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I'm looking at our lineup, and thinking about the positions where we're thin, or need the most immediate help, or have a lot of uncertainty. Not good.

 

Here's how I see it.

 

QB: Luck

RB:

RB2: Herron

WR1: Hilton

WR2:

WR3: Moncrief

TE1: Allen

TE2: Fleener

LT: Castonzo

LG: Mewhort

C: 

RG:

RT:

 

We have some young depth at those blanks, and potential starters at C, RG and RT. But those positions are certainly not strong for us. Reitz is probably our third best lineman, and he's a free agent, and has injury issues.

 

WR is extra thin, pending decisions from Nicks and Wayne (who weren't all that great in 2014 anyways). Carter is intriguing, but nothing to rely on yet. The RBs are slim pickings. I like Boom, but I think we can do better for a starter, or at least improve the timeshare that he'll be in. Ballard and Bradshaw are coming off injury again; Richardson is likely gone.

 

NT: Chapman*

DT: Jones

DE: 

Rush: Mathis

Sam: Walden

Mike: D. Jackson

Will: Freeman

CB1: Davis

CB2: Toler

Nickel: 

FS: Adams

SS: 

 

I don't have a problem with Chapman, but he shouldn't get more than 15-18 snaps a game. He was better in 2013 in a smaller role. Redding is a free agent and may retire; we just cut RJF; everyone else at DL is young, decent as rotational players, not starters, and not difference makers. There's little pass rush from the DL.

 

I'm including Mathis at Rush, but that's not certain. There was a rumor of a setback in his rehab, which was denied, but his injury can typically take a full year for recovery. And he's 34 (today). Between Newsome and Werner, I think the Rush spot would be handled, if necessary.

 

Freeman is a restricted free agent. He'll probably be back. There's no depth behind him and D. Jackson, and the ILBs were again poor in pass coverage. 

 

Butler is a free agent. I think we'll keep him, but there's little depth at DB across the board. I'm including Adams at FS even though he's a free agent, but again, there's no real depth. And I think we can do better at SS than Sergio.

 

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Overall, I think we should bring in 2-3 starters in free agency, along with depth/competition at a handful of these weak spots. To me, the competition should be FIERCE this offseason and training camp. Aside from the specialists, I don't see why anyone not on this list should feel like they have a secure role or roster spot in 2015. And that's not a knock on any of the players not listed, especially the young guys. (A couple of the guys that ARE on this list shouldn't feel secure, tbh.) I just think this offseason should yield a significantly improved team, one way or the other. 

 

Then the draft will be all about taking the best player on the board, almost without regard for position. 

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Like you, I would love to see more competition for starting spots.  Unfortunately, this coaching staff has shown a frustrating tendency to play favourites and give guys reps and starts, even if they aren't playing well

 

Some of their decisions have been puzzling, but I don't see it as playing favorites. I think there's plenty of examples of starters and "favorites" being benched or having a reduced role over time. Every situation is different, but to me, that debunks the whole "playing favorites" thing.

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Like you, I would love to see more competition for starting spots.  Unfortunately, this coaching staff has shown a frustrating tendency to play favourites and give guys reps and starts, even if they aren't playing well

It may be frustrating for us but the coaching staff are the ones who sees these players every day in practices and workouts.  They have more film to study than what we see. It might be easy to see a backup player make a good play and think why isn't this guy getting more work. I really don't think the coaches play favorites per say. They just put the player in who they feel gives us a better chance after seeing them on a daily bases.

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I agree for the most part, nice work.

 

I just think that we would be better off with a new WLB, and SLB. 

 

I'd take two new ILBs, to be honest. Freeman was dinged up all last year, and it clearly affected his play, so maybe that's harsh. But if we can't improve the coverage over the middle of the field, the rest of the defense will continue to be stressed. We talk about the run defense against the Pats, but everything they did in the passing game was made easier by our poor coverage across the middle.

 

At Sam, I think we're fine. I don't know what the beef is with Walden. He does everything a Sam is supposed to do. I'm all about competition, but I don't think that position is a weakness for us at all.

