Colts Free Agency thread

[Valpo2004]

I think we sign Decker to start Free Agency. We just seem interested in him and I bet Grigson feels that we have to sign him right away or we won't get him. We als have had little or no interest in guys like James Jones, Hakeem Nicks and Jarius Byrd that for different reasons could be picked up instead of Decker. I'm worried about CB the most with Davis most likely gone, but I think we go CB in the draft.

 

Remember there is always a fog of war on these FA things.  

 

I actually think we sign Nicks on a 1 year prove it deal.  I sort of think he let the cat out of the bag when he said that he would be "dangerous with a guy like Andrew Luck throwing him the ball."  He specifically mentioned Luck's name.  

[corgi]

Aaron Wilson ‏@RavensInsider 2h

Sources predict Arthur Jones will sign with the Indianapolis Colts as soon as today. Expected between $6 million and $7 million per year

[Bravo]

Well just got an update to Team stream saying colts are expected to sign Athrur Jones $6-7 mill per year

[PeterBowman]

Aaron Wilson ‏@RavensInsider 2h

Sources predict Arthur Jones will sign with the Indianapolis Colts as soon as today. Expected between $6 million and $7 million per year

just to beat the others to the punch.....overpriced!!!!!

 

 

 

jk

[SteelCityColt]

Without wishing to derail the thread.. never suffered with shakes if you get me or protein in general... now carbs... urgh reflux central. 

 

I'll meet you guys half way and for an omelette for tea when I get in later. 

 

 

So in an attempt to kill some time that doesn't involve discussing umm food anyone care to make some predictions for opening of FA? I'll go for we sign Arthur Jones, the more I hear, the more it makes sense. 

 

 

Aaron Wilson ‏@RavensInsider 2h

Sources predict Arthur Jones will sign with the Indianapolis Colts as soon as today. Expected between $6 million and $7 million per year

 

Wow I've never been called a source before ;)

[Bravo]

Seems like a lot of Baltimore Fans are saying we payed to much for him... If that is actual terms of the contract

[corgi]

Seems like a lot of Baltimore Fans are saying we payed to much for him... If that is actual terms of the contract

Probably is high, but I feel like people say "they overpaid" for every FA.

[TKnight24]

Probably is high, but I feel like people say "they overpaid" for every FA.

That and Ravens fans are mad cause we got him

[SteelCityColt]

Probably is high, but I feel like people say "they overpaid" for every FA.

 

That's the nature of FA though surely, you will always "overpay", especially when you compare to some Rookies under the new wage scale. By default surely the economy of the NFL is going through a bit of a transition with that and the increased cap, it's going to take a while to work out what the "value" of players is. 

[corgi]

That and Ravens fans are mad cause we got him

Well just add that to the list of reasons the Ravens fans are mad at the Colts.

[Dustin]

Seems like a lot of Baltimore Fans are saying we payed to much for him... If that is actual terms of the contract

 

TIL Baltimore fans don't understand market value. Everson Griffin got an $8m dollar deal for basically no production. We get one of the better run defending DEs in the NFL for around $7M. 

 

Not to mention that a deal for $7M APY next year will be equivalent to a $5.25M APY last year because of the cap increase. 

[PeterBowman]

Well just add that to the list of reasons the Ravens fans are mad at the Colts.

that and, the Colts D line gets better, their Dline gets worse........not the Colts' fault they paid $20 mil/ year for an average qb

[adamthyst]

Time to shake things up. BRING ON THE FREE AGENTS!

 

Oh, and sign Vontae back, please.

[SteelCityColt]

that and, the Colts D line gets better, their Dline gets worse........not the Colts' fault they paid $20 mil/ year for an average qb

 

Indirectly we did play a small part in this... we knock the Ravens out in the playoffs in 12 and no way Joe gets that sort of money

[PeterBowman]

Indirectly we did play a small part in this... we knock the Ravens out in the playoffs in 12 and no way Joe gets that sort of money

HA!! one of the few times losing in the playoffs has its perks lol

[TKnight24]

Y'all can say what you want about Mr. Chuck Pagano...... but his ties to Baltimore have/will brought/bring us some good things/players

Cory Redding & now possibly Arthur Jones

Only bad seed he brought was Zib

[Valpo2004]

That's the nature of FA though surely, you will always "overpay", especially when you compare to some Rookies under the new wage scale. By default surely the economy of the NFL is going through a bit of a transition with that and the increased cap, it's going to take a while to work out what the "value" of players is. 

