Von Miller facing 4 game suspension.

[crazycolt1]

Broncos' Von Miller to play with first team while suspension appealed

 

Basically Fox will practice as if there is no suspension going to happen and not try alternate scenarios if Miller isn't available for seasons start

 

Fox said that he has not discussed what the team would do if Miller were unavailable for the first four games 

 

( thats what u call not preparing for a possible scenario )

 

Read more: Broncos' Von Miller to play with first team while suspension appealed - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_23723028/broncos-von-miller-play-first-team-while-suspension#ixzz2a34laA00 

 

Maybe thats his public statement to support a player  and not his actual intent  ??  

 

What Fox, Elway or Manning says in public is the standard comments made when a player is in trouble. What is believed and said behind the scenes is different. We both know how this works. If Fox, Elway or Manning came out and admitted anything else there would be an uproar. What else are they gonna say?  The media would be on that and milk it for every possible drop they could get out of it. It's pretty much standard for all the teams to play damage control. Could you imagine the backlash if they would come out and say what most people are thinking and or saying? 

[bayone]

What Fox, Elway or Manning says in public is the standard comments made when a player is in trouble. What is believed and said behind the scenes is different. We both know how this works. If Fox, Elway or Manning came out and admitted anything else there would be an uproar. What else are they gonna say?  The media would be on that and milk it for every possible drop they could get out of it. It's pretty much standard for all the teams to play damage control. Could you imagine the backlash if they would come out and say what most people are thinking and or saying? 

 

thats why in comment at end i noted  Maybe thats his public statement to support a player  and not his actual intent  ??  

 

& before your responce , # 153 I noted

 

Mandy Hacker of Aurora, ( TO ME AS ISN'T A TEAMMATE IS MORE REALISTIC ) who attended the camp with her family, still wore Miller's jersey, although she was disappointed in the news.

 

"It was disappointing because he's a role model for kids," Hacker said. " Learn and move on from it, not do it again, ever, or I will get a new jersey."

 

Read more: Broncos' Peyton Manning supports Von Miller despite pending suspension - The Denver Post http://www.denverpos...e#ixzz2a5EdxQ00 

[crazycolt1]

Lollygagger8 believes Von Miller must've been high when he said that. 

I got a pretty good chuckle out of that comment. :highfive:

[crazycolt1]

Could not agree more, but expressing opinions has to be a two-way street for any worthwhile discussion, doesn't it? If we don't approach subjective matters with an open mind then it's not a discussion.

 

I don't know about the myth of a "sophomore slump," but let me clarify that I do not expect Luck to regress at all. I just said it could happen.

 

And I obviously am not going to agree with you about Qwiz, but that's irrelevant.

Could it be the reason you like Qwiz so much is you are both non Colt fans that have unknown reasons to spend your time in a Colts message board? 

[crazycolt1]

thats why in comment at end i noted  Maybe thats his public statement to support a player  and not his actual intent  ??  

 

& before your responce , # 153 I noted

 

Mandy Hacker of Aurora, ( TO ME AS ISN'T A TEAMMATE IS MORE REALISTIC ) who attended the camp with her family, still wore Miller's jersey, although she was disappointed in the news.

 

"It was disappointing because he's a role model for kids," Hacker said. " Learn and move on from it, not do it again, ever, or I will get a new jersey."

 

Read more: Broncos' Peyton Manning supports Von Miller despite pending suspension - The Denver Post http://www.denverpos...e#ixzz2a5EdxQ00 

I got your intent with your original comment I was just adding my 2 cents in! 

[Qwiz]

Could it be the reason you like Qwiz so much is you are both non Colt fans that have unknown reasons to spend your time in a Colts message board? 

It's called the internet. We can spend time wherever we want, and don't have to justify it to anyone. GoPats is a good poster and I'm sure no one here could care less who he roots for as his opinion is valued by many here.

[Yehoodi]

Could it be the reason you like Qwiz so much is you are both non Colt fans that have unknown reasons to spend your time in a Colts message board? 

 

well it is actually an NFL General section, emphasis on the word general . . . many non colts fans come this board to give their two cents on things . . . and it makes for more fun if others are on the board as opposed to all colts fans . . . also it gives many of us, including myself, an opportunity to exchange ideas and thoughts with fans who are not fans of our respective teams, something we can do readily at home . . .

[southwest1]

 I must admit, i'm quite shocked by von doing this. He didn't strike me as this type of guy. I mean his hobby is raising chickens.

What's wrong with chickens? My dad raises them to this day & besides Foghorn Leghorn Rules! 

