Peyton Is Getting Healthier

[oldunclemark]

First of all, I have heard quite the opposite on the march 8th deadline. I keep hearing they can not push the date back due to CBA rules.

Secondly, Of course Manning is saying he wants to stay here. He is the ultimate "say the right thing" guy. IMO, if he actually does want to remain a Colt, it is because he is really scared of change or he has flat out lost his mind. The Colts are in rebuild mode, no matter how many want to be in denial about that, it is absolutely happening. I really think Manning is just saying the right things for the fans and in all reality, he'll want to move on.

He wants out or else he's a coward who has lost his mind...

wow......limited options there..

[MR. Blueblood]

Only two reasons I can think of why we haven't heard from Manning, or seen a video of throwing... One, maybe he is not trying to undermind Irsay.... I mean he talked with media, and it turned out bad.... Maybe he is just staying quiet to let Irsay make his decision, if the decision is against Manning being a Colt then I am sure the videos will pour in.... Second reason he isn't ready to show yet... Now I don't think he is noodle arm, or he probably would be looking a lot more towards retirement, but I bet as a perfectionist he is just not happy with his own personal self... Doesn't mean he isn't close just the perfectionist in him isn't wanting to show.

I can see where you're coming from. As far as Irsay goes IMO he's already said it's up to Manning, so I don't think Manning is waiting on Irsay to make the decision because it's up to Manning if he wants to restructure his contract to stay here. I don't think he'll be opposed to that though. As far as the perfectionist goes I'm sure you're right. He knows better than anybody when that might be. If he can even throw at 80-90% he'll have teams lining up for his services, personally, I think it's in his best interest to show that he can.

[The Fish]

So is there some actual information in this thread about Peyton, or is it still hear-say?

[jedi.creech]

I can see where you're coming from. As far as Irsay goes IMO he's already said it's up to Manning, so I don't think Manning is waiting on Irsay to make the decision because it's up to Manning if he wants to restructure his contract to stay here. I don't think he'll be opposed to that though. As far as the perfectionist goes I'm sure you're right. He knows better than anybody when that might be. If he can even throw at 80-90% he'll have teams lining up for his services, personally, I think it's in his best interest to show that he can.

Yeah Irsay said it's on Manning to re-work contract.... Maybe I am wrong, but doesn't Irsay work up the contract, and Manning agrees to it or not? Or does Manning write contract, and Irsay agrees or not sorry I just don't know

[oldunclemark]

You telling me I am missing any point is solid gold.

Manning most certainly does not want to stay at all costs. That is really not a very good statement at all. His "posse" will be broken up. You are crazy to think otherwise. The players that have given this team its identity are ancient by NFL standards. It is time to say thank you and move on from several of those. Plus that makes the most fiscal sense.

Do you honestly believe that a Manning led Colts team is truly more likely to get to the playoffs over the other teams you mentioned?

OK - say he does throw for 5000 yards next year. Why does he go through the same nonsense next year? He very clearly would not.

I think you are getting your hopes up with some really questionable logic.

Like Mr Reagan used to say.. 'Well!"'

"there you go again' 'J'

Predicting the future.......his posse 'will be' broken up.... I'm not so sure

And I respectufully suggest (if it pleases the court) than Indy has a far better chance to make the playoffs in 2012 with Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck at QB

..than Minnesota does in their division or Washington does or Miami does......in their division

.Think about it....do you really want to take the other side in that debate?

[Balzer40]

He wants out or else he's a coward who has lost his mind...

wow......limited options there..

A very simplistic breakdown, but yes, Absolutely. I think there are many people here that have put Manning so high up on a pedestal that they actually believe he can part the sea and heal th sick. They hang on his every word and believe that he is not capable of ^cowpatties^'ing. I don't see any reason what so ever why Manning would want to stay here if in fact, he is even remotely close to being healthy. It don't make sense for him and it sure don't make sense for the Colts.

[MR. Blueblood]

there's more options than that...

Irsay doesnt have to pay the $28 mil and he doenst have to make make Manning a free agent...

they can push back the very arbitrary March 8 deadline until next (NFL) year and restructure the contract..

Manning repeatedly says he doesn't want to leave.

Other people keep saying he should want to and I can only refer back to what he said.

If both sides have the intentions of staying together by restructuring the contract then the need to move the date is a moot point. It's only semantics by doing so. He could be released and resigned easier than moving the date back (don't have to file any paperwork or involve the NFLPA). Both sides can come out and say we are working out a deal to keep Peyton a member of the Colts so please don't go crazy when we don't pay the $28million on March 8. As soon as the league year starts we will get this done.

[MR. Blueblood]

Yeah Irsay said it's on Manning to re-work contract.... Maybe I am wrong, but doesn't Irsay work up the contract, and Manning agrees to it or not? Or does Manning write contract, and Irsay agrees or not sorry I just don't know

I'm sure it would involve Irsay and Condon at the very least if not throwing in Manning and Grigson too. I'm sure each side have what would be an acceptable amount of money/length of contract and then it becomes an issue of finding the middle ground. I guess Irsay could work something up and give Manning a take it or leave it speech.

[oldunclemark]

So is there some actual information in this thread about Peyton, or is it still hear-say?

Pretty much, HEAR-SAY fish...

We hear what we hear and then we say what we say. same old.

[UndecidedFrog]

Pretty much, HEAR-SAY fish...

We hear what we hear and then we say what we say. same old.

