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15 minutes ago, richard pallo said:

I think if you were in Ballard’s or Irsay’s shoe’s right now you wouldn’t be waiting until 2024.

I think diehard fans would understand the big picture if I were trading down, acquiring extra 2024 1sts, and still landing a very talented player at a position of need with someone like Christian Gonzalez at corner later in round 1. Again this is only what I would do as owner since I can’t be fired. And only if Stroud doesn’t declare. 

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7 minutes ago, BProland85 said:

I think diehard fans would understand the big picture if I were trading down, acquiring extra 2024 1sts, and still landing a very talented player at a position of need with someone like Christian Gonzalez at corner later in round 1. Again this is only what I would do as owner since I can’t be fired. And only if Stroud doesn’t declare. 

No I don’t think fans will. That’s how bad it was this year. It’s why I don’t want Richardson. He needs to sit and I can’t stand another retread.

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2 hours ago, Moosejawcolt said:

I called nonsense. If he waits next year, he has no idea where he will go. His draft stock  could plummet and he  loses millions.  My  guess is that his stock is not as high as he thinks and he is graded as a late 1st round pick if that.

If Stroud declares he will go top 10 possibly even top 3

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6 hours ago, danlhart87 said:

He's 4th on QBs I want in this draft. It would be terrible if he stayed because the price to trade up for Levis or Young would increase and Bears would want 3 1s etc.

Trading up for ANY of these 3-4 QBs is beyond stupid. Sorry. But it is

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25 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

No I don’t think fans will. That’s how bad it was this year. It’s why I don’t want Richardson. He needs to sit and I can’t stand another retread.

Sometimes things just don’t work out. I don’t know how old you are or how long you’ve been a fan, but let me tell you being Colts fan as a kid in the 90s was so bad people would practically point and laugh in Bengals and Bears territory. 
 

We can’t really go into next season with high expectations. In fact, I wouldn’t be shocked if our record ends up being the same or worse. 

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3 minutes ago, RollerColt said:

Sometimes things just don’t work out. I don’t know how old you are or how long you’ve been a fan, but let me tell you being Colts fan as a kid in the 90s was so bad people would practically point and laugh in Bengals and Bears territory. 
 

We can’t really go into next season with high expectations. In fact, I wouldn’t be shocked if our record ends up being the same or worse. 

If saturday is the coach I expect worse and depending on who our qb is I expect worse

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3 hours ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

This is a very good point. That would Levis or Richardson.

 

 

I wouldn’t count on that. Someone could move up to one and Levis and young  both gone by 4.

Richardson might be the best pure athlete in the draft. He's basically a bigger, stronger version of Lamar, but without the accuracy. Some scouting types attribute his poor accuracy to mechanics. If that's true then it's the type of thing that can be corrected through coaching, so he could wind up being quite the steal. Or not.

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4 minutes ago, RollerColt said:

Sometimes things just don’t work out. I don’t know how old you are or how long you’ve been a fan, but let me tell you being Colts fan as a kid in the 90s was so bad people would practically point and laugh in Bengals and Bears territory. 
 

We can’t really go into next season with high expectations. In fact, I wouldn’t be shocked if our record ends up being the same or worse. 

I don’t care what the record is if it’s a rookie starting. I am fine with that. I can’t stand to sit and watch a retread again. Richardson will not be ready to start. The other three I feel could start without getting overwhelmed. 

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I don’t care what the record is if it’s a rookie starting. I am fine with that. I can’t stand to sit and watch a retread again. Richardson will not be ready to start. The other three I feel could start without getting overwhelmed. 

Richardson could start but he would have to rely on legs til his passing improved

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4 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

I don’t care what the record is if it’s a rookie starting. I am fine with that. I can’t stand to sit and watch a retread again. Richardson will not be ready to start. The other three I feel could start without getting overwhelmed. 

If you don't care about the record why cant Richardson start?     

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5 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

I feel he would be overwhelmed unlike the other 3.

Who cares?    You said you dont care about the record.   You do realize all these QB's are going to srtuggle in a HUGE way. SO you better prepare for 2-3 yrs of bad records and missing the playoffs.     

 

None of these QB's are Andrew Luck. Or Burrow or Lawrence or Mahomes. etc     They may turn out to be a Daniel Jones in a few years.  

 

And there will be a vet QB and they could start the season as the starter

 

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12 minutes ago, ChuggaBeer said:

Who cares?    You said you dont care about the record.   You do realize all these QB's are going to srtuggle in a HUGE way. SO you better prepare for 2-3 yrs of bad records and missing the playoffs.     

 

None of these QB's are Andrew Luck. Or Burrow or Lawrence or Mahomes. etc     They may turn out to be a Daniel Jones in a few years.  

 

And there will be a vet QB and they could start the season as the starter

 

We’re going to have to get some high caliber talent to surround the QB if we want to be competitive right away. That requires aggression during the off-season.

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18 minutes ago, ChuggaBeer said:

Who cares?    You said you dont care about the record.   You do realize all these QB's are going to srtuggle in a HUGE way. SO you better prepare for 2-3 yrs of bad records and missing the playoffs.     

