Jonathan Taylor comments on his contract/Request trade (Merge)

[iuswingman]

8 hours ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Of course if you lose an elite QB it is disastrous. Losing an elite RB isn't as bad if you have an elite QB. Wentz was not elite, not even close. If a team has a QB that is outside of the top 15, having an elite RB is very important. Not sure why a few in here can't understand that. 

 

If we had Andrew Luck, of course I would be OK with RB by committee as long as the RB's don't stink. Not hard to understand what I am trying to convey.

 

An elite rb helps but that is never going to be enough to carry a team.  That is why it is not important enough to pay elite RB big bucks.

 

You need the qb and the line much more and you tie up big bucks in the wrong position then all you accomplish is shooting yourself in the foot

[richard pallo]

2 hours ago, iuswingman said:

 

An elite rb helps but that is never going to be enough to carry a team.  That is why it is not important enough to pay elite RB big bucks.

 

You need the qb and the line much more and you tie up big bucks in the wrong position then all you accomplish is shooting yourself in the foot

Rb’s don’t make big bucks when you compare them to quarterbacks, wide receivers, edge rushers, tackles and cornerbacks to name a few obvious positions.  An elite player at those positions make significantly more.  Even above average players do.  They are the one’s getting paid.  Not running backs.  Running backs are far down the list.  I don’t see any problem paying an elite running back a top contract for the position.  That’s not shooting your self in the foot.   You’re shootings your self in the foot when your quarterback and line don’t perform for the money they’re getting paid.  That’s when you’re in trouble.  I hope we can find a way to keep JT.  He’s a game changer.  We are lucky to have him.  I personally don’t want to lose him over a 13 or 14m a year contract.  That would be a shame imo. 

[1959Colts]

https://www.totalprosports.com/nfl/jonathan-taylor-colts-trade-price-wide-receiver-draft-picks/

 

REPORT: Indianapolis Colts Have Two Specific Demands From Teams In Trade Talks For Star Running Back Jonathan Taylor

 

...According to X account MLFootball, Indy wants a wide receiver, as well as draft capital for Taylor. The account also suggests that they could expect to lose wideout Michael Pittman Jr. as he’s in the final year of his deal and is looking for significant money...

 

[1959Colts]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/jonathan-taylor-posts-route-running-video-that-has-colts-fans-fired-up/ar-AA1gMT0V

 

Jonathan Taylor Posts Route-Running Video That Has Colts Fans Fired Up

 

...The disgruntled running back shared a brief yet eyebrow-raising post on his Instagram stories showing him running a route at the Colts practice facility. Adding even more fuel to the already raging rumor mill surrounding Taylor, who’s currently on the physically unable to perform list, is the video’s caption, which simply reads: “Loading.…”

 

...While Friday’s video may excite Colts fans, Indy doesn’t appear any closer to finding a resolution on Taylor’s outstanding July trade request following a failure to agree to terms on a new contract...

[Solid84]

4 minutes ago, 1959Colts said:

https://www.totalprosports.com/nfl/jonathan-taylor-colts-trade-price-wide-receiver-draft-picks/

 

REPORT: Indianapolis Colts Have Two Specific Demands From Teams In Trade Talks For Star Running Back Jonathan Taylor

 

...According to X account MLFootball, Indy wants a wide receiver, as well as draft capital for Taylor. The account also suggests that they could expect to lose wideout Michael Pittman Jr. as he’s in the final year of his deal and is looking for significant money...

 

It may be true, but if they want a WR in return that's means one of two things in my opinion 1) they are fine getting a WR2 level player at best or 2) they don't really want to trade him. No one is trading a WR1 level player for JT, no one.

[richard pallo]

44 minutes ago, 1959Colts said:

https://www.totalprosports.com/nfl/jonathan-taylor-colts-trade-price-wide-receiver-draft-picks/

 

REPORT: Indianapolis Colts Have Two Specific Demands From Teams In Trade Talks For Star Running Back Jonathan Taylor

 

...According to X account MLFootball, Indy wants a wide receiver, as well as draft capital for Taylor. The account also suggests that they could expect to lose wideout Michael Pittman Jr. as he’s in the final year of his deal and is looking for significant money...

