Walden out

[ColtsBlueFL]

You cant argue with the rule book.  Walden deserved to be tossed (if you take the rule literally).  However, what happens if a player merely taps the ref on the back and says great job?  EJECTED?  Of course he wouldn't get tossed!!  Refs touching Walden was the primary factor of Walden touching the ref, so to be fair suspend the referee.  That would be justice!  Furthermore Gresham dancing like a clown and ridiculing Walden didn't deserve a penalty?  I don't care if the referee or the rulebook states it, call everything fairly.  Which never happens.  Every game refs have "make up calls" for blowing it on previous plays...  That's also injust.  I realize they're only human too, but don't make petty calls because you're butt hurt that Walden stood up to you.  The ref had no business putting his hand on Walden, therefore he should not have been thrown out. 

 

The referee is the police on the field.  It is his job to separate participants in an altercation to prevent any further escalation. if a player brushes off the ref doing that job, the NFL wants said player to sit out the rest of the game. And the commissioner will determine if more punishment is needed; depending upon what happened. No matter how heated you are, or innocent the gesture. No player has any right to stand up to an official.  Let the coaches make an argument/appeal. And then take it up with the League office later. No standing up to the Refs calls on the field.  The league can't, and won't stand for it.  That's why the Refs can, without question disqualify, a player. that tries and the (real) Police will personally escort that player off if he refuses to go.

 

The NFL rulebook is lengthy and specific.  If payers don't want to abide by them, they can go play in CFL or the Arena League.  But, ahem... , they also have lengthy rulebooks too.  ;-)

 

Gresham can act like Bo Bo the Clown jumping around like a giddy little school girl, as long as his antics and verbal output is not directed directly at the opponent, or the official. But I wish he did get a flag.

[BOTT]

Oversensitive ref

[ColtsBlueFL]

Precedent-

 

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000077882/article/vikings-harrison-smith-ejected-for-pushing-referee

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPX7qleLtzc

 

You don't even have to touch or graze an official, you can do it this way too!

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VFW2V_xv18

 

Even players on player hitting!  Player 1 gets 15 yard for illegal hit out of bounds, retaliating players hits back with fists, gets disqualified!

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKuKfLhIYSQ

 

 

The saying, the anti-Nike.  Just Don't. 

[ThE JoKeR]

That ref is a fan of Boy George, wondering why Walden wants to hurt him and make him cry.

[southwest1]

It was probably more verbal than touching the official.

 

That's what I think too. Walden probably claimed that a zebra call was a nonsense or are you bleeping blind zebra & his tongue got him ejected. Just because we didn't hear anything, it doesn't mean he didn't curse quietly under his breath. I myself have been busted for that. LOL! I know of what I speak personally here. 

What people are missing here is the context. What Walden was saying may have had an effect. 

Precisely, what was said & the tone or eye contact in which disgust was conveyed probably led to Walden's banishment from the game ruksak. 

 

The refs are authority figures. They are effectively 'police' on the field. You don't touch a cop, ever, or you get ejected from society. 

Right again man. Always know who is in charge & whose feet not to step on or royally tick off. When elite players say that "this game is won from the neck up" they are referring to more than just formations, playbook mastery, & field execution. Never allow another presence on the grass get under your skin. 

[Superfly Jay]

Walden shouldn't had been thrown out period.

[BOTT]

Precedent-

 

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000077882/article/vikings-harrison-smith-ejected-for-pushing-referee

 

 

You don't even have to touch or graze an official, you can do it this way too!

 

 

Even players on player hitting!  Player 1 gets 15 yard for illegal hit out of bounds, retaliating players hits back with fists, gets disqualified!

 

 

 

The saying, the anti-Nike.  Just Don't.

Oh who cares. There is precedent for cops giving speeding tickets for going 58 in a 55... doesn't make it right. In both the Kuechly and Walden case the refs overreacted. The refs should understand their role and the situation.

[Tsarquise]

Precedent-

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000077882/article/vikings-harrison-smith-ejected-for-pushing-referee

You don't even have to touch or graze an official, you can do it this way too!

