Should we get into the Chandler Jones conversation

[Mr. Too Proud]

Chandler Jones 15 million dollars 1 year. What is his value? Jones is 31 years old and missed the majority of last year. Similar situation is Melvin Ingram who is 32 years old and also missed the majority of last year. He just signed a 1 year 4 million dollar deal (1.075 million base salary) with voidable years. I think Jones is worth a 4th or 5th round pick, we have to hope playing next to Buckner and Grover he catches on fire and signs a lucrative deal when the cap rises next year.

 

https://youtu.be/HKD45FDefL4

 

Possible Fit

Remember Justin Houston was a 3-4 OLB that was able to adapt to our system. Jones played in a multiple defense while playing for Patriots and has experience in various roles.

 

Possible contract comps for next year

Melvin Ingram (age 32) 1 year 4 million

Jadeveon Clowney (age 28) 1 year 10 million

Bud Dupree (age 28) 5 years 82 million

 

All three players miss time last year due to injuries as well as being at least 28 years old. I personally believe that Jones will fall between Clowney and Dupree making 12 to 15 million a year next contract. The reason I'm bringing up next year is because of the possible comp pick.

 

https://youtu.be/rCOwwcsUJrg

 

Chandler Jones

2019 stats

15 games

19 sacks

11 TFL

26 QB hits

53 combined tackles

8 FF

5 pass deflections

49 pressures

 

If healthy he truly can be a force against the AFC South Left Tackles.

 

Taylor Lewan -recovering from torn ACL

 

Cam Robinson - in his four years in the NFL, Robinson ranks dead last among qualifying left tackles in PFF grade (56.2).

 

Laremy Tunsil- probably the best tackle in the division but he is still susceptible to penalties.

 

 

 

 

3 options

 

Ripping the Band-Aid off

Mark Glowinski (5,650,000) 1 year

 

Trading Glowinski would rip the Band-Aid off the offense line. He is in contract year and unlikely to return leaving for greener pastures next Off-season. We have Pinter and Tevi, both similar size as Glowinski. I know trading a key piece of our offensive line sounds crazy but Glowinski is likely to leave so why not trade a year early and give the reps to someone else. Plus it's highly probably that Jones will give us a higher comp pick than Glowinski.

 

Glowinski and 6th round

For

Chandler Jones

 

Let's get crazy

Trade Jack Doyle (4.35 million) to Cowboys for 6th and package both picks for Jones. This is far fetched and closer to a NBA deal but this benefit all three teams. Cowboys need a TE, Doyle can replace what they have been missing since Jason Witten left. We also put Doyle in a good spot to contend and make deep playoff run. The Cardinals save cap money picking up two draft picks and can sign a few free agents with that new found money (Justin Houston, Garon Conley, Mitchell Schwartz). We can get a great edge rusher and fill in the TE role with a free agent.

Sign Delanie Walker or bring back Trey Burton.

 

This is far fetched but works as well.

Doyle Trade makes space for Jones.

 

Dallas 6th(traded Doyle) and Colts 6th

For

Chandler Jones (pick up Delanie Walker or Trey Burton to fill TE role)

 

 

Kicking can down the road

Ryan Kelly is only making 3.5 million in 22. We could restructure his contract Giving him more money in 22. Let's turn 8 million of his 10 million owed to him into signing bonus for this year. This gives us flexibility to pick up free agents if anyone gets injured and enough money to sign Jones. Some may disapprove but let's be honest what else are we going to do with the salary cap money next year.

 

Trade 5th round for Jones

 

 

Any Thoughts?

 

I think Jones would be a great addition to the team. He would make it hard to evaluate a few players but his experience could help the edge room out. Bringing him in especially after asking for a trade seems unlikely but we did end up with Wentz. I'm sure you all have better scenarios than above or it maybe cheaper to bring back Justin Houston or sign Olivier Vernon from free agency. Does trading for Jones move the needle? Does this increase our chances of winning a Superbowl and does 1 year 15 million dollars hurt anything in our future?

 

[JediXMan]

No we already have our hands full with Nelson, Leonard, Smith extensions. Jones himself wants to get paid more.

[TaylorStillTruckedYou]

No sir, no money, just invested our two first picks for the position he already plays, and frankly put, no room on our D-line.  I think the D-line is the least of our concern at the moment.  Let’s see how training camp goes first

[richard pallo]

If we did anything with our DL I would think we would bring back Houston first. 

