Chappell reports sprained AC joint for Richardson (MERGE)

[NJFanatic]

43 minutes ago, Indianapolis-Colts-Fan said:

you could easily build this team to surround Minshew and have a lot of success if that is what the team wanted to do. He’s good enough, and I think he’s better than Jimmy G. 

Jimmy G as starter W-L 55-23

G.Minshew as starter W-L 16-21

I do believe though Minshew can hold the fort till AR returns

[chad72]

15 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

The issue with Minshew is he doesn’t pose a deep threat and makes it easier to stop the run.

 

He may not have a live arm like AR but if he sees 1-on-1s, he can soften the D by completing a few 20 plus yard passes by leading the WR, IMO. Accuracy in the intermediate range is something he can accomplish.

 

1 minute ago, NJFanatic said:

Jimmy G as starter W-L 55-23

G.Minshew as starter W-L 16-21

I do believe though Minshew can hold the fort till AR returns

 

W-L is a team record. Jimmy G's talent on the 49ers trumped the talent assembled around Minshew as starter, IMO. John Lynch did a fabulous job.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

I will say having a home run threat at RB will help open up the pass. Now it seems we have two. Saw a chart the other day and colts are really good at YAC when throwing behind the LOS. So screen passes ect.

[2006Coltsbestever]

41 minutes ago, BeanDiasucci said:

I'm not shocked by that. Those are decent numbers and Minshew has always looked pretty good to me. He looked really good in upsetting the Colts in their season opener a couple of years ago, right? He's above 68% completions so far this season, though, and needs to stay close to that. 63% is toward the bottom of the league these days.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/player/_/table/passing/sort/completionPct/dir/desc

Off the top of my head, QB's that are starting right now, that Mustache is better than IMO are:

Dobbs (Cards), he would be the starter there.

 

Young (Panthers), he would be the starter there, Dalton is washed. Young is the worst out of the 3 main rooks.

 

Howell (Commanders), he would be the starter there. 

 

Love (Packers), he would be the starter there.

 

Wilson (Jets), he would be the starter with Rodgers being out.

 

Mac Jones (Patriots), he would be the starter there. BB would love to have him at this point.

 

Jimmy G (Raiders), he would be the starter there, and 2 years ago I thought Jimmy G was good. He won a lot as a starter but that was 2 years ago. Now not so much.

 

I am not sure he isn't better than Tannehill (Tennessee) at this point. Tannehill has had a couple good years as a starter being 2020 and 2021, nice playoff run in 2019 but that was all Henry pretty much. Mustache is a lot younger. I think Tannehill's days are about numbered. If they lose a couple more of games in a row, I can see Levis taking over.

 

So if you include Tannehill, I just named 8 teams that realistically Mustache could start for.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[DougDew]

1 hour ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Injuries happen all the time, I think because it is AR, his injury is more magnified in here. I don't wish injury on anyone, but if Stroud gets injured, I wonder what the comments in here would be and to me he is a pocket passer. He takes a lot of hits and has been sacked a lot. 

 

1 hour ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

We have our QB in AR so we will have stability eventually. He is only 21, just has had some bad luck so far IMO. He could play the next 5 years and never get injured for all we know.

AR could simply be built more fragile than Stroud, or any other QB you want to compare him to.  With the relatively routine hits he's taken, I would say that his injuries are the result of something about his physiology at this point and not just three occurrences of bad luck.   Weight training, strength training?  A human body can be big and fast genetically, but not necessarily as tough as it needs to be to hold up to physical punishment without a lot of work.

 

The running QB vs pocket passer doesn't really apply if you're talking about two differently constructed bodies (not saying that AR is fragile, but not saying he isn't either).  If you compare apples to apples, then there is no doubt that the running QB is likely to get injured more than the pocket passer....especially with the rules that say tackling the passer by the legs is forbidden.  

[#12.]

17 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

The issue with Minshew is he doesn’t pose a deep threat and makes it easier to stop the run.

 

Jim Bob and Steichen can now spend all their time scheming things up for Minshew.  They'll scheme up some chunk stuff.  

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

 

Also with Minshew makes execution even more important because you don’t have the unscripted extension of plays.

[Indianapolis-Colts-Fan]

10 minutes ago, NJFanatic said:

Jimmy G as starter W-L 55-23

G.Minshew as starter W-L 16-21

I do believe though Minshew can hold the fort till AR returns

the 49ers are undefeated this year and are always in the playoffs. I don’t think that showing their perspective records is a fair comparison. 