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It may be frustrating for us but the coaching staff are the ones who sees these players every day in practices and workouts.  They have more film to study than what we see. It might be easy to see a backup player make a good play and think why isn't this guy getting more work. I really don't think the coaches play favorites per say. They just put the player in who they feel gives us a better chance after seeing them on a daily bases.

 

I was going to comment on this, but you stated it very well.  

 

The only other thing I''d add is that the coaches and the GM also have their jobs on the line.  So, unless you buy into the further conspiracy theory that favoritism is coming from the owner, then playing favorites makes no sense.

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Count me as one who see Ballard starting day one at RB. I can be positive...can't I?

 

You never know.  I was one of the people saying that Boom would beat out Ballard for our #3 RB spot before training camp last year.  Of course, Ballard never really had a chance to compete.

 

My logic was that Boom was a better RB in college than Ballard and he just needed the chance (yes, I'm prejudiced).  I wish Vick luck, but I don't know if he'll ever start in this league.  I hope he makes it back as a player though.

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Like you, I would love to see more competition for starting spots.  Unfortunately, this coaching staff has shown a frustrating tendency to play favourites and give guys reps and starts, even if they aren't playing well

 

I don't think it's a tendency to play favorites, I think it's a tendency to prefer experience over raw talent, which I tend to agree with considering the amount of roster turnover those first couple of years.  As they continue to build a more experienced, veteran core (especially on defense), then there will be more opportunities for young guys to earn bigger roles sooner, imo. 

 

In 2013 offseason, they signed 5 guys who became instant starters on defense for the 2013 regular season...Walden, Franklin, RJF, Landry and Toler.  So basically half of the starting offense consisted of players who were new to the team and some new to the system.  Of the players we already had at the time, Redding had only been with the team for 1 year, Davis had been here for 2, Mathis for a while but was only his 2nd year in the system, and it was his first year playing RushLB because he mostly played Sam the year before. 

 

So it wasn't a case of...we have a solid core group of players that have experience together, so all we need to do is bring in a couple of new players and give them a chance to establish chemistry with the rest of the core group.  There was no core group that had chemistry with each other.  The entire defense had to learn to play together and the more guys you have with NFL playing experience, the better chance you have of that working.

 

At least in my opinion.

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Holmes at C

Reitz at RT like the playoff run

Cameron Irving at RG outta the draft

Any RB can run behind that line right there. Draft depth or take UDFA as depth cause linemen drop like flies especially when rolled up on

Peterson or Rice would be nice to have. Maybe even Melvin Gordon with our first pick

But after the Trent thing, paranoid on spending 1st on RB anymore.

So maybe Coleman in the 2nd or Gore in FA and get a RB next year

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Are you willing to project him as a starter right now? In February? I'm not.

 

I'm pretty sure a RB is coming in the draft this year. Lots of good ones.

 

You never know.  I was one of the people saying that Boom would beat out Ballard for our #3 RB spot before training camp last year.  Of course, Ballard never really had a chance to compete.

 

My logic was that Boom was a better RB in college than Ballard and he just needed the chance (yes, I'm prejudiced).  I wish Vick luck, but I don't know if he'll ever start in this league.  I hope he makes it back as a player though.

Of course I don't have proof that he will ever play at an NFL level, let alone as a starter. However, one thing that I do know, is that rookie RB's rarely can perform at an adequate level when it comes to protection. I'll change my prediction to him being a starter...if...we don't acquire a vet FA. On the whole, I am trying to send positive vibes out to the universe about him. The pendulum can swing our way on this one..can't it?

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I think it's a tendency to prefer experience over raw talent

 

That's what makes the Shipley v Harrison deal so strange, and IMO, it's what a lot of people have latched on to. Harrison was the raw talent, Shipley was the experienced vet.

 

I've recently rewatched the first four games of the season, and Shipley wasn't all that. Especially with blitzers up the middle; the Eagles destroyed us with A-gap blitzes all game long. But Shipley wasn't bad. Benching him is the opposite of how this staff has handled almost every other situation.

