Phillip Lindsay and Deon Jackson's Pass Protection

[BlueShoe]

I was very impressed with both Phillip and Deon's pass protection. It was apparent from the live feed. It was nice to hear Frank Reich mention it in his post game press conference. This is an area a team usually misses the most when starting running backs go down. The Colts running backs were well prepared for this game. Scottie Montgomery deserves a lot of credit. 

 

Things that do not hit the stat book, but win football games. 

[chad72]

Glad to see you back, @BlueShoe

 

Yes, a totally underrated aspect of the game, RB pass protection. Peyton had it in spades with Edge and Addai. Luck had it good with Bradshaw and not so much with the other RBs. Given that Frank rarely devotes extra resources to help with chipping, the RB protection ends up mattering a lot for the numbers the offense can enjoy. Good job by the RB coach. Hopefully it will carry through to the Titans game.

[Mr.Debonair]

Deion Jackson is RB2. He does things better than Hines and still allows the offense to operate as it wants to

[open window]

9 minutes ago, Mr.Debonair said:

Deion Jackson is RB2. He does things better than Hines and still allows the offense to operate as it wants to

Proof is in the pudding, the Hines contract seems like a bad idea in hindsight.

[jbaron04]

19 minutes ago, Mr.Debonair said:

Deion Jackson is RB2. He does things better than Hines and still allows the offense to operate as it wants to

Jackson is catching the ball just fine and can actual run between the tackles 

[GRUMPY OLD MAN]

9 minutes ago, open window said:

Proof is in the pudding, the Hines contract seems like a bad idea in hindsight.

ballard overpaid again

[Colts1324]

34 minutes ago, DEFENSE said:

ballard overpaid again

He has 2 years, 14 million left after this year right?

 

I’m sure we could get a team to take on most of that & send over a 5th round pick. 
 

He would do great over in NE or as LAR change of pace back imo

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

It didn’t even dawn on me that might be the reason the blocking was better. Maybe they are better at blocking then Taylor and Hines. Maybe overall thdy both helped the oline better then the other two. Although it didn’t help in Denver but no practiced that week so maybe they had some effect.

[Nickster]

Absolutely, this is something I have discussed several times in the last couple years.

 

Taylor is as bad as it gets in Pass pro. He's terrible at it and he probably is never going to be good at it.  The most important thing about pass pro for an RB is lateral quickness and mirroring.  Not going to be a strong suit for Taylor. 

 

He's often in on 3rd and long and it's mind boggling, he just gets ate up when he needs to pick up a rusher most of the time.

 

Hopefully, it is obvious that Jackson is much better suited to a 3rd down roll than Taylor.  It will help.

 

Taylor might catch one and break one every once in a while on 3rd and long, but much more often he will hurt the team with inadequate pass blocking.

 

I really hope this is one of those obvious things that management will clearly see and adjust too.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

Very well could be they pull Taylor on obvious passing situations  and put on Jackson. Especially on 3rd and long.

[BlackTiger]

3 hours ago, Nickster said:

He's often in on 3rd and long and it's mind boggling, he just gets ate up when he needs to pick up a rusher most of the time.

 

 

I think we tend to leave whatever RB was already in the game in on third down most of the time.  They dont seem to like the concept of a third down back

[Nickster]

2 hours ago, TaylorTheStudMuffin said:

Very well could be they pull Taylor on obvious passing situations  and put on Jackson. Especially on 3rd and long.

A lot of downs you want Taylor’s big play threat but on obvious passing downs he shouldn’t be in the game.  Everyone does this in the league.  
 

JT is really really bad at pass pro.  And hasn’t really improved.  TN uses a 3rd down guy. It’s one of those weird things management does.

 

Hines is actually a plus pro guy and they didn’t even use him in that obvious way.

 

on first watch during the game it was great pass pro from backs all afternoon.  It was striking really.  Blisters were picked up.

[CanuckColt]

6 hours ago, open window said:

Proof is in the pudding, the Hines contract seems like a bad idea in hindsight.

Playing Hines was always an iffy idea...we needed to invent plays for a small short light RB .

Now it is a bad idea...would rather see Lindsay in as RB3. Deon is RB2 of course.

[chad72]

2 hours ago, Nickster said:

It was striking really.  Blisters were picked up.

Ouch, that’s got to hurt  

[Moosejawcolt]

7 hours ago, open window said:

Proof is in the pudding, the Hines contract seems like a bad idea in hindsight.

Seems like????

[Moosejawcolt]

2 hours ago, Nickster said:

A lot of downs you want Taylor’s big play threat but on obvious passing downs he shouldn’t be in the game.  Everyone does this in the league.  
 

JT is really really bad at pass pro.  And hasn’t really improved.  TN uses a 3rd down guy. It’s one of those weird things management does.

 

Hines is actually a plus pro guy and they didn’t even use him in that obvious way.

 

on first watch during the game it was great pass pro from backs all afternoon.  It was striking really.  Blisters were picked up.

Yeah Taylor maybe a great runner but u can't give him big money if he refuses to pass protect. It is so vital to have your #1 running back pass protect.  

[Moosejawcolt]

2 hours ago, Nickster said:

A lot of downs you want Taylor’s big play threat but on obvious passing downs he shouldn’t be in the game.  Everyone does this in the league.  
 

JT is really really bad at pass pro.  And hasn’t really improved.  TN uses a 3rd down guy. It’s one of those weird things management does.

 

Hines is actually a plus pro guy and they didn’t even use him in that obvious way.

 

on first watch during the game it was great pass pro from backs all afternoon.  It was striking really.  Blisters were picked up.

And that's why u can't give e him big money. Teams know that when they take him out of the game, it is usually because he can't protect and the defence can than surmise what the next play maybe.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

1 hour ago, CanuckColt said:

Playing Hines was always an iffy idea...we needed to invent plays for a small short light RB .

Now it is a bad idea...would rather see Lindsay in as RB3. Deon is RB2 of course.

Lindsey is the same size maybe smaller then Hines.

[Mr.Debonair]

Now watch, as soon as Hines is clear, Deon Jackson will be an afterthought 

[chad72]

5 minutes ago, Mr.Debonair said:

Now watch, as soon as Hines is clear, Deon Jackson will be an afterthought 

 

Afterthought on paper, I agree. On the field, it would be hard for Frank to ignore. Hines normally has that 1 or 2 good games a season he is good for. With Rivers, that 2 TD game with his somersault after a TD vs the Lions at home, and the road TNF game vs Titans he did really well when we won with him running (also had a special teams TD for the Colts).

 

That game is yet to come this season and hopefully sooner than later.

[AustexColt]

Teams have discovered that rushing with five is great in getting Matt Ryan to fumble and making poor throws.

They know he is accurate so their scheme is perfect. Against the Jags we learned how to pass protect agains 5, now it is very important we learn how to run against five. 

[BlueShoe]

6 hours ago, Mr.Debonair said:

Now watch, as soon as Hines is clear, Deon Jackson will be an afterthought 

Going to be hard to forget, as he is brought up every week this season as a former Scepter winner. 

[BlueShoe]

Impressed with a lot of responses in this thread. I was kind of surprised to see Deon get all the praise for pass protection , which he deserves. He did very well. I haven’t rewatched the game yet, but from the naked eye, Phillip stood out in pass protection more. Some of those blitz pickups were outstanding.