How to stop the Pats?

[jvan1973]

Colts fans should thank their lucky stars that organization surrounded Luck with as many weapons as Peyton has.

I'd love to see Luck and Peyton do with what Brady has with Brady's "weapons".

Does Brady spend months working out with his wrs in the off season. Serious question, because i haven't heard if he does or doesnt. I know luck and manning both do

[Atlas Shrugged NFL]

Actually he has some of the worst deep accuaracy in the NFL. 11 of 37 with 2 drops (35.1% 4th worst) for 352 yards.

 

Compared with Luck's 23 of 46 with 1 drop (52.2% 4th best) for 707 yards. Even with TYs targets he's still 14 of 29 (48.2%, 7th highest in the NFL).

 

Good try though man. 

 

And he has no down field wr to throw to.

 

Give him TY and he'll have one of the best in the league.

 

And what does throwing it deep mean anyway?  lol  How many super bowls has that won anyone?  Defense wins championships.  And it's hard to win when your QB throws so many INT's.

[jvan1973]

Bill Polian likes your avatar photo. Except when the Patriots do that, then it's illegal.

Yeah, except the contact Davis made on that play was after the ball had been touched by the back. Try harder

[amfootball]

Does Brady spend months working out with his wrs in the off season. Serious question, because i haven't heard if he does or doesnt. I know luck and manning both do

He does.

[Dustin]

And he has no down field wr to throw to.

 

 

Brandon Lafell has just as many deep targets as TY Hilton does.

 

 

And what does throwing it deep mean anyway?  lol  How many super bowls has that won anyone? 

 

I don't even...

[RockThatBlue]

Bill Polian likes your avatar photo. Except when the Patriots do that, then it's illegal.

Yes, thats totally what my post was about. Good call.

[jvan1973]

And he has no down field wr to throw to.

Give him TY and he'll have one of the best in the league.

And what does throwing it deep mean anyway? lol How many super bowls has that won anyone? Defense wins championships. And it's hard to win when your QB throws so many INT's.

Thank you. Defense wins championships. Tell your pats brethren that for me please

[Atlas Shrugged NFL]

You can "prove" anything with anecdotal evidence. 

 

Fact is Brady has one of the worst completion percentages on deep balls of any QB in the league. Seriously. Andy Dalton has a higher deep ball percentage than Tom Brady.

 

Because he hasn't had a down field threat like Luck has had.  Brady's last true legit outside WR who can stretch the field was Moss.

 

Give Brady the weapons that Luck and Stafford have and watch his stats go through the roof.

 

And how many super bowls has that won Luck or Peyton having a "down field threat" ?  Put these wr's outside in the winter  in the post season and they get shut down.

[Dustin]

In 2008 Matt Cassell threw for the 6th most accurate deep ball. 

 

In 2009 Brady threw the 21st most accurate.

 

"Muh no weapons."

[amfootball]

In 2008 Matt Cassell threw for the 6th most accurate deep ball. 

 

In 2009 Brady threw the 21st most accurate.

 

"Muh no weapons."

How many attempts for each?

[Dustin]

Because he hasn't had a down field threat like Luck has had.  Brady's last true legit outside WR who can stretch the field was Moss.

 

Give Brady the weapons that Luck and Stafford have and watch his stats go through the roof.

 

And how many super bowls has that won Luck or Peyton having a "down field threat" ?  Put these wr's outside in the winter  in the post season and they get shut down.

 

The only year Brady had a good deep ball was when he was throwing to the greatest deep threat in the NFL history. 

[Superman]

Because he hasn't had a down field threat like Luck has had.  Brady's last true legit outside WR who can stretch the field was Moss.

 

Give Brady the weapons that Luck and Stafford have and watch his stats go through the roof.

 

And how many super bowls has that won Luck or Peyton having a "down field threat" ?  Put these wr's outside in the winter  in the post season and they get shut down.

 

[Dustin]

How many attempts for each?

 

Cassel 46 Brady 68. Cassel had 9 drops. Brady had 3. 

[amfootball]

Cassel 46 Brady 68. Cassel had 9 drops. Brady had 3. 

Did you quote 2009 for Brady when he came off of ACL surgery? How did he do in 2007? That would be a better comparison than 2009.

[Gramz]

It's only Monday.....  

 

Lord help us.

[-JJ-]

Does Brady spend months working out with his wrs in the off season. Serious question, because i haven't heard if he does or doesnt. I know luck and manning both do

Not sure he does. He's in sunny calif and I know he comes in early before camp but when not sure.

[-JJ-]

lol

[Atlas Shrugged NFL]

The Pats organization has screwed Brady so many times.  He takes pay cuts or restructures his contract and they still either can't resign offensive players, Kraft finds a way to screw it up with his arrogance hard ball negotiating tactics that turns players off, or Belichick will trade them away.

 

So contact the Patriots and tell them to trade for or draft a outside stud WR.  They had Dez Bryant in the draft to select and they didn't take him.

 

But I think the Pats believe receivers are divas and cause more problems than they contribute.  They tend to be head cases...

 

Randy Moss

Terrell Owens

Chad Johnson

Dez Bryant

 

 

Defense wins championships.  I hope the Pats draft mostly defensive players in next year's draft.  D-linemen and LB's.

[-JJ-]

It's only Monday.....  

 

Lord help us.

heh- I figure it will explode by Friday. 

[Atlas Shrugged NFL]

In 2008 Matt Cassell threw for the 6th most accurate deep ball. 

 

In 2009 Brady threw the 21st most accurate.

 

"Muh no weapons."

 

And where's Matt Cassel today vs Tom Brady?