Don't forget there is also conjecture.

[jedi.creech]

I'm sure it would involve Irsay and Condon at the very least if not throwing in Manning and Grigson too. I'm sure each side have what would be an acceptable amount of money/length of contract and then it becomes an issue of finding the middle ground. I guess Irsay could work something up and give Manning a take it or leave it speech.

So, kind of still what I was saying Manning laying low till the decision... Just cause Irsay says re-working contract he'll stay doesn't mean it's Mannings next move, he has to get the idea of what terms Irsay is wanting him... If it's a baby sitting job Manning is a QB, not a 12 year old girl who's trying to baby sit to earn her bubble gum money. I still stand on it's in Irsay court to offer him something, and see if that's what he wants. So Irsay to make decision

[oldunclemark]

Don't forget there is also conjecture.

:yes:

very true

[DILLIGAFER]

He didn't take exception to being called an eternal optimist so why are you defending him? I wasn't even addressing you or your perceptions. But since you took the time to interject I will respond to you. Manning remaining with the Colts is being optimistic since Irsay isn't paying the option bonus thus making him a Free Agent and opens the door for him to go elsewhere. I know that both sides have said the want the other but until both sides PROVE they want the other you can't always believe what you hear. The realist in me won't breathe a sigh of relief until I see the press conference between Irsay and Manning saying that a new contract is done and he will be staying here. That is something tangible, something of substance and not just words or promises. It's something that is real, something that I can believe in. Understand the difference?

Once again, totally missed the point. I was using him as an example. And why would i need to stick up for him?

I was responding to YOU in your assesment of what people perceive. You say optimist and call yourself a realist. I say its pure

perception. Do you see the difference? Realist vs optimist has no value here because everything is still up in the air.

10 people see a bank robbery, what did the suspect look like? I guarentee you will get 10 different perspectives. Which ones right? Unless there was vidoe, your gonna chase 10 different looks of people.

I perceive based on things that are simi substantial that Manning will stay, take a pay cut, try and play, and draft luck. My perception. Ignore tags like optimist or realist. People saying Mannings gone to me, are then optimists not realists. Perception.

[jskinnz]

Like Mr Reagan used to say.. 'Well!"'

"there you go again' 'J'

Predicting the future.......his posse 'will be' broken up.... I'm not so sure

And I respectufully suggest (if it pleases the court) than Indy has a far better chance to make the playoffs in 2012 with Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck at QB

..than Minnesota does in their division or Washington does or Miami does......in their division

.Think about it....do you really want to take the other side in that debate?

The "posse" will be broken up as it righfully should be. Too many old guys. Too many expensive guys. Football 101 - the gang, this gang, will not all be back together. To think otherwise is pure folly.

As for the Colts roster, well you know what I believe about many of the old vets not returning. So that leaves an unproven collection of middle of the road, at best, talent. The roster lacks all over and an infusion of talented playmakers is needed all over. So it is absolutely not unreasonable to think that there are more talented rosters with the teams you mentioned.

[chrisfarley]

There is little chance Peyton is anywhere close to being NFL ready for whatever other NFL signs him. Our QB Andrew Luck will be 100% Healthy and under center for all 16 games.

agreed. peyton's nerve regeneration is no where near 100 percent or 80 for that matter.

[Coffeedrinker]

Another one of these times when

Posititve media reports equal True

Negative media reports equal made up lies....

No, it's more like

Reports where the person has seen, with his own eyes equal true.

Reports that cite unnamed sources or hearsay reports equal made up lies

[jedi.creech]

agreed. peyton's nerve regeneration is no where near 100 percent or 80 for that matter.

Nice to meet you Manning's doctor thanks for stopping by to say hello.

[DarkHorseColts]

Don't forget there is also conjecture.

Oooh, conjecture! Reminds me of the opening to the old 'In Search Of' TV series.

"The following program is based in part on theory & conjecture".

[MR. Blueblood]

Once again, totally missed the point. I was using him as an example. And why would i need to stick up for him?

I was responding to YOU in your assesment of what people perceive. You say optimist and call yourself a realist. I say its pure

perception. Do you see the difference? Realist vs optimist has no value here because everything is still up in the air.

10 people see a bank robbery, what did the suspect look like? I guarentee you will get 10 different perspectives. Which ones right? Unless there was vidoe, your gonna chase 10 different looks of people.

I perceive based on things that are simi substantial that Manning will stay, take a pay cut, try and play, and draft luck. My perception. Ignore tags like optimist or realist. People saying Mannings gone to me, are then optimists not realists. Perception.

re·al·ist

   [ree-uh-list]

noun

1.

a person who tends to view or represent things as they really are.

Because Manning hasn't shown that he can make the throws necessary to be considered the Manning of old, I therefore, view that as that he is currently unable. Because others (media, sources, etc) hasn't shown that Manning can't make the throws necessary, I therefore, view that he can't be considered to have a "noodle arm".

Because Irsay and Manning have talked about him returning as a Colt but have yet to actually put together a contract that will keep him here, I view that as just talk. When there is a contract that proves that Manning will return then I will view that as both men lived up to their words.

Both of those scenarios are views or representations of the way things really are. Thus making me a realist.

op·ti·mist

   [op-tuh-mist]

noun

1. a person disposed to take a favorable view of events or conditions and to expect the most favorable outcome.

