Colts select QB Anthony Richardson Florida (merge)

[TomDiggs]

2 hours ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

Colts told Richardson they were going to take him if there.

 

 

I really, really wanna know who was the person at 5:50 asking AR how he thought Frank Reich would mentor him? and then asked it again when AR basically was like "Frank Reich?"....you could hear others in the room saying "wrong team" lol

 

that had to be embarrassing as all hell lol

 

 

[Superman]

2 hours ago, Fisticuffs111 said:

Was watching this live. I kinda love Steichen’s closed off demeanor, unwillingness to answer stuff like QB comparison questions. And I swear, there’s a way he kinda Hawkeyes the media after they ask their questions lol I don’t know why I took notice, but it’s like he’s trying to figure out there angle. 

 

Anyways…just casually being an armchair psychologist 

 

He rubbed me the wrong way in this one. Just unnecessarily curt and standoffish. One thing Ballard understands and quickly demonstrated is that it's valuable to have a good working relationship with the media. 

 

So, for example, when Ballard said 'I don't want to compare QBs,' then someone asked Steichen a similar question and he answered 'like Chris said, we're not gonna compare QBs.' Then whoever asked the question clarified that they were talking about offensive approach, and Steichen goes 'yeah, I'm not gonna talk about scheme, either.' Really?

 

Now, Reich would just give away the gameplan, and that was annoying. But in this case, Steichen couldn't talk about what kind of advantages he sees in having a QB like Richardson, or how they think they can deploy him as he develops, or anything like that? He didn't even try to dress it up and give a coachspeak answer, either. Just shut it down, not even entertaining what I thought was actually a legitimate question. Generally, I don't care too much because I don't expect to get anything meaningful from what the coach says, but that annoyed me, and seemed borderline rude.

[ShuteAt168]

53 minutes ago, TimetobringDfence! said:

I like AR way more than I thought. His character blows Levis away.

Come on, you might like AR’s personality more and that’s valid, but there are no indications that Levis has poor character. 

[Superman]

2 minutes ago, krunk said:

Definitely was worth the risk. This kid is more talented than Luck was and thats saying something loud. With the tools he has i got no problems with taking some time to iron out the flaws. Flaws that i think wont take a huge effort to over come. Im glad he was the pick bc i worried for a second that we were going Levis. Im on record as saying i liked Levis but as you know i felt his problems were as serious or worse than AR. And this is after all that NFL training and NFL people being around him. And having less talent than AR.

 

Hard disagree. This is major recency bias. He's bigger (slightly), stronger, faster, has a bigger arm, and can play a more physically imposing style of football. But Luck's ability to make all the throws, including from a crowded pocket, to do so accurately, and demonstrate an ability to scan the field, is something that's so far beyond what Richardson has demonstrated so far. And he was no slouch in the arm department either, he could rip it. 

[stitches]

5 minutes ago, Superman said:

 

He rubbed me the wrong way in this one. Just unnecessarily curt and standoffish. One thing Ballard understands and quickly demonstrated is that it's valuable to have a good working relationship with the media. 

 

So, for example, when Ballard said 'I don't want to compare QBs,' then someone asked Steichen a similar question and he answered 'like Chris said, we're not gonna compare QBs.' Then whoever asked the question clarified that they were talking about offensive approach, and Steichen goes 'yeah, I'm not gonna talk about scheme, either.' Really?

Yeah that was weird... Something else that rubbed me the wrong way was - on one of the questions, Steichen actually started talking and giving a legit answer and one of the reporters interrupted him and not even to ask something about what he was saying but rather to get a head start on asking Ballard a question. What the hell was that?

5 minutes ago, Superman said:

Now, Reich would just give away the gameplan, and that was annoying. But in this case, Steichen couldn't talk about what kind of advantages he sees in having a QB like Richardson, or how they think they can deploy him as he develops, or anything like that? He didn't even try to dress it up and give a coachspeak answer, either. Just shut it down, not even entertaining what I thought was actually a legitimate question. Generally, I don't care too much because I don't expect to get anything meaningful from what the coach says, but that annoyed me, and seemed borderline rude.

