Give New England credit. They are still a huge force.....

[jake481]

You are consistently making ever damn thread a Brady vs Manning. You have this love affection for Brady cause he does no wrong and also wins every game by himself according to you

I hope you understand the Pats fans here in Mass just don't think of the Colts all that much. This "Brady vs Peyton Manning rivalry" reminds me of another "famous" rivalry ...the "Hammer vs the nail rivalry".

[ViriLudant]

Jimmy Johnson said he was taught to film handsignals during his first job. Bill Parcels said a lot of the people accusing Belichik of cheating have awfully short memories because every team has a specialist whose job is to figure out signs.

Are you even familiar with the rule Belichik supposedly broke? It was about where the cameras were located. not that they existed.

 

Weak dopes like you like to hang the pats with a "cheater" sign because they've ben handing your team beatings for a long time and it makes you feel better to try to belittle them. The fact is your team lost. They lost fair and square but losers like you will cry and cry about cheating because you aren't man enough to accept that your team is not as good as the most depleted and inexperienced Pats team in years.

Howard Mudd of the Colts was thought of as the best sign stealer in the NFL for years.

CHEATERS!!!!

[amfootball]

The Colts where historic with Peyton!

Yes and Peyton was pretty historic this year as well... ;)  He and Brady are the best of their era hands down.

[basketballsteve]

Yes, it was incredible how the entire Patriots roster stood their yelling "nice trip!" because that's just how clear it was. 

Actually, not what I wrote and unless I was a better lip reader I can't pretend I know the exact words used, however in the two examples put forth, Pagano was visibly upset with Walden's head butt and pulled him aside to impart a message that was obviously negative in tone, whereas BB was obviously affirming the play with a positive response not a correction. Take your homer glasses off.

 

My interest in responding on this thread comes from my own personal bias as coach. I believe that if a coach doesn't comport him/her self with a high level of sportsmanship don't expect that the players will and that cheapens any victory.

 

I understand why Pats fans are so extremely thin skinned regarding their team's history of cheating and poor sportsmanship displays (especially at the end of games by BB). Take heart that the tripping didn't result in a caught cleat or some other result that caused significant injury to Luck resulting in that play being shown over and over and over. The rest of the NFL isn't watching that game with Patriot homer glasses on and me well I'm watching it with my ex coach glasses on and my believe that exhibiting  good sportsmanship is the highest purpose of playing/coaching sports. If Pagano did the same thing and affirmed a play that was a foul I would call him out too.

[TAPLOOK]

I have never seen so much crying over ref calls in a 21 point blowout ... wow.

It's just pathetic. It's sad and funny at the same time.

[House]

It's just pathetic. It's sad and funny at the same time.

Yep. Definitely no "crying" from the Pats fans after the Panthers game. Certainly not after the Jets game either.

I am glad that you can acknowledge that those two games were officiated with 100% accuracy, and in no way affected their respective outcomes.

It's sad and funny at the same time.

[TAPLOOK]

Yep. Definitely no "crying" from the Pats fans after the Panthers game. Certainly not after the Jets game either.

I am glad that you can acknowledge that those two games were officiated with 100% accuracy, and in no way affected their respective outcomes.

It's sad and funny at the same time.

Go check my post on that subject and get back to me.

[House]

Go check my post on that subject and get back to me.

I already know your thoughts. Perfect calls in both games. Refs don't make mistakes, and it's pathetic to even discuss their calls.

Don't worry man. I got you.

[TAPLOOK]

I already know your thoughts. Perfect calls in both games. Refs don't make mistakes, and it's pathetic to even discuss their calls.

Don't worry man. I got you.

I said in those cases "you win some you lose some" The Pats get their share going both ways just like every other team. The refs are actually pretty consistent across the board good and bad. 

[House]

I said in those cases "you win some you lose some" The Pats get their share going both ways just like every other team. The refs are actually pretty consistent across the board good and bad.

What you actually said about the Panthers ending was,

"It was indisputably a bad call but as I said the last game they were screwed by the refs (Baltimore)"It's not the first time and won't be the last".'

By your standards you had a good cry no? I also don't see you bashing your fellow Pats fans for "crying about the call", I sure do wonder why that might be .

You go on to say,

"Personally I'm the "it is what it is type" but you can't blame anyone for complaining and I liked seeing Brady get on the refs."

Can't blame anyone for complaining? Well that isn't consistent with this thread at all is it?

