StewieG Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 I think he will. The rules have changed quite a bit for QBs since Peytons first year.What do you guys think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKnight24 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 You ask a lot of Questions Stewie lolBut I definitely think he'll have a better season. One of the reasons being, IMO I think Luck has a better Defense then Peyton did so this should also be a + for Luck to do better.PS: I was not into Football when Peyton's Rookie year happened. I was either 4-5 years old. So if anyone thinks that the Defense Peyton had was better, I'd have to take your word for it since I was little lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smonroe Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 I think he will. The rules have changed quite a bit for QBs since Peytons first year.What do you guys think?How do you qualify "better"? Statistically or more wins? QB rating? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smonroe Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 You ask a lot of Questions Stewie lolBut I definitely think he'll have a better season. One of the reasons being, IMO I think Luck has a better Defense then Peyton did so this should also be a + for Luck to do better.PS: I was not into Football when Peyton's Rookie year happened. I was either 4-5 years old. So if anyone thinks that the Defense Peyton had was better, I'd have to take your word for it since I was little lolNo, the defense was horrible. The O was better than what Luck has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gramz Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 How do you qualify "better"? Statistically or more wins? QB rating? That was going to be my question. You beat me to it. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StewieG Posted August 28, 2012 Author Share Posted August 28, 2012 How do you qualify "better"? Statistically or more wins? QB rating?Stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fx Stryker Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 The team will probably do better, but Manning had the best season for a rookie possible. However Luck might not throw as many pick. The game is easier these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireJimCaldwell Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 No, the defense was horrible. The O was better than what Luck has.Even that is arguable. Running BacksFaulk is better than any back on the 98 team, but the trio that will see the field this year, will be productive. I doubt this years group see's the amount of passes that Faulk saw.Wide Receivers18 had a young Marvin and that is it. Luck has far better group of receivers.Tight Ends.Dilger & Pollard were solid, but if push comes to shove I'd take Allen and Fleener.OLSome will argue Glenn & Meadows are better than the tackles playing this year and overall they are, but they were young and about on par with what you see here now, they certainly weren't anything special at that point. A couple of young guys and a couple of vets looking for last/second chances... If anything I'd give the OL a push and call the sum of each OL about equal.Defense I'd say this year has the edge.Special teams, I would say that this year has the edge as well.They should win more games.He should have better stats based on the way the game was played.We also didn't discard a hall of famer in 1998 for Manning, so Luck has higher expectations whether they are fair or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKnight24 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 No, the defense was horrible. The O was better than what Luck has.Well you know the saying "defense wins championships" lolIronically, it did when we beat CHI. Crazy how an Offensive Powerhouse became a Defensive Powerhouse in one Post-Season. Then after that, started to fall apart lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark5362 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 I think the team will have more wins, but I don't think Andrews stats will be better.Peyton had a better o-line and he had more good vet players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark5362 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Well you know the saying "defense wins championships" lolIronically, it did when we beat CHI. Crazy how an Offensive Powerhouse became a Defensive Powerhouse in one Post-Season. Then after that, started to fall apart lolThat was true back 20 + yrs ago,not so much today (however it helps) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HtownColt Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Luck stats would be inflated compared to Mannings being that the rules has changed drastically since Mannigs rookie year, so of course Luck's numbers are going to be better. Now if Luck had to play when the NFL let defensive backs harrass receivers up and down the field then this would be a fair question to ask Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Well you know the saying "defense wins championships" lolIronically, it did when we beat CHI. Crazy how an Offensive Powerhouse became a Defensive Powerhouse in one Post-Season. Then after that, started to fall apart lolThe emergence of young 6th round rookie Antoine Bethea certainly helped. The guy was a play maker right away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fx Stryker Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 The emergence of young 6th round rookie Antoine Bethea certainly helped. The guy was a play maker right away.And having Bob Sanders back in time. Certainly kept Larry Johnson in check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gramz Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 this reminded me of something I heard Peyton say a few days ago...... "It's like I'm a rookie all over again, only I'm not allowed to play like a rookie" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 And having Bob Sanders back in time. Certainly kept Larry Johnson in check.Great S tandem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 this reminded me of something I heard Peyton say a few days ago...... "It's like I'm a rookie all over again, only I'm not allowed to play like a rookie"Yeah, I think that was in an interview on the sideline if the 49ers game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKnight24 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 The emergence of young 6th round rookie Antoine Bethea certainly helped. The guy was a play maker right away.He was, & still is. Can't wait for him to get his 1st pick in this NEW Defense. He got it at PIT, but I mean the one that Actually counts.I'm waiting on his Pick, Mathis', Freeney's, & Powers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash7 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Being that we haven't shown much in the running game thus far, I would guess that we will rely heavely on the pass. So Luck may end up having better stats. I think that he will have more wins, (he needs to win more than 3 games). I also think that he will have less INT's because the passing game so far has shown to have a lot of short and intermediate routes. He will not be taking too many chances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireJimCaldwell Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Oh can a mod add part DCCVII to the title? