Colts approach to injuries, "soft tissue" (merge)

[Smurphy1]

http://injuryexpert.svbtle.com/soft-tissue-is-hard-choice

Something just seems odd about this. Why would the coaches use "soft tissue" to shame a player when the coaches are the ones holding them out of practice?

[Superman]

I disagree, very much. Pagano has said regularly that HE is the one deciding to hold players out of practice, to be cautious. He's repeated it several times. 

 

Being more specific about the nature of the injury doesn't change the seriousness of the injury, nor would it change public perception. Unfortunately, people outside of the organization jump to conclusions without all the necessary information, and that won't change if you give them more information. They still don't know the severity of the injury. 

 

I also disagree with the thought that "the Colts have been terrible at managing injuries," because such a statement essentially blames the organization for the injuries. While I do think the Colts could embrace some of the more progressive practices with regard to injury management, I don't think it's the team's fault that some of the guys aren't ready to go. Richardson, Landry and Davis haven't done any work with the team during camp (and I think they were all either missing or held out of OTAs and minicamps as well), so it's not like the team overworked them or mishandled them. Blaming the Colts for these injuries is simply wrong. 

[throwing BBZ]

This writer wouldn`t have a CLUE whether the Colts have managed injuries poorly. 
 Oh wait, 30 other teams manage it better, now i get his logic. !

[NewColtsFan]

As he did when he was at Stanford,  the 49ers Jim Harbaugh often reports injuries this way......

 

 

"(player)  is working through some things/issues...."

 

Seriously.

 

And that's not something he'll often volunteer.    Often, it's after the media notices a certain player is not practicing and they have to ask why.,,,

 

So....   "(this player) is working through some issues...."

 

I think there's often a certain FU attitude involved....  even to the NFL.

 

And I think/suspect more and more teams will do that.    Perhaps the Colts are now one of them?   These coaches/GM's have a certain level of paranoia about information getting out before it's absolutely necessary.   Think Bill Bellicheck.

 

So, unless they NFL is telling teams they have to spell things out quickly and clearly -- or else! -- then good luck prying it out....

[HtownColt]

Stephen Holder article on Pagano and handling injuries: full article http://www.indystar.com/story/colts-insider/2014/07/29/colts-looking-to-prevent-injuries-in-training-camp/13315123/

Snippet: "Not wanting to assume the approach was related to last year's rash of injuries, I put the question to Pagano. He confirmed that last season's injuries weren't only at the forefront of his mind, but that the team has been scrambling to find ways to minimize injuries.

"I think it would be foolish on our part not to be proactive like we were in the offseason and do a lot of research," he said. "Our trainers, our strength staff, we went to work and looked at the last two seasons. We looked at 2012 and all the guys we placed on IR last year, trying to find common threads, common themes (to) do everything in our power to be proactive so that we don't place 17 guys on IR again."

[Superman]

Stephen Holder article on Pagano and handling injuries: full article http://www.indystar.com/story/colts-insider/2014/07/29/colts-looking-to-prevent-injuries-in-training-camp/13315123/

Snippet: "Not wanting to assume the approach was related to last year's rash of injuries, I put the question to Pagano. He confirmed that last season's injuries weren't only at the forefront of his mind, but that the team has been scrambling to find ways to minimize injuries.

"I think it would be foolish on our part not to be proactive like we were in the offseason and do a lot of research," he said. "Our trainers, our strength staff, we went to work and looked at the last two seasons. We looked at 2012 and all the guys we placed on IR last year, trying to find common threads, common themes (to) do everything in our power to be proactive so that we don't place 17 guys on IR again."

 

The bolded is encouraging. That whole article is nice to see. I hope the adjustments have an impact on the team's health over the course of the season. 

[TKnight24]

#Colts taking no chances with injuries after having NFL-high 17 players on IR in 2013: http://t.co/5gWD7b0Egy via @indystar

— Stephen Holder (@HolderStephen)

July 29, 2014

The #Colts have done research and studied the nature of injuries, etc, and the current conservative approach is related to their findings

— Stephen Holder (@HolderStephen)

July 29, 2014

Remember a lot of you asking why we're holding players out and whatnot. There's the answer in black & white

[TKnight24]

Trent Richardson's absence to date is related to this approach to injuries, BTW. #Colts

— Stephen Holder (@HolderStephen)

July 29, 2014

[pgt_rob]

Probably a good thing.

