Andrew Luck to be placed on PUP List

[MTC]

Geathers being placed on PUP makes the Hooker pick even better.

[ColtsBlueFL]

7 hours ago, Valpo2004 said:

Question. . . Why put Luck on the PUP list.  

 

He can throw.  During practice he wears a red jersey.  So you can't hit him.  And he has no problems with his mobility.

 

 

He has not thrown a ball in 6+ months.  He is in no shape to throw a football in team practice drills.  The rehab throwing program will properly build his capabilities and he'll be off the PUP when he is nearly at his top shelf level once more.  Likely around 6 weeks or so from the beginning of his throwing rehab program.

 

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Is it just so he can devote him time to regaining strength??

 

Yes, under a strict program designed for that purpose.

 

5 hours ago, MB-ColtsFan said:

 That was my initial (non-professional) thought as well.  This may be just as much to protect Andrew from himself.  Don't let him overextend himself by thinking he has the strength to throw the long ball, thus possibly aggravating something.

 

It is so he is brought back to full strength under proven rehab protocols.  Such things take into account many items: Below are examples, and may or may not be similar to a program Luck and the Colts medical team are using-

 

Return to Throwing Program 1

 

Throwing Sport Specific Program:

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During warmup, it is very important to use heat prior to stretching (e.g., hot pack, whirlpool, hot shower, etc.). Heat increases circulation and activates some of the natural lubricants of the body.

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Perform stretching exercises after applying the heat modality and then proceed with the throwing program.

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Throw on line, sub maximal, pain free / comfort zone

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Pay attention to mechanics

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Use ice after throwing to reduce cellular damage and decrease the inflammatory response to microtrauma.

 

 

Return to Throwing Program 2

 

Criteria for progression to the next level:

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No pain or stiffness when throwing

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No pain or stiffness after throwing

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All throwing should be effortless motion

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Every other day

– may go to every 3 rd day if fatigue/soreness persists

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Satisfactory response following 3 days of activity at each level

 

Below is a football related throwing rehab program: the ITP

 

 

Baseline requirements of throwing include:

1. Clearance by the athlete’s physician

2. Pain-free ROM

3. Adequate muscle power

4. Adequate muscle resistance to fatigue

Guidelines

1. Allow one day of rest between throwing sessions

2. Perform interval throwing program before engaging in strengthening routine

3. The athlete must complete two or three sessions at each step without

complications before advancing

 

The complete program and the 5 phases of the Interval Throwing Program at this web site-

 

http://drwaltlowe.com/media/files/page/Interval-Throwing-Program-Football_1.pdf

 

Enjoy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Archer]

I've got a bad feeling about Langford.  With the deep DL we've got, I wonder if there's room for a 31 YO veteran limping back from a major injury.  if he's not off the PUP soon, I fear a younger and healthier player who actually has a long-term future with the team takes his roster spot...

[Mr. Irrelevant]

7 hours ago, WoolMagnet said:

Its impossible to take you seriously when you call yourself "mr irrelevant"

 

Hey man! I'm last pick standing! Show some respect! 

[IinD]

I'm really hoping Geathers doesn't become one of those players where you dream about how good he could have been if it weren't for injuries.

 

Can't wait to see a Luck that isn't hurt seeing as how well he played last year overall.

[jskinnz]

15 hours ago, Valpo2004 said:

Question. . . Why put Luck on the PUP list.  

 

He can throw.  During practice he wears a red jersey.  So you can't hit him.  And he has no problems with his mobility.

 

Is it just so he can devote him time to regaining strength??

 

It protects the Colts in the event of some sort of setback during training camp.  They can carry him on PUP into the season if by chance it is necessary without devoting a roster spot.  If he was not on PUP and there is a setback in his recovery, the options are using roster spot or putting him on IR.

 

 

[lollygagger8]

11 hours ago, WoolMagnet said:

Kinda like this message board?

 

Sort of. 

 

Only Stephen Holder gets paid for it. 

[deedub75]

12 hours ago, WoolMagnet said:

It keeps a roster spot open i believe

 

I don't think they really had a choice. If he starts out on the PUP list in training camp then he'd be eligible to start the regular season on the PUP list if there were a set back of some sort. 

[JColts72]

Was the owner, GM, coaches all asleep at the wheel to not have a good 2nd string QB option, Everybody at home knows Luck will not be ready 100% and may not be so overall.

[Chrisaaron1023]

Dang.. wasn't Peyton manning 2011 on the PUP list to start training camp.. they teased up all the way till he went to Denver that year .. I don't like this

[throwing BBZ]

18 hours ago, Valpo2004 said:

Question. . . Why put Luck on the PUP list.  