Because coltsagent has chosen to believe unnamed sources that Manning is throwing good without actual evidence that he is, he, therefore, are viewing it as favorable news that is going to provide him with a favorable outcome ie Manning returning to form.

Because coltsagent has chosen to believe that Irsay and Manning saying they want to keep this relationship moving forward without an actual contract in place to prove it, he, therefore, is viewing it as favorable news that is going to provide him with a favorable outcome ie Manning will be a Colt next season.

Both of these scenarios are views of the way coltsagent hopes they turn out, thus making him an optimist.

If you choose to perceive these scenarios as anything other than fitting the definitions provided for you then I don't know what to tell you. To me, these scenarios fit the definitions perfectly.

[DILLIGAFER]

re·al·ist

   [ree-uh-list]

noun

1.

a person who tends to view or represent things as they really are.

Because Manning hasn't shown that he can make the throws necessary to be considered the Manning of old, I therefore, view that as that he is currently unable. Because others (media, sources, etc) hasn't shown that Manning can't make the throws necessary, I therefore, view that he can't be considered to have a "noodle arm".

Because Irsay and Manning have talked about him returning as a Colt but have yet to actually put together a contract that will keep him here, I view that as just talk. When there is a contract that proves that Manning will return then I will view that as both men lived up to their words.

Both of those scenarios are views or representations of the way things really are. Thus making me a realist.

op·ti·mist

   [op-tuh-mist]

noun

1. a person disposed to take a favorable view of events or conditions and to expect the most favorable outcome.

Because coltsagent has chosen to believe unnamed sources that Manning is throwing good without actual evidence that he is, he, therefore, are viewing it as favorable news that is going to provide him with a favorable outcome ie Manning returning to form.

Because coltsagent has chosen to believe that Irsay and Manning saying they want to keep this relationship moving forward without an actual contract in place to prove it, he, therefore, is viewing it as favorable news that is going to provide him with a favorable outcome ie Manning will be a Colt next season.

Both of these scenarios are views of the way coltsagent hopes they turn out, thus making him an optimist.

If you choose to perceive these scenarios as anything other than fitting the definitions provided for you then I don't know what to tell you. To me, these scenarios fit the definitions perfectly.

Lets try this..

o·pin·ion

  <a onmousedown="spk(this,{lk:'nx1fkx',en:'wotdau',io:'0',b:'wotd',tp:'lrl',m:'wotdau'})" href="#"></a><a target="_blank" href="http://dictionary.reference.com/audio.html/lunaWAV/O01/O0129600"><img border="0" src="http://sp.dictionary.com/dictstatic/g/d/speaker.gif"></a> /əˈpɪnyən/ Show Spelled[uh-pin-yuhn] Show IPA

noun

1.

a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.

2.

a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.

3.

the formal expression of a professional judgment: to ask for a second medical opinion.

4.

Law . the formal statement by a judge or court of the reasoning and the principles of law used in reaching a decision of a case.

5.

a judgment or estimate of a person or thing with respect to character, merit, etc.: to forfeit someone's good opinion.

Ok.. got that, now this,

The Definition Of Perception

What Is Perception And How Does It Occur?

What is the definition of perception? Think of it as the process of becoming aware of the world around you through your senses.

Your senses play a critical role in perception and behavior. They not only allow you to perceive your environment, they also enable you to act in response to it.

Sensation and perception psychology is one of the oldest fields of study in social psychology. Below I'm going to take you through the process we go through to become aware of anything in our environments.

The Definition Of Perception: The Sensing Process

Perception happens in one of five ways:

• You see something with your eyes
  
• Smell something with your nose
  
• Hear something with your ears
  
• Feel something with your skin
  
• Taste something on your tongue
  

Because there is an overabundance of stimulation hitting your senses in every moment, most sensations will be filtered out. This is why only a fraction of your surrounding environment will ever reach your conscious awareness.

What Is Perception: Integration

What is filtered in versus filtered out depends on where you put your attention. Whatever stimulus you focus on becomes the "attended stimuli."

Initially the attended stimuli are turned into images on the retina and then they are transformed into electrical signals that are sent through the brain.

The Definition Of Perception: Analysis

At this stage, you become consciously aware of the environmental stimuli and you begin to analyze and interpret the perceived objects in order to give them meaning and context.

How you analyze what you perceive will be greatly influenced by many factors including your past experiences, feelings, imagination, values, memories, beliefs and your cultural setting.

Because the content and degree of these influences will be different for everyone, the same object or event can be perceived very differently by different people. This is why perception is not reality.

The Definition Of Perception: Reaction

Perception leads to decision making and action taking. At the most basic level, the decision is to act or not to act and this depends on how you develop motivation. With every action there is always a set of alternatives from which to choose, even though oftentimes it might seem as if there are no alternatives.

The meaning you give to a stimulus you perceive will fundamentally shape the choices and actions you take in response to it.

For example, if you walk outside and your skin receptors tell you it's cold, your decision will likely be to run inside and grab a sweater. The next person could decide the cold crisp air is rejuvenating and they'll choose to go without a sweater.

Perception And Behavior: Decision Making

How you make decisions is based on the human instinct of self preservation. We're all, always trying to maximize our chances of survival and preserve ourselves. This is a common motivation among all human beings.

While we all share the same motivation, that's where the similarity ends. We're we differ greatly (and where we each express our individuality) is in the choices we make and the actions we take to achieve self preservation.