[shasta519]

1 hour ago, Mr. Too Proud said:

Let's get crazy

Trade Jack Doyle (4.35 million) to Cowboys for 6th and package both picks for Jones. This is far fetched and closer to a NBA deal but this benefit all three teams. Cowboys need a TE, Doyle can replace what they have been missing since Jason Witten left. We also put Doyle in a good spot to contend and make deep playoff run. The Cardinals save cap money picking up two draft picks and can sign a few free agents with that new found money (Justin Houston, Garon Conley, Mitchell Schwartz). We can get a great edge rusher and fill in the TE role with a free agent.

Sign Delanie Walker or bring back Trey Burton.

 

This is far fetched but works as well.

Doyle Trade makes space for Jones.

 

Dallas 6th(traded Doyle) and Colts 6th

For

Chandler Jones (pick up Delanie Walker or Trey Burton to fill TE role)

 

 

Very far-fetched. The difference between Chandler Jones and Jack Doyle is a 6th round pick?

 

Also, DAL has Blake Jarwin (who they gave a second contract to) and Dalton Schultz (who put up 600+ yards last season)...they don't need Doyle.

 

I think I read that ARI told him no about wanting a trade, so I assume he's not getting traded.

 

 

[shasta519]

47 minutes ago, AddaiStillTruckedYou said:

No sir, no money, just invested our two first picks for the position he already plays, and frankly put, no room on our D-line.  I think the D-line is the least of our concern at the moment.  Let’s see how training camp goes first

 

I think there is definitely room for a guy who can give them 13+ sacks next year (which Jones has done for the previous three seasons). And Jones is only on a one-year deal, so it's not a huge commitment.

 

If an extension is part of the trade, no thanks to that. But rent Jones for one season to help create a dominant DL, I am intrigued.

[Four2itus]

We're.......... almost.......................there.............................................

[Myles]

I'd be fine for bringing him in for the one year.  I doubt it would happen.   Has Arizona put out feelers?

[TaylorStillTruckedYou]

1 hour ago, shasta519 said:

 

I think there is definitely room for a guy who can give them 13+ sacks next year (which Jones has done for the previous three seasons). And Jones is only on a one-year deal, so it's not a huge commitment.

 

If an extension is part of the trade, no thanks to that. But rent Jones for one season to help create a dominant DL, I am intrigued.

I see where you’re going with your thought process.  To me though, that is a situation where our team would need to be a sure fire choice to be in the Super Bowl contention.  Now I think we have a chance to make the Super Bowl, but I don’t think we are a sure fire team to make the conference and the Super Bowl.  That’s the difference here, there’s no reason to take playing time away from developing talent, for a player who would literally bring no value after this year, because we wouldn’t be able to resign a top tier pass rusher with where we are in the cap at the moment.  That’s why we drafted two two have on a rookie deal

[Smonroe]

2 hours ago, richard pallo said:

If we did anything with our DL I would think we would bring back Houston first. 

Distinct possibility.   He’s a great teammate and could be a mentor to our first two draft picks.  

[cdgacoltsfan]

3 hours ago, Mr. Too Proud said:

Chandler Jones 15 million dollars 1 year. What is his value? Jones is 31 years old and missed the majority of last year. Similar situation is Melvin Ingram who is 32 years old and also missed the majority of last year. He just signed a 1 year 4 million dollar deal (1.075 million base salary) with voidable years. I think Jones is worth a 4th or 5th round pick, we have to hope playing next to Buckner and Grover he catches on fire and signs a lucrative deal when the cap rises next year.

 

https://youtu.be/HKD45FDefL4

 

Possible Fit

Remember Justin Houston was a 3-4 OLB that was able to adapt to our system. Jones played in a multiple defense while playing for Patriots and has experience in various roles.

 

Possible contract comps for next year

Melvin Ingram (age 32) 1 year 4 million

Jadeveon Clowney (age 28) 1 year 10 million

Bud Dupree (age 28) 5 years 82 million

 

All three players miss time last year due to injuries as well as being at least 28 years old. I personally believe that Jones will fall between Clowney and Dupree making 12 to 15 million a year next contract. The reason I'm bringing up next year is because of the possible comp pick.

 

https://youtu.be/rCOwwcsUJrg

 

Chandler Jones

2019 stats

15 games

19 sacks

11 TFL

26 QB hits

53 combined tackles

8 FF

5 pass deflections

49 pressures

 

If healthy he truly can be a force against the AFC South Left Tackles.