[Superman]

Merged the two threads on this topic. 

[USAFHoosier]

It's a long brutal season these guys play. If some need to sit out because of minor injuries so be it. I'd rather have Richardson in there getting more touches to prove last year was a fluke though.

[TKnight24]

It's a long brutal season these guys play. If some need to sit out because of minor injuries so be it. I'd rather have Richardson in there getting more touches to prove last year was a fluke though.

....... He wouldn't exactly be proving anything gaining yards against a half-speed defense

[Horse Shoe Heaven]

If a guy has a pulled hamstring or quad, bone bruise, ect it makes no sense for that player to practice now until he is ready! Period, I don't care that Richardson, Landry, or Davis haven't practiced yet this isn't the regular season & honestly it doesn't count and all 3 have already made the team. Practice when they are healthy and ready to produce!

[Gavin]

Good thing to do in my opinion is take it slow with players that have been injured recently, Let them get as healthy as possible, Or just put them on a snap count

[OLD FAN MAN]

landry has no soft tissue to injure. he is hard as nails and will be the star of our defense, imo.

[USAFHoosier]

....... He wouldn't exactly be proving anything gaining yards against a half-speed defense

I typed that all wrong. Meant it as getting more touches to be able to react and not think before the regular season. My bad

[GoColts8818]

We are doing something wrong when it comes to injuries dating back to the Dungy days we have never been higher than 26th in the league when it comes to them and we were 31st last year and 30th the year before that, atleast that's what I head on the radio this afternoon and the smaller guys argument of the Dungy days are gone and in-fact looks to have gotten worse in the past two years. I don't know if I buy this article as 100% truth but I am not going to fault the Colts of they want to start trying different things when if comes to staying healthy either.

[TKnight24]

I typed that all wrong. Meant it as getting more touches to be able to react and not think before the regular season. My bad

Understood

[lollygagger8]

 

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Remember a lot of you asking why we're holding players out and whatnot. There's the answer in black & white

 

 

Why is the strength and conditioning coach not being questioned in any of this?

 

Something needs to change. 

 

It seems we are always top 5 in injuries year after year. 

[TKnight24]

Why is the strength and conditioning coach not being questioned in any of this?

Something needs to change.

It seems we are always top 5 in injuries year after year.

We can start by changing the field to that grass like the Cardinals have in their stadium that you roll out. Our turf is entirely too hard,that right there can lower our injury risk by 10-15%

Although our turf did help us against the Chiefs giving Charles a concussion, but that's another story for another day

[Superman]

Why is the strength and conditioning coach not being questioned in any of this?

 

Something needs to change. 

 

It seems we are always top 5 in injuries year after year. 

 

 

Who says he's not? Fact is the staff changed when Grigson and Pagano came in. These injuries predate the current staff; who's to say that they wouldn't continue with a new staff? The team has obviously seriously considered this issue over the offseason, and has made adjustments in their approach so far in camp. The answer to fixing issues isn't always just to fire everybody and start from scratch.

 

And in this case, most of the injuries our team dealt with were either freak injuries (the best training staff wouldn't have prevented Reggie's knee from buckling) or contact related (the best training staff wouldn't have prevented Donald Thomas' leg from getting rolled up on). No one could have protected Dwayne Allen's hip from the turf. The recent science has seemed to lean toward proper rest and recovery for soft tissue injuries (like the muscle injuries that guys are dealing with right now). That's what the team is doing. I hope they continue to embrace some of the newer ideas that seem promising. But injuries are going to happen, no matter how progressive you are.

[lollygagger8]

Who says he's not? Fact is the staff changed when Grigson and Pagano came in. 

 

Oh wow, I didn't know they changed the staff too. I thought the same old guys were there. 

 

Thanks man. 

[crazycolt1]

There larger part of the players being sat down are already starters. There will be plenty of time for them to be game ready with four pre season games coming up. Being cautious is not a bad thing at this point.

[HtownColt]

"It's about understanding how much volume (there is) in terms of plays, charting how many plays guys are getting each day, charting how fast they're moving at practice, how many yards they're covering at practice, and then correlating that when the injuries occur," Pagano said. "Is it Day 2, Day 3, Day 4?"

The research brought about the changes you're seeing implemented in camp.

"Based on position, based on age, based on injury history, we were able to formulate a plan for every guy on the 90-man roster and curtail when necessary," Pagano said.

[relishfunk]