If you cannot understand the meaning of those, I would get a refund on my education.

If you wish to Opine, feel free, but understand if possible you will not sway my perception or opinion into what you call facts. The analysis is a double edged sword and will cut either way. Negative spin or postitive spin. It all depends on how you, and here it is once again, Perceive it to be.

So when ESPN spins a negative with 'sources', the easter bunny for all we know, we should take it as fact? But when the Man's own father says something, it is not true? Double edged again. Who do we believe? You? Me? ESPN? Archie? Irsay's rants?

Odd thing is, we havent heard from Manning.. hum. Perhaps all facts will be made clear when he speaks. Till then, Perceive as you must, as will everyone else, but do not push you perception as fact onto me or anyone else and expect us just to roll over and take your word. I have stated anything as more real than the other, just an opinion on my perception.

As far as I am concerned March 8th cannot come soon enough and a statement from Manning, his agent, and Irsay all stating the same thing either he is or isn't can't come soon enough.

[BleedingBlue]

really...is this where this thread has gone?

[DILLIGAFER]

really...is this where this thread has gone?

yes, it has. or would you rather we act like Neaderthals and bash one another with clubs? I thought this forum was open to discussions on what we would like to discuss. I must be mistaken.

[BleedingBlue]

Actually I predicted the dispute would be over the definition of 100% (on page 1).

I would rather it had stayed on Bert Jones (page 2) instead of a Dictionary (page 3).

Ya'll should know not to take me too seriously.

[braveheartcolt]

It is my opinion that this thread could be perceived to be real, therefore I'm optimistic it will be closed by the mods. Soon.

[MR. Blueblood]

Lets try this..

o·pin·ion

  <a onmousedown="spk(this,{lk:'nx1fkx',en:'wotdau',io:'0',b:'wotd',tp:'lrl',m:'wotdau'})" href="#"></a><a target="_blank" href="http://dictionary.reference.com/audio.html/lunaWAV/O01/O0129600"><img border="0" src="http://sp.dictionary.com/dictstatic/g/d/speaker.gif"></a> /əˈpɪnyən/ Show IPA

noun

1.

a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.

2.

a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.

3.

the formal expression of a professional judgment: to ask for a second medical opinion.

4.

Law . the formal statement by a judge or court of the reasoning and the principles of law used in reaching a decision of a case.

5.

a judgment or estimate of a person or thing with respect to character, merit, etc.: to forfeit someone's good opinion.

Ok.. got that, now this,

The Definition Of Perception

What Is Perception And How Does It Occur?

What is the definition of perception? Think of it as the process of becoming aware of the world around you through your senses.

Your senses play a critical role in perception and behavior. They not only allow you to perceive your environment, they also enable you to act in response to it.

Sensation and perception psychology is one of the oldest fields of study in social psychology. Below I'm going to take you through the process we go through to become aware of anything in our environments.

The Definition Of Perception: The Sensing Process

Perception happens in one of five ways:

• You see something with your eyes
  
• Smell something with your nose
  
• Hear something with your ears
  
• Feel something with your skin
  
• Taste something on your tongue
  

Because there is an overabundance of stimulation hitting your senses in every moment, most sensations will be filtered out. This is why only a fraction of your surrounding environment will ever reach your conscious awareness.

What Is Perception: Integration

What is filtered in versus filtered out depends on where you put your attention. Whatever stimulus you focus on becomes the "attended stimuli."

Initially the attended stimuli are turned into images on the retina and then they are transformed into electrical signals that are sent through the brain.

The Definition Of Perception: Analysis

At this stage, you become consciously aware of the environmental stimuli and you begin to analyze and interpret the perceived objects in order to give them meaning and context.

How you analyze what you perceive will be greatly influenced by many factors including your past experiences, feelings, imagination, values, memories, beliefs and your cultural setting.

Because the content and degree of these influences will be different for everyone, the same object or event can be perceived very differently by different people. This is why perception is not reality.

The Definition Of Perception: Reaction

Perception leads to decision making and action taking. At the most basic level, the decision is to act or not to act and this depends on how you develop motivation. With every action there is always a set of alternatives from which to choose, even though oftentimes it might seem as if there are no alternatives.

The meaning you give to a stimulus you perceive will fundamentally shape the choices and actions you take in response to it.

For example, if you walk outside and your skin receptors tell you it's cold, your decision will likely be to run inside and grab a sweater. The next person could decide the cold crisp air is rejuvenating and they'll choose to go without a sweater.

Perception And Behavior: Decision Making

How you make decisions is based on the human instinct of self preservation. We're all, always trying to maximize our chances of survival and preserve ourselves. This is a common motivation among all human beings.

While we all share the same motivation, that's where the similarity ends. We're we differ greatly (and where we each express our individuality) is in the choices we make and the actions we take to achieve self preservation.

If you cannot understand the meaning of those, I would get a refund on my education.

If you wish to Opine, feel free, but understand if possible you will not sway my perception or opinion into what you call facts. The analysis is a double edged sword and will cut either way. Negative spin or postitive spin. It all depends on how you, and here it is once again, Perceive it to be.

So when ESPN spins a negative with 'sources', the easter bunny for all we know, we should take it as fact? But when the Man's own father says something, it is not true? Double edged again. Who do we believe? You? Me? ESPN? Archie? Irsay's rants?

