JoKeR Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 ^ I'd say someone as good and young as Victor Cruz is worth a 1st. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKnight24 Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 It better not be Bess. I'd take Hopkins (Clemson) in the draft over him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoKeR Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 It would be cheaper to draft a WR in the 1st though.(Cruz) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKnight24 Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 Could it be another Stanford Cardinal added to the mix?Doug Baldwinhttp://www.youtube.com=_J6rLwb78ogFYI..... Posting multiple YouTube vids slows down the Forum's loading process making it longer the wait to read what everyone is posting. Just a heads up so we don't mess with people's experience on the forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarassedOffTheSite Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 We thought that about Peyton too? Fine. The Arizona Cardinals are trading Larry Fitzgerald. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coltsman1788 Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 FYI..... Posting multiple YouTube vids slows down the Forum's loading process making it longer the wait to read what everyone is posting. Just a heads up so we don't mess with people's experience on the forum Ok thanks for the heads up. I am done anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColtsDude27 Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 i hope whatever it is that it gets done today... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coltswarriors Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 Pretty sure this thread has broken a forum record... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarassedOffTheSite Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 Brian Casserly? "You have reached your quota of positive votes for the day" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhorse Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 Just because we have approx 5 mil left, doesn't mean we are going to spend it....or should. Haven't we already reached our spending requirement level? I think that is what Irsay meant. Davis being locked up would be very comforting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 i hope whatever it is that it gets done today...You're not kidding! No more repeat of vontae count down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKnight24 Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 Just because we have approx 5 mil left, doesn't mean we are going to spend it....or should. Haven't we already reached our spending requirement level? I think that is what Irsay meant.Davis being locked up would be very comforting.I don't think we can resign Davis now. All we know is that a WR somewhere on this earth is becoming a Colt. Which means the last of our money will probably go to that player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhorse Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 I don't think we can resign Davis now. All we know is that a WR somewhere on this earth is becoming a Colt. Which means the last of our money will probably go to that playerThanks....just woke up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKnight24 Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 Thanks....just woke up!Oh, you missed everything then Basically, Irsay sent us on a Frenzy late last night saying a deal is in progress. Later came back & told us it's a WR. Also stated we're at the cap wall or something like that. So I'm almost certain this WR will be the last thing we do financially until the draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theanarchist Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 It has to be Jeremy Macklin would only cost us a 4th.ugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueCollarColts Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 Jeremy Maclin, or Victor Cruz, I'll give up a 4th or a 1st for both of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 Fine. The Arizona Cardinals are trading Larry Fitzgerald.I doubt it too because their asking price would have to be a couple first rounders or the very least a first and second and then a team would have to pay him that huge salary. That team won't win with him....he isn't a difference maker without someone to get him the ball. Even if he has a better qb they have soo many needs. Its dead cap space to a team that should focus on rebuilding. Adding to that young defense and strengthening the core of the offense. This isn't the NBA. One superstar on your roster won't do you one bit of good. Those fans are going to be pretty disinterested if they go 4-12...with or without Larry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 Oh, you missed everything then Basically, Irsay sent us on a Frenzy late last night saying a deal is in progress. Later came back & told us it's a WR. Also stated we're at the cap wall or something like that. So I'm almost certain this WR will be the last thing we do financially until the draftIf indeed we spend the rest of our money on a wr....we will be desperate for a OG in the draft. OG, S, and LB help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealityIsLuck Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 If indeed we spend the rest of our money on a wr....we will be desperate for a OG in the draft. OG, S, and LB help.S? LaRon and Antonie defanetly do it for mee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKnight24 Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 If indeed we spend the rest of our money on a wr....we will be desperate for a OG in the draft. OG, S, and LB help.OG & LB yeah, but not safety with the Landry signing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOCOLTS_ROLLTIDE Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 S? LaRon and Antonie defanetly do it for mee Reid, Rambo would only help they'll be there in the 3rd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColtsDude27 Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 S? LaRon and Antonie defanetly do it for meeS? LaRon and Antonie defanetly do it for meesame here man, and maybe if larry impresses enough we take him @ 24? and maybe a LB like collins in the third but theres a 80% chance he wont be there,,, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weslo1812 Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 The deal has not been done yet and one may never end up getting done. All we know is Irsay and the staff are trying to get one done. Its all still up in the air. I wouldn't get too excited yet because there's just as good a chance it may not happen. Not saying I don't want it too but I just don't wanna get my hopes up and it be all for not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueShoe Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 We’ve got to love Jim Irsay. He knows how to get the fan base excited. I believe that this is a bigger name, at least in the same ballpark as Vontea, because Jim has went far out of his way to make a big deal about this (more than normal). I would not be surprised if it is Victor Cruz. The Giants might not be capable of matching the contract that we have the ability to offer. Cruz would certainly add a dynamic to our passing game. On many levels Cruz makes sense, because we will be hard-pressed to find a wide receiver at #24 who can be as explosive on day one, as Cruz can be. The five days the Colts have been working on this deal is the most intriguing, because if that were not