[2006Coltsbestever]

7 minutes ago, DougDew said:

 

AR could simply be built more fragile than Stroud, or any other QB you want to compare him to.  With the relatively routine hits he's taken, I would say that his injuries are the result of something about his physiology at this point and not just three occurrences of bad luck.   Weight training, strength training?  A human body can be big and fast genetically, but not necessarily as tough as it needs to be to hold up to physical punishment without a lot of work.

 

The running QB vs pocket passer doesn't really apply if you're talking about two differently constructed bodies (not saying that AR is fragile, but not saying he isn't either).  If you compare apples to apples, then there is no doubt that the running QB is likely to get injured more than the pocket passer....especially with the rules that say tackling the passer by the legs is forbidden.  

Good points. I heard on the Bowen show this morning that his size could be hurting him, he is hitting the turf with more impact and he may not even be done growing because he is only 21 which is related to bone structure. I don't know anything about that but just passing on what the guys were talking about on his show earlier. 

[2006Coltsbestever]

5 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

 

Also with Minshew makes execution even more important because you don’t have the unscripted extension of plays.

Carson Wentz 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

1 minute ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Good points. I heard on the Bowen show this morning that his size could be hurting him, he is hitting the turf with more impact and he may not even be done growing because he is only 21 which is related to bone structure. I don't know anything about that but just passing on what the guys were talking about on his show earlier. 

I said this yesterday and it makes sense.

[Solid84]

On 10/9/2023 at 2:03 PM, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

 

So out up to 6 weeks and then likely a week (maybe two?) to get up to speed? Week 13 return?

[2006Coltsbestever]

2 minutes ago, Solid84 said:

So out up to 6 weeks and then likely a week (maybe two?) to get up to speed? Week 13 return?

Best case scenario is, he is only out 4 games but that is wishful thinking on my part.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

1 minute ago, Solid84 said:

So out up to 6 weeks and then likely a week (maybe two?) to get up to speed? Week 13 return?

 

2 minutes ago, Solid84 said:

So out up to 6 weeks and then likely a week (maybe two?) to get up to speed? Week 13 return?

This was from yesterday. We will see what the treatment plan is after specialist look at it. Stafford had surgery on his grade 3 so don’t rule it out.

[Superman]

14 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:

And I say all that as someone who called this season a semi-tank job.  But that was BEFORE the season started.   It was based on moves the team made AND didn’t make PRIOR to the season beginning.  But once it starts, you don’t handcuff your new head coach.

 

People use the word "tank" in a lot of different ways, and it bugs me. If a team decides to play a younger player over a more known quantity veteran, people start accusing them of tanking.

 

For me, this was a 'let's see what we have' season for the Colts. Still is, IMO. We needed to know if the OL is as bad as it looked last year, and if our new coaching staff can get some improvements out of them. We need to know if any of the young guys in the secondary can play (Flowers was playing well, Brents looks promising), and whether some of the third/fourth year guys will step up (Blackmon in particular). Most importantly, do we have a HC/QB combo that we can win with.

 

I think this kind of evaluation is a very important part of team building. I don't think it's tanking. And I agree with you, there's no way you evaluate your team after a month and say 'it's looking promising, now let's shut it down so we can get a better draft spot.' 

[TheEdgeis1]

26 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Off the top of my head, QB's that are starting right now, that Mustache is better than IMO are:

Dobbs (Cards), he would be the starter there.

 

Young (Panthers), he would be the starter there, Dalton is washed. Young is the worst out of the 3 main rooks.

 

Howell (Commanders), he would be the starter there. 

 

Love (Packers), he would be the starter there.

 

Wilson (Jets), he would be the starter with Rodgers being out.

 

Mac Jones (Patriots), he would be the starter there. BB would love to have him at this point.

 

Jimmy G (Raiders), he would be the starter there, and 2 years ago I thought Jimmy G was good. He won a lot as a starter but that was 2 years ago. Now not so much.

 

I am not sure he isn't better than Tannehill (Tennessee) at this point. Tannehill has had a couple good years as a starter being 2020 and 2021, nice playoff run in 2019 but that was all Henry pretty much. Mustache is a lot younger. I think Tannehill's days are about numbered. If they lose a couple more of games in a row, I can see Levis taking over.