 

If the Dolphins sense the Bills are vulnerable I can see them eventually capitulating and giving us Waddle in a trade to go all in.  I could see the Bengals jumping in as well by giving us Higgins.  They are going to have a hard time extending him so they might send him to the Colts for Taylor.  If we want a receiver those two teams make sense.  I still want him to stay though.

[colts52761]

Wonder what it would take to get Higgins?

 

[husker61]

Taylor has been hurt for a while, is he ever going to be the same fback as he was? Nobody knows. This is why no team is going to give him big bucks or trade much for him until he proves he is the same player he was before the injury. If he plays and shows he is a top rub again, he will get the money, probably from the colts. Be quiet, show what you can do on the field, and reap the rewards. 

[iuswingman]

2 hours ago, richard pallo said:

Rb’s don’t make big bucks when you compare them to quarterbacks, wide receivers, edge rushers, tackles and cornerbacks to name a few obvious positions.  An elite player at those positions make significantly more.  Even above average players do.  They are the one’s getting paid.  Not running backs.  Running backs are far down the list.  I don’t see any problem paying an elite running back a top contract for the position.  That’s not shooting your self in the foot.   You’re shootings your self in the foot when your quarterback and line don’t perform for the money they’re getting paid.  That’s when you’re in trouble.  I hope we can find a way to keep JT.  He’s a game changer.  We are lucky to have him.  I personally don’t want to lose him over a 13 or 14m a year contract.  That would be a shame imo. 

And there is good reason they don't make the big bucks.  It would be a mistake to pay jt the big bucks he wants because there is no way he has that value to the team no matter how elite he is.

 

Plus, we don't even know how healthy he is given he refuses to have a physical. 

[Nate!]

1 hour ago, richard pallo said:

If the Dolphins sense the Bills are vulnerable I can see them eventually capitulating and giving us Waddle in a trade to go all in.  I could see the Bengals jumping in as well by giving us Higgins.  They are going to have a hard time extending him so they might send him to the Colts for Taylor.  If we want a receiver those two teams make sense.  I still want him to stay though.

there’s zero percent chance Dolphins would trade Waddle for JT as a straight up. 

[richard pallo]

2 minutes ago, Nate! said:

there’s zero percent chance Dolphins would trade Waddle for JT as a straight up. 

So far they haven’t of course.  Lots of time left between now and the deadline though.  A lot could change.  Hope JT stays.

 

[richard pallo]

31 minutes ago, iuswingman said:

And there is good reason they don't make the big bucks.  It would be a mistake to pay jt the big bucks he wants because there is no way he has that value to the team no matter how elite he is.

 

Plus, we don't even know how healthy he is given he refuses to have a physical. 

First off he’s not going to get what he’s asking for if the reports are true.  But my guess he is would take less.  That’s what usually happens.  Both sides compromise and work it out.  Contracts are always contingent on passing a physical.  So that’s not an issue.  Really it’s not.

[Jackie Daytona]

1 hour ago, colts52761 said:

Wonder what it would take to get Higgins?

 

Seeing as they don't need a RB, who knows.

[GoColts8818]

31 minutes ago, Nate! said:

there’s zero percent chance Dolphins would trade Waddle for JT as a straight up. 

A side from the fact that you aren’t going to see any team trade a star young WR for a star running back who might be a rent it player there is also the fact Miami is trying to add talent to their roster to make a run, not give talent away.  Trade draft picks for a player to help sure.  Trading away key players no way.

[richard pallo]

8 minutes ago, Jackie Daytona said:

Seeing as they don't need a RB, who knows.

I just looked at their running backs.  No one there concerns me.  I actually think Moss is better than any of their backs currently.

[runthepost]

28 minutes ago, richard pallo said:

I just looked at their running backs.  No one there concerns me.  I actually think Moss is better than any of their backs currently.