 

[crazycolt1]

well it is actually an NFL General section, emphasis on the word general . . . many non colts fans come this board to give their two cents on things . . . and it makes for more fun if others are on the board as opposed to all colts fans . . . also it gives many of us, including myself, an opportunity to exchange ideas and thoughts with fans who are not fans of our respective teams, something we can do readily at home . . .

I have no problem with that at all. But there are a few who who don't keep it at that. There is a big difference in bringing an opinion and then debating it rather than walking a fine line of trolling. 

[GoPats]

Could it be the reason you like Qwiz so much is you are both non Colt fans that have unknown reasons to spend your time in a Colts message board? 

 

Maybe I'm subconsciously, favorably biased toward him because, like myself, he is an "outsider" from another fan base. But that's over-simplifying it and it doesn't give me enough credit. I read what people post, I notice consistencies, and I form my own opinions.

 

And in my opinion, he is a good guy who is able to take a joke, make a joke, and have good conversations about football. That's what carries weight with me... not the color of your jersey on Sundays.

 

 

I have no problem with that at all. But there are a few who who don't keep it at that. There is a big difference in bringing an opinion and then debating it rather than walking a fine line of trolling. 

 

It's not trolling just because you disagree with it.

[MAC]

Von Miller needs to admit he smoked weed...(he also alledgedly tested poistive in 2011) .say he's sorry....accept the suspension and move on.....

 

 

.....people basically like him ...they'll still like him if he 'used to' smoke weed..

 

.......................but nobody likes a liar...

Right, unless he didn't. Instead of assuming he is lying, it's probably better to assume that he's telling the truth until the details come out.

 

The Denver Post offered the logical conjecture that he has probably been in a testing program since 2011, and the current problem might not be that he failed a test, but that he missed a required step in the process - like not taking a test. Perhaps the "problem" is that he went out of town and thought he had permission to skip a test, but someone wracked him up on a technicality.

 

That would jive with both his statement that he "did nothing wrong" (he would appeal to prove that he thought he was in compliance), his statement that he is a different person now than he was three years ago (in contrast to your comments, he hasn't denied ever using it, he admits it and says that he's grown up), and his statement that marijuana is "not a part of his life".

 

Nobody likes a liar (Ryan Braun is a particular irritant at the moment), but Miller has shown himself to be a good guy whose certainly smart enough to know that a flat out denial in the face of a failed drug test is a waste of everyone's time and inevitably ends badly - so why would he bother doing so?

 

Crossing my fingers.

[House]

Nah he did it lol. Slap on the wrist and be smarter next time.

[bayone]

Right, unless he didn't. Instead of assuming he is lying, it's probably better to assume that he's telling the truth until the details come out.

 

The Denver Post offered the logical conjecture that he has probably been in a testing program since 2011, and the current problem might not be that he failed a test, but that he missed a required step in the process - like not taking a test. Perhaps the "problem" is that he went out of town and thought he had permission to skip a test, but someone wracked him up on a technicality.

 

That would jive with both his statement that he "did nothing wrong" (he would appeal to prove that he thought he was in compliance), his statement that he is a different person now than he was three years ago (in contrast to your comments, he hasn't denied ever using it, he admits it and says that he's grown up), and his statement that marijuana is "not a part of his life".

 

Nobody likes a liar (Ryan Braun is a particular irritant at the moment), but Miller has shown himself to be a good guy whose certainly smart enough to know that a flat out denial in the face of a failed drug test is a waste of everyone's time and inevitably ends badly - so why would he bother doing so?

 

Crossing my fingers.

 

 

that appears right as per PETER KING

 

http://forums.colts.com/index.php?/topic/19209-peter-king-unlikely-appeal-will-be-one-but-are-extenuating-circumstances-in-the-von-miller-case/#entry523185

[southwest1]

well it is actually an NFL General section, emphasis on the word general . . . many non colts fans come this board to give their two cents on things . . . and it makes for more fun if others are on the board as opposed to all colts fans . . . also it gives many of us, including myself, an opportunity to exchange ideas and thoughts with fans who are not fans of our respective teams, something we can do readily at home . . .

I like your insights Yehoodi & I really respect your NE organization too. Besides, SW1 values people who have a different #1 NFL squad because your viewpoint about my squad, the Colts, carries more weight & credibility due to a fresh, new perspective. QuizBoy will back me up on this one. Yes, JJ Watt graduated from UW-Madison my Alma Mater, but even if he hadn't, I'd still respect the Texans anyway a world class franchise. Besides, my brother QuizBoy detests the Dallas Cowboys with the same pass passion as I do. Yup, QuizBoy is 1 smart individual. 

