PFF grades vs Jags

[HtownColt]

@TylerDBrooke: Highest graded offensive #Colts players this week from @PFF: Thornton (+3.1), Hilton (+2.5), Castonzo (+2.1). Lowest: Linkenbach (-3.4), Saunders (-1.4)

@TylerDBrooke: Best Colts defensive players were Mathis (+5.0), Freeman (+4.5), Walden (+2.2). Lowest: Moala (-1.3), Mathews/Studebaker/Johnson (-1.0)

[CS Colts Fan]

thanks...   Thornton has been schooled under fire and he may be heading the right direction and the timing is great hope he continues his improvement through out the Post Season

[Dustin]

Fleener finishes the year with the lowest drop rate of any TE in the NFL at 1.89%.

[Franklin County]

thanks...   Thornton has been schooled under fire and he may be heading the right direction and the timing is great hope he continues his improvement through out the Post Season

I really like Thornton. I know a few here don't and will be very vocal about it. I think(IMO) he has been playing through injury for a while now. And is finally getting healthy along with getting more experience. I hope he continues to get better in the future.

[Superman]

Fleener finishes the year with the lowest drop rate of any TE in the NFL at 1.89%.

 

Bust.

[Franklin County]

Fleener finishes the year with the lowest drop rate of any TE in the NFL at 1.89%.

That's great for a second year TE or anybody as far as that goes.

 

He must have hands like a tree frog.   "SPLAT"

[CS Colts Fan]

I really like Thornton. I know a few here don't and will be very vocal about it. I think(IMO) he has been playing through injury for a while now. And is finally getting healthy along with getting more experience. I hope he continues to get better in the future.

me too... I have wondered why we didn't / haven't played him @ RG his more natural position... but the coaches see and know more than us ... if he does go over to RG next year I would think it would make him even stronger ... 

[jvan1973]

Fleener finishes the year with the lowest drop rate of any TE in the NFL at 1.89%.

Wasted pick... omg total bust

[Franklin County]

me too... I have wondered why we didn't / haven't played him @ RG his more natural position... but the coaches see and know more than us ... if he does go over to RG next year I would think it would make him even stronger ... 

I have been wanting to see him on the right side all year too.

[Franklin County]

Wasted pick... omg total bust

I know right.... and he is so short I don't know how Luck even see's him in traffic.

[HtownColt]

@Colts_Comments: For the fourth week in a row, neither Gosder Cherilus nor Anthony Castonzo allowed a sack.

#Bookends

[TKnight24]

@Colts_Comments: For the fourth week in a row, neither Gosder Cherilus nor Anthony Castonzo allowed a sack.

#Bookends

The Guardian Eagles are soaring high

[PeterBowman]

@Colts_Comments: For the fourth week in a row, neither Gosder Cherilus nor Anthony Castonzo allowed a sack.

#Bookends

if Thornton keeps progressing well and Donald Thomas recovers well next year and, Colts are only a center away from having an overall solid O Line

[BlueCollarColts]

Well this past draft hasn't been great for Grigs, but Bjoern Werner and Hugh Thornton are looking like they will be good players in the near future

[cdgacoltsfan]

if Thornton keeps progressing well and Donald Thomas recovers well next year and, Colts are only a center away from having an overall solid O Line

Our future center is already on the roster...his name is Holmes

[dudeski]

Well this past draft hasn't been great for Grigs, but Bjoern Werner and Hugh Thornton are looking like they will be good players in the near future

i don't know about that. Hughes and Thornton seem to be progressing. I think Thornton is going to be very good

If Werner picks it up, the draft will have been fine

[Coffeedrinker]

I really like Thornton. I know a few here don't and will be very vocal about it. I think(IMO) he has been playing through injury for a while now. And is finally getting healthy along with getting more experience. I hope he continues to get better in the future.

I will throw my hat in with you as well.  I have liked Thornton from the very first pre-season game.  His movement at his size is fantastic.  Where is improvement has come from the last few games he has played is keeping his head on a swivel.  In college the defenses are a lot less complicated than an NFL D and Thornton had a tendency to get tunnel vision once he was engaged with a defender.  The last couple of weeks he has been much better at keeping track of his defender while still "looking around" and he's making better decisions on when to release his defender to pick up someone else or stay with his defender.

 

The PFF grades kind of confirm what I saw during the game, Thornton played well, (Holmes played at guard for at least one play in place of Thornton and did well), Link is still bad, although he did play better than McGlynn at guard and Satele looks a lot better when he has average to good guard play around him..  I hope the Colts spend a 2nd or 3rd rounder on another guard next year.  Thomas is good but, like other players with injury histories he just cannot be counted on for a full season.