Miss isn’t better than Mixon lol

[runthepost]

2 hours ago, colts52761 said:

Wonder what it would take to get Higgins?

 

A first round pick and Taylor

[VikingsFanInChennai]

28 minutes ago, Jackie Daytona said:

Seeing as they don't need a RB, who knows.

Miami needs an RB, as last year showed. They had even better offense than this week 1 last year, but only having a great Passing game will stress the QB too much in playoffs or against Elite teams. You need to have balanced attack anyways, and that's what Miami was looking for all off-season and they wanted to get Cook, who seemed to prefer Jets.

 

And, as @richard pallo points out, Miami and Cincinnati will only get compensatory pick for one of their better receivers when they will able to sign long-term only one elite WR in their team. Their best bet is to trade them and get good value in return before they'll have to release them. Miami even could let Tyreek Hill go like KC did, as paying an younger proven version will be wiser which KC didn't have the luxury to do so and are now in trouble for after letting Hill leave. 

 

Indy will be wise to get a great WR in return for letting an elite RB go.

 

This is my position - Indy would be wiser to get a proven WR like Waddle if they're to not re-sign and trade JT. That'd be such a prudent move. But, if you're going to re-sign a non-elite WR like Pittman, it's better to re-sign JT rather as he's more elite in his position. So, if you're going to get a proven elite WR in return for JT, that'd be the best case scenario.

 

Indy could even wait another year by franchise tagging JT next year and then trade him to Minnesota for Jordan Addison, as he's also proving himself to be like Waddle and Vikings wouldn't be be able to re-sign Addison after giving market resetting contracts to Jefferson and TJ Hockensen. That's an easy target for trade as well, like Miami and Cincinnati. 

[VikingsFanInChennai]

1 hour ago, iuswingman said:

And there is good reason they don't make the big bucks.  It would be a mistake to pay jt the big bucks he wants because there is no way he has that value to the team no matter how elite he is.

 

Plus, we don't even know how healthy he is given he refuses to have a physical. 

Colts know exactly how healthy JT is currently, he's practicing in the facility and there was already a rumor that they were going to have physical in the previous week.

 

Fans won't know, but that doesn't mean that Colts don't know how healthy JT is. 

 

The money Colts and JT eventually would finalize if he were to re-sign would be totally worth for what he'd bring to the field, as he's still young enough to play at elite level through this contract extension.

 

Now, if Colts end up paying Pittman 20+ million just because they can't draft another good receiver, that'd be totally NOT worth it for the value you're talking about. 

[compuls1v3]

On 9/15/2023 at 2:59 PM, Superman said:

 

Pass blocking was bad in 2021, but Wentz's play can still be evaluated independently of the OL. If anyone wants to give him a slight break because of the bad OL play, that's fine, but we watched him do his job poorly as well. 

 

The Deon Jackson experiment has a really small sample size so far. Not ready to make a declaration on that either way so far. 

I think Deon Jackson fumbling twice in the same game, in light of the JT situation, amplifies the mistakes.  I have seen him play well, so I agree, need to see more play from him.  I'm chalking the first game up to nerves and pressure.  Let's see how he responds, when given the chance. 

[richard pallo]

1 hour ago, runthepost said:

Miss isn’t better than Mixon lol

I was looking at the Dolphins running backs. Lol  In any event Taylor is way better than Mixon.  Taylor’s a difference maker.  Mixon is not.  Lol

[Nate!]

3 hours ago, richard pallo said:

So far they haven’t of course.  Lots of time left between now and the deadline though.  A lot could change.  Hope JT stays.

 

[EasyE]

2 hours ago, compuls1v3 said:

I think Deon Jackson fumbling twice in the same game, in light of the JT situation, amplifies the mistakes.  I have seen him play well, so I agree, need to see more play from him.  I'm chalking the first game up to nerves and pressure.  Let's see how he responds, when given the chance. 

I'm pretty rough on RBs that fumble. I have been every since High School when I played RB. Just the punishment I endured if I ever fumbled.. Old school coaching I had. 