 

So if you include Tannehill, I just named 8 teams that realistically Mustache could start for.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I would include Atlanta as well

[1959Colts]

27 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

 

Also with Minshew makes execution even more important because you don’t have the unscripted extension of plays.

I like Ian Book

[2006Coltsbestever]

6 minutes ago, Superman said:

 

People use the word "tank" in a lot of different ways, and it bugs me. If a team decides to play a younger player over a more known quantity veteran, people start accusing them of tanking.

 

For me, this was a 'let's see what we have' season for the Colts. Still is, IMO. We needed to know if the OL is as bad as it looked last year, and if our new coaching staff can get some improvements out of them. We need to know if any of the young guys in the secondary can play (Flowers was playing well, Brents looks promising), and whether some of the third/fourth year guys will step up (Blackmon in particular). Most importantly, do we have a HC/QB combo that we can win with.

 

I think this kind of evaluation is a very important part of team building. I don't think it's tanking. And I agree with you, there's no way you evaluate your team after a month and say 'it's looking promising, now let's shut it down so we can get a better draft spot.' 

To your 1st sentence/2nd paragraph. I was thinking like you but after watching the 1st 5 games, I think we can win the division. We have played pretty good so far. I guess we will find out more this upcoming week. The Jags are good. We won at Baltimore so who knows?

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

1 minute ago, 1959Colts said:

I like Ian Book

Trace has some wheels.

[2006Coltsbestever]

2 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

Trace has some wheels.

I have to admit, I don't much about him. Book has a little game.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

Just now, 2006Coltsbestever said:

I have to admit, I don't much about him. Book has a little game.

He was in Baltimore. I think he was the third QB behind Lamar and Huntley. But he can move.

[csmopar]

So any confirmation on when they expect him to be back, if at all

[Superman]

8 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

To your 1st sentence/2nd paragraph. I was thinking like you but after watching the 1st 5 games, I think we can win the division. We have played pretty good so far. I guess we will find out more this upcoming week. The Jags are good. We won at Baltimore so who knows?

 

This division isn't good right now. I'm more concerned with where we stand in the conference, and I don't think we'll know how that looks until much later in the season.

 

And bigger picture, do we have the right pieces at the most important spots? That answer isn't coming in just five weeks.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

1 minute ago, csmopar said:

So any confirmation on when they expect him to be back, if at all

Nothing yet.

[DougDew]

12 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Good points. I heard on the Bowen show this morning that his size could be hurting him, he is hitting the turf with more impact and he may not even be done growing because he is only 21 which is related to bone structure. I don't know anything about that but just passing on what the guys were talking about on his show earlier. 

Most reports say that rookies greatly benefit from the NFLs weight and conditioning program (Raimann being a good example for the Colts).  Who knows what ARs history was at Florida...only 13 starts with how much real football experience before that...seems like he was thrusted into the position because he was the best option.

 

Before concluding that AR is injury prone, I'd like to see if there are any physical changes to him once he gets a full year of NFL strength training. 

[1959Colts]

9 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

Trace has some wheels.

statistically Holton Ahlers has the best numbers...

 

Career records:[10]

Passing yards: 13,933

Total offensive yards: 15,373

Passing touchdowns: 97

Touchdowns responsible for: 122

Completions: 1,127

Pass attempts: 1,857

Rushing touchdowns by a quarterback: 25

 

 

 

Here is a story on Holton Ahlers calling him drafts biggest sleeper. comparing him to Brock Purdy

https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/04/13/2023-nfl-draft-sleeper-quarterback-holton-ahlers

[Jackie Daytona]

On 10/9/2023 at 10:51 AM, DougDew said:

Sam does pretty much everything good enough.  IMO, Sam is a more direct comparison to AR than Minshew, albeit obviously not as physically gifted.

Sam doesn't do anything "good enough" beyond tying his shoes and having a great feel good story.

[2006Coltsbestever]

1 minute ago, Superman said:

 

This division isn't good right now. I'm more concerned with where we stand in the conference, and I don't think we'll know how that looks until much later in the season.

 

And bigger picture, do we have the right pieces at the most important spots? That answer isn't coming in just five weeks.

We need more pieces to compete with teams like the Chiefs, Bengals, Bills, and even the Ravens. We did beat the Ravens but they have a better overall team in reality. Those 4 teams all have great QB's which makes the conference difficult. Of course Miami is another team that is loaded on offense as well. I think we can compete with the Jags, we did beat them last year and we weren't good at all last year.

