in other people's hands. Trade him to the highest bidder and be done with it. Get a weapon for your rookie QB out of it and never look back. 

Sounds like not only did we not get offers we wanted, we didn’t get ANY offers. 

[cjwhiskers]

Media will be media. They can side with the player and bad mouth the Colts all they want in this instance but honestly the Colts have done nothing wrong. 

• They’ve asked the player who wants a new contract to play out his current contract. Not just JT mind you, but MPJ also. Who else that was here last year is also in a contract year? The team didn’t even rule out a mid year extension. We won 4 games last year. No one deserves bonuses and extensions. What kind of business rewards average or below average performance? 
  • THIS IS ALSO AFTER THE PLAYER WAS VERY PUBLIC ABOUT PLAYING OUT HIS CONTRACT ONLY A HANDFUL OF MONTHS PRIOR
  • Haven’t we recently done this exact thing to Kenny Moore? He wanted an extension and we basically told him play it out? I know he’s already had one extension but I’m pretty sure this was last season. 
• They granted a players request to seek a trade and listened to all offers. It’s completely in their right to not take a trade based on compensation. The organization knows the caliber of player JT is, why should they be forced to sell low? They took the chance to draft him, pay him, and help develop him. 
• They didn’t lie to him about taking the franchise tag off the table. It is 1000% a tool for organizations. Ballard made a strong point yesterday, it’s a tool, but how often has the team actually used it? RARE. 
• The team isn’t pressuring Taylor about the truthfulness to the injury or at least not publicly. It’s pretty clear the player is lying or embellishing. The dude is seeking a trade, in order for a trade to be successful he’d have to pass a physical.
  • If the speculation of him not trusting the colts to pay him is true and then to do this is somewhat hypocritical, no? If he would have held out, my respect for him wouldn’t have changed. It’s how he’s doing this that is very bothersome.

I do think things are generally repairable but I’m not sure how they get there. 

[2006Coltsbestever]

1 minute ago, csmopar said:

Sounds like not only did we not get offers we wanted, we didn’t get ANY offers. 

I just know Miami didn't, I have no idea about anyone else. 1 team I thought that would go after JT was the Bills. That just made perfect sense in every way.

[PeterBowman]

Is it just me or is it since the Colts called out New England for deflating footballs that the sports media been extra harsh on Colts management and ownership.

[cjwhiskers]

1 minute ago, PeterBowman said:

Is it just me or is it since the Colts called out New England for deflating footballs that the sports media been extra harsh on Colts management and ownership.

I honestly think it’s because Irsay is an easy target for them and the lack of team success over the last several years is an indicator to them that we are poorly run. I don’t think it’s true, there are plenty of well run teams that aren’t necessarily good year in and out. Look at the Steelers, it takes time to get the right players in place and isn’t easy. 
 

I also think it’s just the timing of the season. These media guys are all sensationalized and they have nothing else to talk about that helps them keep their jobs so they have to push what they can. What better way to stir up discussion and clicks.  

[2006Coltsbestever]

4 minutes ago, PeterBowman said:

Is it just me or is it since the Colts called out New England for deflating footballs that the sports media been extra harsh on Colts management and ownership.

OMG, you read my mind, I was just about to post this but figured I would get backlash from it. It does, I can list a lot of examples even REF wise but I won't go into it. 

 

Thank you for posting this 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

Really disappointed in Kevin Bowen podcast today. Following the line Ballard was blaming Ballard for winning 4 games. Just couldn’t understand why you don’t extend good players. Not sure what is hard to understand that they put a pause on handing out extensions early to evaluate things with a new coach.  Yeah Irsay probably also said let’s take a pause. Doesn’t mean they won’t getting extended which is what these guys are trying to insinuate. They just aren’t going yo get extended early until they evaluate everything.

[2006Coltsbestever]

Just now, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

Really disappointed in Kevin Bowen podcast today. Following the kind Ballard was blaming Ballard for winning 4 games. Just couldn’t understand why you don’t extend good players. Not sure what is hard to understand that they put a pause on handing out extensions early to evaluate things with a new coach.  Yeah Irsay probably also said let’s take a pause. Doesn’t mean they won’t getting extended which is what these guys are trying to insinuate. They just aren’t going yo get extended early until they evaluate everything.