Yeah, Steichen is not giving up much at all. At first in other interviews this off-season I thought it might be him guarding against giving up something for the draft, but it seems like he just does not like talking to the media much at all. He might be some version of Bill Belickick in that regard.

[krunk]

8 minutes ago, Superman said:

 

Hard disagree. This is major recency bias. He's bigger (slightly), stronger, faster, has a bigger arm, and can play a more physically imposing style of football. But Luck's ability to make all the throws, including from a crowded pocket, to do so accurately, and demonstrate an ability to scan the field, is something that's so far beyond what Richardson has demonstrated so far. And he was no slouch in the arm department either, he could rip it. 

Sorry but Luck did not ever have all the tools this man has. Ever!  Youre talking about things with Luck that this kid hasnt even gotten a good chance to work on. Richardsons arm is better than Lucks, hes faster, he plays safer than Luck, hes more elusive than Luck. I think hes got a better feel for pressure than Luck. I can name some other things. Again im talking about his raw tools. His natural God given ability. With what hes got it can get a whole lot better in my opinion once he starts to put the work in.

[braveheartcolt]

7 minutes ago, Superman said:

 

He rubbed me the wrong way in this one. Just unnecessarily curt and standoffish. One thing Ballard understands and quickly demonstrated is that it's valuable to have a good working relationship with the media. 

 

So, for example, when Ballard said 'I don't want to compare QBs,' then someone asked Steichen a similar question and he answered 'like Chris said, we're not gonna compare QBs.' Then whoever asked the question clarified that they were talking about offensive approach, and Steichen goes 'yeah, I'm not gonna talk about scheme, either.' Really?

 

Now, Reich would just give away the gameplan, and that was annoying. But in this case, Steichen couldn't talk about what kind of advantages he sees in having a QB like Richardson, or how they think they can deploy him as he develops, or anything like that? He didn't even try to dress it up and give a coachspeak answer, either. Just shut it down, not even entertaining what I thought was actually a legitimate question. Generally, I don't care too much because I don't expect to get anything meaningful from what the coach says, but that annoyed me, and seemed borderline rude.

Maybe he’s thinking if he becomes more Belichick-esque, he may become as partially successful as ‘Ol’ Brusque’ himself?

 

[#12.]

17 minutes ago, krunk said:

Definitely was worth the risk. This kid is more talented than Luck 

 

Man, you did a complete 180 in a month, Krunk. 

 

I get it.  He's a Colt now.  That said, the Luck thing is a bit too much.

 

[#12.]

Taking someone like Richardson top 5 is completely unprecedented.  It's hard to even wrap your mind around what the expectations should be.

[krunk]

Just now, #12. said:

 

Man, you did a complete 180 in a month, Krunk. 

 

I get it.  He's a Colt now.  That said, the Luck thing is a bit too much.

 

Not really. You can compare talent. What i wont do is say crazy stuff like he is a better QB or talk about stuff i know Richardson hasnt even produced.

[Superman]

1 hour ago, GoColts8818 said:

you ever think maybe the Colts leaked the Levis stuff on purpose to throw people off the trail they wanted Richardson so no one came up to get him?  Ballard at least seemed to consider that someone would as he admitted they called Arizona about going to number three.

 

If Ballard leaked the Levis stuff, and it worked to the point that virtually the entire national and local media landscape was linking Levis to the Colts, then why would Ballard almost directly shut it down in his presser last week? I mean, he did everything but look down the barrel of the camera and say 'read my lips... NO WILL LEVIS.' 

 

I think the Colts ran a pretty tight ship all offseason, starting with the HC search when no one had a read on what was happening until SB week. And now, the most reasonable take in the run-up to the draft was from Holder, who said weeks ago 'no one from the Colts is talking.' 

 

Meanwhile, the Colts snuck out to Florida to work out Richardson privately, before the Combine, and the only reason we got confirmation on that before tonight was because Richardson let it slip during his Combine presser. They sent area scouts to everyone's pro day, except Richardson's; they sent a high ranking front office guy to see him, and didn't even try to hide it.