 

Future wise and big picture, I agree we need to keep getting better. I think we are starting to show some signs now but we need AR healthy. I like how our O.Line is playing, and D.Line and LBs are playing. Our RBs are among the best too. I look at it as baby steps, win the division and just keep getting better and better in 2024 and 2025 and so on. 

[RollerColt]

@Jackie Daytona and anyone else, disregard anything I posted the last three days. I was in a rough patch of a fever all weekend, to the point I wasn’t aware of what I was doing. Mods can delete whatever is off or makes no sense. 

[Solid84]

8 minutes ago, DougDew said:

Most reports say that rookies greatly benefit from the NFLs weight and conditioning program (Raimann being a good example for the Colts).  Who knows what ARs history was at Florida...only 13 starts with how much real football experience before that...seems like he was thrusted into the position because he was the best option.

 

Before concluding that AR is injury prone, I'd like to see if there are any physical changes to him once he gets a full year of NFL strength training. 

I absolutely agree with this. The guy's 21 years old, he's not physically set yet. Give him an off season of NFL-level S&C and he'll look much better next season.

[2006Coltsbestever]

2 minutes ago, RollerColt said:

@Jackie Daytona and anyone else, disregard anything I posted the last three days. I was in a rough patch of a fever all weekend, to the point I wasn’t aware of what I was doing. Mods can delete whatever is off or makes no sense. 

I missed that one . Hopefully you are feeling better.

[DougDew]

3 minutes ago, Jackie Daytona said:

Sam doesn't do anything "good enough" beyond tying his shoes and having a great feel good story.

Based on what?  1 game as a starter in a toilet bowl season?  

 

What is the feel good story, his brother and father passing?     He has an equal or better college career than Bryce Young, for three straight years as a starter......look it up.......and that was the basis of him being drafted. 

[MB-ColtsFan]

5 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

We need more pieces to compete with teams like the Chiefs, Bengals, Bills, and even the Ravens. We did beat the Ravens but they have a better overall team in reality. Those 4 teams all have great QB's which makes the conference difficult. Of course Miami is another team that is loaded on offense as well. I think we can compete with the Jags, we did beat them last year and we weren't good at all last year.

 

Future wise and big picture, I agree we need to keep getting better. I think we are starting to show some signs now but we need AR healthy. I like how our O.Line is playing, and D.Line and LBs are playing. Our RBs are among the best too. I look at it as baby steps, win the division and just keep getting better and better in 2024 and 2025 and so on. 

To the bolded, I don't think we can count on that for the future.  We'll more than likely lose Moss after this season even though I have heard the RB c!* is good this coming draft.  I think some team will want to pay him more than what we will want to since we now have locked up JT for the next 3 years.  It's enjoy going to come down to the amount that he'll be willing to play for.

 

With that being said, if SS chooses to go RBC and Zac gets enough touches, he may be willing to stay.  It's a long shot, but if he's happy here...

[2006Coltsbestever]

4 minutes ago, MB-ColtsFan said:

To the bolded, I don't think we can count on that for the future.  We'll more than likely lose Moss after this season even though I have heard the RB c!* is good this coming draft.  I think some team will want to pay him more than what we will want to since we now have locked up JT for the next 3 years.  It's enjoy going to come down to the amount that he'll be willing to play for.

 

With that being said, if SS chooses to go RBC and Zac gets enough touches, he may be willing to stay.  It's a long shot, but if he's happy here...

We could very well lose Moss but Taylor is a proven great. I am enjoying this year, just wish AR could stay healthy. I have a feeling Mustache is going to leave as well for a better payday, so AR will have to stay healthy in 2024.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

4 minutes ago, MB-ColtsFan said:

To the bolded, I don't think we can count on that for the future.  We'll more than likely lose Moss after this season even though I have heard the RB c!* is good this coming draft.  I think some team will want to pay him more than what we will want to since we now have locked up JT for the next 3 years.  It's enjoy going to come down to the amount that he'll be willing to play for.

 

With that being said, if SS chooses to go RBC and Zac gets enough touches, he may be willing to stay.  It's a long shot, but if he's happy here...