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Nice analysis. Of course, it's going to look a lot different in a couple months.

We have to put it in perspective with the rest of the AFC. I'd say we're still a top 5 team even before free agency and the draft.

 

I hope it looks a LOT different in two months. That's kind of the point. Let's kick this thing into high gear.

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I'm looking at our lineup, and thinking about the positions where we're thin, or need the most immediate help, or have a lot of uncertainty. Not good.

Here's how I see it.

QB: Luck

RB:

RB2: Herron

WR1: Hilton

WR2:

WR3: Moncrief

TE1: Allen

TE2: Fleener

LT: Castonzo

LG: Mewhort

C:

RG:

RT:

We have some young depth at those blanks, and potential starters at C, RG and RT. But those positions are certainly not strong for us. Reitz is probably our third best lineman, and he's a free agent, and has injury issues.

WR is extra thin, pending decisions from Nicks and Wayne (who weren't all that great in 2014 anyways). Carter is intriguing, but nothing to rely on yet. The RBs are slim pickings. I like Boom, but I think we can do better for a starter, or at least improve the timeshare that he'll be in. Ballard and Bradshaw are coming off injury again; Richardson is likely gone.

NT: Chapman*

DT: Jones

DE:

Rush: Mathis

Sam: Walden

Mike: D. Jackson

Will: Freeman

CB1: Davis

CB2: Toler

Nickel:

FS: Adams

SS:

I don't have a problem with Chapman, but he shouldn't get more than 15-18 snaps a game. He was better in 2013 in a smaller role. Redding is a free agent and may retire; we just cut RJF; everyone else at DL is young, decent as rotational players, not starters, and not difference makers. There's little pass rush from the DL.

I'm including Mathis at Rush, but that's not certain. There was a rumor of a setback in his rehab, which was denied, but his injury can typically take a full year for recovery. And he's 34 (today). Between Newsome and Werner, I think the Rush spot would be handled, if necessary.

Freeman is a restricted free agent. He'll probably be back. There's no depth behind him and D. Jackson, and the ILBs were again poor in pass coverage.

Butler is a free agent. I think we'll keep him, but there's little depth at DB across the board. I'm including Adams at FS even though he's a free agent, but again, there's no real depth. And I think we can do better at SS than Sergio.

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Overall, I think we should bring in 2-3 starters in free agency, along with depth/competition at a handful of these weak spots. To me, the competition should be FIERCE this offseason and training camp. Aside from the specialists, I don't see why anyone not on this list should feel like they have a secure role or roster spot in 2015. And that's not a knock on any of the players not listed, especially the young guys. (A couple of the guys that ARE on this list shouldn't feel secure, tbh.) I just think this offseason should yield a significantly improved team, one way or the other.

Then the draft will be all about taking the best player on the board, almost without regard for position.

Hope we resign Adams.
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That's what makes the Shipley v Harrison deal so strange, and IMO, it's what a lot of people have latched on to. Harrison was the raw talent, Shipley was the experienced vet.

I've recently rewatched the first four games of the season, and Shipley wasn't all that. Especially with blitzers up the middle; the Eagles destroyed us with A-gap blitzes all game long. But Shipley wasn't bad. Benching him is the opposite of how this staff has handled almost every other situation.

Right...as far as I can recall harrison overtaking Shipley was the only time they'd done that...a decision that was largely criticized even though people want the colts to do more of it
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I'll just focus a comment on the obvious...at least to me. There is a gaping hole at C and on the right side of the Oline..which there has been basically since Grigson got here.

I think he finally settles the issue and signs two FAs to fill two of the three holes. I'm hoping for Boling and Wisnewski. I don't see him wanting to gamble on another draft pick...even a high one.

And there's too much depth at Dline FA this year to not sign RJF's replacement.

Free agency starts before the draft. I'm focusing on filling holes there first.

Other positions I'll save for later comment.

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I'd take two new ILBs, to be honest. Freeman was dinged up all last year, and it clearly affected his play, so maybe that's harsh. But if we can't improve the coverage over the middle of the field, the rest of the defense will continue to be stressed. We talk about the run defense against the Pats, but everything they did in the passing game was made easier by our poor coverage across the middle.