 

+1 the market determines a players wage.  There are of course exceptions but the very nature of free agency is to over pay for players.  Plus the rookie wage scale just makes this seem even bigger.

 

You think about it the cap hit in Andrew Luck next year is 6 million.  Of course it's gonna seem like just about every QB is being overpaid next to Andrew's contract for the moment.

 

Ultimately what that means is that championships are won through drafting well.  Very few starters in FA play for cheap.  Rookie's on the other hand play for cheap for 4 years.  

[corgi]

Y'all can say what you want about Mr. Chuck Pagano...... but his ties to Baltimore have/will brought/bring us some good things/players

Cory Redding & now possibly Arthur Jones

Only bad seed he brought was Zib

Yeah that was awful.

[TKnight24]

Yeah that was awful.

well we really didn't have much to work with. The first year was a trial & error kind of year

Notice we let go off Zib & recently Satele. We're slowing starting to see the front office get rid of the weak links. It just took awhile to get rid of Satele cause there we no other options really

[SteelCityColt]

+1 the market determines a players wage.  There are of course exceptions but the very nature of free agency is to over pay for players.  Plus the rookie wage scale just makes this seem even bigger.

 

You think about it the cap hit in Andrew Luck next year is 6 million.  Of course it's gonna seem like just about every QB is being overpaid next to Andrew's contract for the moment.

 

Ultimately what that means is that championships are won through drafting well.  Very few starters in FA play for cheap.  Rookie's on the other hand play for cheap for 4 years.  

 

Couldn't agree any more, if there wasn't enough incentive to draft well before there certainly is now, why I worry somewhat about how trigger happy Grigson can be with picks. 

 

I'd add it's very rare for a top tier talent to hit FA but FAs will get paid like top tier talent (Mike Wallace?!.... $17.25 million  ). However  I do think you can fill gaps and build depth with the mid-range FAs certainly. 

[PeterBowman]

well we really didn't have much to work with. The first year was a trial & error kind of year

Notice we let go off Zib & recently Satele. We're slowing starting to see the front office get rid of the weak links. It just took awhile to get rid of Satele cause there we no other options really

exactly, pickens were slim in that first year....beggers coudln't be choosers then

[Valpo2004]

Y'all can say what you want about Mr. Chuck Pagano...... but his ties to Baltimore have/will brought us some good things

Cory Redding & now possibly Arthur Jones

Only bad seed he brought was Zib

 

Zib might have been a signing out of necessity though.  Considering the cap space we had going into 2012, Grigs had to get a cheap player.  We had like 40 million in dead money and 20 million going to Freeney.  

 

Because of that you pretty much can't give Grigs a negative rating for any Free agent he brought in before the 2012 season.  

[TKnight24]

Zib might have been a signing out of necessity though. Considering the cap space we had going into 2012, Grigs had to get a cheap player. We had like 40 million in dead money and 20 million going to Freeney.

Because of that you pretty much can't give Grigs a negative rating for any Free agent he brought in before the 2012 season.

Yeah but yet people still bash Grigson for any reason they can find

[Caleb3502]

Do any of us think Vaughn might be resigned or signed by another team. I could see like a 1 year, 1 mil contract possibly.

[NewEra]

I feel like a kid on Christmas morning! Whatever happens today, I have to believe that those making the decisions know best. With that said, bring me EDS, Browner, Byrd, and Jones.

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[Nobody]

I'd prefer 50 million threads so I get a notification instead of having to wade through 39 pages for a signing.

[ProblChld32]

That and Ravens fans are mad cause we got him

 

Agreed, they certainly are upset.

[corgi]

I'd prefer 50 million threads so I get a notification instead of having to wade through 39 pages for a signing.

sometimes there is comedy gold amongst the madness.

[TKnight24]

lmao

@HolderStephen: When I get fat and out of shape, I'll have the NFL to blame. Gotta cut this trip to the gym short. Phone is blowing up

[Valpo2004]

Couldn't agree any more, if there wasn't enough incentive to draft well before there certainly is now, why I worry somewhat about how trigger happy Grigson can be with picks. 

 

I'd add it's very rare for a top tier talent to hit FA but FAs will get paid like top tier talent (Mike Wallace?!.... $17.25 million  ). However  I do think you can fill gaps and build depth with the mid-range FAs certainly. 