Odd thing is, we havent heard from Manning.. hum. Perhaps all facts will be made clear when he speaks. Till then, Perceive as you must, as will everyone else, but do not push you perception as fact onto me or anyone else and expect us just to roll over and take your word. I have stated anything as more real than the other, just an opinion on my perception.

As far as I am concerned March 8th cannot come soon enough and a statement from Manning, his agent, and Irsay all stating the same thing either he is or isn't can't come soon enough.

It's not my opinion or perception that Manning is somewhere between "noodle arm" and 100%, that is truth

It's not my opinion or perception that Irsay and Manning are somewhere between talk and contract, that is truth

It's not my opinion or perception of how coltsagent thinks, it's his own words.

I do appreciate the effort you've given to try to dig yourself out of the hole I have perceived you to be in, it's with my humble opinion that you aren't going to see my side and I won't see your perception of my side.

[BmoreColt]

It is my opinion that this thread could be perceived to be real, therefore I'm optimistic it will be closed by the mods. Soon.

Why is Peyton getting healthier not "real?"

[braveheartcolt]

Why is Peyton getting healthier not "real?"

I think you may have misunderstood my post.

[bayone]

I saw Unitas after his prime but Bert was incredible! No Offensive line and injuries derailed his career....darn shame as the man was the best QB I ever saw.

Unitas in his prime was awesome

This is copy & paste so various type

UNITAS should forever be in that conversation Re the greatest

, He was unique esp for his time & could make every throw imaginable as well as all the film study back then

2 NFL Championships before the superbowl & 1 superbowl,

developed the 2 minute offense in greatest game ever on the fly on last drive

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Unitas story,

have this on my computer as been asked before

I wish i had time to tell u all as grew up with him playing and his rookie card was in my 1st pack of football cards bought

he did all the film study as Peyton , did it with Ray berry

just 1 thing

BEST EXAMPLE THAT COMES TO MIND WAS IN GREATEST GAME EVER PLAYED

as far as his skill set & playing in a era of running the ball in the greatest game ever he put the NFL on the national stage for the ist time with the first ever 2 minute drill to tie the game and going for the TD in OT instead of basically an extra point distance FG

Unitas was one of the smartest players football wise to ever play. Unitas called the offense to and adjusted based on the defense

even when Unitas coaches said above all dont do this he still did what he wanted anyway & usually worked. He would study for hours on end with ray berry and they had the Manning Harrison Communication with a look

'That 58 game champ game on the first ever 2 minute drive to tie , Well in that final tying drive's start there was a defense they never saw before on the playing field designed to take away the sideline throw to berry to the outside & letting him get out of bounds after a catch using 2 defenders & keeping the clock going as Giants Knew with little time a sideline pass would be done

way before this they saw that same defense in film that is after studying tons of film, & not on the Giants but in general and said if we ever see this lets do this

Well they each looked at each other and wondered if the other remembered what they discussed one time in the past

, the play started, and instead of going to the outside Berry cut across the middle of the field where when he turned to look the ball was there right in his hands , Berry in full stride and the same on the nexrt few plays & they marched down the field to tie

Remember for the win he could of called a FG, and called a run & got a TD in first ever OT game , not just OT in championship

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In the book Johnny Unitas Americas QB, 2 forwards 1 by teamate Art Donovan & 1 by Peyton

peyton said

You hear aabout players from other eras, & some wonder if thgey would be as good today. Well let me tell u, there's no wondering about Johnny Unitas. He was a superstar then. He would be a superstar today. The NFL should name an award after him for all that hes meant. He put the NFL on the map.

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Coaches often said whatever u do dont do this, Unitas would do it anyway based on what he saw and it worked

he was an earlier version of Peyton smarts way ahead of his time

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there was 1 game he was mauled but legal then, he stood up , blood flowing from his nose & I think was Mackey but not sure who stuffed mud up his nose to slow it but while still bleeding and blood flowing down face he didnt miss a down and led the team downfield to score. So when u were out of a game back then u really were hurt

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Unitas dumped after draft Picked in 9th round, many rounds back then , actualy that was pick # 102 overall in 55 , Steelers evaluated their pick and dumped him, colts picked him up in 56 after he was playing in sandlot games for $ 6 a game, and seen by Colt CM who sent a postcard to invite unitas ti try out , Colt players lauighed when 1st saw skiny kid with a bad right shoulder

Now why did he even get to play

Colts had # 1 draft choice in 55 & picked a QB George Shaw, ( BTW also got ameche in that draft )

Colts likeed Shaw and was building a team with Shaw designed as the leader , but he got hurt, Unitas came in , all were stunned & Shaw never again was the starter, Thats Sandlot Vs # 1 drafdt pick

The skinny kid unitas was picked up just for a backup and nothing expected of him,

OF NOTE

Unitas 1st pass IT pick 6 , 2nd play fumbled handoff , then all turned around and thuss became the golden arm

Thats all , Have to go

[DILLIGAFER]

It's not my opinion or perception that Manning is somewhere between "noodle arm" and 100%, that is truth

It's not my opinion or perception that Irsay and Manning are somewhere between talk and contract, that is truth

It's not my opinion or perception of how coltsagent thinks, it's his own words.

I do appreciate the effort you've given to try to dig yourself out of the hole I have perceived you to be in, it's with my humble opinion that you aren't going to see my side and I won't see your perception of my side.

Ok Kravits.. "noodle arm" you realize he took that statement back dont you? Another false statement.