Yeah the draft and how many will be in FA it might hurt his value. Having both only prolongs their careers. But can’t have 20 million wrapped up in RB

[Superman]

20 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

We need more pieces to compete with teams like the Chiefs, Bengals, Bills, and even the Ravens. We did beat the Ravens but they have a better overall team in reality. Those 4 teams all have great QB's which makes the conference difficult. Of course Miami is another team that is loaded on offense as well. I think we can compete with the Jags, we did beat them last year and we weren't good at all last year.

 

Future wise and big picture, I agree we need to keep getting better. I think we are starting to show some signs now but we need AR healthy. I like how our O.Line is playing, and D.Line and LBs are playing. Our RBs are among the best too. I look at it as baby steps, win the division and just keep getting better and better in 2024 and 2025 and so on. 

 

#1, do we have a great QB, or a potentially great QB? I like some of what Richardson has shown, but we don't know the answer to this question yet.

 

#2, do we have a good enough HC? I'm thinking we probably do, but it's still early here also. 

 

I'm not too worried about everything else. I think the OL is getting better every game, the secondary is very much a work in progress but that's a long term project IMO, etc. 

 

The team might be good enough to win the division, and that would be good exposure and experience. I just I think the focus should be much bigger than the division. We dominated the division in Luck's early years, and couldn't get to the SB because we had second tier coaching and a second tier roster (at best). There's always going to be a couple 12-14 win teams in the conference, and the real question is how we measure up to those teams. IMO, we're not close. And this season's evaluation should tell us how far away we are, and help us chart the course into 2024.

 

8 minutes ago, MB-ColtsFan said:

To the bolded, I don't think we can count on that for the future.  We'll more than likely lose Moss after this season even though I have heard the RB c!* is good this coming draft.  I think some team will want to pay him more than what we will want to since we now have locked up JT for the next 3 years.  It's enjoy going to come down to the amount that he'll be willing to play for.

 

With that being said, if SS chooses to go RBC and Zac gets enough touches, he may be willing to stay.  It's a long shot, but if he's happy here...

 

Zach gone.

[2006Coltsbestever]

1 minute ago, Superman said:

 

#1, do we have a great QB, or a potentially great QB? I like some of what Richardson has shown, but we don't know the answer to this question yet.

 

#2, do we have a good enough HC? I'm thinking we probably do, but it's still early here also. 

 

I'm not too worried about everything else. I think the OL is getting better every game, the secondary is very much a work in progress but that's a long term project IMO, etc. 

 

The team might be good enough to win the division, and that would be good exposure and experience. I just I think the focus should be much bigger than the division. We dominated the division in Luck's early years, and couldn't get to the SB because we had second tier coaching and a second tier roster (at best). There's always going to be a couple 12-14 win teams in the conference, and the real question is how we measure up to those teams. IMO, we're not close. And this season's evaluation should tell us how far away we are, and help us chart the course into 2024.

QB and Coach are vitally important as you know. So far AR has played better than most have expected, just hasn't been able to stay healthy. Potentially he can be good, he needs to be for us to compete with the teams I mentioned above. The 4 games he has played in have been valuable by themselves as far getting a feel for the NFL game. As far as Shane goes, so far I am impressed with him. I think he can become a great coach.

[csmopar]

29 minutes ago, DougDew said:

Based on what?  1 game as a starter in a toilet bowl season?  

 

What is the feel good story, his brother and father passing?     He has an equal or better college career than Bryce Young, for three straight years as a starter......look it up.......and that was the basis of him being drafted. 

Well I didn’t believe you so I looked it up. 
 

interesting to say you are right

[Superman]

6 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

QB and Coach are vitally important as you know. So far AR has played better than most have expected, just hasn't been able to stay healthy. Potentially he can be good, he needs to be for us to compete with the teams I mentioned above. The 4 games he has played in have been valuable by themselves as far getting a feel for the NFL game. As far as Shane goes, so far I am impressed with him. I think he can become a great coach.

 

I'm liking Steichen. I was impressed that he was engaged enough to chew out Tyquan Lewis after his offsides penalty. I like that he always seems to know what he's doing on 4th down, and most of the time the opposing coach is reacting to him. He's managing timeouts well. He's 1-1 on challenges. He seems intense and focused, but doesn't seem like he's a jerk to his players. I hate his pressers, which is kind of a good thing, because he's buttoned up and not giving away state secrets. 

 

I don't always agree with his 4th down decisions, or his play calling, but I can tell he knows what he wants to do. The only thing preventing us from having an established identity on offense so far is Richardson's availability.

 

Things look good with Steichen so far.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]