Even players on player hitting! Player 1 gets 15 yard for illegal hit out of bounds, retaliating players hits back with fists, gets disqualified!

The saying, the anti-Nike. Just Don't.

Very submissive, cowardly attitude... I'm sure if they told you to kill yourself that you would do it.

[ruksak]

Oh who cares. There is precedent for cops giving speeding tickets for going 58 in a 55... doesn't make it right. In both the Kuechly and Walden case the refs overreacted. The refs should understand their role and the situation.

With Keuchly, the ref screwed up. He's lucky he didn't get a broken nose for being dumb enough to grab a player from behind like that. Ejecting Luke was insulting to me as a fan. You don't grab people like that from behind. If you get hit, it's on you.

 

Now Walden......no sir, dude has had that coming for a LONG time. The ref did him a favor. Hopefully, Walden being ejected will prevent him from further committing PF penalties, especially in the postseason. Walden has a history, if we want to talk precedent. He's ripped players helmets off after the whistle, taunted, and shoved players down after the play on numerous occasions. 

 

I fully support his ejection. The Keuchly incident, I wish the ref had been knocked out cold for being so foolish. 

[ruksak]

 

[Tsarquise]

Oh who cares. There is precedent for cops giving speeding tickets for going 58 in a 55... doesn't make it right. In both the Kuechly and Walden case the refs overreacted. The refs should understand their role and the situation.

Yeah it's like saying a person deserved a traffic ticket for going over the speed limit by one for like two seconds because it's the law!

Whoever thinks Walden should be ejected is a major pedant. Common sense should prevail. Walden's intent wasn't to touch the official. It seemed as though he was pushing the player off of him and his arm brushed the official.

Lots of submissive, pedantic sentiments being expressed in this thread.

[Horse Shoe Heaven]

Neither should have been thrown out period, neither one want at the ref in a aggressive fashion, that is what the rule is for! Period!

[BOTT]

With Keuchly, the ref screwed up. He's lucky he didn't get a broken nose for being dumb enough to grab a player from behind like that. Ejecting Luke was insulting to me as a fan. You don't grab people like that from behind. If you get hit, it's on you.

 

Now Walden......no sir, dude has had that coming for a LONG time. The ref did him a favor. Hopefully, Walden being ejected will prevent him from further committing PF penalties, especially in the postseason. Walden has a history, if we want to talk precedent. He's ripped players helmets off after the whistle, taunted, and shoved players down after the play on numerous occasions. 

 

I fully support his ejection. The Keuchly incident, I wish the ref had been knocked out cold for being for foolish.

Oh no, he accidentally grazed the arm of an old fat ref. And frankly, I I don't mind Walden's extra curricular activities....a football team can't be full of Boy Scouts.

[Tsarquise]

What the hell?

We're having a discussion here. No reason to go and say something entirely immature like that. Childish post IMO.

Actually I guess that was kind of harsh. But I was trying to make a point.

[southwest1]

That ref is a fan of Boy George, wondering why Walden wants to hurt him and make him cry.

Bonus points for incorporating a zebra exile call with a Boy George song Joker. Very original actually. 

 

It would have been funny if the TV network cut to a commercial break playing "Do you really want to hurt me? or "The Crying Game" in a snippet chorus refrain. I'm weird that way. Enough said. 

[ruksak]

Oh no, he accidentally grazed the arm of an old fat ref. And frankly, I I don't mind Walden's extra curricular activities....a football team can't be full of Boy Scouts.

Watching my team march backward 15 yards doesn't bring to me one small amount of pleasure. 

[ColtsBlueFL]

With Keuchly, the ref screwed up. He's lucky he didn't get a broken nose for being dumb enough to grab a player from behind like that. Ejecting Luke was insulting to me as a fan. You don't grab people like that from behind. If you get hit, it's on you.

 

Now Walden......no sir, dude has had that coming for a LONG time. The ref did him a favor. Hopefully, Walden being ejected will prevent him from further committing PF penalties, especially in the postseason. Walden has a history, if we want to talk precedent. He's ripped players helmets off after the whistle, taunted, and shoved players down after the play on numerous occasions. 

 

I fully support his ejection. The Keuchly incident, I wish the ref had been knocked out cold for being for foolish. 