 

So are you Yehoodi. Keep sharing your wisdom sir. I will always read your stuff. You are a smart cat yourself Yehoodi. Since you routinely visit Colts Forum, I should visit your Patriots site more often. Fair is fair. Just my 2 cents. 

[Dustin]

Von Miller needs to admit he smoked weed...(he also alledgedly tested poistive in 2011) .say he's sorry....accept the suspension and move on.....

.....people basically like him ...they'll still like him if he 'used to' smoke weed..

.......................but nobody likes a liar...

We should be a little hesitant to call people liars.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/07/26/report-von-miller-suspension-not-for-a-positive-drug-test/

[Yehoodi]

I have no problem with that at all. But there are a few who who don't keep it at that. There is a big difference in bringing an opinion and then debating it rather than walking a fine line of trolling. 

agreed . . . there is a fine line and sometimes is tough to know which side a person is on a given post . . .

[amfootball]

agreed . . . there is a fine line and sometimes is tough to know which side a person is on a given post . . .

I find emoticons help in this regard. If I post this  then I am joking. If I post this :brady:  then I am trolling. And this  just means I am happy.

 

In all seriousness, I love you guys. What fun would a post board be without differing opinions? A board full of just Colts fans would be boring.

[bayone]

I find emoticons help in this regard. If I post this  then I am joking. If I post this :brady:  then I am trolling. And this  just means I am happy.

 

In all seriousness, I love you guys. What fun would a post board be without differing opinions? A board full of just Colts fans would be boring.

 

Great now I have to remember what everybody's emoticons are ( LOL )

 

Have a great day & weekend , best friends daughter getting married, then brunch next day (which coincides with my birthady # 60 )  so in a rare moment I will have some good times with friends and fellow concerts goers haven't seen in ages

 

Monday back to neurosurgeon with MOM so  I will be outtta this boards awhile

[bayone]

PS u have  :brady: in your sig which then says u are always trolling by your definition ( LOL ) had to get that one in , now I am off

 

May u always remain   & be of good humor  with many   at hand no matter what life throws at u 

 

Barry

 

 

I find emoticons help in this regard. If I post this  then I am joking. If I post this :brady:  then I am trolling. And this  just means I am happy.

 

In all seriousness, I love you guys. What fun would a post board be without differing opinions? A board full of just Colts fans would be boring.

[dgambill]

well it is actually an NFL General section, emphasis on the word general . . . many non colts fans come this board to give their two cents on things . . . and it makes for more fun if others are on the board as opposed to all colts fans . . . also it gives many of us, including myself, an opportunity to exchange ideas and thoughts with fans who are not fans of our respective teams, something we can do readily at home . . .

I agree..I'm glad to have outside opinions...some even in our Colts section. All too often we get "OUR GM IS A GENIUS" or "Andrew Luck will be the greatest qb of all time" and you can't have a proper conversation without being attacked if you criticize or even make a non-cheerleading comment about a player or the team. I love outside opinions as they are "usually" non-biased and very objective. I can think of many like qwizboy and RGIII and yourself that do a good job of making valid points and giving supportive information backing up your opinions....but there are some...and they are SOOO easy to spot given their posting history that come just to contridict anything and everything and cheerlead their favorite player....cough cough Tom Brady lol!!! We know who one is and yes that gets old....I fully respect Tom's and the Patriot's greatness (jealous and even despise it lol) because I want my team to be the best but I don't need someone to constantly try to shove it down my throat on my own team's message board....or hear someone argue for 20 pages the same thing over and over. Some people are so obviously biased and fanboys of certain teams and players that they simply can't be objective or at the very least say...you make a good point....i may disagree but i see where you are coming from or respect that opinion....those few people...well...yes...they are trolls because THEY TOO  bring nothing to the conversation but the same arguement veiwpoint in thread after thread....

 

Thank you for not being one of those and adding something to our board!!

[amfootball]

I agree..I'm glad to have outside opinions...some even in our Colts section. All too often we get "OUR GM IS A GENIUS" or "Andrew Luck will be the greatest qb of all time" and you can't have a proper conversation without being attacked if you criticize or even make a non-cheerleading comment about a player or the team. I love outside opinions as they are "usually" non-biased and very objective. I can think of many like qwizboy and RGIII and yourself that do a good job of making valid points and giving supportive information backing up your opinions....but there are some...and they are SOOO easy to spot given their posting history that come just to contridict anything and everything and cheerlead their favorite player....cough cough Tom Brady lol!!! We know who one is and yes that gets old....I fully respect Tom's and the Patriot's greatness (jealous and even despise it lol) because I want my team to be the best but I don't need someone to constantly try to shove it down my throat on my own team's message board....or hear someone argue for 20 pages the same thing over and over. Some people are so obviously biased and fanboys of certain teams and players that they simply can't be objective or at the very least say...you make a good point....i may disagree but i see where you are coming from or respect that opinion....those few people...well...yes...they are trolls because THEY TOO  bring nothing to the conversation but the same arguement veiwpoint in thread after thread....

