Stephen Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said: I am going by clutch more than anything in the playoffs. I love Peyton Manning and statistically he smokes Joe Montana but who would you rather have down by 6 with 2 minutes to go in the SB to win you the game? You are just not getting my point and seem to think kicking in a regular season game is the same as kicking in a SB or a divisional round game. Tucker is the best 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holeymoley99 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 1 minute ago, 2006Coltsbestever said: I am going by clutch more than anything in the playoffs. I love Peyton Manning and statistically he smokes Joe Montana but who would you rather have down by 6 with 2 minutes to go in the SB to win you the game? You are just not getting my point and seem to think kicking in a regular season game is the same as kicking in a SB or a divisional round game. Tucker is Mr Clutch though which is kinda my point as well...going into last season 11 of 12 career in playoffs its not like Tucker chokes in those moments, that goes along with NEVER missing a fg with 1 minute or left in a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvan1973 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, holeymoley99 said: Again already ahead of him in most every category based on skill....All Pro, seasons over 90% etc...longest...and in half the time Points, game winning playoff kicks. Vinny is a sure fire hall of fame. Tucker has a long way to go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holeymoley99 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Tucker would go in if he never played another snap...we havent even really talked about the difference in long distance kicks overall Vinnie only made 45 fg 50 or longer in his career 45 of 72... Tucker has already made 45 of them in half the time... 45 of 63 Tucker would have to make none the rest of his career and miss 9 in a row to match Vinny The more numbers that are presented the bigger the difference becomes honestly..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvan1973 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 1 minute ago, holeymoley99 said: Tucker would go in if he never played another snap...we havent even really talked about the difference in long distance kicks overall Vinnie only made 45 fg 50 or longer in his career 45 of 72... Tucker has already made 45 of them in half the time... 45 of 63 Tucker would have to make none the rest of his career and miss 9 in a row to match Vinny The more numbers that are presented the bigger the difference becomes honestly..... No way he goes in if he retired today. Not close 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2006Coltsbestever Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 9 minutes ago, jvan1973 said: Points, game winning playoff kicks. Vinny is a sure fire hall of fame. Tucker has a long way to go That is what I am basing my debate on as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2006Coltsbestever Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 7 minutes ago, holeymoley99 said: Tucker would go in if he never played another snap...we havent even really talked about the difference in long distance kicks overall Vinnie only made 45 fg 50 or longer in his career 45 of 72... Tucker has already made 45 of them in half the time... 45 of 63 Tucker would have to make none the rest of his career and miss 9 in a row to match Vinny The more numbers that are presented the bigger the difference becomes honestly..... In order for Tucker to get into the Hall he has to do this for at least 5 more years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holeymoley99 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 7 minutes ago, jvan1973 said: No way he goes in if he retired today. Not close Disagree, longest fg in NFL History, Most accurate fg% in NFL history and 2nd most times All Pro in NFL history (1 behind Anderson who is in ). And played more games than many players in the hall already ( 60 is fewest games in the hall by the way) Tucker is at 151 games played Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holeymoley99 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 You do know Jan Stenerud is in Hall Of Fame correct...when you compare Tucker to Jan it becomes embarrassing so I wont even do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvan1973 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 9 minutes ago, holeymoley99 said: Disagree, longest fg in NFL History, Most accurate fg% in NFL history and 2nd most times All Pro in NFL history (1 behind Anderson who is in ). And played more games than many players in the hall already ( 60 is fewest games in the hall by the way) Tucker is at 151 games played There are 2 true kickers in the HOF. Vinny will be the next. Tucker isn't on the top 20 points list yet. If he retired tomorrow, he isn't in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holeymoley99 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 1 minute ago, jvan1973 said: There are 2 true kickers in the HOF. Vinny will be the next. Tucker isn't on the top 20 points list yet. If he retired tomorrow, isn't in. Wrong he has the accolades and would you could bet the house on it.....again Jan is in.....numbers between those two even bigger than Tucker vs Vinny.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvan1973 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 1 minute ago, holeymoley99 said: Wrong he has the accolades and would you could bet the house on it.....again Jan is in.....numbers between those two even bigger than Tucker vs Vinny.... No, Jan has more points than Tucker. Kickers who play for 10 years don't get in the Hall. 2 of these guys are in the Hall. Vinny is next. http://www.espn.com/nfl/history/leaders/_/stat/points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holeymoley99 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Jan 373 fg made Tucker 336 Jan 66.8% Tucker 90.8% Jan 1 All Pro season Tucker 4 All Pro seasons Jan 17/64 50 yards or longer 26.5% Tucker 45/63 50 yards or longer 71.4 % They do when they raise the bar and are best at position by so much.......those are all true numbers.....didnt want to do that to Jan but was forced...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvan1973 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 6 minutes ago, holeymoley99 said: Jan 373 fg made Tucker 336 Jan 66.8% Tucker 90.8% Jan 1 All Pro season Tucker 4 All Pro seasons Jan 17/64 50 yards or longer 26.5% Tucker 45/63 50 yards or longer 71.4 % They do when they raise the bar and are best at position by so much.......those are all true numbers.....didnt want to do that to Jan but was forced...... Jan was a 4 time all pro. And has a ring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvan1973 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, jvan1973 said: Jan was a 4 time all pro. And has a ring. He also perfected the soccer style kick that is universally used today. He was an innovative player . He changed the way the game is played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holeymoley99 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 13 minutes ago, jvan1973 said: Jan was a 4 time all pro. And has a ring. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/stenejan01.htm 1 time All Pro... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvan1973 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Just now, holeymoley99 said: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/stenejan01.htm 1 time All Pro... You understand there are first team all pro AND a second team all pro. Both are considered All Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holeymoley99 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 16 minutes ago, jvan1973 said: . And has a ring. Tucker also has a Super Bowl ring.