Here lately Bowen and JMV aren't having their best days. 2 guys I really respect. 

[philba101]

12 minutes ago, csmopar said:

Sounds like not only did we not get offers we wanted, we didn’t get ANY offers. 

Certainly the Colts knew this could possibly backfire on them right? What was/is their contingency plan if Taylor doesn't come crawling back to them and ask to play at some point? Are we going to PUP list him all year, maybe suspend him? Again, this leaves the Colts 23-24 roster with nothing to show for their efforts, and again leaves this whole situation in other's hand. I am having real trouble understanding why management insists on playing this long-game with Taylor and praying that they somehow come out of this whole fiasco smelling like roses. Our GM looked like a teenager sitting at the press conference yesterday, slumped over with his hat pulled down over his eyes and bemoaning how this situation "really sucks." You are the GM, are you expecting someone else to fix this problem? I don't understand this approach.

[RollerColt]

18 minutes ago, philba101 said:

Certainly the Colts knew this could possibly backfire on them right? What was/is their contingency plan if Taylor doesn't come crawling back to them and ask to play at some point? Are we going to PUP list him all year, maybe suspend him? Again, this leaves the Colts 23-24 roster with nothing to show for their efforts, and again leaves this whole situation in other's hand. I am having real trouble understanding why management insists on playing this long-game with Taylor and praying that they somehow come out of this whole fiasco smelling like roses. Our GM looked like a teenager sitting at the press conference yesterday, slumped over with his hat pulled down over his eyes and bemoaning how this situation "really sucks." You are the GM, are you expecting someone else to fix this problem? I don't understand this approach.

The team won 4 games last year, and completed choked the year before that. Even with Taylor we weren’t getting the desired results. And then he fails his physical and claims he’s still injured… and wants to get paid more money? 
 

Imagine if any of us tried to do the same thing with our employers… we’d be fired practically instantly at least in the state of Indiana with the whole “right to work” stuff.

[ShuteAt168]

18 minutes ago, philba101 said:

Certainly the Colts knew this could possibly backfire on them right? What was/is their contingency plan if Taylor doesn't come crawling back to them and ask to play at some point? Are we going to PUP list him all year, maybe suspend him? Again, this leaves the Colts 23-24 roster with nothing to show for their efforts, and again leaves this whole situation in other's hand. I am having real trouble understanding why management insists on playing this long-game with Taylor and praying that they somehow come out of this whole fiasco smelling like roses. Our GM looked like a teenager sitting at the press conference yesterday, slumped over with his hat pulled down over his eyes and bemoaning how this situation "really sucks." You are the GM, are you expecting someone else to fix this problem? I don't understand this approach.

I agree with you on the CB visual and “it sucks” lament over and over. But sometimes people put you in an untenable situation and it becomes lose-lose. JT’s smartest move was to show he was healthy, have a good year and CB has shown he will reward his “Horseshoe guys” with nutty contracts even if they play non-premium positions. But JT is either hurt or lying about being hurt so what is CB supposed to do? I don’t even like CB but I think JT is being immature, greedy and unrealistic and hired a bad agent. He needs the Colts more than they need him. The Colts can win four games and find another two-down back easy enough. 

[philba101]

2 minutes ago, RollerColt said:

The team won 4 games last year, and completed choked the year before that. Even with Taylor we weren’t getting the desired results. And then he fails his physical and claims he’s still injured… and wants to get paid more money? 
 

Imagine if any of us tried to do the same thing with our employers… we’d be fired practically instantly at least in the state of Indiana with the whole “right to work” stuff.

I agree, so why are the Colts doing this whole "we want to repair this relationship" game right now? What experience with Taylor's new agent makes them believe this is achievable?