At Sam, I think we're fine. I don't know what the beef is with Walden. He does everything a Sam is supposed to do. I'm all about competition, but I don't think that position is a weakness for us at all.

speaking of Sam backers what do you think about Werner there. I think he was progressing good but the injuries last year slowed him. He gets pressure it's just he misses out on the sacks
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speaking of Sam backers what do you think about Werner there. I think he was progressing good but the injuries last year slowed him. He gets pressure it's just he misses out on the sacks

 

That's probably his best position. He was showing the ability to not only set the edge, but to make plays on runs that came his way. He's strong and has long arms, and as he gets better at beating blockers, he'll be more of a playmaker at Sam (hopefully). I don't think he has the burst and explosiveness to be a good Rush, but I think his traits are probably a plus for a Sam backer.

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I'll just focus a comment on the obvious...at least to me. There is a gaping hole at C and on the right side of the Oline..which there has been basically since Grigson got here.

I think he finally settles the issue and signs two FAs to fill two of the three holes. I'm hoping for Boling and Wisnewski. I don't see him wanting to gamble on another draft pick...even a high one.

And there's too much depth at Dline FA this year to not sign RJF's replacement.

Free agency starts before the draft. I'm focusing on filling holes there first.

Other positions I'll save for later comment.

 

I don't see it at center. It's too easy of a position to fill. As long as your guy isn't an absolute bum, and as long as he can handle the snap count and simple protections, you're okay. I think what you have at guard is more important, and from a physical traits standpoint, harder to find, therefore it's more cost-effective to pay a veteran guard than a veteran center. And with the increase of passing, which led to an increase in pass rushing productivity, RT is more important than ever. Some disagree with me. That's just how I see it.

 

I still think Holmes is the projected starter, and I think that's fine. I would really like for Reitz to be the RG, but he's not dependable. So I'd sign a RG, and I'm partial to Boling as well. And at RT, there are a lot of options. Reitz could still be in the mix. Doug Free or Jermey Parnell will be available.

 

I also agree that they'll do something at DL in free agency. Not sure what, or on what level. Since RJF's release, I'm wondering if Redding is still in the picture. Everyone is talking about Suh and Fairley. Not a lot of talk about Stephen Paea. Really good weakside penetrator, and would help the pass rush from the interior.

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I'm looking at our lineup, and thinking about the positions where we're thin, or need the most immediate help, or have a lot of uncertainty. Not good.

 

Here's how I see it.

 

QB: Luck

RB:

RB2: Herron

WR1: Hilton

WR2:

WR3: Moncrief

TE1: Allen

TE2: Fleener

LT: Castonzo

LG: Mewhort

C: 

RG:

RT:

 

We have some young depth at those blanks, and potential starters at C, RG and RT. But those positions are certainly not strong for us. Reitz is probably our third best lineman, and he's a free agent, and has injury issues.

 

WR is extra thin, pending decisions from Nicks and Wayne (who weren't all that great in 2014 anyways). Carter is intriguing, but nothing to rely on yet. The RBs are slim pickings. I like Boom, but I think we can do better for a starter, or at least improve the timeshare that he'll be in. Ballard and Bradshaw are coming off injury again; Richardson is likely gone.

 

NT: Chapman*

DT: Jones

DE: 

Rush: Mathis

Sam: Walden

Mike: D. Jackson

Will: Freeman

CB1: Davis

CB2: Toler

Nickel: 

FS: Adams

SS: 

 

I don't have a problem with Chapman, but he shouldn't get more than 15-18 snaps a game. He was better in 2013 in a smaller role. Redding is a free agent and may retire; we just cut RJF; everyone else at DL is young, decent as rotational players, not starters, and not difference makers. There's little pass rush from the DL.

 

I'm including Mathis at Rush, but that's not certain. There was a rumor of a setback in his rehab, which was denied, but his injury can typically take a full year for recovery. And he's 34 (today). Between Newsome and Werner, I think the Rush spot would be handled, if necessary.