 

I agree.  Walden was face up with ref, and the Cincy opponent ref wanted Walden to stay away from.  But maybe after the report, the League will look into just when a Flag only is sufficient.  Because of Walden's past, that might swing the call anyway.  And it was was surprising to see the league come out in favor of Kuechly, because they have / had? (according to Mike Pereira) a no tolerance policy on contact with officials.  So while rulebook is B/W, maybe league will allow some wiggle room for un-intentional contact that seems defensive and not offensive. 

 

OTOH, the league will protect their Officials, much like they're protecting defenseless players from kill shots.  I't will be interesting to see what Goodell says after the reports are filed.  If Walden gets a fine or more, we know where the line is drawn.

[Franklin County]

I don't think Walden should have been ejected for that little brush. Ref was on a power trip

[ColtsBlueFL]

Oh no, he accidentally grazed the arm of an old fat ref. And frankly, I I don't mind Walden's extra curricular activities....a football team can't be full of Boy Scouts.

 

While walking, I accidentally slip off sidewalk curb into your car door and push a dent in on it.  I don't have to responsible to fix it then right? Got it.

[ruksak]

I don't think Walden should have been ejected for that little brush. Ref was on a power trip

Recognizing that refs have power is key to a player not allowing said ref to "trip".

[ColtsBlueFL]

I don't think Walden should have been ejected for that little brush. Ref was on a power trip

 

How about Brandon Stokley on this?  It's at the end...

 

 

[BOTT]

While walking, I accidentally slip off sidewalk curb into your car door and push a dent in on it.  I don't have to responsible to fix it then right? Got it.

And you think that is a good analogy? Lol.

[Franklin County]

Said ref had his panties in a bunch

[Franklin County]

Stokley should have never happened. There should have been a flag for pass interference or holding never paid that much attention.

 Lazy old ref didn't want to throw a flag. He probably had money on the Eagles.

[ColtsBlueFL]

Oh who cares. There is precedent for cops giving speeding tickets for going 58 in a 55... doesn't make it right. In both the Kuechly and Walden case the refs overreacted. The refs should understand their role and the situation.

 

Just because you don't feel it's right doesn't make it so either.  Challenge it in court and tell them it isn't right and throw it out.

[BOTT]

Just because you don't feel it's right doesn't make it so either.  Challenge it in court and tell them it isn't right and throw it out.

You continue to make wonderful arguments

[ColtsBlueFL]

And you think that is a good analogy? Lol.

And you know for sure Walden didn't "Say" something abusive or vulgar  to the official?  That is what more than a few of us thinks happened. Who says it was the 'so called accidental' brushing off the arm of the ref?  Or Walden might have been using the racial slurs outlawed this year... toward Gresham or maybe the official.    There could have been more to it.  Any of that will get you tossed. You cannot proclaim to know the whole story.  The ref will have to report it to Goodell. We'll see what he says then.  And other have been ejected for less before.  See Stokley video.

[Dustin]

Just because you don't feel it's right doesn't make it so either. Challenge it in court and tell them it isn't right and throw it out.

 

If I cut down a cactus in Arizona, I can get 25 years in prison.  

 

This is obviously the right ruling, because it is the rules. 

[corgi]

While walking, I accidentally slip off sidewalk curb into your car door and push a dent in on it.  I don't have to responsible to fix it then right? Got it.

You should be responsible and issue an apology to anyone that read that failed attempt at an analogy.

[ColtsBlueFL]

You continue to make wonderful arguments

 

Your straw man... you own it.

[BOTT]

And you know for sure Walden didn't "Say" something abusive or vulgar  to the official?  That is what more than a few of us thinks happened. Who says it was the 'so called accidental' brushing off the arm of the ref?  Or Walden might have been using the racial slurs outlawed this year... toward Gresham or maybe the official.    There could have been more to it.  Any of that will get you tossed. You cannot proclaim to know the whole story.  The ref will have to report it to Goodell. We'll see what he says then.  And other have been ejected for less before.  See Stokley video.

Or maybe the ref hates black people.