[MR. Blueblood]

Ok Kravits.. "noodle arm" you realize he took that statement back dont you? Another false statement.

I do realize that he took that back, that was just a reference point. I guess I could use any one of the other "sources" that say he can't throw against his body, to the left, etc etc etc. But seeing as how I choose to look at things how they really are I should just say less than 100%. You can give your opinion of where the starting point is if you'd like.

[chrisfarley]

Nice to meet you Manning's doctor thanks for stopping by to say hello.

my pleasure, anything else I can do for you,,,, no wait, don't answer that !!!! ---- I said don't answer that.

[WoolMagnet]

Yeah Irsay said it's on Manning to re-work contract.... Maybe I am wrong, but doesn't Irsay work up the contract, and Manning agrees to it or not? Or does Manning write contract, and Irsay agrees or not sorry I just don't know

Come on jedi, you know the score.

Its up to manning because we won't pay the 28 million.

Therefore he goes to free agency and ..........

SURPRISE! .... Its up to manning!

Why is this so difficult to understand?

[WoolMagnet]

Lets try this..

o·pin·ion

  <a onmousedown="spk(this,{lk:'nx1fkx',en:'wotdau',io:'0',b:'wotd',tp:'lrl',m:'wotdau'})" href="#"></a><a target="_blank" href="http://dictionary.reference.com/audio.html/lunaWAV/O01/O0129600"><img border="0" src="http://sp.dictionary.com/dictstatic/g/d/speaker.gif"></a> /əˈpɪnyən/ Show IPA

noun

1.

a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.

2.

a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.

3.

the formal expression of a professional judgment: to ask for a second medical opinion.

4.

Law . the formal statement by a judge or court of the reasoning and the principles of law used in reaching a decision of a case.

5.

a judgment or estimate of a person or thing with respect to character, merit, etc.: to forfeit someone's good opinion.

Ok.. got that, now this,

The Definition Of Perception

What Is Perception And How Does It Occur?

What is the definition of perception? Think of it as the process of becoming aware of the world around you through your senses.

Your senses play a critical role in perception and behavior. They not only allow you to perceive your environment, they also enable you to act in response to it.

Sensation and perception psychology is one of the oldest fields of study in social psychology. Below I'm going to take you through the process we go through to become aware of anything in our environments.

The Definition Of Perception: The Sensing Process

Perception happens in one of five ways:

• You see something with your eyes
  
• Smell something with your nose
  
• Hear something with your ears
  
• Feel something with your skin
  
• Taste something on your tongue
  

Because there is an overabundance of stimulation hitting your senses in every moment, most sensations will be filtered out. This is why only a fraction of your surrounding environment will ever reach your conscious awareness.

What Is Perception: Integration

What is filtered in versus filtered out depends on where you put your attention. Whatever stimulus you focus on becomes the "attended stimuli."

Initially the attended stimuli are turned into images on the retina and then they are transformed into electrical signals that are sent through the brain.

The Definition Of Perception: Analysis

At this stage, you become consciously aware of the environmental stimuli and you begin to analyze and interpret the perceived objects in order to give them meaning and context.

How you analyze what you perceive will be greatly influenced by many factors including your past experiences, feelings, imagination, values, memories, beliefs and your cultural setting.

Because the content and degree of these influences will be different for everyone, the same object or event can be perceived very differently by different people. This is why perception is not reality.

The Definition Of Perception: Reaction

Perception leads to decision making and action taking. At the most basic level, the decision is to act or not to act and this depends on how you develop motivation. With every action there is always a set of alternatives from which to choose, even though oftentimes it might seem as if there are no alternatives.

The meaning you give to a stimulus you perceive will fundamentally shape the choices and actions you take in response to it.

For example, if you walk outside and your skin receptors tell you it's cold, your decision will likely be to run inside and grab a sweater. The next person could decide the cold crisp air is rejuvenating and they'll choose to go without a sweater.

Perception And Behavior: Decision Making

How you make decisions is based on the human instinct of self preservation. We're all, always trying to maximize our chances of survival and preserve ourselves. This is a common motivation among all human beings.

While we all share the same motivation, that's where the similarity ends. We're we differ greatly (and where we each express our individuality) is in the choices we make and the actions we take to achieve self preservation.

If you cannot understand the meaning of those, I would get a refund on my education.

If you wish to Opine, feel free, but understand if possible you will not sway my perception or opinion into what you call facts. The analysis is a double edged sword and will cut either way. Negative spin or postitive spin. It all depends on how you, and here it is once again, Perceive it to be.

So when ESPN spins a negative with 'sources', the easter bunny for all we know, we should take it as fact? But when the Man's own father says something, it is not true? Double edged again. Who do we believe? You? Me? ESPN? Archie? Irsay's rants?

Odd thing is, we havent heard from Manning.. hum. Perhaps all facts will be made clear when he speaks. Till then, Perceive as you must, as will everyone else, but do not push you perception as fact onto me or anyone else and expect us just to roll over and take your word. I have stated anything as more real than the other, just an opinion on my perception.

As far as I am concerned March 8th cannot come soon enough and a statement from Manning, his agent, and Irsay all stating the same thing either he is or isn't can't come soon enough.

Thank You Mr. Webster.

[jedi.creech]

Come on jedi, you know the score.

Its up to manning because we won't pay the 28 million.

Therefore he goes to free agency and ..........

SURPRISE! .... Its up to manning!

Why is this so difficult to understand?