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holeymoley99 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 4 minutes ago, jvan1973 said: You understand there are first team all pro AND a second team all pro. Both are considered All Pro Comparing Jan vs Tucker is like comparing Gore vs Jim Brown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvan1973 Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, holeymoley99 said: Ok Tucker 4x 1st team All Pro....Jan 1 as documented and recognized He also brought the soccer style kick to the game. Obviously a big deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holeymoley99 Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 Sure Gore played longer Just now, jvan1973 said: He also brought the soccer style kick to the game. Obviously a big deal and Joe Namath brought the guarantee and got in that way..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holeymoley99 Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 But Tuckers numbers dwarf Jan, they arent even in same discussion...one is most accurate ever other...umm not so much...one had a huge leg other has dismal stats over 50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holeymoley99 Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 I mean I expect a few Vinnie hold outs next couple years but anyone debating jan being better then Tucker....just cant even have that kind of debate honestly.....no offense just not logical to me or most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvan1973 Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, holeymoley99 said: Sure Gore played longer and Joe Namath brought the guarantee and got in that way..... Jan changed the game. Also after some digging Jan was a 6 time all pro. 4 firsts and 2 seconds. There were more than one all pro team back then. Anyway, Tucker and every soccer style kicker before him have Jan to thank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollerColt Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 … so anyway how about that Chiefs Packers game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvan1973 Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 4 minutes ago, holeymoley99 said: But Tuckers numbers dwarf Jan, they arent even in same discussion...one is most accurate ever other...umm not so much...one had a huge leg other has dismal stats over 50 He did it for 20 years. Kickers have to have long great careers to get in. Vinny is universally considered the most clutch kicker all time. He did it for 24 years. Tucker needs a lot more years to get in. The history of the position says so Just now, RollerColt said: … so anyway how about that Chiefs Packers game? Not much to talk about. The Packers stink without Rodgers. I'm not surprised Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollerColt Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, jvan1973 said: He did it for 20 years. Kickers have to have long great careers to get in. Vinny is universally considered the most clutch kicker all time. He did it for 24 years. Tucker needs a lot more years to get in. The history of the position says so Not much to talk about. The Packers stink without Rodgers. I'm not surprised So much for Love being the savior. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restinpeacesweetchloe Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 Can we talk about how bad Mahomes has been this game. GB would of win this game with Rodgers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NFLfan Posted November 8, 2021 Author Share Posted November 8, 2021 Anyone else rooting against the Rams? I do not want them winning the whole thing. I like Stafford, Whitworth, and Donald but I don't like the Rams. They are becoming the Cowboys and Pats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nesjan3 Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Wentzszn said: Can we talk about how bad Mahomes has been this game. GB would of win this game with Rodgers. He was terrible but Love was worse lol 4 minutes ago, NFLfan said: Anyone else rooting against the Rams? I do not want them winning the whole thing. I like Stafford, Whitworth, and Donald but I don't like the Rams. They are becoming the Cowboys and Pats. I like Peterson but cant root for the Titans 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoltan Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 4 minutes ago, NFLfan said: Anyone else rooting against the Rams? I do not want them winning the whole thing. I like Stafford, Whitworth, and Donald but I don't like the Rams. They are becoming the Cowboys and Pats. I gotta root for the Rams and against the Titans. Tannehill interception!!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediXMan Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 Autry is wrecking shop smh. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indyfan4life Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 Autry. Ugh. Really wish we would have kept him. If the Colts aren’t going to win it, then I want the Packers or Rams to win it. Overly sick of the Chiefs and Bucs. No one else but the Packers and Rams have a chance to beat them imo. Ravens have got lucky a lot, and if I’m being honest, I’m sick of Jackson and Harbaugh too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsarquise Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, JediXMan said: Autry is wrecking shop smh. It's saddening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NFLfan Posted November 8, 2021 Author Share Posted November 8, 2021 Why was Autry not re-signed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nesjan3 Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 Just now, NFLfan said: Why was Autry not re-signed? I think Ballard wanted to give Lewis and Turay starting jobs in their contract year 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NFLfan Posted November 8, 2021 Author Share Posted November 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, Indyfan4life said: Autry. Ugh. Really wish we would have kept him. If the Colts aren’t going to win it, then I want the Packers or Rams to win it. Overly sick of the Chiefs and Bucs. No one else but the Packers and Rams have a chance to beat them imo. Ravens have got lucky a lot, and if I’m being honest, I’m sick of Jackson and Harbaugh too. I love Harbaugh. I wish the Vikes would trade for him. Lol. Why are "tired" of him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediXMan Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, Indyfan4life said: Autry. Ugh. Really wish we would have kept him. If the Colts aren’t going to win it, then I want the Packers or Rams to win it. Overly sick of the Chiefs and Bucs. No one else but the Packers and Rams have a chance to beat them imo. Ravens have got lucky a lot, and if I’m being honest, I’m sick of Jackson and Harbaugh too. Wouldn't mind the Cards as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restinpeacesweetchloe Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 4 minutes ago, NFLfan said: Why was Autry not re-signed? We basically let him go over just one million more in guaranteed money. He never should of hit FA. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvan1973 Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 6 minutes ago, NFLfan said: Why was Autry not re-signed? Because Ballard didn't think he was worth 7 million a year over three years. The guy is earning his money 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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