 

I do not think there was any gamesmanship here. I think they all kept their mouths shut, and went about their business, and then Ballard shut down the loudest rumors right before the draft, and now they confirmed with their actions that all the clues we saw were actually legitimate, and the media had no inside info about what the Colts planned to do.

[Superman]

11 minutes ago, krunk said:

Sorry but Luck did not ever have all the tools this man has. Ever!  Youre talking about things with Luck that this kid hasnt even gotten a good chance to work on. Richardsons arm is better than Lucks, hes faster, he plays safer than Luck, hes more elusive than Luck. I think hes got a better feel for pressure than Luck. I can name some other things. Again im talking about his raw tools. His natural God given ability. With what hes got it can get a whole lot better in my opinion once he starts to put the work in.

 

If we're only talking about overall athletic ability, I drop my objection. But I include passing proficiency when talking about whether a QB prospect is "gifted," and I think the finer points of throwing the ball is an area where Luck is far more talented than Richardson has shown so far. 

[krunk]

2 minutes ago, Superman said:

 

If we're only talking about overall athletic ability, I drop my objection. But I include passing proficiency when talking about whether a QB prospect is "gifted," and I think the finer points of throwing the ball is an area where Luck is far more talented than Richardson has shown so far. 

I agree overall! Im not going to be crazy enough to speak on some of the stuff i know Luck has him beat by a 20 miles on. Was just talking about pure God given talent. The rest is to be determined.

[NewColtsFan]

53 minutes ago, stitches said:

I don't mind disagreements. I disagree with a lot of people around here and I'm having good faith cordial discussions with them about it. At the end of the day we are here to share into the excitement of our team and we all ultimately want the best for the team.

My biggest gripe is the certainty and smugness some of them operate with, accompanied with certain needling of the team. And then the next important decision comes and they again do the same thing, despite being completely wrong(or if you want to put it euphemistically - despite giving opinions based on clearly bad info) on the previous one. And it doesn't even enter into their mind to ask themselves "Should I actually believe what that person told me, when it's clear they had no idea what they were talking about the last time". But for them it's more important to be able to say or write "league sources told me this"(i.e. people from other teams that are NOT the Colts)...

From a national media perspective, I get the frustration.  The Colts reputation took a serious beating.  The 22 season was beyond awful and Colts looked like a serious dumpster fire.  There was a lot of very superficial coverage of our favorite team.   I didn’t like plenty of the coverage.  But I viewed it as the Colts and Irsay brought it on themselves.   It sucks to have to hunker down and take the beating we took.  It goes back to the famous Parcells quite: You are what your record says you are.  And we were 4-12-1.   
 

But there are posters here who think the disaster of 22 proves every negative thought they’ve ever had about Ballard and Reich and Irsay have been right.   They’ve literally posted as much.   But 22 was so terrible those posters get their moment in the sun even if I think they’re wrong.   My pushback this year has been less than any of my 11 years here. 

[#12.]

21 minutes ago, braveheartcolt said:

Maybe he’s thinking if he becomes more Belichick-esque, he may become as partially successful as ‘Ol’ Brusque’ himself?

 

 

Doyel called Steichen a crybaby and Steichen's been trying to act hard ever since.  Hopefully he lightens up a bit.  

[NewColtsFan]

45 minutes ago, krunk said:

Definitely was worth the risk. This kid is more talented than Luck was and thats saying something loud. With the tools he has i got no problems with taking some time to iron out the flaws. Flaws that i think wont take a huge effort to over come. Im glad he was the pick bc i worried for a second that we were going Levis. Im on record as saying i liked Levis but as you know i felt his problems were as serious or worse than AR. And this is after all that NFL training and NFL people being around him. And having less talent than AR.

AR is more talented than Luck PHYSICALLY.   But that’s not saying anything, because AR is more physically talented than any QB ever.  
 

But the jury is out until he shows he can improve at the NFL level.   Can he fix his physical flaws.   Can he manage the position and the game MENTALLY?   The Colts think so, but no one really knows.   Carolina passed.   So did Houston.   So did other teams who could have traded up to take AR third overall.   So there is doubt.   There’s no guarantee that AR will ever become what the Colts hope he will. 
 

