Josh Gordon

[IndyTrav]

I just want to give a nice shout out to Josh Gordon, who could arguably be the 3rd or even 2nd best WR in the NFL. This guy is incredible. ANOTHER 200+yard game.....It doesn't matter that this team doesn't have a RB, or that he catches the ball from QB rejects. This guy goes out and DOMINATES when everyone in the league knows he is the only one on the field to worry about.....as far as im concerned this guy can smoke as much weed as he wants....

 

Thru 10 games: 64rec-1249yards-7TDs.....This is with Brandon Weeden, Jason Cambell, and Bryan Hoyer throwing him the ball......incredible....

 

His pro-rated season looks like: 102rec/2000yds/11+Tds.....with those garbage QBs.... 

[PrincetonTiger]

He has 2 very nice games

[IndyTrav]

He has 2 very nice games

 

Just 2???

 

2 separate, over 200yard games

4 separate games over 120yards

1 80+yard game...

 

In only 10 games. 

 

 

The guy is just unreal

[House]

I've seen better.

[MaoBerry]

Could we switch T-RICH for him, or is it too late?

[Nobody]

Gould have traded a first for him instead of TR

[MaoBerry]

Gould have traded a first for him instead of TR

 

 

If we would've known about wayne, we might have packaged a deal for both of them.

[cm43sports]

Earlier in the year I said he was going to break out big time and be a star. We should've sent our second round pick for him and we might have still had a puncher's chance at the Superbowl but instead now we sit and wait to try to get a steal in free agency or the draft (unlikely), Da'Rick Rogers turns into a star (slightly more unlikely) or DHB learns to catch the ball with his hands (would be the biggest miracle since the 1980 US hockey team).

[Guest TeamLoloJones]

I've seen better.

There's an argument to be made that other than Calvin, he's the best WR in the game right now.

[supremecoltsfan300]

He is incredible.  He is having a monster season especially considering he didn't play all the games (his fault albeit).  Really will be interesting to see what happens with him.  Personally I think the browns would be really dumb to not keep him.  Yeah he has the drug issue, but use your resources and get him the help that is required. With a real QB and a solid RB, the Browns could easily compete for the wildcard spots in the future.

[smittywerb]

Gould have traded a first for him instead of TR

 

That was the original plan but I think Cleveland wanted our 1st and 3rd for Gordon.  We settled for T-Rich.  Patience, it will be worth it once we build our line.  RBs aren't plug-and-plays like other positions.  Well, unless you have B-Sanders or AP.

[BOTT]

That was the original plan but I think Cleveland wanted our 1st and 3rd for Gordon.  We settled for T-Rich.  Patience, it will be worth it once we build our line.  RBs aren't plug-and-plays like other positions.  Well, unless you have B-Sanders or AP.

Plug in and play is exactly what running backs are. It is generally considered the easiest position transition from college to the pros. Hell, Edge missed practically all of training camp and came in and ran for over 100 his first pro game.

And I don't think their is any proof of the Colts trying to trade for Gordon.

[BOTT]

Gould have traded a first for him instead of TR

Barf

[smittywerb]

Plug in and play is exactly what running backs are. It is generally considered the easiest position transition from college to the pros. Hell, Edge missed practically all of training camp and came in and ran for over 100 his first pro game.

And I don't think their is any proof of the Colts trying to trade for Gordon.

 

How many RB's you know have came to a team with crap lines and have carried their teams to the playoffs?  The list is very short.  Now place a RB behind a good line and you can guarantee he'll produce.  

 

And Edge isn't a good example.  He was playing next to maybe the best QB of all time.  No one was probably expecting the Colts to run much lol.  Especially with Marvin and Reggie on the outside.

 

I guess T-Rich has to go through his hate like DB and Addai did.

 

As far as Gordon, no proof, just rumors.

[BOTT]

How many RB's you know have came to a team with crap lines and have carried their teams to the playoffs?  The list is very short.  Now place a RB behind a good line and you can guarantee he'll produce.  