 

None of these QB's are Andrew Luck. Or Burrow or Lawrence or Mahomes. etc     They may turn out to be a Daniel Jones in a few years.  

 

And there will be a vet QB and they could start the season as the starter

 

I wasn’t talking just about the record. I was talking about it killing his career with how little he had played. Young and stroud have played in enough games and big games I don’t  worry  their confidence if they lose.  Levis is 24. He isn’t going to have his confidence Killed going through rookie struggles.

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1 minute ago, RollerColt said:

We’re going to have to get some high caliber talent to surround the QB if we want to be competitive right away. That requires aggression during the off-season.

It will all depend on who the HC is.  IMO that is the most important aspect.   Indy already has difficulty attracting big time FA's and will have even more with a rookie QB until they prove themselves.    Which means we are most likely going to  struggle for a few yrs and many on here (and you know who you are) will * and panic constantly while this happens.   

 

I'm fine with some down yrs to develop a QB.    Not sure some on here will be that patient 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, RollerColt said:

We’re going to have to get some high caliber talent to surround the QB if we want to be competitive right away. That requires aggression during the off-season.

I don’t even care about that. I assume we will have rookie struggles. I just don’t think Richardson I had played enough to handle that well.

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23 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

I feel he would be overwhelmed unlike the other 3.

It's my understanding that he has an extremely good hard-working ethic and when it comes to making a bad play, he has that 'good' kind of amnesia about it and doesn't let it get to him.

 

However, I have yet to hear anything in depth about how good or quick he is at processing information.

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4 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

I don’t even care about that. I assume we will have rookie struggles. I just don’t think Richardson I had played enough to handle that well.

Who is to say Richardson hasnt already been working to fix mechanics already like the reports of Levis working with the guy who helped Allen and many others fix their mechanics. Fact is with the right oc we could win with richardson right away because him and taylor in the back field would cause extra focus on the run which would open up the pass

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3 minutes ago, Pelt said:

It's my understanding that he has an extremely good hard-working ethic and when it comes to making a bad play, he has that 'good' kind of amnesia about it and doesn't let it get to him.

 

However, I have yet to hear anything in depth about how good or quick he is at processing information.

I think his interviews and background information on him is going to be very important. I just assume he is going to test well athletically.  I like what I see on take if that can be developed. I would just like someone a little farther along so we don’t have to watch a vet again.

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1 minute ago, Stephen said:

Who is to say Richardson hasnt already been working to fix mechanics already like the reports of Levis working with the guy who helped Allen and many others fix their mechanics. Fact is with the right oc we could win with richardson right away because him and taylor in the back field would cause extra focus on the run which would open up the pass

For me it’s just how little he has played. Not really if he is working on things.

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6 minutes ago, New Zealands #1 Colts Fan said:

Excuse my naivety which stems from not being super familiar with college football rules. But if Stroud has another year of eligibility, why has every single person ( not just on this forum) been saying he is coming out and will be a top 5 pick. You know what they say about assuming something..............

Stroud would be smart to come out now. If he goes back he may be the third or fourth qb taken as next year draft is stacked

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Who is to say Richardson hasnt already been working to fix mechanics already like the reports of Levis working with the guy who helped Allen and many others fix their mechanics. Fact is with the right oc we could win with richardson right away because him and taylor in the back field would cause extra focus on the run which would open up the pass

how about we don't draft a QB who can't throw the ball.

 

that sounds like a plan to me.

 

QB job - throw ball

 

I'd like a QB with throwing mechanics that don't need to be overhauled. 

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40 minutes ago, masterlock said:

Richardson might be the best pure athlete in the draft. He's basically a bigger, stronger version of Lamar, but without the accuracy. Some scouting types attribute his poor accuracy to mechanics. If that's true then it's the type of thing that can be corrected through coaching, so he could wind up being quite the steal. Or not.

 

 Lamar with his accuracy. 

  I would love a trade back that got us Richardson. Two trade backs would be even better.  :applause:

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1 hour ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

No I don’t think fans will. That’s how bad it was this year. It’s why I don’t want Richardson. He needs to sit and I can’t stand another retread.

All of these QBs this year will likely need 2-4 years to round into any type of shape.

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Just now, throwing BBZ said:

 

 Lamar with his accuracy. 

  I would love a trade back that got us Richardson. Two trade backs would be even better.  :applause:

I would love that too. But the Raiders are just a few spots behind us. As are the Panthers.

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11 minutes ago, New Zealands #1 Colts Fan said:

Excuse my naivety which stems from not being super familiar with college football rules. But if Stroud has another year of eligibility, why has every single person ( not just on this forum) been saying he is coming out and will be a top 5 pick. You know what they say about assuming something..............

It would be a shock if he doesnt declare. When your going to most likely be a top five pick it would not be very smart. Then add the QB class next year.

 

I feel he would of announced it already if he was coming back. So hopefully that means he is coming off.

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1 minute ago, Stephen said:

Stroud would be smart to come out now. If he goes back he may be the third or fourth qb taken as next year draft is stacked

Which is why I think we trade back, Grab our LT of the future in round one.  Grab the best remaining QB in round 2. If it works out, great if it doesn’t, high draft pick in 2024 in a QB stacked draft

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