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allcolts Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 If the oline holds up i think he will for sure... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKnight24 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 I definitely see us having more than 3 Wins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coltsman1788 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 He's got a shot. Hopefully he can approach 26 TD's but not throw 28 INT's. Don't know if he'll go over 3,700 yards first time out though with a young receiving core. He might not beat out Peyton's rookie year statistically (only Cam has) but right now he is further along developmentally than when Peyton first came into the league. It will be interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 I doubt it but that has more to do with our O Line then anything but he has been playing well despite his O Line so who knows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gramz Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Oh can a mod add part DCCVII to the title? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Oh can a mod add part DCCVII to the title?Let's not get carried away. It's no more than DCXXXVIII. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Let's not get carried away. It's no more than DCXXXVIII.Ok I got lost at D LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gramz Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Ok I got lost at D LOL but, of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ztboiler Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 The way I look at it is that Peyton redefined the position - he has made possible what Luck is about to do. QB's come to the league more prepared today as rookies because of the preparation standard set by QB's of the last 15 years. Manning is the poster child for that. It is more of a passing league, defensive rules are restrictive, and the statistics are watered down as a result. Manning and contemporaries were change agents for all that. As a result, yes, I think Luck will have a better rookie season than Peyton did - more wins, more yards, more TD's and fewer picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 I think Luck will throw fewer interceptions for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StewieG Posted August 28, 2012 Author Share Posted August 28, 2012 The way I look at it is that Peyton redefined the position - he has made possible what Luck is about to do. QB's come to the league more prepared today as rookies because of the preparation standard set by QB's of the last 15 years. Manning is the poster child for that. It is more of a passing league, defensive rules are restrictive, and the statistics are watered down as a result. Manning and contemporaries were change agents for all that. As a result, yes, I think Luck will have a better rookie season than Peyton did - more wins, more yards, more TD's and fewer picks.I couldn't agree more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireJimCaldwell Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Ok I got lost at D LOLThat's what she said...Sorry... that one was right down the pipe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireJimCaldwell Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Let's not get carried away. It's no more than DCXXXVIII.Poe-tay-toe Pah-tah-toeZoo-key-knee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 That's what she said...Sorry... that one was right down the pipe.You're serving up grapefruits...But I must desist, being a mod and all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewColtsFan Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 Yes and yes.Yes, I think the 2012 Colts will have a better record than the 1998 Colts. More than 3 wins? Yes.And yes, I think Luck will have better stats than Manning. Not because he's better, but because all the rules changes of the last 15 years favor the offense. Luck should have better stats than Peyton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireJimCaldwell Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 You're serving up grapefruits...But I must desist, being a mod and all.It's okay for mod's to have a sense of humor.. Or is that in the handbook under "You cannot have"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 It's okay for mod's to have a sense of humor.. Or is that in the handbook under "You cannot have"?I at least noticed the opportunity, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireJimCaldwell Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 I at least noticed the opportunity, right?That you did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coltsince4 Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 Fewer interceptions and more wins!!!!Coltsince4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smonroe Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 Even that is arguable. Running BacksFaulk is better than any back on the 98 team, but the trio that will see the field this year, will be productive. I doubt this years group see's the amount of passes that Faulk saw.Wide Receivers18 had a young Marvin and that is it. Luck has far better group of receivers.Tight Ends.Dilger & Pollard were solid, but if push comes to shove I'd take Allen and Fleener.OLSome will argue Glenn & Meadows are better than the tackles playing this year and overall they are, but they were young and about on par with what you see here now, they certainly weren't anything special at that point. A couple of young guys and a couple of vets looking for last/second chances... If anything I'd give the OL a push and call the sum of each OL about equal.Defense I'd say this year has the edge.Special teams, I would say that this year has the edge as well.They should win more games.He should have better stats based on the way the game was played.We also didn't discard a hall of famer in 1998 for Manning, so Luck has higher expectations whether they are fair or not.That's fair. We also have the luxury of looking back at the 98 team to see what they eventually became. Who knows, Costanza could be better than Glenn. Reitz and Angerer, and even Hughes could be guys that we'll be saying were great 15 years from now. Link could end up being an all... never mind, no one will believe that one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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