 

And Edge isn't a good example.  He was playing next to maybe the best QB of all time.  No one was probably expecting the Colts to run much lol.  Especially with Marvin and Reggie on the outside.

 

I guess T-Rich has to go through his hate like DB and Addai did.

 

As far as Gordon, no proof, just rumors.

Never said a RB can come to a team and carry them to the playoffs. Just that they are a plug in and play position.

Manning wasnt Manning in his second year. And when a team picks a RB that high, yes, teams expect you to run. Edge ran for 1500 his first year...I'm sure teams picked up on it.

[smittywerb]

Never said a RB can come to a team and carry them to the playoffs. Just that they are a plug in and play position.

Manning wasnt Manning in his second year. And when a team picks a RB that high, yes, teams expect you to run. Edge ran for 1500 his first year...I'm sure teams picked up on it.

 

He still threw for 4100 yds and 26 TDs.  

 

It's a known fact that RB's benefited from playing with Colts.  Behind that line, playing with Peyton, and great WR's, not to add the numerous nickel packages a RB would face.  Heck, even Addai cracked 1000yds his first 2 seasons and he isn't half the RB Edge was/is.

 

And that's what I take plug and play as.  A player or position where the person can just come in (in any situation) and put up good stats.

[BOTT]

He still threw for 4100 yds and 26 TDs.  

 

And that's what I take plug and play as.  A player or position where the person can just come in (in any situation) and put up good stats.

Yes, they should be able to put up stats....in reasonable circumstances. Hell, Joe Addai looked good his rookie year splitting reps with with Rhodes. But caring a team to the playoffs is quite a different story. Like I said, RB is a plug in and play position if there ever was one.

[smittywerb]

Yes, they should be able to put up stats....in reasonable circumstances. Hell, Joe Addai looked good his rookie year splitting reps with with Rhodes. But caring a team to the playoffs is quite a different story. Like I said, RB is a plug in and play position if there ever was one.

 

We basically agree, we just have our own little tweaks regarding the definition of "plug and play".  Here's mine:

 

In the NFL, there are positions where if a player is skilled, no matter the situation, he can come in and provide an immediate impact to the team.  There are not many of these positions and can be counted on one hand; QB, CB, WR, LT, MLB.  The important part of my interpretation is that the player has to have some skill.  I'm not saying a bum can come in and put up stats.

 

Now, any other positions than the ones I named I believe are not plug and play, meaning, it does not matter how skilled the player is, if the situation around him isn't good or doesn't fit him, he will suffer.  Unless you are once in a lifetime player, you will not survive at this position without some help.  Most RB's will not be able to run behind a crap line, even if he's considered good (ex. CJ2k, Ray Rice, etc.).  If the OLB's are playing on a team where the DL is not containing blocks, they will not be able to crash and stop ball carriers from reaching the next level.  However, a good QB can drastically change the outlook of a team.  We've seen it with our own QB.  Even with RG3.  And tbh, it shows up in the college game.  Most college QBs are now being groomed to become day one starters.  The project QB no longer exists.  A WR can come in and put up outstanding numbers.  How many times have we've seen good WR's bail out crap QBs or throws?  AJ Green?  Josh Gordon?  TO?  Calvin Johnson?

 

Now, ask yourself, how many times have we seen good RBs bail out crap lines?  Not often.  Certain positions feed off of other positions in order to flourish, unless you have a very talented player in that spot.  Most OLBs need a good line to run free, most pass rushers need good corners to hold recievers so they can get sacks.

[SkyBane]

We basically agree, we just have our own little tweaks regarding the definition of "plug and play". Here's mine:

In the NFL, there are positions where if a player is skilled, no matter the situation, he can come in and provide an immediate impact to the team. There are not many of these positions and can be counted on one hand; QB, CB, WR, LT, MLB. The important part of my interpretation is that the player has to have some skill. I'm not saying a bum can come in and put up stats.