[braveheartcolt]

On a slightly different note…….this pick has given me a jolt. Since Luck retired, I have ashamedly stumbled down to a game day only fan. Obviously spoiled by years of Manning and Luck, I have been underwhelmed by the whole Rivers, Wentz and Ryan episode. I know they were stop gaps, but uninspired ones, giving out very little hope. The Richardson pick has rattled me out of my slumber, and whether it pans out or not, it has certainly rekindled my faltering passion for my Colts. Should they do a Manning and Luck, and chuck him in for Week One, even if he’s not really ready to play with the big boys? I hope they see enough in him to do so. It’s good to be back.

[CanuckColtsFan]

1 hour ago, NewColtsFan said:

Media has literally crumbled in the more than 40 years since I first got in.    And on every level.   Local and national.   And it’s only getting worse.   How do you restore it?   How do you regain trust?   It takes decades to earn it, but can be lost in the blink of an eye these days.   
 

And it’s not just sports.   It’s politics, regular news, even entertainment.  
 

Sorry for getting up on my soap box,  but it’s hard to watch a once respected and badly needed profession steadily evaporate.  
 

Sigh….      

You're bang on.  It's a profession that's critical and it's failing.  

[krunk]

5 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

AR is more talented than Luck PHYSICALLY.   But that’s nit saying anything, because AR is more physically talented than any QB ever.  
 

But the jury is out until he shows he can improve at the NFL level.   Can he fix his physical flaws.   Can he manage the position and the game MENTALLY?   The Colts think so, but no one really knows.   Carolina passed.   So did Houston.   So did other teams who could have traded up to take AR third overall.   So there is doubt.   There’s no guarantee that AR will ever become what the Colts hope he will. 
 

Yeah Yeah I know! Physically was the only thing i meant.  Hes definitely an elite athlete. Id be crazy to speak on anything more than that until he proves it.

 

[Superman]

32 minutes ago, braveheartcolt said:

Maybe he’s thinking if he becomes more Belichick-esque, he may become as partially successful as ‘Ol’ Brusque’ himself?

 

 

Belichick answers bad questions that way. He actually will engage if you ask a legitimate question, even if he's not necessarily entertaining and verbose. I thought it was a legitimate question, and that's coming from someone who generally thinks the presser questions are whack.

[NewColtsFan]

29 minutes ago, krunk said:

Yeah Yeah I know! Physically was the only thing i meant.  Hes definitely an elite athlete. 

Richardson is so incredibly elite it almost feels inadequate to call him that.   There’s elite every year, but AR’s only come along every 10-20 years, and in this case, perhaps never before.  
 

I think he’s a complete Freak of Nature.  A total Unicorn!   

[AKB]

52 minutes ago, Superman said:

 

He rubbed me the wrong way in this one. Just unnecessarily curt and standoffish. One thing Ballard understands and quickly demonstrated is that it's valuable to have a good working relationship with the media. 

 

So, for example, when Ballard said 'I don't want to compare QBs,' then someone asked Steichen a similar question and he answered 'like Chris said, we're not gonna compare QBs.' Then whoever asked the question clarified that they were talking about offensive approach, and Steichen goes 'yeah, I'm not gonna talk about scheme, either.' Really?

 

Now, Reich would just give away the gameplan, and that was annoying. But in this case, Steichen couldn't talk about what kind of advantages he sees in having a QB like Richardson, or how they think they can deploy him as he develops, or anything like that? He didn't even try to dress it up and give a coachspeak answer, either. Just shut it down, not even entertaining what I thought was actually a legitimate question. Generally, I don't care too much because I don't expect to get anything meaningful from what the coach says, but that annoyed me, and seemed borderline rude.

some people prefer that kind of approach. 

 

i didn't mind it at all. rather him just flat out say not gonna talk about it, rather than dance around the question with generic coach speak. 

 

next question.

[Superman]

3 minutes ago, AustinnKaine said:

some people prefer that kind of approach. 

 

i didn't mind it at all. rather him just flat out say not gonna talk about it, rather than dance around the question with generic coach speak. 

 

next question.

 

Some people might prefer it, which is cool. I thought it was rude and unnecessary. 