 

Taylor Lewan -recovering from torn ACL

 

Cam Robinson - in his four years in the NFL, Robinson ranks dead last among qualifying left tackles in PFF grade (56.2).

 

Laremy Tunsil- probably the best tackle in the division but he is still susceptible to penalties.

 

 

 

 

3 options

 

Ripping the Band-Aid off

Mark Glowinski (5,650,000) 1 year

 

Trading Glowinski would rip the Band-Aid off the offense line. He is in contract year and unlikely to return leaving for greener pastures next Off-season. We have Pinter and Tevi, both similar size as Glowinski. I know trading a key piece of our offensive line sounds crazy but Glowinski is likely to leave so why not trade a year early and give the reps to someone else. Plus it's highly probably that Jones will give us a higher comp pick than Glowinski.

 

Glowinski and 6th round

For

Chandler Jones

 

Let's get crazy

Trade Jack Doyle (4.35 million) to Cowboys for 6th and package both picks for Jones. This is far fetched and closer to a NBA deal but this benefit all three teams. Cowboys need a TE, Doyle can replace what they have been missing since Jason Witten left. We also put Doyle in a good spot to contend and make deep playoff run. The Cardinals save cap money picking up two draft picks and can sign a few free agents with that new found money (Justin Houston, Garon Conley, Mitchell Schwartz). We can get a great edge rusher and fill in the TE role with a free agent.

Sign Delanie Walker or bring back Trey Burton.

 

This is far fetched but works as well.

Doyle Trade makes space for Jones.

 

Dallas 6th(traded Doyle) and Colts 6th

For

Chandler Jones (pick up Delanie Walker or Trey Burton to fill TE role)

 

 

Kicking can down the road

Ryan Kelly is only making 3.5 million in 22. We could restructure his contract Giving him more money in 22. Let's turn 8 million of his 10 million owed to him into signing bonus for this year. This gives us flexibility to pick up free agents if anyone gets injured and enough money to sign Jones. Some may disapprove but let's be honest what else are we going to do with the salary cap money next year.

 

Trade 5th round for Jones

 

 

Any Thoughts?

 

I think Jones would be a great addition to the team. He would make it hard to evaluate a few players but his experience could help the edge room out. Bringing him in especially after asking for a trade seems unlikely but we did end up with Wentz. I'm sure you all have better scenarios than above or it maybe cheaper to bring back Justin Houston or sign Olivier Vernon from free agency. Does trading for Jones move the needle? Does this increase our chances of winning a Superbowl and does 1 year 15 million dollars hurt anything in our future?

 

No

[Yoshinator]

1 minute ago, Smonroe said:

Distinct possibility.   He’s a great teammate and could be a mentor to our first two draft picks.  

I wouldn't mind getting Houston back for a year as long as he had no guaranteed money and we could release him at any time without a penalty. Keep him for the entirety of training camp to mentor the young D-Lineman, and if at the end of training camp and preseason someone like a Banogu isn't good enough to make the team, you can keep Houston instead. If everyone shows promise, release Houston before the season starts for nothing and he'll have provided that insurance in case someone didn't work out, and he provided some veteran leadership for a month.

 

Win/Win.

[NewColtsFan]

4 hours ago, Jared Cisneros said:

I wouldn't mind getting Houston back for a year as long as he had no guaranteed money and we could release him at any time without a penalty. Keep him for the entirety of training camp to mentor the young D-Lineman, and if at the end of training camp and preseason someone like a Banogu isn't good enough to make the team, you can keep Houston instead. If everyone shows promise, release Houston before the season starts for nothing and he'll have provided that insurance in case someone didn't work out, and he provided some veteran leadership for a month.

 

Win/Win.

You think Justin Houston is going to sign a deal like that?    That’s a complete and total loss for Houston and his agent.   They’d never do a deal like that.   It’s only good for the Colts. 

[ColtJax]

The Cards would want more than a 1st round pick for him, a lot more. We have young guns, they just need to fire and stay healthy.

[DynaMike]

I'd pass.

[OhioColt]

Think I am a little confused on what position @Mr. Too Proud you possibly think Chandler would play for the Colts.  You mentioned Houston so am thinking your looking for help with our RDE positional group.  If so keep looking at the back-end of this season and might have a pick of either Eagles RDE Josh Sweat or Derek Barnett.  The other two early favorites am keeping tabs on this season are Cowboys' Dorance Armstrong and Seahawks' Rasheem Green.  As for Chandler that's an easy pass.