Tons of other gems from you in that thread, but I think your bias is on full display.

[TAPLOOK]

What you actually said about the Panthers ending was,

"It was indisputably a bad call but as I said the last game they were screwed by the refs (Baltimore)"It's not the first time and won't be the last".'

By your standards you had a good cry no? I also don't see you bashing your fellow Pats fans for "crying about the call", I sure do wonder why that might be .

You go on to say,

"Personally I'm the "it is what it is type" but you can't blame anyone for complaining and I liked seeing Brady get on the refs."

Can't blame anyone for complaining? Well that isn't consistent with this thread at all is it?

Tons of other gems from you in that thread, but I think your bias is on full display.

That's one quote pull up some of the other or should I?. "it's not the first and won't be the last" as in it happens all the time. It's not crying in the least.

[House]

That's one quote pull up some of the other or should I?. "it's not the first and won't be the last" as in it happens all the time. It's not crying in the least.

That's actually two quotes, but feel free lol.

http://forums.colts.com/topic/23149-patriots-panthers-great-ending/#

You already admitted yourself as a hypocrite

Also care to comment on you not calling your fellow Pats fans sad and pathetic?

[TAPLOOK]

That's actually two quotes, but feel free lol.

http://forums.colts.com/topic/23149-patriots-panthers-great-ending/#

You already admitted yourself as a hypocrite

Also care to comment on you not calling your fellow Pats fans sad and pathetic?

Hypocrite? I clearly state now and then that it is what it is. You win some you lose some. Bad and missed calls happen every game some more timely than others. That's the NFL as it has always been. As a Patriots fan there was simply never a single moment during the Colts game where I didn't feel the Patriots weren't in complete control. The game was never in doubt. The Colts got blown out.

 

 

 

The Panthers call decided the game so it was very different in the respect but still just a questionable call. Nothing more and nothing less. I can guarantee we'll see more of the same this week. It's part of every game.

[House]

Hypocrite? I clearly state now and then that it is what it is. You win some you lose some. Bad and missed calls happen every game some more timely than others. That's the NFL as it has always been. As a Patriots fan there was simply never a single moment during the Colts game where I didn't feel the Patriots weren't in complete control. The game was never in doubt. The Colts got blown out.

The Panthers call decided the game so it was very different in the respect but still just a questionable call. Nothing more and nothing less. I can guarantee we'll see more of the same this week. It's part of every game.

What was the score when the trip occurred? A one TD difference isn't a "never in doubt" situation.

Same thing. A ref blunder at a critical moment.

And you're a hypocrite because when Colts fans talk about a reffing mistake, they are sad, pathetic and funny.

But when it's the Pats, "you can't blame anyone for complaining."

Funny, but ultimately extremely biased and hypocritical. Not that I expected anything else, but interesting none the less.

[bertjones#1]

The Patriots always have a good offensive line thats the most important part of a football team.The Colts need to focus on getting their line fixed or Andrew Luck will have a short career.Think the Pats and Colts will b the two best teams in the AFC next year.

[CanuckColt]

Yep.   As a team, they are way the he## better than the Colts.

[TAPLOOK]

What was the score when the trip occurred? A one TD difference isn't a "never in doubt" situation.

Same thing. A ref blunder at a critical moment.

And you're a hypocrite because when Colts fans talk about a reffing mistake, they are sad, pathetic and funny.

But when it's the Pats, "you can't blame anyone for complaining."

Funny, but ultimately extremely biased and hypocritical. Not that I expected anything else, but interesting none the less.

The Colts were never going to win that game House. Don't kid yourself but I do respect your optimism. The Patriots scenario was completely different. The call WAS made and REVERSED and DESIDED the GAME. I could understand some complaining in that situation but my stance was and always has been "that's the way it goes".

[House]

The Colts were never going to win that game House. Don't kid yourself but I do respect your optimism. The Patriots scenario was completely different. The call WAS made and REVERSED and DESIDED the GAME. I could understand some complaining in that situation but my stance was and always has been "that's the way it goes".

Lol everyone's a genius in hindsight.

Still. Same scenario. Refs make mistakes. People want to talking about the repercussions of those mistakes. Qualify it however you like.

[jake481]

Actually, not what I wrote and unless I was a better lip reader I can't pretend I know the exact words used, however in the two examples put forth, Pagano was visibly upset with Walden's head butt and pulled him aside to impart a message that was obviously negative in tone, whereas BB was obviously affirming the play with a positive response not a correction. Take your homer glasses off.