[braveheartcolt]

8 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

Richardson is so incredibly elite it almost feels inadequate to call him that.   There’s elite every year, but AR’s only come along every 10-20 years, it in this case, perhaps never before.  
 

I think he’s a complete Freak of Nature.  A total Unicorn!   

In what way NFC? I’ve not seen any decent take, apart from the 2 min highlight reel.

[NewColtsFan]

3 minutes ago, AustinnKaine said:

some people prefer that kind of approach. 

 

i didn't mind it at all. rather him just flat out say not gonna talk about it, rather than dance around the question with generic coach speak. 

 

next question.

Right now, Steichen is in the Honeymoon phase every new HC gets.   But that can wear off fast.    What’s charming now can become old and tiring, especially if the Colts have a losing record this year which they likely will.  
 

In 24, the plan will be for Richardson to start all 17 games.   And if he doesn’t have a winning record in his first full complete year as a starter, people here will wonder how good a coach is he?  Is Steichen really a quarterback whisperer?   Popularity can be fickle.   His short answer interviews are already tired for me.  But I think he might be a very good, hopefully special head coach.   I sure hope so….

 

[NewColtsFan]

1 minute ago, braveheartcolt said:

In what way NFC? I’ve not seen any decent take, apart from the 2 min highlight reel.

Physically.   6’4” 244, runs 4.4.   Jumps high and far.   No other QB has ever come close to those physical traits.   He’s in a league of his own.  A class of one.  A complete Unicorn.
 

I only became seriously interested when I read AR is smart.   That’s he scored very high on this new so-called S-test.   Combine the high level physical skill with a high level mental aptitude gives me hope I wasn’t sure I’d ever feel.   

[krunk]

 

Mcshay talks pretty much about every point i harped on with Levis.

 

When Caserio said they had a guy come in there to meet with them and he talked bad about his coach i bet Levis did that. Lol!

[braveheartcolt]

2 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

Physically.   6’4” 244, runs 4.4.   Jumps high and far.   No other QB has ever come close to those physical traits.   He’s in a league of his own.  A class of one.  A complete Unicorn.
 

I only became seriously interested when I read AR is smart.   That’s he scored very high on this new so-called S-test.   Combine the high level physical skill with a high level mental aptitude gives me hope I wasn’t sure I’d ever feel.   

Gotcha sir, thanks for the info. On vacation now, but I’ll do some research on him when I get home. Cheers.

[krunk]

23 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

Richardson is so incredibly elite it almost feels inadequate to call him that.   There’s elite every year, but AR’s only come along every 10-20 years, it in this case, perhaps never before.  
 

I think he’s a complete Freak of Nature.  A total Unicorn!   

Im not sure in all my years of watching the Colts if we've had this type of athlete on any of the teams. Actually i take that back. Im certain we havent.

[Superman]

30 minutes ago, AustinnKaine said:

some people prefer that kind of approach. 

 

i didn't mind it at all. rather him just flat out say not gonna talk about it, rather than dance around the question with generic coach speak. 

 

next question.

 

Don't want to belabor the point, but wanted to mention the contrast with Ballard. Even though he had just said 'I don't want to compare QBs,' Ballard gave an insightful comment about similarities and traits and how they saw it, without giving away their scouting report. Then Steichen gets asked a similar but different question, and just shuts it down without even trying to offer anything meaningful. And it's a fair question; we want to know what the plan is for this super young, super raw, super talented QB that they just drafted with a super high pick. 

 

Like I said, between weak questions and formulaic answers, I don't expect a lot from the coach's pressers, so it's not like I'm gonna be hanging on every word. But that moment didn't go over well for me. And it seems to be his MO during pressers to be standoffish. And I think maybe because this is the first time we've seen him with Ballard, aside from the intro presser, the contrast was very pronounced. 

[Superman]

14 minutes ago, krunk said:

Im not sure in all my years of watching the Colts if we've had this type of athlete on any of the teams. Actually i take that back. Im certain we havent.

 

I remember being blown away by Dustin Keller's combine, the Purdue TE who went to the Jets in the first round. Richardson is taller, heavier, ran faster, jumped higher... 