I'm in agreement here though with you and Supe. I like Jackson a lot before the fumbles and I think he can bounce back after the turnovers.. I will eat crow and want to see more of him..

[iuswingman]

3 hours ago, VikingsFanInChennai said:

Colts know exactly how healthy JT is currently, he's practicing in the facility and there was already a rumor that they were going to have physical in the previous week.

 

Fans won't know, but that doesn't mean that Colts don't know how healthy JT is. 

 

The money Colts and JT eventually would finalize if he were to re-sign would be totally worth for what he'd bring to the field, as he's still young enough to play at elite level through this contract extension.

 

Now, if Colts end up paying Pittman 20+ million just because they can't draft another good receiver, that'd be totally NOT worth it for the value you're talking about. 

Yea paying Pittman that much would likely be a mistake but that has nothing to do with it being a mistake to overpay for jt

[EasyE]

13 minutes ago, iuswingman said:

Yea paying Pittman that much would likely be a mistake but that has nothing to do with it being a mistake to overpay for jt

Pittman is going to make $20 million or more with Colts or somewhere else. Is it the right price for the Colts? Only the FO knows. Pittman going to make his money. JT IMO would have made his money if not going down the wrong path. JT could still make his money but he is not showing his worth on the PUP!! JMO 

[compuls1v3]

1 hour ago, EasyE said:

I'm pretty rough on RBs that fumble. I have been every since High School when I played RB. Just the punishment I endured if I ever fumbled.. Old school coaching I had. 

I'm in agreement here though with you and Supe. I like Jackson a lot before the fumbles and I think he can bounce back after the turnovers.. I will eat crow and want to see more of 

Even JT fumbles.  Has 8 in his first 3 years.

[EasyE]

Just now, compuls1v3 said:

Even JT fumbles.  Has 8 in his first 3 years.

Yes but not every RB is elite RB like JT. Lot easier forgiving someone like JT. 

[EasyE]

3 minutes ago, compuls1v3 said:

Even JT fumbles.  Has 8 in his first 3 years.

You trying to make this forgiveness hard for me are you?

[compuls1v3]

5 minutes ago, EasyE said:

Yes but not every RB is elite RB like JT. Lot easier forgiving someone like JT. 

Very true. Can't argue that. 

[AKB]

10 minutes ago, compuls1v3 said:

Very true. Can't argue that. 

how many did he have last year? feel like he had way more than usual

[GoColts8818]

18 minutes ago, AKB said:

how many did he have last year? feel like he had way more than usual

Three.  Compared to the rest of his career he had one his rookie year and four his second year (one as a receiver) and then three last year.

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/4242335/jonathan-taylor

[VikingsFanInChennai]

1 hour ago, GoColts8818 said:

Three.  Compared to the rest of his career he had one his rookie year and four his second year (one as a receiver) and then three last year.

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/4242335/jonathan-taylor

Coming into the NFL, I remember fumbles were one of the concerns from his time in Wisconsin, along with the mileage.

 

Looking at the stats, He had 18 fumbles (15 lost) in 41 career college games.

 

Compared to that, he's done much better minimizing fumbles in the NFL 

[EasyE]

23 minutes ago, VikingsFanInChennai said:

Coming into the NFL, I remember fumbles were one of the concerns from his time in Wisconsin, along with the mileage.

 

Looking at the stats, He had 18 fumbles (15 lost) in 41 career college games.

 

Compared to that, he's done much better minimizing fumbles in the NFL 

Plus a RB that scores TDs and puts a lot of yards up. Helps coaches and fans forgive the fumbles.. lol

It's not a easy position and nobody is perfect.. I got to get to bed so I have plenty of rest rooting Colts to a big Victory.. Good night all!!

[GoColts8818]

51 minutes ago, VikingsFanInChennai said:

Coming into the NFL, I remember fumbles were one of the concerns from his time in Wisconsin, along with the mileage.