[PeterBowman]

Well this past draft hasn't been great for Grigs, but Bjoern Werner and Hugh Thornton are looking like they will be good players in the near future

The picks on this past draft are just taking a little longer to develope than last years. I don't think you're going to see immediate return on a draft like last years very often. But the way Werner, Thorton, Holmes, keep progressing, I think this draft will still be good. Heck even Hughes has shown flashes.

[FightLikeSin]

if Thornton keeps progressing well and Donald Thomas recovers well next year and, Colts are only a center away from having an overall solid O Line

 

Holmes was solid at guard from the plays I saw he was in on. He was later moved to Center when #8 came in I believe. 

[FightLikeSin]

i don't know about that. Hughes and Thornton seem to be progressing. I think Thornton is going to be very good

If Werner picks it up, the draft will have been fine

 

I've noticed Werner a lot more recently with the swatted passes and the couple sacks here in recent games. Seems to be progressing!

[Dustin]

Mathis finishes as the 2nd ranked 34 OLB on the year. 7th in pass rush productivity.

 

If anyone wants to know anyone elses stats, just ask me and i'll post them.

[Smurphy1]

The picks on this past draft are just taking a little longer to develope than last years. I don't think you're going to see immediate return on a draft like last years very often. But the way Werner, Thorton, Holmes, keep progressing, I think this draft will still be good. Heck even Hughes has shown flashes.

Most of our picks this year were projects of some sort. It's still not completely obvious who will pan out but I think this will end up being a good draft.

[Franklin County]

Holmes was solid at guard from the plays I saw he was in on. He was later moved to Center when #8 came in I believe. 

On Whalens TD Holmes was the first man to him to pick him up off the ground. Dude hustled up there to the goal line pretty fast.

[HtownColt]

@mchappell51: #colts LB Robt Mathis: What got Colts back on track? Players' only meeting,after Rams (he thinks).Men talking,holding each other accountable

[Superman]

Mathis finishes as the 2nd ranked 34 OLB on the year. 7th in pass rush productivity.

 

If anyone wants to know anyone elses stats, just ask me and i'll post them.

 

Can you post the splits for the offensive linemen, pass blocking vs run blocking?

[Dustin]

Can you post the splits for the offensive linemen, pass blocking vs run blocking?

 

For the whole season:

 

 

Cherilus: +10.3 pass block, -1.9 run block, 4 sacks, 12 hits and 29 hurries

 

Castanzo: -0.1 pass block, +7.6 run block,4 sacks, 8 hits, 38 hurries

 

McGlynn: -12.8 pass block, -10.8 run block, 4 sacks, 11 hits, 26 hurries

 

Thornton: -14.5 pass block, -3.0 run block, 7 sacks, 16 hits, 14 hurries

 

Satele: -0.2 pass block, -13.2 run block, 1 sack, 8 hits, 6 hurries

 

Reitz: +1.9 pass block, +2.6 run block, 0 sacks, 0 hits, 2 hurries

 

Link: -2.9 pass block, -6.4 run block, 2 sacks, 2 hits, 12 hurries

[Guest TeamLoloJones]

For the whole season:

 

 

Cherilus: +10.3 pass block, -1.9 run block, 4 sacks, 12 hits and 29 hurries

 

Castanzo: -0.1 pass block, +7.6 run block,4 sacks, 8 hits, 38 hurries

 

McGlynn: -12.8 pass block, -10.8 run block, 4 sacks, 11 hits, 26 hurries

 

Thornton: -14.5 pass block, -3.0 run block, 7 sacks, 16 hits, 14 hurries

 

Satele: -0.2 pass block, -13.2 run block, 1 sack, 8 hits, 6 hurries

 

Reitz: +1.9 pass block, +2.6 run block, 0 sacks, 0 hits, 2 hurries

 

Link: -2.9 pass block, -6.4 run block, 2 sacks, 2 hits, 12 hurries

It's amazing how close those numbers (in relation to each other) are to the casual fan's eye test.

[dudeski]

It's amazing how close those numbers (in relation to each other) are to the casual fan's eye test.

the people grading are casual fans. They aren't experts

[Superman]

For the whole season:

 

 

Cherilus: +10.3 pass block, -1.9 run block, 4 sacks, 12 hits and 29 hurries

 

Castanzo: -0.1 pass block, +7.6 run block,4 sacks, 8 hits, 38 hurries

 

McGlynn: -12.8 pass block, -10.8 run block, 4 sacks, 11 hits, 26 hurries

 

Thornton: -14.5 pass block, -3.0 run block, 7 sacks, 16 hits, 14 hurries

 

Satele: -0.2 pass block, -13.2 run block, 1 sack, 8 hits, 6 hurries

 

Reitz: +1.9 pass block, +2.6 run block, 0 sacks, 0 hits, 2 hurries

 

Link: -2.9 pass block, -6.4 run block, 2 sacks, 2 hits, 12 hurries

 

Thank you. (Where's Thomas?)