[ShuteAt168]

43 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

Really disappointed in Kevin Bowen podcast today. Following the line Ballard was blaming Ballard for winning 4 games. Just couldn’t understand why you don’t extend good players. Not sure what is hard to understand that they put a pause on handing out extensions early to evaluate things with a new coach.  Yeah Irsay probably also said let’s take a pause. Doesn’t mean they won’t getting extended which is what these guys are trying to insinuate. They just aren’t going yo get extended early until they evaluate everything.

Bowen’s position is weird. He’s like “you don’t need to pay premium prices for RB but ….let’s pay JT anyway.” He’s usually a solid analyst but I’m lost on his JT position. 

[sb41champs]

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/2023/08/30/colts-tackling-the-big-questions-in-the-jonathan-taylor-contract-saga/70713816007/?utm_source=indystar-dailybriefing-strada&utm_medium=email&utm_cam

 

OUTSTANDING COMPELATION OF THE TIMELINE!!

 

Worth the read.

[RollerColt]

18 minutes ago, philba101 said:

I agree, so why are the Colts doing this whole "we want to repair this relationship" game right now? What experience with Taylor's new agent makes them believe this is achievable?

That’s a fair question. I think it’s because Chris does have emotional connections with these guys. He doesn’t truly want Taylor to leave and as he said it he’s being patient and waiting and hoping Taylor comes to his senses. Is that a good strategy as a GM? I don’t know honestly. I do know he repeatedly stated he wasn’t going to just let JT walk. 

[Solid84]

21 minutes ago, philba101 said:

I agree, so why are the Colts doing this whole "we want to repair this relationship" game right now? What experience with Taylor's new agent makes them believe this is achievable?

Because the Colts wanted him on the team from the start. They allowed him to seek a trade to show him there wasn’t a market for what he wanted. They still want him on the team and want to mend fences. 
 

Nothing the Colts have done so far has been unreasonable. They want him on the team. They want him healthy. After a terrible season last year NO ONE is getting payed extra. They want to see him in the new system with our new coaching staff. Heck, Ballard even said they’d be willing to do a contract during the season if everything played out. 
 

So what does JT do? Refuses to take a physical, claims to still be injured then demands a new contract and later to be traded? The way JT and his team has played this is mindboggling. 

[csmopar]

57 minutes ago, philba101 said:

Certainly the Colts knew this could possibly backfire on them right? What was/is their contingency plan if Taylor doesn't come crawling back to them and ask to play at some point? Are we going to PUP list him all year, maybe suspend him? Again, this leaves the Colts 23-24 roster with nothing to show for their efforts, and again leaves this whole situation in other's hand. I am having real trouble understanding why management insists on playing this long-game with Taylor and praying that they somehow come out of this whole fiasco smelling like roses. Our GM looked like a teenager sitting at the press conference yesterday, slumped over with his hat pulled down over his eyes and bemoaning how this situation "really sucks." You are the GM, are you expecting someone else to fix this problem? I don't understand this approach.

I’m not sure but Billy Madison would make more sense than what I just read .

 

colts aren’t worried about getting anything for him. This was done to simply wake Taylor to the reality of the situation he is in, fair or not.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

 

[RollerColt]

1 minute ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

 

And yet the Fins GM contradicts this. I had a feeling the next tactic by Taylor’s agent would be to claim the Colts were unreasonable and unwilling to make a deal. He’ll be crying to every reporter that listens from now on. 

[Solid84]

5 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

 

Told by the Packers and the Dolphins or Malki Kawa?

[2006Coltsbestever]

12 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

 

Who told her 

[2006Coltsbestever]

12 minutes ago, RollerColt said:

And yet the Fins GM contradicts this. I had a feeling the next tactic by Taylor’s agent would be to claim the Colts were unreasonable and unwilling to make a deal. He’ll be crying to every reporter that listens from now on. 

It isn't going to work because the GM of the Dolphins spoke up. I guess he ruined a lot of people's parties, some people can take twitter and fold up shop. End of story - we aren't buying it anymore. 

[Defjamz26]

Did anyone else see on Twitter where Zach Hicks was saying that the relationship with JT and the Colts started to go sour in November?