So.... Let me get this right... It's on Manning if Irsay says okay look, we are bringing you back for one year... okay listen we can only pay you 5 million this year... oh... and you are going to double as a teacher/baby sitter for Luck... After that one year we see where Luck is and if he just isn't where we think he will be we will give you one more year MAYBE....

Most you "LFCM" want to just put this in a business thought... well if my boss told me I need to baby sit my replacement, and they will think about keeping me as long as he isn't ready I would pull a moment straight out of the movie Half Baked.... %(& you, $(%*& you.... You're cool..... $)%() you....

[Hammer]

Unitas in his prime was awesome

This is copy & paste so various type

UNITAS should forever be in that conversation Re the greatest

, He was unique esp for his time & could make every throw imaginable as well as all the film study back then

2 NFL Championships before the superbowl & 1 superbowl,

developed the 2 minute offense in greatest game ever on the fly on last drive

---------------------------

Unitas story,

have this on my computer as been asked before

I wish i had time to tell u all as grew up with him playing and his rookie card was in my 1st pack of football cards bought

he did all the film study as Peyton , did it with Ray berry

just 1 thing

BEST EXAMPLE THAT COMES TO MIND WAS IN GREATEST GAME EVER PLAYED

as far as his skill set & playing in a era of running the ball in the greatest game ever he put the NFL on the national stage for the ist time with the first ever 2 minute drill to tie the game and going for the TD in OT instead of basically an extra point distance FG

Unitas was one of the smartest players football wise to ever play. Unitas called the offense to and adjusted based on the defense

even when Unitas coaches said above all dont do this he still did what he wanted anyway & usually worked. He would study for hours on end with ray berry and they had the Manning Harrison Communication with a look

'That 58 game champ game on the first ever 2 minute drive to tie , Well in that final tying drive's start there was a defense they never saw before on the playing field designed to take away the sideline throw to berry to the outside & letting him get out of bounds after a catch using 2 defenders & keeping the clock going as Giants Knew with little time a sideline pass would be done

way before this they saw that same defense in film that is after studying tons of film, & not on the Giants but in general and said if we ever see this lets do this

Well they each looked at each other and wondered if the other remembered what they discussed one time in the past

, the play started, and instead of going to the outside Berry cut across the middle of the field where when he turned to look the ball was there right in his hands , Berry in full stride and the same on the nexrt few plays & they marched down the field to tie

Remember for the win he could of called a FG, and called a run & got a TD in first ever OT game , not just OT in championship

--------------------

In the book Johnny Unitas Americas QB, 2 forwards 1 by teamate Art Donovan & 1 by Peyton

peyton said

You hear aabout players from other eras, & some wonder if thgey would be as good today. Well let me tell u, there's no wondering about Johnny Unitas. He was a superstar then. He would be a superstar today. The NFL should name an award after him for all that hes meant. He put the NFL on the map.

--------------------------------

Coaches often said whatever u do dont do this, Unitas would do it anyway based on what he saw and it worked

he was an earlier version of Peyton smarts way ahead of his time

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

there was 1 game he was mauled but legal then, he stood up , blood flowing from his nose & I think was Mackey but not sure who stuffed mud up his nose to slow it but while still bleeding and blood flowing down face he didnt miss a down and led the team downfield to score. So when u were out of a game back then u really were hurt

-----

Unitas dumped after draft Picked in 9th round, many rounds back then , actualy that was pick # 102 overall in 55 , Steelers evaluated their pick and dumped him, colts picked him up in 56 after he was playing in sandlot games for $ 6 a game, and seen by Colt CM who sent a postcard to invite unitas ti try out , Colt players lauighed when 1st saw skiny kid with a bad right shoulder

Now why did he even get to play

Colts had # 1 draft choice in 55 & picked a QB George Shaw, ( BTW also got ameche in that draft )

Colts likeed Shaw and was building a team with Shaw designed as the leader , but he got hurt, Unitas came in , all were stunned & Shaw never again was the starter, Thats Sandlot Vs # 1 drafdt pick

The skinny kid unitas was picked up just for a backup and nothing expected of him,

OF NOTE

Unitas 1st pass IT pick 6 , 2nd play fumbled handoff , then all turned around and thuss became the golden arm

Thats all , Have to go

I'm assuming you believe Unitas was the greatest. I mentioned that Bert was my "favorite" all-time Colt. They were both great but I believe they both stand in the second rank behind Peyton.

[Mameluc]

im just sad about how one i could say is my hero is getting ran out of town... I was saving money for next season to finnally get to Lucas oil stadium and watch the cotls, and PM, play in front of my eyes since im in Mexico that is not a cheap trip.

I guess i will have to wait

[jedi.creech]

im just sad about how one i could say is my hero is getting ran out of town... I was saving money for next season to finnally get to Lucas oil stadium and watch the cotls, and PM, play in front of my eyes since im in Mexico that is not a cheap trip.

I guess i will have to wait

One option is AZ (though I don't personally feel he wants to be in NFC).... but if he does then he'll be closer to you... I wanted to watch him too.... Really hoping he goes to TN... I want him in AFC south so bad it hurts.