Now, any other positions than the ones I named I believe are not plug and play, meaning, it does not matter how skilled the player is, if the situation around him isn't good or doesn't fit him, he will suffer. Unless you are once in a lifetime player, you will not survive at this position without some help. Most RB's will not be able to run behind a crap line, even if he's considered good (ex. CJ2k, Ray Rice, etc.). If the OLB's are playing on a team where the DL is not containing blocks, they will not be able to crash and stop ball carriers from reaching the next level. However, a good QB can drastically change the outlook of a team. We've seen it with our own QB. Even with RG3. And tbh, it shows up in the college game. Most college QBs are now being groomed to become day one starters. The project QB no longer exists. A WR can come in and put up outstanding numbers. How many times have we've seen good WR's bail out crap QBs or throws? AJ Green? Josh Gordon? TO? Calvin Johnson?

Now, ask yourself, how many times have we seen good RBs bail out crap lines? Not often. Certain positions feed off of other positions in order to flourish, unless you have a very talented player in that spot. Most OLBs need a good line to run free, most pass rushers need good corners to hold recievers so they can get sacks.

You misunderstand the term plug and play. Plug and play means talent doesnt matter much to a degree, and anyone with marginal talent can do the same job as the position is more about schemes and blocking than actual individual skill. Running Back is the definitive plug and play position in the modern NFL. Just take a mid round guy and run with him, as all you really need the run for is to open up the passing game. Outside of a few exceptional talents, having a specific back is not important, hence plug and play.

[Bluefire4]

Didn't Grigson want him?

[House]

There's an argument to be made that other than Calvin, he's the best WR in the game right now.

Sarcasm lol.

[MaoBerry]

We basically agree, we just have our own little tweaks regarding the definition of "plug and play".  Here's mine:

 

In the NFL, there are positions where if a player is skilled, no matter the situation, he can come in and provide an immediate impact to the team.  There are not many of these positions and can be counted on one hand; QB, CB, WR, LT, MLB.  The important part of my interpretation is that the player has to have some skill.  I'm not saying a bum can come in and put up stats.

 

Now, any other positions than the ones I named I believe are not plug and play, meaning, it does not matter how skilled the player is, if the situation around him isn't good or doesn't fit him, he will suffer.  Unless you are once in a lifetime player, you will not survive at this position without some help.  Most RB's will not be able to run behind a crap line, even if he's considered good (ex. CJ2k, Ray Rice, etc.).  If the OLB's are playing on a team where the DL is not containing blocks, they will not be able to crash and stop ball carriers from reaching the next level.  However, a good QB can drastically change the outlook of a team.  We've seen it with our own QB.  Even with RG3.  And tbh, it shows up in the college game.  Most college QBs are now being groomed to become day one starters.  The project QB no longer exists.  A WR can come in and put up outstanding numbers.  How many times have we've seen good WR's bail out crap QBs or throws?  AJ Green?  Josh Gordon?  TO?  Calvin Johnson?

 

Now, ask yourself, how many times have we seen good RBs bail out crap lines?  Not often.  Certain positions feed off of other positions in order to flourish, unless you have a very talented player in that spot.  Most OLBs need a good line to run free, most pass rushers need good corners to hold recievers so they can get sacks.

 

Personally, if i had to do it again, i would've taken josh gordon, instead of T-RICH. But i can understand the situation at the time with ballard and bradshaw getting injured. It seemed pratical and we had no idea that wayne would fall. That's why i'm high on rogers, because he is a plug and play guy. Rogers was a 5 star recruit while gordon was a 3 star. If we can manage to motivate rogers to even play 75 percent, he'll be better than josh. I'm convinced of that. And this is coming from a guy that really likes josh gordon also.