 

Thank you for not being one of those and adding something to our board!!

You obviously have not read my posting history if you think I just post about Brady and the Pats. I do respond to topics related to them as that is my team and my QB but I have plenty of posts not related to either. Of course many here do try to instigate debates that go nowhere but such is life. in the end it is a post board, a fun escape, no reason to let it bother you so much.

[dgambill]

You obviously have not read my posting history if you think I just post about Brady and the Pats. I do respond to topics related to them as that is my team and my QB but I have plenty of posts not related to either. Of course many here do try to instigate debates that go nowhere but such is life. in the end it is a post board, a fun escape, no reason to let it bother you so much.

Don't be so defensive...I never mentioned you....funny how quickly you rush to defend yourself....as if you might possibly be cast into this category...TRUST ME...no one on here would EVER would mistaken you for those that I imply love to bring up their team and favorite player and can't let a single point go by without refuting it and accept that someone else may have a good point. YOU GOT NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT.

[amfootball]

Don't be so defensive...I never mentioned you....funny how quickly you rush to defend yourself....as if you might possibly be cast into this category...TRUST ME...no one on here would EVER would mistaken you for those that I imply love to bring up their team and favorite player and can't let a single point go by without refuting it and accept that someone else may have a good point. YOU GOT NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT.

Ok, man. No offense taken. Carry on.

[oldunclemark]

Right, unless he didn't. Instead of assuming he is lying, it's probably better to assume that he's telling the truth until the details come out.

 

The Denver Post offered the logical conjecture that he has probably been in a testing program since 2011, and the current problem might not be that he failed a test, but that he missed a required step in the process - like not taking a test. Perhaps the "problem" is that he went out of town and thought he had permission to skip a test, but someone wracked him up on a technicality.

 

That would jive with both his statement that he "did nothing wrong" (he would appeal to prove that he thought he was in compliance), his statement that he is a different person now than he was three years ago (in contrast to your comments, he hasn't denied ever using it, he admits it and says that he's grown up), and his statement that marijuana is "not a part of his life".

 

Nobody likes a liar (Ryan Braun is a particular irritant at the moment), but Miller has shown himself to be a good guy whose certainly smart enough to know that a flat out denial in the face of a failed drug test is a waste of everyone's time and inevitably ends badly - so why would he bother doing so?

 

Crossing my fingers.

But MAC..while the current problems is that he failed the test..

 

he was caught smoking weed (tested poisitive) in 2011......and he did not admit it then

 

..and has denied it...now...

 

I'm not much for excuses.......and the No.1 characteristic of drug users is that none fo them EVER did it. 

 

You cant tell I want Denver to do well and I like Miller.......

 

...but NFL players just cant risk smoking weed...ever ..and  they still do..

 

    I want to see if his suspension is overturned.....I hope so.....but I dont ever believe 'the test is wrong' 

[Dustin]

But MAC..while the current problems is that he failed the test..

he was caught smoking weed (tested poisitive) in 2011......and he did not admit it then

..and has denied it...now...

I'm not much for excuses.......and the No.1 characteristic of drug users is that none fo them EVER did it.

You cant tell I want Denver to do well and I like Miller.......

...but NFL players just cant risk smoking weed...ever ..and they still do..

I want to see if his suspension is overturned.....I hope so.....but I dont ever believe 'the test is wrong'

He didn't fail a test.

[oldunclemark]

He didn't fail a test.

 

 

'Sources close to Von Miller' said he didnt fail it

 

..after soucres..not close to Von said he did...earlier in ther week

 

I saw whet you saw.

 

Allt I'm saying is: It is everyone's immediate reaction to deny everything. That's what you're told to do...

 

I dont believe it. Especially with repeart offenders..

 

 I hope you're right and I'm wrong but nobody admits smoking weed right away.

[MAC]

But MAC..while the current problems is that he failed the test..

 

he was caught smoking weed (tested poisitive) in 2011......and he did not admit it then

 

..and has denied it...now...