 

Well you have a cap for a reason, you have to get some FA's in there.  No matter if they are your own guys you developed or guys on the market.  

 

I'm a little worried about Grig's trading habits but the good news is that he's usually traded for FA's who are still on rookie contracts, even if those trades havn't worked out like we would like them to.

 

As with Mike Wallace I think that is one of the few times you can truely say he got overpaid as an FA.  You have to look at a bunch of other WR's who are getting FA contracts, see what they got and ask yourself if they are better or worse the Mike Wallace and by how much.

 

And my guess is that you can find guys who are better then Mike Wallace that got way less money.  

 

The Dolphins where clearly desperate for Mike Wallace and Wallace's agent took them for every penny.  

 

To be fair his 17 million cap hit this year is the highest on the contract, the actual APY is 12 million.  

 

That having been said, Wallace got more money APY then Brandon Marshall, with more of the contract guaranteed too.

 

This is something I'm worried about with TY Hilton.  Percy Harvin got a similar contract in terms of APY.  

 

So this says to me that team's overpay for speedy wide receivers.  Plus Hilton and Alshon Jeffery are gonna be the top 2 wide receivers on the market before the 2016 season.   If the market is ripe for them and Hilton's agent reads that market correctly there is a pretty good chance that Hilton's agent could be pounding the table demanding 12 million a year for Hilton. 

 

Obviously we are a little ways away from that but it would not surprise me if we let Hilton walk when his contract runs out.  

[SteelCityColt]

Quote edited for brevity

 

Obviously we are a little ways away from that but it would not surprise me if we let Hilton walk when his contract runs out.  

 

Good post and can't blame Wallace for milking every penny he could get. I think you're right about Hilton but you'd hope by then we'd have acquired and started to groom a replacement for Reggie which might give us a little negotiating leverage. 

[BrentMc11]

Wouldn't do any good

I'm just not a morning person at all

Just don't get snarky like yesterday....my avatar is hungry.    Thanks for the thread TK!!

[COLTS449]

My predictions are.........We sign... Arthur Jones, Joe Hawley, Chris Clemons, Anthony Spencer (Prove it deal) Maybe one or two more depth guys.

[pgt_rob]

Welcome back Vinny!

[That Guy]

Anyone got $$$ numbers for the Vinny deal?

[BProland85]

I think we sign Decker to start Free Agency. We just seem interested in him and I bet Grigson feels that we have to sign him right away or we won't get him. We als have had little or no interest in guys like James Jones, Hakeem Nicks and Jarius Byrd that for different reasons could be picked up instead of Decker. I'm worried about CB the most with Davis most likely gone, but I think we go CB in the draft.

See I'd much rather go the opposite direction for Indy. Sign Davis or another good CB in free agency, then go WR in round 2 or 3 since the WR class is much better than the CB class.

[BrentMc11]

It'ssssssssssssss GOOD!

 

[Valpo2004]

Yeah but yet people still bash Grigson for any reason they can find

 

Well I'm waiting to see how this season turns out.  

 

The 2012 draft class was epic for us.  If Grigson drafted every year like he drafted in 2012 we'd be a Dynasty in a few years.

 

The 2013 free agents where mixed reviews and most of them where bad.  The only good one was Cherilus and we paid through the nose to get him.  (We made him the highest paid RT in the league.)  Thomas might be good too if he comes back well from injury.  But most didn't look that great.

 

The 2013 draft class has so far been entirely unimpressive.  And the trades made in 2013 where for the most part not that great.  The Richardson trade highlights this but also trading away AQ Shipley did not seem like a good idea considering our need at center and Satele's suckatude.

 

So this season will be big for me in how I see Grig's long term.  Does anyone from the 2013 draft class step up and become at least a solid starter?  Does Richardson break out and at least do some damage control?  On top of that do any of the 2013 FA's start doing better?

 

And then there will be the question of the 2014 FA's and draft class.  

 

So I think this year will tell us a lot as to if this is going to be a good TEAM or if this is gonna be Andrew Luck carrying us to 10 or 11 wins every year.  

[TKnight24]

Anyone got $$$ numbers for the Vinny deal?

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When they get it, we'll post it here

[Drewbacca]

I know this isn't the right thread, but there are so many that I am too lazy to search. But, Ravens are going after what many hope would be our next starting center, Alex Mack.