[IndyTrav]

Personally, if i had to do it again, i would've taken josh gordon, instead of T-RICH. But i can understand the situation at the time with ballard and bradshaw getting injured. It seemed pratical and we had no idea that wayne would fall. That's why i'm high on rogers, because he is a plug and play guy. Rogers was a 5 star recruit while gordon was a 3 star. If we can manage to motivate rogers to even play 75 percent, he'll be better than josh. I'm convinced of that. And this is coming from a guy that really likes josh gordon also.

 

Whoa Whoa Whoa...

 

This Rogers love is getting a little out of hand on this forum. Your claiming you think Rogers at 75% is going to be better than the guy who is the FIRST EVER player to have back to back 200yd games. A guy who had a pretty phenomenal rookie year, and is now having a historic 2nd year, while having Jason Cambell/Brandon Weeden/Brian Hoyer throwing him the ball, and no other offensive weapons around him, in what is generally regarded at the most defensive hardest hitting division in football......Where as Rogers is on a team in desperate need of a WR, and he hasnt seen the field in 11 weeks, and he at 75% is going to be better than Gordon? 

[smittywerb]

Personally, if i had to do it again, i would've taken josh gordon, instead of T-RICH. But i can understand the situation at the time with ballard and bradshaw getting injured. It seemed pratical and we had no idea that wayne would fall. That's why i'm high on rogers, because he is a plug and play guy. Rogers was a 5 star recruit while gordon was a 3 star. If we can manage to motivate rogers to even play 75 percent, he'll be better than josh. I'm convinced of that. And this is coming from a guy that really likes josh gordon also.

 

Yeah, if Rogers blossoms into what we think he should be, then it'll make trading for T-Rich feel better. lol  Right now, I feel like we could have used our 1st rounder better.

[MaoBerry]

Whoa Whoa Whoa...

 

This Rogers love is getting a little out of hand on this forum. Your claiming you think Rogers at 75% is going to be better than the guy who is the FIRST EVER player to have back to back 200yd games. A guy who had a pretty phenomenal rookie year, and is now having a historic 2nd year, while having Jason Cambell/Brandon Weeden/Brian Hoyer throwing him the ball, and no other offensive weapons around him, in what is generally regarded at the most defensive hardest hitting division in football......Where as Rogers is on a team in desperate need of a WR, and he hasnt seen the field in 11 weeks, and he at 75% is going to be better than Gordon? 

 

 

 

You're right about gordon being a known commodity and rogers being a huge unknown, but the talent is most certainly there. Yes, i believe rogers will catch fire and give us a punchers chance in the playoffs. He look nasty and motivated.

 

BTW: I also really like josh.

[runthepost]

You're right about gordon being a known commodity and rogers being a huge unknown, but the talent is most certainly there.

Yes, i believe rogers will catch fire and give us a punchers chance in the playoffs. He look nasty and motivated.

BTW: I also really like josh.

Rogers is overrated sorry....

[TheBlueAndWhite]

I really don't like the way cleveland did buisness... we say we need a RB. And they come crawling too us to pawn off TR First red flag right there mister grigson. If he was really worth a 1ST then why are they trying to get rid of him?. Bottom line is we got hosed with this trade. I would've traded that first for a o-lineman or a WR like gordon or even a proven pass rusher but. Its done now and we can't do much about it...

[MaoBerry]

Rogers is overrated sorry....

 

 

Maybe...maybe not, we'll most certainly see. He'll get his shot and in the words of T.O.>>> "Getcha' popcorn ready". I've followed rogers for awhile now and he's different...more mature and focused. He was never a bad guy...just a punk (heck, i'm a punk too).

[Mameluc]

that dude is a beast. 

 

he is also making me rich on fantasy leagues

[BOTT]

We basically agree, we just have our own little tweaks regarding the definition of "plug and play".  Here's mine:

 

In the NFL, there are positions where if a player is skilled, no matter the situation, he can come in and provide an immediate impact to the team.  There are not many of these positions and can be counted on one hand; QB, CB, WR, LT, MLB.  The important part of my interpretation is that the player has to have some skill.  I'm not saying a bum can come in and put up stats.