 

I think the key to our offensive line taking the next step is what we do at center and right guard. According to PFF, Cherilus isn't great blocking the run. We need a right guard who is. Can that be Thornton? He's the wild card.

 

And there's still a big question mark at center, where I get the feeling we're going to give Holmes a shot. I'd like to see us grab a couple of veteran backups who can start if necessary (it's time we found our Matt Slauson or Brian de la Puente, cheap vet who plays great on a one year deal while we groom young guys).

[Superman]

the people grading are casual fans. They aren't experts

 

Casual fans don't watch and grade every snap. PFF is not expert, but there's a huge difference between what they do and what casual fans do.

[OffensivelyPC]

For the whole season:

 

 

Cherilus: +10.3 pass block, -1.9 run block, 4 sacks, 12 hits and 29 hurries

 

Castanzo: -0.1 pass block, +7.6 run block,4 sacks, 8 hits, 38 hurries

 

McGlynn: -12.8 pass block, -10.8 run block, 4 sacks, 11 hits, 26 hurries

 

Thornton: -14.5 pass block, -3.0 run block, 7 sacks, 16 hits, 14 hurries

 

Satele: -0.2 pass block, -13.2 run block, 1 sack, 8 hits, 6 hurries

 

Reitz: +1.9 pass block, +2.6 run block, 0 sacks, 0 hits, 2 hurries

 

Link: -2.9 pass block, -6.4 run block, 2 sacks, 2 hits, 12 hurries

McGlynn...lol

[dudeski]

Casual fans don't watch and grade every snap. PFF is not expert, but there's a huge difference between what they do and what casual fans do.

true

Casual fans I guess is the wrong term. Casual fans have no idea who us on the field at any given time.

[Dustin]

Thank you. (Where's Thomas?)

 

I think the key to our offensive line taking the next step is what we do at center and right guard. According to PFF, Cherilus isn't great blocking the run. We need a right guard who is. Can that be Thornton? He's the wild card.

 

And there's still a big question mark at center, where I get the feeling we're going to give Holmes a shot. I'd like to see us grab a couple of veteran backups who can start if necessary (it's time we found our Matt Slauson or Brian de la Puente, cheap vet who plays great on a one year deal while we groom young guys).

 

Sorry here's Thomas:

 

Pass block: +0.3, run block +1.1, 0 sacks, 1 hit, 2 hurries.

 

Keep in kind that he only played 72 snaps and the grades aren't normalized by how many snaps they played, so this is pretty good for only a handful of plays.

[Dustin]

It's amazing how close those numbers (in relation to each other) are to the casual fan's eye test.

 

Reminded me of this for some reason

 

 

[Superman]

Sorry here's Thomas:

 

Pass block: +0.3, run block +1.1, 0 sacks, 1 hit, 2 hurries.

 

Keep in kind that he only played 72 snaps and the grades aren't normalized by how many snaps they played, so this is pretty good for only a handful of plays.

 

Right, it's not a weighted average, it's just tally marks. Good job by Thomas.

[Day at the Hilton]

Mathis finishes as the 2nd ranked 34 OLB on the year. 7th in pass rush productivity.

If anyone wants to know anyone elses stats, just ask me and i'll post them.

Could you please post Werners stats for the year pass rush vs run?

[Dustin]

Could you please post Werners stats for the year pass rush vs run?

Pass rush: -8.0, -0.4 run defense. 3 sacks, 0 hits, 10 hurries.

So he was bad as a pass rusher, and about average in the run game (according to thier stats)

[Dustin]

Vontae Davis finished the year with the 2nd highest coverage grade in the NFL among cornerbacks. (+12.8)

[John Waylon]

Vontae Davis finished the year with the 2nd highest coverage grade in the NFL among cornerbacks. (+12.8)

 

Davis had a kind of up and down year. He was lights out till the bye. Then he was pretty shaky for a few weeks, and came back alive in the second half of the Bengals game. Up to the bye week he was, IMO, the best defensive player in the league. 

 

And he didn't need any fancy pharmaceuticals to do it. (Looking at you here, Seattle...) 

[Guest TeamLoloJones]

Vontae Davis finished the year with the 2nd highest coverage grade in the NFL among cornerbacks. (+12.8)

Don't tell his agent that.