 

Freeman is a restricted free agent. He'll probably be back. There's no depth behind him and D. Jackson, and the ILBs were again poor in pass coverage. 

 

Butler is a free agent. I think we'll keep him, but there's little depth at DB across the board. I'm including Adams at FS even though he's a free agent, but again, there's no real depth. And I think we can do better at SS than Sergio.

 

***

 

Overall, I think we should bring in 2-3 starters in free agency, along with depth/competition at a handful of these weak spots. To me, the competition should be FIERCE this offseason and training camp. Aside from the specialists, I don't see why anyone not on this list should feel like they have a secure role or roster spot in 2015. And that's not a knock on any of the players not listed, especially the young guys. (A couple of the guys that ARE on this list shouldn't feel secure, tbh.) I just think this offseason should yield a significantly improved team, one way or the other. 

 

Then the draft will be all about taking the best player on the board, almost without regard for position. 

Draft Coleman to be our starting RB, trade our 5th or 6th pick for Mike Wallace. rumor is that a few NFL executives think he worth nothing more then a 6th round pick. make him a slot receiver who can play outside when Montcrief or Hilton need a breather. and another rumor is the colts seem to be high on and expected to push hard for McPhee from baltimore so that would solve our DE problem. 

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That's probably his best position. He was showing the ability to not only set the edge, but to make plays on runs that came his way. He's strong and has long arms, and as he gets better at beating blockers, he'll be more of a playmaker at Sam (hopefully). I don't think he has the burst and explosiveness to be a good Rush, but I think his traits are probably a plus for a Sam backer.

that's what I feel too but I think he could develop and produce a good amount of sacks for a Sam backer too
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I don't see it at center. It's too easy of a position to fill. As long as your guy isn't an absolute bum, and as long as he can handle the snap count and simple protections, you're okay. I think what you have at guard is more important, and from a physical traits standpoint, harder to find, therefore it's more cost-effective to pay a veteran guard than a veteran center. And with the increase of passing, which led to an increase in pass rushing productivity, RT is more important than ever. Some disagree with me. That's just how I see it.

 

I still think Holmes is the projected starter, and I think that's fine. I would really like for Reitz to be the RG, but he's not dependable. So I'd sign a RG, and I'm partial to Boling as well. And at RT, there are a lot of options. Reitz could still be in the mix. Doug Free or Jermey Parnell will be available.

 

I also agree that they'll do something at DL in free agency. Not sure what, or on what level. Since RJF's release, I'm wondering if Redding is still in the picture. Everyone is talking about Suh and Fairley. Not a lot of talk about Stephen Paea. Really good weakside penetrator, and would help the pass rush from the interior.

I agree with everything you said. My comment about Wisnewski was based upon the rumor that the Raiders didn't want to pay him 3.5 mill a year. I think Wiz would be an upgrade over Holmes, and eliminate the wondering if he'll work out.... at not a bad price at all. Whether or not the rumors are true about him wanting only 3.5 mill may be another story.

I wouldn't be opposed to signing Wiz for 3.5, Boling and also Free/Parnell at their market rates, and sign a FA DT too. That's only 4 FAs but fills the holes in the trenches...then get the speedier positions in the draft.

If we cut Thomas and Cherilous post June-1, that should help free up money along the Oline.

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I agree with everything you said. My comment about Wisnewski was based upon the rumor that the Raiders didn't want to pay him 3.5 mill a year. I think Wiz would be an upgrade over Holmes, and eliminate the wondering if he'll work out.... at not a bad price at all. Whether or not the rumors are true about him wanting only 3.5 mill may be another story.

I wouldn't be opposed to signing Wiz for 3.5, Boling and also Free/Parnell at their market rates, and sign a FA DT too. That's only 4 FAs but fills the holes in the trenches...then get the speedier positions in the draft.

If we cut Thomas and Cherilous post June-1, that should help free up money along the Oline.

 

I can't imagining the Raiders letting him walk if he only wants $3.5m, but yeah I saw the report. Just doesn't quite add up.