 

My interest in responding on this thread comes from my own personal bias as coach. I believe that if a coach doesn't comport him/her self with a high level of sportsmanship don't expect that the players will and that cheapens any victory.

 

I understand why Pats fans are so extremely thin skinned regarding their team's history of cheating and poor sportsmanship displays (especially at the end of games by BB). Take heart that the tripping didn't result in a caught cleat or some other result that caused significant injury to Luck resulting in that play being shown over and over and over. The rest of the NFL isn't watching that game with Patriot homer glasses on and me well I'm watching it with my ex coach glasses on and my believe that exhibiting  good sportsmanship is the highest purpose of playing/coaching sports. If Pagano did the same thing and affirmed a play that was a foul I would call him out too.

Your entire premise rests on the belief that anyone believed the play was anything other than legal. If Luck had BEEN tripped and it was called as a trip ..and THEN Belichik gave him a big "attaboy" you might have a point. That's simply NOT what happened.

 

The Pats DON'T get any special treatment from the refs and there's plenty of empirical evidence to PROVE it. Look at the three games this season that the Pats lost specifically because of odd or "bad" calls. One game was decided on a foul that had NEVER BEEN CALLED BEFORE.

 

The real point should be that any Colts fans who blame the refs when their QB couldn't stop giving the ball to the wrong team is definitely blaming the wrong people for the loss.

[jake481]

Lol everyone's a genius in hindsight.

Still. Same scenario. Refs make mistakes. People want to talking about the repercussions of those mistakes. Qualify it however you like.

Discussing bad calls is completely different than blaming refs for a loss when your QB threw so many int's. 

[jake481]

too pats cheating too them is normal and ok as long it a win.  refs know it let them do it.

Dude ...you can't write a single complete sentence, I seriously doubt you understand the fairly complex game of football if you can't tell the difference between "too" and "to" or when to capitalize letters.

[jake481]

Howard Mudd of the Colts was thought of as the best sign stealer in the NFL for years.

CHEATERS!!!!

I wish every person who accused the pats of cheating would read the "Bleacher Report article: The Truth about Spygate". It's the single best written argument on the subject I've ever read. It's amazing how so many people like to make something out of it that's 100% incorrect. 

 

When Jimmy Johnson, Schottenheimer and Bill Parcells (and even Mangini!) all think the issue was incredibly overblown, it should be examined and understood.

[jake481]

Actually, not what I wrote and unless I was a better lip reader I can't pretend I know the exact words used, however in the two examples put forth, Pagano was visibly upset with Walden's head butt and pulled him aside to impart a message that was obviously negative in tone, whereas BB was obviously affirming the play with a positive response not a correction. Take your homer glasses off.

 

My interest in responding on this thread comes from my own personal bias as coach. I believe that if a coach doesn't comport him/her self with a high level of sportsmanship don't expect that the players will and that cheapens any victory.

 

I understand why Pats fans are so extremely thin skinned regarding their team's history of cheating and poor sportsmanship displays (especially at the end of games by BB). Take heart that the tripping didn't result in a caught cleat or some other result that caused significant injury to Luck resulting in that play being shown over and over and over. The rest of the NFL isn't watching that game with Patriot homer glasses on and me well I'm watching it with my ex coach glasses on and my believe that exhibiting  good sportsmanship is the highest purpose of playing/coaching sports. If Pagano did the same thing and affirmed a play that was a foul I would call him out too.

You do agree the headbutt was blatant and unmistakable, right?

 

Can you really claim that the "missed trip" call was anything even remotely as straightforward and unmissable as that headbutt? REALLY? Remember,  there was no tripping call made. Not because the refs saw it and decided against calling it (unless you're one of the people who think the officials don't make calls against the Pats) but because THEY DIDN'T SEE IT. Because it (arguably) didn't happen. 

[House]

Discussing bad calls is completely different than blaming refs for a loss when your QB threw so many int's.

.

You will try won't you?

I get that it was against Pats fans and that's why they are so up in arms about "ref blaming", but literally every fan base does it. So to sit here and pass judgment like this is the first time a refs call has been questioned is stupid.

And for the record I have blamed the refs minimally for our loss. Tons of factors played into it. BUT the refs also let us down.

[House]

You do agree the headbutt was blatant and unmistakable, right?