 

Now, any other positions than the ones I named I believe are not plug and play, meaning, it does not matter how skilled the player is, if the situation around him isn't good or doesn't fit him, he will suffer.  Unless you are once in a lifetime player, you will not survive at this position without some help.  Most RB's will not be able to run behind a crap line, even if he's considered good (ex. CJ2k, Ray Rice, etc.).  If the OLB's are playing on a team where the DL is not containing blocks, they will not be able to crash and stop ball carriers from reaching the next level.  However, a good QB can drastically change the outlook of a team.  We've seen it with our own QB.  Even with RG3.  And tbh, it shows up in the college game.  Most college QBs are now being groomed to become day one starters.  The project QB no longer exists.  A WR can come in and put up outstanding numbers.  How many times have we've seen good WR's bail out crap QBs or throws?  AJ Green?  Josh Gordon?  TO?  Calvin Johnson?

 

Now, ask yourself, how many times have we seen good RBs bail out crap lines?  Not often.  Certain positions feed off of other positions in order to flourish, unless you have a very talented player in that spot.  Most OLBs need a good line to run free, most pass rushers need good corners to hold recievers so they can get sacks.

No offense, but you're making up your own definition. Any GM will tell you that RB is as close to plug in and play as you can get.

[Fx Stryker]

How many RB's you know have came to a team with crap lines and have carried their teams to the playoffs? The list is very short. Now place a RB behind a good line and you can guarantee he'll produce.

And Edge isn't a good example. He was playing next to maybe the best QB of all time. No one was probably expecting the Colts to run much lol. Especially with Marvin and Reggie on the outside.

I guess T-Rich has to go through his hate like DB and Addai did.

As far as Gordon, no proof, just rumors.

I'm just curious if you know anything about the '99 team because it seems you don't.

[buffalo34]

Now, you know with the Patriots on deck, this guy will get exposed pretty badly....you know he'll be lucky to crack 50 receiving yards.

[Guest TeamLoloJones]

Now, you know with the Patriots on deck, this guy will get exposed pretty badly....you know he'll be lucky to crack 50 receiving yards.

He won't be exposed.  The Pats have a long history of shutting down the opponent's best player.  Was Jimmy Graham exposed?

[Nostrils]

He has 2 very nice games

Lol *

[Nostrils]

He still threw for 4100 yds and 26 TDs.

It's a known fact that RB's benefited from playing with Colts. Behind that line, playing with Peyton, and great WR's, not to add the numerous nickel packages a RB would face. Heck, even Addai cracked 1000yds his first 2 seasons and he isn't half the RB Edge was/is.

And that's what I take plug and play as. A player or position where the person can just come in (in any situation) and put up good stats.

Lol so edge was a product of the system...?

I'm trying to be nice but you sound stupid ...

[Synthetic]

The new Herman Moore.

 

 

Moore put up decent numbers too with all those busts in Detroit throwing the ball to him back in the Barry Sanders days.

[smittywerb]

I'm just curious if you know anything about the '99 team because it seems you don't.

 

The year we went 13-3 and PM threw for 4100?  I mean, I was 7 that year but I've done my research.

[Fx Stryker]

The year we went 13-3 and PM threw for 4100?  I mean, I was 7 that year but I've done my research.

 

"He was playing next to maybe the best QB of all time. No one was probably expecting the Colts to run much lol. Especially with Marvin and Reggie on the outside."

 

It doesn't seem you've done much because nothing in this statement is true at all. For staters Reggie was a Junior in college.

[coltsfanatic24]

Great talent and top 5 WR but still one positive drug test away from being suspended for an entire season. Too big of a risk to us and even  wr needy teams like the 49ers, Chiefs, and Pats to give up a 2nd round pick.

[smittywerb]

No offense, but you're making up your own definition. Any GM will tell you that RB is as close to plug in and play as you can get.

 

meh, I guess I am making up my own interpretation off what I see.