 

What's the Patriots' record vs the Vikings?

[Superman]

lol

 

It perfectly summed up my mood. Plus, a little Mila never made a thread any worse, right?

[Dustin]

Did you quote 2009 for Brady when he came off of ACL surgery? How did he do in 2007? That would be a better comparison than 2009.

 

1st. Literally the only year in the past 8 years he's been in the top 10. All it took was the greatest deep threat in NFL history. 

[-JJ-]

 

The Pats organization has screwed Brady so many times.  He takes pay cuts or restructures his contract and they still either can't resign offensive players, Kraft finds a way to screw it up with his arrogance hard ball negotiating tactics that turns players off, or Belichick will trade them away.

 

So contact the Patriots and tell them to trade for or draft a outside stud WR.  They had Dez Bryant in the draft to select and they didn't take him.

 

But I think the Pats believe receivers are divas and cause more problems than they contribute.  They tend to be head cases...

 

Randy Moss

Terrell Owens

Chad Johnson

Dez Bryant

 

 

Defense wins championships.  I hope the Pats draft mostly defensive players in next year's draft.  D-linemen and LB's.

 

I'm sure that's a big part. The other I think Bill just doesn't want to spend on WR and RB. Now dline is another story ;)

[amfootball]

1st. Literally the only year in the past 8 years he's been in the top 10. All it took was the greatest deep threat in NFL history. 

Thanks. And who has he had before or since that has even been anywhere close to Moss?

[Atlas Shrugged NFL]

Did you quote 2009 for Brady when he came off of ACL surgery? How did he do in 2007? That would be a better comparison than 2009.

 

Yeah, Matt Cassel, that super bowl winning MVP who can throw you 40+ td's a season with less than 12 int's.  He's amazing!  He's got the Vikings in super bowl contention as we speak.

[-JJ-]

It perfectly summed up my mood. Plus, a little Mila never made a thread any worse, right?

I confess to not knowing who she is but it was perfect.

[Atlas Shrugged NFL]

1st. Literally the only year in the past 8 years he's been in the top 10. All it took was the greatest deep threat in NFL history. 

 

Easy to talk when the Colts made sure to load Luck up with weapons.  lol  Take away TY and Wayne and give him Dobson and Thompkins.  Let's see Luck shine.  lol

[jvan1973]

Thanks. And who has he had before or since that has even been anywhere close to Moss?

Who has ever had anyone anywhere near moss in regards to a deep threat?

[Dustin]

Thanks. And who has he had before or since that has even been anywhere close to Moss?

 

Guess which QB has the 2nd most accurate deep ball this season?

[amfootball]

Who has ever had anyone anywhere near moss in regards to a deep threat?

True dat. And Moss had his best season ever and the best any receiver has ever had with Brady. Since? No one even half as good as Moss ....

[amfootball]

Guess which QB has the 2nd most accurate deep ball this season?

What does that have to do with Brady and his deep ball targets?

[Atlas Shrugged NFL]

Who has ever had anyone anywhere near moss in regards to a deep threat?

 

Matt Stafford = Calvin Johnson

Tony Romo = Dez Bryant

Matt Ryan = Julio Jones

Andrew Luck = TY and Wayne

Peyton Manning = Enough said

Drew Brees = Enough said

 

Even Joe Flacco is loaded with weapons.

 

 

ALl those qb's have been on teams loaded at WR with at least one down field threat as good as Moss and even more complete than Moss because those WR's on those teams will go over the middle unlike Moss.  Moss was soft.  He wouldn't go up for balls if he knew he would get hit.  The Ravens/49ers super bowl was great evidence of that.

 

Moss gave up on all the teams he's been on in the NFL.

[Dustin]

What does that have to do with Brady and his deep ball targets?

 

Guess. 

[Superman]

Guess which QB has the 2nd most accurate deep ball this season?

 

Ooooh, ooooh, let me! Let me!

[amfootball]

Guess. 

No idea.

[Dustin]

Matt Stafford

Tony Romo

Matt Ryan

Andrew Luck

Peyton Manning

Drew Brees

 

 

ALl those qb's have been on teams loaded at WR with at least one down field threat as good as Moss and even more complete than Moss because those WR's on those teams will go over the middle unlike Moss.  Moss was soft.  He wouldn't go up for balls if he knew he would get hit.  The Ravens/49ers super bowl was great evidence of that.

 

Moss gave up on all the teams he's been on in the NFL.

 

I don't think you're in any position to call a professional NFL player "soft"

[Superman]

True dat. And Moss had his best season ever and the best any receiver has ever had with Brady. Since? No one even half as good as Moss ....

 

Moss was still there in 2009. 

[amfootball]

Moss was still there in 2009. 

Yep. Brady was coming off of ACL surgery though. Down year for him all around.

[jvan1973]

Matt Stafford

Tony Romo

Matt Ryan

Andrew Luck

Peyton Manning

Drew Brees

ALl those qb's have been on teams loaded at WR with at least one down field threat as good as Moss and even more complete than Moss because those WR's on those teams will go over the middle unlike Moss. Moss was soft. He wouldn't go up for balls if he knew he would get hit. The Ravens/49ers super bowl was great evidence of that.

Moss gave up on all the teams he's been on in the NFL.

write bill a letter. He is terrible drafting wrs. But i guarantee Lafell would be a deep threat on more than a couple of offenses in the nfl

[Dustin]

Ooooh, ooooh, let me! Let me!

 

No idea.

 

Brian. Hoyer.

 

Throwing to the likes of Travis Benjamin, Taylor Gabriel, Jim Dray, Gary Barnidge, and Andrew Hawkins.

 

"Muh no weapons" tho.