 

I'm not much for excuses.......and the No.1 characteristic of drug users is that none fo them EVER did it. 

 

You cant tell I want Denver to do well and I like Miller.......

 

...but NFL players just cant risk smoking weed...ever ..and  they still do..

 

    I want to see if his suspension is overturned.....I hope so.....but I dont ever believe 'the test is wrong' 

I get the general premise - that people fail tests for a reason, usually deny taking anything, and it rarely ends well. Recreational use in the face of a big salary and a testing program implies a substance abuse problem, and addicts aren't the most trust worthy people in the world. But that's not the point. I replied only to say that it appears at this point that the current problem doesn't involve a failed drug test. If correct, your comments in that earlier post - which were in essence "come on, we all know you're guilty, just admit it" - would be not only irrelevant but unfair.

 

This likely all has to do with 2011 and the league testing protocol. I have no idea whether he admitted using anything in 2011, but he certainly isn't shy about admitting to his 2011 actions now. At the time he was a rookie right out of college. He says that he's a different person now and that marijuana isn't a part of his life. I would think that a smart guy with something to hide would be more likely to say "no comment" - or mumble incoherently like many of the more troubled players in the league - rather than to make an unsolicited blanket proclamation which will only come back to bite him. .

 

Personally I'm not going to assume that he is a drug addled liar, I'm going to wait until we find out what actually happened.

[oldunclemark]

           I know you know that one of the reasons you can be suspended without failing a drug test is that you refuse to take

 

(or  fake) the test.... which you might do to retain 'plausible deniability' .  In other words..,you can still claim you didnt get high if you refuse to take the test or offer Kool-Aid instead of urine for the test..

 

....Setting aside whether a guy can be a 'different person' 3-4 years after he was a substance abuser....

 

you assume in your final words that there is a point where the player will be honest with the public.....

 

That point is unlikely to ever come and the NFL isnt going to detail players drug use publically...

 

I'm going to assume he is what he previously has proven to be. Repeat drug offenders to me are guilty until proven innocent...

 

Its a very tough habit to break.

[MAC]

           I know you know that one of the reasons you can be suspended without failing a drug test is that you refuse to take

 

(or  fake) the test.... which you might do to retain 'plausible deniability' .  In other words..,you can still claim you didnt get high if you refuse to take the test or offer Kool-Aid instead of urine for the test..

 

....Setting aside whether a guy can be a 'different person' 3-4 years after he was a substance abuser....

 

you assume in your final words that there is a point where the player will be honest with the public.....

 

That point is unlikely to ever come and the NFL isnt going to detail players drug use publically...

 

I'm going to assume he is what he previously has proven to be. Repeat drug offenders to me are guilty until proven innocent...

 

Its a very tough habit to break.

I've never even tried any drugs, but I've met lots of normal people who refer casually and nostalgically to the "wild days of their youth". They grew up, it's not that hard. People change.

 

You make it sound like we're talking about a heroin addict, or a guy who is too addle brained to bother leaving his Mom's basement. Does that sound like one of the most dynamic and hard-working young defensive players in the league? We are talking about recreational use of minor drugs - things that have been experimented with by zillions of other college kids without it affecting their future. I doubt that technically either of them is even physically addictive. For crying out loud, marijuana is even LEGAL where Miller lives, and it could hardly be called "performance enhancing" - so there is no ethical issue with the league in that regard. Frankly I have no idea why they waste the time and money testing for it.

 

It irritates me that the league acts as if this is a moral issue in the guise of promoting a sport that by design does vastly more damage to it's own participants than low-end drugs conceivably could. It's a dog and pony show designed to perpetuate a family friendly image - for a sport that involves players actively trying to hurt each other. He wasn't gambling on football, he wasn't seeking a performance advantage, and until told otherwise we have no reason to believe that he was even using the trivial drugs again. The positive test was TWO YEARS ago. If I was him I'd be frothing at the mouth in frustration that they were continuing to treat me like a criminal. One would think that a handful of therapy sessions and one year of testing would be MORE than sufficient to address the "problem".

 

Both drugs involved should be considered the same way that booze is - WHO CARES unless the user puts someone else at risk. And with that in mind even if Miller if guilty of usage once again, I am VASTLY more concerned and offended by the two middle aged knuckleheads in the front office each of whom was old enough to know better, and SO obliterated when arrested that it is only pure luck that prevented them from killing someone - or themselves. Yet their "suspensions" aren't remotely comparable (nor as remotely damaging to the team) as what is in store for Miller. They should actually be in jail until the message sinks in, and Miller should be preparing for the season without this utter nonsense being held over him.