Denver (+1.5) at Oakland (11-6-16)

[oldunclemark]

8:30 p.m. EST with Al Michaels, Cris Collinsworth and Michelle Tafoya on NBC

Mid-50s and cloudy in northern California....over-under 43

 

Denver's Trevor Siemian (132 of 214, 1,467 yards, 8 TDs, 4 INts) hads had shaky moments but the Broncos are 5-1 with him starting

Emmanual Sanders (44 catches, 567 yards, 3 TDs) and Demariyus Thomas (42 catches, 535 yards, 4 TDs) have ben good but they're looking for that

'Julio Jones' kinda game 

With CJ Anderson out and Devontae Booker (70 carries, 298 yards, 2 Tds) questionable, the Broncos may throw more than usual..

Raiders'  Derek Carr (214 of 323, 2,321 yards., 1& Tds, 3 INts) is coming off a career-best 513 yards passing last week but he faces

the Broncos top-ranked (average of 183 yards allowed in 8 games) defense which has 24 sacks and eight interceptions

WR Amari Cooper (52 catches, 787 yards) will take on Denver's Chris Harris..

Michael Crabtree (47 catches, 569 yards) probably faces Denver's Bradley Roby...Aqib Talib is probably out again with a bad back..

 

Denver draws a lot of penalties ( 59 for 493 yards) but they take a back seat to the Raiders.

Oakland leads the NFL with 86 penalties in 8 games...for 728 yards in losses...The all-time NFL record of 163 for 1,358 was set by the Raiders in 2011.

Oakland (6-2) drew 27 penalties last week../tampa refused four of them..but 23 is still an NFL record...Denver (6-2) hasn't allowed more then 23 points (Atlanta) in any game

The 'soon to be Las Vegas' Raiders are 5-0 on the road....  The winner take the lead in the AFC West

 

 

This one will be fun..in the stands, too...as Broncos fans try to invade the Oakland Coliseum..

The over-under on Raiders holding penalties is 4......take the over..

I'd take the over on points here, too

 

[2006Coltsbestever]

This is the type of game I stay away from if I am betting. I have no idea who wins this LOL, it should an entertaining game and fun to watch.

[Superman]

That's an interesting line.

[oldunclemark]

They love the Raiders in Vegas (whoops, did I say that?)

[oldunclemark]

Talib is out for the Broncos

[19colt]

1 hour ago, oldunclemark said:

Talib is out for the Broncos

 And another corner, Webster.

Will be interesting to see if this changes what they normally try to do on D. 

[2006Coltsbestever]

With Talib out I favor the Raiders now. I had this game 50/50 before that news.

[oldunclemark]

11 hours ago, 19colt said:

 And another corner, Webster.

Will be interesting to see if this changes what they normally try to do on D. 

Down 2 corners.....I think that makes Lorenzo Doss...the 3rd corner...and I don't knw who the fourth DB would be...probably a safety..

 

That would suggest that the Broncos will blitz less and use less single coverage, right?

Makes them easier to play against

[oldunclemark]

This could be a very rough game

[oldunclemark]

Broncos starting  very slowly..they may not be able to get away with it here

[oldunclemark]

Denver offense is just bad....no first downs in the first quarter.

.......that attack is hardly working for the weak- end

[FloridaColtsFan]

On 11/5/2016 at 11:59 AM, oldunclemark said:

They love the Raiders in Vegas (whoops, did I say that?)

 

Having an NFL team in Vegas should be very interesting. What happens in Vegas won't stay in Vegas.

[19colt]

Denver D missing Talib as they aren't selling out on the run as much. Offensively, Kubiak is just not a very good play caller IMO unless his run game is dominating. 

[Malakai432]

Oaklands run game is dominating big time w 120+ yards @ half......

[BloodyChamp]

It's 13-20. It'd be typical of the Raiders to let this slip away, not because they're the Raiders but because this is SNF. They seem like they got this though. They're getting it done against a defense that came to play in spite of their injuries.

[19colt]

Sadly another flag fest

[oldunclemark]

Trevor S. is starting to look like a 7th round draft choice

[oldunclemark]

3 minutes ago, 19colt said:

Sadly another flag fest

The refs have to let the DBs do something.....but obviously they dont

[oldunclemark]

Raiders just let the Broncos 3rd string RB go 69 yards...30-20 now

[Jules]

This is it, this has to be finally the year we get the long awaited rematch of the Patriots and Raiders in the playoffs.

 

Go Raiders!!!!!!!

[Gabriel Alexander Morillo]

Raiders have been my Madden team since week one. Happy to see them win. 

 

You can tell Carr has "it". he makes adjustments and throws to where guys are going to be, not where they are. Something I'd like to see out of Luck more. 

[oldunclemark]

       AFC West...its on...Oakland has to play KC and they have to go to Denver

 

I don't think Denver and KC have played at all yet

[oldunclemark]

    Without their corners and without Derek Wolfe ...Broncos defense isn't great..

 

..but they had what 40 yards rushing...that's a loser right there

[chad72]

Just goes to show you how a very good OL like that of the Cowboys and Raiders can control games real well. 

 

Carr is a quick learner and there's a reason the Raiders do not turn the ball over much.