And what stokley did was worse than walden

[corgi]

And you know for sure Walden didn't "Say" something abusive or vulgar  to the official?  That is what more than a few of us thinks happened. Who says it was the 'so called accidental' brushing off the arm of the ref?  Or Walden might have been using the racial slurs outlawed this year... toward Gresham or maybe the official.    There could have been more to it.  Any of that will get you tossed. You cannot proclaim to know the whole story.  The ref will have to report it to Goodell. We'll see what he says then.  And other have been ejected for less before.  See Stokley video.

Exactly what racial slur was he using towards a white official? I've been white for 28 years now and I'm still waiting for an offensive slur directed towards my race.

[BOTT]

Your straw man... you own it.

Makes sense

[ColtsBlueFL]

You should be responsible and issue an apology to anyone that read that failed attempt at an analogy.

So if you accidentally break a rule, you should get a pass, but if you accidently break something tangible, you don't.  If so, then I apologize for the analogy.

[corgi]

So if you accidentally break a rule, you should get a pass, but if you accidently break something tangible, you don't.  If so, the I apologize.

? <--- Question Mark, they are quite useful. Also do you read what you type, or do you just mash a bunch of keys and hit post?

[ColtsBlueFL]

Exactly what racial slur was he using towards a white official? I've been white for 28 years now and I'm still waiting for an offensive slur directed towards my race.

Racial slurs could be directed to Gresham, to the official (or Gresham as well), it only has to be  "abusive, threatening, or insulting language" as has been pointed out in at least two prior posts that appears you have completely skipped over. And i think things were said, but not exactly what.

[Coffeedrinker]

Yeah it's like saying a person deserved a traffic ticket for going over the speed limit by one for like two seconds because it's the law!

Whoever thinks Walden should be ejected is a major pedant. Common sense should prevail. Walden's intent wasn't to touch the official. It seemed as though he was pushing the player off of him and his arm brushed the official.

Lots of submissive, pedantic sentiments being expressed in this thread.

I don't think that word means what you think it means.

Walden deserved to get the flag, whether he deserved to get ejected no one besides the players around there really know because, like other's have stated it's not just the push but also the words being said at the time.  

 

Anyone that claims, definitively, that he should not have been ejected is really basing that opinion on ignorance of the situation.

[ColtsBlueFL]

My last post. Ref has both arms out in between Walden and Gresham to keep them separated and from things escalating.  Walden has right arm cocked and aimed toward Refs chest. Walden looking right into Refs face, not Gresham.

 

 

Walden pushes off the ref, not accidentally, it would appear. Looking right at him still.

 

 

Slow motion loop.  It takes awhile before ref clumsily tries to throw the flag.  He wasn't trigger happy until a certain point.  Then appears he can't get to that flag fast enough.  Many posts ago, I'm on record stating I thought the ref was going to let things slide, but then something changed his mind.  I understand other don't feel that way, but it is the way it looks to me right now.  when the story comes out we'll know more.

 

[Coffeedrinker]

Exactly what racial slur was he using towards a white official? I've been white for 28 years now and I'm still waiting for an offensive slur directed towards my race.

Cracker?  That one was pretty famous here recently down in Florida.  White bread, honky, gringo, bule?  Never heard of any of those?

[Indianapolis-Colts-Fan]

My last post. Ref has both arms out in between Walden and Gresham to keep them separated and from things escalating. Walden has right arm cocked and aimed toward Refs chest. Walden looking right into Refs face, not Gresham.

Walden pushes off the ref, not accidentally, it would appear. Looking right at him still.

Slow motion loop. It takes awhile before ref clumsily tries to throw the flag. He wasn't trigger happy until a certain point. Then appears he can't get to that flag fast enough. Many posts ago, I'm on record stating I thought the ref was going to let things slide, but then something changed his mind. I understand other don't feel that way, but it is the way it looks to me right now. when the story comes out we'll know more.

I presonally agree with this. After reading the rule.

You can clearly see him slapping his arm away. It was not un intentional. You can tell by his body language he's slapping the refs arm away in a disrespectful manner. And what football player doesn't have a mouth full of nonsense smack talk? Of any on our team does, it's Walden.