Can you really claim that the "missed trip" call was anything even remotely as straightforward and unmissable as that headbutt? REALLY? Remember, there was no tripping call made. Not because the refs saw it and decided against calling it (unless you're one of the people who think the officials don't make calls against the Pats) but because THEY DIDN'T SEE IT. Because it (arguably) didn't happen.

They're paid to see calls. If they miss it they don't get let off the hook lol.

And even the biggest Pats homer on this board has conceded it was a trip, and an intentional one at that. Pretending it didn't happen is just foolish at this point. Unless you have better proof then Mike Pereira, and you know, video evidence.

[jake481]

Yep. And one Lombardi with the help of the highly questionable Tuck rule game. Also, no Lombardi's post Spygate. Congrats!

They scored more points than any other team in the season following "spygate". They've also had the best record in the NFL since then. If the one and only yardstick for greatness is Lombardis they're still one of the greatest football teams in the history of the game, but if you believe in ANY other way to measure greatness they are undoubtedly the greatest football team in the history of the NFL. 

 

But hey, you can keep on pretending the "spygate" issue (which I'm sure you have no understanding of) keeps them from some lofty immaterial "integrity" then go ahead. Hopefully it makes you feel better while you're crying yourself to sleep on your Colts pillow.

[Colts_Fan12]

Why are you pats trolls still here? Why don't you go annoy the bronco fans on their forum? Better yet just go back to your own forum and accept cheating and having a dirtbag team together!!

[Horse Shoe Heaven]

Hypocrite? I clearly state now and then that it is what it is. You win some you lose some. Bad and missed calls happen every game some more timely than others. That's the NFL as it has always been. As a Patriots fan there was simply never a single moment during the Colts game where I didn't feel the Patriots weren't in complete control. The game was never in doubt. The Colts got blown out.

 

 

 

The Panthers call decided the game so it was very different in the respect but still just a questionable call. Nothing more and nothing less. I can guarantee we'll see more of the same this week. It's part of every game.

The panther call was correct, & if you never thought your team might lose that game when we where 7 down late in the game then you are a fool & in denial!!

[Horse Shoe Heaven]

I wish every person who accused the pats of cheating would read the "Bleacher Report article: The Truth about Spygate". It's the single best written argument on the subject I've ever read. It's amazing how so many people like to make something out of it that's 100% incorrect. 

 

When Jimmy Johnson, Schottenheimer and Bill Parcells (and even Mangini!) all think the issue was incredibly overblown, it should be examined and understood.

That why NE was fined & lost draft picks, Yep completely over blown. Just like A-ROD

[OLD FAN MAN]

It all starts with coaching. NE is loaded with the best in the league in coaching, player talent, and depth at nearly every position.

yes and the coaches know a team lives and dies by its lines, and they have them

[basketballsteve]

Your entire premise rests on the belief that anyone believed the play was anything other than legal. If Luck had BEEN tripped and it was called as a trip ..and THEN Belichik gave him a big "attaboy" you might have a point. That's simply NOT what happened.

 

The Pats DON'T get any special treatment from the refs and there's plenty of empirical evidence to PROVE it. Look at the three games this season that the Pats lost specifically because of odd or "bad" calls. One game was decided on a foul that had NEVER BEEN CALLED BEFORE.

 

The real point should be that any Colts fans who blame the refs when their QB couldn't stop giving the ball to the wrong team is definitely blaming the wrong people for the loss.

my exact words on the refs not calling a trip were "so what" that happens but your m.o. is either to argue against something that was not said, against an idea that was not expressed (I expressed no opinion as to the fairness of the calls in that game or any game the Pats have ever played) or to conflate what I wrote with something someone else my have expressed I placed no blame on the loss of that game (not on Luck, or the refs, or the calls).

I'd like to think you have a reading comprehension problem or because you're trolling so much it's hard for you to keep all the ongoing post straights as to who said what.

However, since you start with the premise that noone could see the play and believe Luck was tripped (I guess the announcers don't count) then your lack of ability to be objective renders my ability to express my opinions regarding coaching comportment as a wasted effort..... my apology for taking your time.

[OldManP]

Why are you pats trolls still here? Why don't you go annoy the bronco fans on their forum? Better yet just go back to your own forum and accept cheating and having a dirtbag team together!!

Wow, that's much worse than what "others" received warning points for.

[Colts_Fan12]

Wow, that's much worse than what "others" received warning points for.

How so?