 

https://x.com/zachhicks2/status/1696994293804638690?s=46&t=Wvd3D2aVDNMUixcyKKG_xA
 

 

https://x.com/zachhicks2/status/1696997698275065997?s=46&t=Wvd3D2aVDNMUixcyKKG_xA

[2006Coltsbestever]

4 minutes ago, Defjamz26 said:

Did anyone else see on Twitter where Zach Hicks was saying that the relationship with JT and the Colts started to go sour in November?

 

https://x.com/zachhicks2/status/1696994293804638690?s=46&t=Wvd3D2aVDNMUixcyKKG_xA
 

 

https://x.com/zachhicks2/status/1696997698275065997?s=46&t=Wvd3D2aVDNMUixcyKKG_xA

Interesting, because if Taylor felt like he was unable to play, you would think he would tell the coaching staff, I can't go. The medical staff also has to clear a player to play the upcoming game. No player can be forced to play - I have never heard of the that in following the sport for 5 decades. If I was a player and felt like I couldn't go or wasn't near 100%, I would say I am out. Isn't that common sense?

[Defjamz26]

7 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Interesting, because if Taylor felt like he was unable to play, you would think he would tell the coaching staff, I can't go. The medical staff also has to clear a player to play the upcoming game. No player can be forced to play - I have never heard of the that in following the sport for 5 decades. If I was a player and felt like I couldn't go or wasn't near 100%, I would say I am out. Isn't that common sense?

Well remember that’s what Antonio Brown alleged went on with him and the Bucs. They tried to “force” him to play on a bad foot. There’s another recent example/claim of that happening with a player but I can’t think of it right now.

 

No one can be forced to play, but if this has any merit to it then maybe JT felt “pushed” to play. He also could have just misinterpreted what someone said to him.

[NFLfan]

38 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Interesting, because if Taylor felt like he was unable to play, you would think he would tell the coaching staff, I can't go. The medical staff also has to clear a player to play the upcoming game. No player can be forced to play - I have never heard of the that in following the sport for 5 decades. If I was a player and felt like I couldn't go or wasn't near 100%, I would say I am out. Isn't that common sense?

 

I think it has happened a lot. We just didn't know it. How many players have had concussions and sent back out to play!

 

I don't know if that happened with JT but it has happened with others.

[NFLfan]

@csmopar  Did you find an answer for me? I pulled the following from an NFL.com article.

 

Quote

The physically unable to perform list, better known as PUP, is a designation for players who are physically unable to perform football services due to football-related injuries. These players can participate in team activities but are not allowed to practice.

https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-training-camp-roster-faqs-defining-injured-reserve-pup-list-nfi-and-more

 

So, I'm assuming they can be "at practice" but cannot practice.

 

[lester]

33 minutes ago, Defjamz26 said:

No one can be forced to play, but if this has any merit to it then maybe JT felt “pushed” to play. He also could have just misinterpreted what someone said to him.

 

Or, he re-watched Varsity Blues and thinks he can make the Colts look bad by saying they were mean to him. That'll make Chris open the checkbook; this time for sure.

[csmopar]

Just now, NFLfan said:

@csmopar  Did you find an answer for me? I pulled the following from an NFL.com article.

 

https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-training-camp-roster-faqs-defining-injured-reserve-pup-list-nfi-and-more

 

So, I'm assuming they can be "at practice" but cannot practice.

 

CBA says cannot attend practices in one sentence then the next, it says they cannot physically practice. So it’s double speak. 

[NFLfan]

Just now, csmopar said:

CBA says cannot attend practices in one sentence then the next, it says they cannot physically practice. So it’s double speak. 

 

Ok. We have seen players at practice who are not practicing. Wasn't JT shown on the side watching his teammates practice early in training camp??

[csmopar]

2 minutes ago, NFLfan said:

 

Ok. We have seen players at practice who are not practicing. Wasn't JT shown on the side watching his teammates practice early in training camp??

Different rules for training camp

pup. For example, it doesn’t have the line about not attending practice in that section