 

Athletes like Richardson usually play linebacker or defensive end. He compares more to Nolan Smith than he does to any other QB in this class. 

[braveheartcolt]

4 minutes ago, Superman said:

 

Don't want to belabor the point, but wanted to mention the contrast with Ballard. Even though he had just said 'I don't want to compare QBs,' Ballard gave an insightful comment about similarities and traits and how they saw it, without giving away their scouting report. Then Steichen gets asked a similar but different question, and just shuts it down without even trying to offer anything meaningful. And it's a fair question; we want to know what the plan is for this super young, super raw, super talented QB that they just drafted with a super high pick. 

 

Like I said, between weak questions and formulaic answers, I don't expect a lot from the coach's pressers, so it's not like I'm gonna be hanging on every word. But that moment didn't go over well for me. And it seems to be his MO during pressers to be standoffish. And I think maybe because this is the first time we've seen him with Ballard, aside from the intro presser, the contrast was very pronounced. 

Fair point. Never been a fan of pressers or post match interviews. Stating the ‘bleedin’ obvious’ stuff. And I think you need to earn the ‘grumpy’ mantle, not start off like it. Belichick, Sir Alex Ferguson (if you follow soccer) and many other very successful coaches can get away with it, almost play up to their own turgid personality, but the newbies need to earn it. Although in a complete contradiction, maybe we’ve had too much of a nicey nicey approach over the years, what with Dungy and Caldwell and Chuck and Frank etc, maybe it’s time for some spikiness…..

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[LJpalmbeacher2]

Been reading some of the later posts above me.

 

There's not really much comparison of AR to Luck in passing. Luck was a much more accomplished passer than what AR is currently. 

Though  Luck also had size and mobility, his athleticism is not nearly what AR is. 

What I like about AR and think could make him elite and our best QB since manning  is he is intelligent and eager to put in the work to be the best he can be. And with that hunger and ambition to improve his craft, along with the freakish god given talent he has, I really think he may turn out to be great. 

 

Props to Morocco Brown, Steinchen, and Ballard for recognizing his potential and drafting him. I think they gambled not trading up to #3 and risked another team jumping them but fortunately it worked out and Ballard got to keep all his picks.Lol.

[superrep1967]

It'll be many years until he's ready I guess will just have to be patient.  Then maybe he turns into something I just hope he doesn't try to run on every down and get hurt by not sliding like Luck did. He is a major project and I think Steichen's ego got in the way on this one. I'm not holding my breath on this pick anytime soon he's just not ready by any means. So count on a lot of Minchew for about 3 years or so. I just wish Ballard had found someone better than Minchew during these down years. 

[csmopar]

3 hours ago, TomDiggs said:

I really, really wanna know who was the person at 5:50 asking AR how he thought Frank Reich would mentor him? and then asked it again when AR basically was like "Frank Reich?"....you could hear others in the room saying "wrong team" lol

 

that had to be embarrassing as all hell lol

 

 

I wanna know who the jerk wad that brought race into that media session was? Like really?! 

[csmopar]

3 hours ago, Superman said:

 

He rubbed me the wrong way in this one. Just unnecessarily curt and standoffish. One thing Ballard understands and quickly demonstrated is that it's valuable to have a good working relationship with the media. 

 

So, for example, when Ballard said 'I don't want to compare QBs,' then someone asked Steichen a similar question and he answered 'like Chris said, we're not gonna compare QBs.' Then whoever asked the question clarified that they were talking about offensive approach, and Steichen goes 'yeah, I'm not gonna talk about scheme, either.' Really?

 

Now, Reich would just give away the gameplan, and that was annoying. But in this case, Steichen couldn't talk about what kind of advantages he sees in having a QB like Richardson, or how they think they can deploy him as he develops, or anything like that? He didn't even try to dress it up and give a coachspeak answer, either. Just shut it down, not even entertaining what I thought was actually a legitimate question. Generally, I don't care too much because I don't expect to get anything meaningful from what the coach says, but that annoyed me, and seemed borderline rude.

Well the Hooded one has done this same approach for 20 plus years so if we even get half those results out of Shane and AR, I’ll be stoked