 

I think there will be a lot of moving parts this offseason. None trickier than the right side of the offensive line.

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Some of their decisions have been puzzling, but I don't see it as playing favorites. I think there's plenty of examples of starters and "favorites" being benched or having a reduced role over time. Every situation is different, but to me, that debunks the whole "playing favorites" thing.

The way they handled Richardson and Wayne, giving them more reps when they clearly weren't playing well and even forcing the ball to Wayne to continue his 3 receptions streak (though that may have been Luck and not the coaches), that's the kind of stuff that leads me to think they play favourites.  I don't mean it as a childish I-like-you-more-so-you-get-playing-time kind of thing.  But there have been quite a few instances where a player is seemingly handed a spot.  In places like Seattle, you hear about Pete Carroll making everything a competition (for example, 3rd round pick and rookie Russell Wilson beats out high priced Matt Flynn for the starting QB spot).  In New England, Belichick plays the guys who are doing well and give the team the best chance to win (Blount, Vereen, Gray, and he was pretty quick to bench Ridley whereas our coaches wouldn't stop with Richardson).  For whatever reason, our coaching staff doesn't seem to do the same.

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The way they handled Richardson and Wayne, giving them more reps when they clearly weren't playing well and even forcing the ball to Wayne to continue his 3 receptions streak (though that may have been Luck and not the coaches), that's the kind of stuff that leads me to think they play favourites.  I don't mean it as a childish I-like-you-more-so-you-get-playing-time kind of thing.  But there have been quite a few instances where a player is seemingly handed a spot.  In places like Seattle, you hear about Pete Carroll making everything a competition (for example, 3rd round pick and rookie Russell Wilson beats out high priced Matt Flynn for the starting QB spot).  In New England, Belichick plays the guys who are doing well and give the team the best chance to win (Blount, Vereen, Gray, and he was pretty quick to bench Ridley whereas our coaches wouldn't stop with Richardson).  For whatever reason, our coaching staff doesn't seem to do the same.

I agree to some degree...I think it has to do with two things:

1. The quality of the replacement isn't much better. Were talking mainly the WR, RB, and C and G positions right?

2. Somehow, installing new players might mean making more adjustments or changes to your preparation than what you are able to do. No further comment....

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The way they handled Richardson and Wayne, giving them more reps when they clearly weren't playing well and even forcing the ball to Wayne to continue his 3 receptions streak (though that may have been Luck and not the coaches), that's the kind of stuff that leads me to think they play favourites.  I don't mean it as a childish I-like-you-more-so-you-get-playing-time kind of thing.  But there have been quite a few instances where a player is seemingly handed a spot.  In places like Seattle, you hear about Pete Carroll making everything a competition (for example, 3rd round pick and rookie Russell Wilson beats out high priced Matt Flynn for the starting QB spot).  In New England, Belichick plays the guys who are doing well and give the team the best chance to win (Blount, Vereen, Gray, and he was pretty quick to bench Ridley whereas our coaches wouldn't stop with Richardson).  For whatever reason, our coaching staff doesn't seem to do the same.

 

Richardson wasn't great last season, obviously. But he wasn't bad all season, either. He was in a timeshare with Bradshaw, and that platoon was actually doing pretty well. Then Bradshaw got hurt, Richardson started goofing off (reportedly disappearing after the New England game). That's when things got bad.

 

In the meantime, Boom kept fumbling. Couldn't make him the starter. Who else was there, really?

 

Eventually, Richardson was benched, but gradually, Boom got more and more snaps, more and more touches, and Richardson got less. He didn't get thrown out of town like a lot of people wanted (and like he probably deserved, based on what we've seen lately), but I don't think the staff stuck with him out of stubbornness. I definitely don't think they handed him a spot. Aside from the few weeks after Bradshaw got hurt, he arguably wasn't even the lead back.

 

And then with Reggie, I think he's earned whatever consideration the staff gave him. Especially getting him the three catches. That game was over anyways, so it's not like they gave him reps that someone else should have had.

 

I don't know, I just don't see it. I see decisions that are somewhat questionable. I don't see favorites.

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