[bayone]

Unitas in his prime was awesome

This is copy & paste so various type

UNITAS should forever be in that conversation Re the greatest

, He was unique esp for his time & could make every throw imaginable as well as all the film study back then

2 NFL Championships before the superbowl & 1 superbowl,

developed the 2 minute offense in greatest game ever on the fly on last drive

---------------------------

Unitas story,

have this on my computer as been asked before

I wish i had time to tell u all as grew up with him playing and his rookie card was in my 1st pack of football cards bought

he did all the film study as Peyton , did it with Ray berry

just 1 thing

BEST EXAMPLE THAT COMES TO MIND WAS IN GREATEST GAME EVER PLAYED

as far as his skill set & playing in a era of running the ball in the greatest game ever he put the NFL on the national stage for the ist time with the first ever 2 minute drill to tie the game and going for the TD in OT instead of basically an extra point distance FG

Unitas was one of the smartest players football wise to ever play. Unitas called the offense to and adjusted based on the defense

even when Unitas coaches said above all dont do this he still did what he wanted anyway & usually worked. He would study for hours on end with ray berry and they had the Manning Harrison Communication with a look

'That 58 game champ game on the first ever 2 minute drive to tie , Well in that final tying drive's start there was a defense they never saw before on the playing field designed to take away the sideline throw to berry to the outside & letting him get out of bounds after a catch using 2 defenders & keeping the clock going as Giants Knew with little time a sideline pass would be done

way before this they saw that same defense in film that is after studying tons of film, & not on the Giants but in general and said if we ever see this lets do this

Well they each looked at each other and wondered if the other remembered what they discussed one time in the past

, the play started, and instead of going to the outside Berry cut across the middle of the field where when he turned to look the ball was there right in his hands , Berry in full stride and the same on the nexrt few plays & they marched down the field to tie

Remember for the win he could of called a FG, and called a run & got a TD in first ever OT game , not just OT in championship

--------------------

In the book Johnny Unitas Americas QB, 2 forwards 1 by teamate Art Donovan & 1 by Peyton

peyton said

You hear aabout players from other eras, & some wonder if thgey would be as good today. Well let me tell u, there's no wondering about Johnny Unitas. He was a superstar then. He would be a superstar today. The NFL should name an award after him for all that hes meant. He put the NFL on the map.

--------------------------------

Coaches often said whatever u do dont do this, Unitas would do it anyway based on what he saw and it worked

he was an earlier version of Peyton smarts way ahead of his time

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

there was 1 game he was mauled but legal then, he stood up , blood flowing from his nose & I think was Mackey but not sure who stuffed mud up his nose to slow it but while still bleeding and blood flowing down face he didnt miss a down and led the team downfield to score. So when u were out of a game back then u really were hurt

-----

Unitas dumped after draft Picked in 9th round, many rounds back then , actualy that was pick # 102 overall in 55 , Steelers evaluated their pick and dumped him, colts picked him up in 56 after he was playing in sandlot games for $ 6 a game, and seen by Colt CM who sent a postcard to invite unitas ti try out , Colt players lauighed when 1st saw skiny kid with a bad right shoulder

Now why did he even get to play

Colts had # 1 draft choice in 55 & picked a QB George Shaw, ( BTW also got ameche in that draft )

Colts likeed Shaw and was building a team with Shaw designed as the leader , but he got hurt, Unitas came in , all were stunned & Shaw never again was the starter, Thats Sandlot Vs # 1 drafdt pick

The skinny kid unitas was picked up just for a backup and nothing expected of him,

OF NOTE

Unitas 1st pass IT pick 6 , 2nd play fumbled handoff , then all turned around and thuss became the golden arm

Thats all , Have to go

I'm assuming you believe Unitas was the greatest. I mentioned that Bert was my "favorite" all-time Colt. They were both great but I believe they both stand in the second rank behind Peyton.

Never assume

I think or at least meant to say he ranks in the conversation as the greatest with other greats

Its a different time different era & boyhood idol, u really cant objectively compare and that was the ultimate decision on the last forum when this discussion was made, just no way to compare a player of his time with 1 of ours

Peyton Current Idol

& I have a tremendously hard time being objective on who is better and many memories are old but Vivid of Unitas making spectacular 70 yard TD bombs ( about 50 in the air ) to Lenny moore on the Fly out of the backfield, the pass was deep & perfect in stride and with yac a td & he did many times, not just to ray berry

as far as bert Jones, I loved him and remember reading few years back, ( when they argued over Peyton in 04 or Bradys 50 td season as the best ) well I think it was Bert's76 season but not sure that it may well be considered the best QB season ever I read in a few articles, sorry no links from them

I have to go, hope that clarifies a bit my situation & feelings and thank you for reading & responding to my post

Regards Barry

[jskinnz]

One option is AZ (though I don't personally feel he wants to be in NFC).... but if he does then he'll be closer to you... I wanted to watch him too.... Really hoping he goes to TN... I want him in AFC south so bad it hurts.

I think you are in dire need of some new & improved priorities.

[jedi.creech]

I think you are in dire need of some new & improved priorities.

Improved Priorities why? Are you afraid to go against Manning in AFC south? If so why not keep him if you're so scared to go against him... Oh that's right you will have young boy Lucky... Well isn't Lucky good enough to lead the Colts past Manning... If that's a fear why not keep Manning, why not paying him give him what he wants to stay a Colt???? Improved priorities... I was never a Colt fan unti I followed Manning from UT to the Colts... I have no connection other then Manning to the Colts... If they want to replace him for Mr. Lucky I'm following my priorites following player that I PRAY keeps the team that ran him out of town out of play offs for next 5 years.