[Jules]

3 minutes ago, oldunclemark said:

       AFC West...its on...Oakland has to play KC and they have to go to Denver

 

I don't think Denver and KC have played at all yet

 

It is SO on.

 

And it's on too in the South with the Colts and Texans. 

 

IT IS SO ON.

[19colt]

1 hour ago, oldunclemark said:

    Without their corners and without Derek Wolfe ...Broncos defense isn't great..

 

..but they had what 40 yards rushing...that's a loser right there

Exactly. Kubiak was brought in to install a physical run game but abandon's it very quickly. Not great support for a 7th round pick that is constantly faced with 3rd and 7. 

[2006Coltsbestever]

Denver wont Repeat without Peyton and I am not implying that Peyton is why they won because he wasn't Great at all but his presence alone scared teams and he was Good against the Patriots. I don't think their Defense is playing as Great either as last season.

[19colt]

3 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Denver won Repeat without Peyton and I am not implying that Peyton is why they won because he wasn't Great at all but his presence alone scared teams and he was Good against the Patriots. I don't think their Defense is playing as Great either as last season.

Peyton at least gave them a plan B when Kubiak's plan kept failing on offense. Not that Kubiak used him properly. Denver is really lacking a plan B on offense right now. Unless the D is getting them ball in good field position or their run game actually clicks for once - they don't have much. 

[2006Coltsbestever]

Just now, 19colt said:

Peyton at least gave them a plan B when Kubiak's plan kept failing on offense. Not that Kubiak used him properly. Denver is really lacking a plan B on offense right now. Unless the D is getting them ball in good field position or their run game actually clicks for once - they don't have much. 

I agree, and won = wont Repeat but It looks like you knew that. I thought Peyton brought experience and the scare element against the Pats, had Brock been in that situation Broncos lose. Brady and BB would've ate them alive JMO.

[oldunclemark]

6 hours ago, 19colt said:

Exactly. Kubiak was brought in to install a physical run game but abandon's it very quickly. Not great support for a 7th round pick that is constantly faced with 3rd and 7. 

Yeah...you're right.....I dont want to talk bad about Siemian....he makes a few plays..

..and this was his 8th start,,,he's OK....2 TDs..one INT ..and he'll get better

/..and their 'D; was shorthanded last night....down 2 corners..Wolfe left in the 3rd Q..Marshall was imping

 

....you've got to be able to run the ball better than that..That's their starting O-line..all their TEs were active.

CJ Anderson isnt BO Jackson.....the backup runners can run if there's blocking...

Its not there...

[oldunclemark]

6 hours ago, 19colt said:

Peyton at least gave them a plan B when Kubiak's plan kept failing on offense. Not that Kubiak used him properly. Denver is really lacking a plan B on offense right now. Unless the D is getting them ball in good field position or their run game actually clicks for once - they don't have much. 

There is still the 'story line' that Peyton did nothing last year and they won 'despite him'

Those comments come from folks who don't understand what the QB does

 

They lead the NFL in 3-and-outs..and they have 2 games with KC left plus NE and Oakland again.

 

[2006Coltsbestever]

10 minutes ago, oldunclemark said:

There is still the 'story line' that Peyton did nothing last year and they won 'despite him'

Those comments come from folks who don't understand what the QB does

 

They lead the NFL in 3-and-outs..and they have 2 games with KC left plus NE and Oakland again.

 

Peyton's presence was huge and he did play Good against the Pats. Everyone knows if Brock plays against the Pats they wouldn't of won in a Title Game situation. Denver will not Repeat with the QB they have now, might not make the Playoffs.

[Happy2BeHere]

I can easily see the broncos tumbling from this point forward

[-JJ-]

All I can say is that Raider's team is FAST

[chad72]

5 hours ago, oldunclemark said:

There is still the 'story line' that Peyton did nothing last year and they won 'despite him'

Those comments come from folks who don't understand what the QB does

 

They lead the NFL in 3-and-outs..and they have 2 games with KC left plus NE and Oakland again.

 

 

I second that. I see on the Broncos boards threads like "would we have taken 1 more year from Peyton?" etc. and I laugh.

 

It is also the reason stats are so misleading, it is the lazy man's argument without seeing how the game played out and what the QB did. So, he won a SB with 3 TDs and 7 INTs but lost one with 6 TDs and 2 INTs, go figure , it is a team game. 

[crazycolt1]

6 hours ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Peyton's presence was huge and he did play Good against the Pats. Everyone knows if Brock plays against the Pats they wouldn't of won in a Title Game situation. Denver will not Repeat with the QB they have now, might not make the Playoffs.

Maybe they should have made Brock their man? Oh, wait................................

[19colt]

8 hours ago, oldunclemark said:

Yeah...you're right.....I dont want to talk bad about Siemian....he makes a few plays..

..and this was his 8th start,,,he's OK....2 TDs..one INT ..and he'll get better

/..and their 'D; was shorthanded last night....down 2 corners..Wolfe left in the 3rd Q..Marshall was imping

 

....you've got to be able to run the ball better than that..That's their starting O-line..all their TEs were active.

CJ Anderson isnt BO Jackson.....the backup runners can run if there's blocking...

Its not there...

Right and to add Kubiak comes out every game throwing the ball despite wanting to be a running team. Makes no sense. Denver when healthy may have the only D to limit NE but their offense will cost them the playoffs at this rate.