 

He can throw.  During practice he wears a red jersey.  So you can't hit him.  And he has no problems with his mobility.

 

Is it just so he can devote him time to regaining strength??

 

 Probably because he can only throw it 10 yards and 10-15 reps.now.
 He still has about 45 days to get stronger. That sounds good, but an NFL arm
has to be mighty strong, and his shoulder ready to take some heavy hits.
 Should his workout numbers be similar to what they were pre-injury, before they risk the shoulder in games?
 I would be shocked if he is 80% of where he was at this time. lol

[Chrisaaron1023]

lol just as geathers gets PUPed we're hyping Hooker.. then this crap  happenes PUPed

[King Colt]

It's not like the Colts will have to win 12-14 games to take the division. If Luck needs to sit 5-6 games so be it. If he fights a shoulder problem in consecutive seasons kiss his career goodbye. It's bad enough the Colts brain trust never gave much thought to protecting him in his first years to now throw him to the lions with a 6"  blade will be seen as the worst move in Colts history. If necessary, sit him for the year.

Without Luck the Colts can win the first 5 (Rams, Cards, Browns, 49ers and Jags) of the first 7 seven games and even with Luck getting by Seattle and Tennessee will take some doing. 

[ColtsBlueFL]

On 7/25/2017 at 8:03 AM, deedub75 said:

 

I don't think they really had a choice. If he starts out on the PUP list in training camp then he'd be eligible to start the regular season on the PUP list if there were a set back of some sort. 

If Luck were to show up at practice, even for just a minute or 2, he is ineligible to go on the pre season PUP, period. If you are placed on it before training camp, he can be activated at any time when deemed ready. He is by no means nearly ready for team practice/drills at this stage in rehab.

[GoColts8818]

16 hours ago, JColts72 said:

Was the owner, GM, coaches all asleep at the wheel to not have a good 2nd string QB option, Everybody at home knows Luck will not be ready 100% and may not be so overall.

That should tell you that they either have a lot of faith in Tolizen or Morris or that they feel good about the probability of Luck being ready to go week one.  Will he be as sharp as he can be?  More than likely no, but let's be real if Luck is healthy enough to play the Colts aren't starting another QB over him even if Luck is rusty.

[deedub75]

7 hours ago, GoColts8818 said:

That should tell you that they either have a lot of faith in Tolizen or Morris or that they feel good about the probability of Luck being ready to go week one.  Will he be as sharp as he can be?  More than likely no, but let's be real if Luck is healthy enough to play the Colts aren't starting another QB over him even if Luck is rusty.

 

They do have a history of waiting until the last minute when it comes to signing a backup QB. 

[GoColts8818]

3 hours ago, deedub75 said:

 

They do have a history of waiting until the last minute when it comes to signing a backup QB. 

They did that once under a completely different leadership team when they brought in Collins.

 

If you are talking about a couple of years ago that was a different situation because they already had the guy who would start if Luck couldn't go in Hasselbeck on the roster.  

[deedub75]

1 hour ago, GoColts8818 said:

They did that once under a completely different leadership team when they brought in Collins.

 

If you are talking about a couple of years ago that was a different situation because they already had the guy who would start if Luck couldn't go in Hasselbeck on the roster.  

 

The leadership is the same - Irsay. 

[GoColts8818]

1 hour ago, deedub75 said:

 

The leadership is the same - Irsay. 

The owner is the same the GM and coaches are not.  Especially under the Polian era he pretty much turned total control of the team over to Polian and let him run the show to the point some feel that's part of the reason Polian got fired at the end Irsay wanted control back.

[Restored]

My ONLY concern with Luck's injury at this point is the level of rust he will have coming into the season. It's fair to look back on the 2008 season when Peyton Manning was coming into the season after knee surgery. He was noticeably rusty (whether from lack of practice or recovering from the injury or both) and it took until mid-season for him to truly regain form. Different injuries but the lack of practice reps heading into the regular season will still be about the same for both of them.

[Dingus McGirt]

On ‎7‎/‎25‎/‎2017 at 9:12 AM, throwing BBZ said:

 

 Probably because he can only throw it 10 yards and 10-15 reps.now.
 He still has about 45 days to get stronger. That sounds good, but an NFL arm
has to be mighty strong, and his shoulder ready to take some heavy hits.
 Should his workout numbers be similar to what they were pre-injury, before they risk the shoulder in games?
 I would be shocked if he is 80% of where he was at this time. lol

I had rotator cuff surgery 12 years ago.  Still can't throw.  Never could, really...LOL