 

Looking at the stats, He had 18 fumbles (15 lost) in 41 career college games.

 

Compared to that, he's done much better minimizing fumbles in the NFL 

Yeah his rookie year the coaches worked with him ALOT to avoid fumbles.  They even had him change the way he holds the ball to cut down on them.

[Jackie Daytona]

7 hours ago, richard pallo said:

I just looked at their running backs.  No one there concerns me.  I actually think Moss is better than any of their backs currently.

Than Mixon?

[Jackie Daytona]

7 hours ago, VikingsFanInChennai said:

Colts know exactly how healthy JT is currently, he's practicing in the facility and there was already a rumor that they were going to have physical in the previous week.

 

Fans won't know, but that doesn't mean that Colts don't know how healthy JT is. 

 

The money Colts and JT eventually would finalize if he were to re-sign would be totally worth for what he'd bring to the field, as he's still young enough to play at elite level through this contract extension.

 

Now, if Colts end up paying Pittman 20+ million just because they can't draft another good receiver, that'd be totally NOT worth it for the value you're talking about. 

JT is young in years only..... that body has absorbed more punishment than any RB in the league over the last six years.

[Jackie Daytona]

16 minutes ago, GoColts8818 said:

Yeah his rookie year the coaches worked with him ALOT to avoid fumbles.  They even had him change the way he holds the ball to cut down on them.

I mean.... that's about all you can do to reduce fumbles.... change.... the....way....you ..hold the ball....  like, with your hands... sometimes even both 

[VikingsFanInChennai]

1 hour ago, Jackie Daytona said:

JT is young in years only..... that body has absorbed more punishment than any RB in the league over the last six years.

I think every RB would like to have their case started for that... Dalvin Cook suffered ACL tear, and multiple hamstring strains and other injuries to back and foot. He had a shoulder injury that  he picked up late in 2019 season, and had surgery to repair that shoulder only in Feb 2023! And, he's been overworked all throughout his NFL and college career, except for last week's game. 

[Jackie Daytona]

18 hours ago, richard pallo said:

Rb’s don’t make big bucks when you compare them to quarterbacks, wide receivers, edge rushers, tackles and cornerbacks to name a few obvious positions.  An elite player at those positions make significantly more.  Even above average players do.  They are the one’s getting paid.  Not running backs.  Running backs are far down the list.  I don’t see any problem paying an elite running back a top contract for the position.  That’s not shooting your self in the foot.   You’re shootings your self in the foot when your quarterback and line don’t perform for the money they’re getting paid.  That’s when you’re in trouble.  I hope we can find a way to keep JT.  He’s a game changer.  We are lucky to have him.  I personally don’t want to lose him over a 13 or 14m a year contract.  That would be a shame imo. 

 

Sincerely, Malki Kawa

Fify Juuuuust Kidding.  

 

I see what you are saying, and so what agree in principle.  I think it aligns with Ballard actions over the past six years whether a coincidence or not..... acquire and keep premium players at the less premium positions.  Sounds weird, but things like a top end RB have cost a lot less than a top level WR...same with OG vs OT,  LB vs edge, etc.....now, whether that is prudent team building strategy or not is an entirely different conversation.

[r a y s k i]

13 minutes ago, Jackie Daytona said:

Fify Juuuuust Kidding.  

 

I see what you are saying, and so what agree in principle.  I think it aligns with Ballard actions over the past six years whether a coincidence or not..... acquire and keep premium players at the less premium positions.  Sounds weird, but things like a top end RB have cost a lot less than a top level WR...same with OG vs OT,  LB vs edge, etc.....now, whether that is prudent team building strategy or not is an entirely different conversation.

I see what you saying and its an interesting thought and I wouldnt be surprised if that would factor in to team building approaches all over the league but I believe Ballard to have a strong bpa mindset when it comes to drafting. Limiting yourself to certain positions each year to fill those positions w talent, based on the fact you prioritise those positions purely out of cost effectiveness seems like a contradiction

ps. didn't read previous comments just that one I replied to