a factor then someone such as, Brandon Lloyd, would make a lot of sense. There are many variables to this leading me to think it could be any number of receivers; Jeremy Macklin, DeSean Jackson, Victor Cruz, Hakeem Nicks, Steve Johnson, Dwayne Bowe, Brandon Lloyd, Larry Fitzgerald, and so on. Do we want the baggage that DeSean Jackson brings? Or does his relationship with Ryan Grigson and his ability to act as a duo threat in the return game trump the baggage? Victor Cruz is worth the first round pick, and will add explosion to our passing attack. Would the Giants really let him go after losing Manningham last year, especially when it was so obvious how much the Giants underestimated his importance? That said, the Giants might not be capable of stopping it. The Giants might also realize that it will be very difficult to sign Cruz and Nicks next season, as both are in contract years, so the Giants might be shopping either of them to get something in return. Maybe the deal isn’t for a first round pick, but rather a 3rd and a late pick, or a 3rd this year and a pick next year based on performance (round 3-7). Steve Johnson signed a five-year, 36 million dollar deal last year, with $19.2 million guaranteed. This deal pays $24 million over the first three years, excluding one year which is complete. Maybe the Bills want to free up some money to sign pieces that fit a new philosophy. They have already dumped several other players, including their starting quarterback, Fitzpatrick. The Steve Johnson possibility makes sense because it might take five days to figure out how to implement his deal into one that works for the Colts salary cap; not just this year, but also for future cap years. I can see an extension with most of the remaining guaranteed money restructured as a signing bonus, and added a year or so to the deal. Dwayne Bowe was franchised at around 9.5 million. The Victor Cruz and Hakeem Nicks scenario similarly fit in this process. Brandon Lloyd was just released so this is not likely our current target, but could be a backup plan if the current deal fails to come to fruition. As much as I would really like our offense with Larry Fitzgerald, I just do not see him leaving Arizona. He is the ultimate team player, and from his words and his actions, he has made me a believer that he has no intentions of ever playing for another team. He is the ultimate loyalty guy. The one constant in my mind, is how much the Wes Welker deal has played into the Colts front office concerns, and may be forcing our hands to be more aggressive in finding a free agent wide receiver. Clearly Denver is the team everyone is chasing in the AFC right now. Sorry this is so long. I have been collecting my thoughts for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKnight24 Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 Georgia is DEEP at LB & Secondary players in the draft this year. Someone from there will be in the 3rd for us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrincetonTiger Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 Why would we trade for LF he is only a year or two younger than Reggie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKnight24 Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 Why would we trade for LF he is only a year or two younger than ReggieJust so he can retire knowing what it felt like to play with a Good QB for an entire season instead of just in the Pro Bowl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarassedOffTheSite Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 I doubt it too because their asking price would have to be a couple first rounders or the very least a first and second and then a team would have to pay him that huge salary. That team won't win with him....he isn't a difference maker without someone to get him the ball. Even if he has a better qb they have soo many needs. Its dead cap space to a team that should focus on rebuilding. Adding to that young defense and strengthening the core of the offense. This isn't the NBA. One superstar on your roster won't do you one bit of good. Those fans are going to be pretty disinterested if they go 4-12...with or without Larry. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luck_Is_Skilled Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 I would absolutely love getting Cruz in Colts Blue. As for trading the pick and dismissing the whole "rebuild" concept, I think that was done last year. I see no reason not to be in win now mode and Cruz would definitely help that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhorse Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 Time to put the team in "Cruz" control, baby. He would be worth the 24 pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narcosys Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 BTW, for everone talking about Irsay saying we're close to the cap, it's important to realize that he said that we're "past the cap cash wise" i.e. cash over the cap.Cash over the cap is when you've spent more physical dollars in a year than the salary cap. While bonuses are amortized over multiple years, Cash-over-cap counts all signing bonuses paid out just in the single year (but not previous years). Since we're paying out a bunch of signing bonuses this year, it's no surprise we're cash-over-cap.Sounds like that's really bad for us. I'm hoping we don't start back loading contracts and put us in the same position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKnight24 Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 If this is another Stanford player, I'm officially calling us the Indianapolis Cardinal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Everyone Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 Just so he can retire knowing what it felt like to play with a Good QB for an entire season instead of just in the Pro Bowl Kurt Warner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKnight24 Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 Kurt Warner?That was awhile ago lol. Fitzgerald wants to experience that again. He cries himself to sleep every night wishing he had a good QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Danger Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 whoa.. passed out and drooled on the kb... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 S? LaRon and Antonie defanetly do it for meeBecause Bethea is a free agent after this year and will be at that magical 30 mark. He also had 0 ints and 0 ff last year. That isn't a lot of production out of a guy that is counts 5.75 million on your cap. SS is the hitter...FS is the ball hawk. He just doesn't force very many turnovers. He had 100 tackles last year but I saw him take a lot of bad angles and miss quite a few. It wasn't just Zibs back there. Safety is a position that I think you try to stay on the under side of 30 for because of all the hits. Drafting a replacement will be important I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smittywerb Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 Put it this way, if it wasn't a player of high caliber, it wouldn't have taken this long. You only negotiate for this long when it is worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smittywerb Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 Because Bethea is a free agent after this year and will be at that magical 30 mark. He also had 0 ints and 0 ff last year. That isn't a lot of production out of a guy that is counts 5.75 million on your cap. SS is the hitter...FS is the ball hawk. He just doesn't force very many turnovers. He had 100 tackles last year but I saw him take a lot of bad angles and miss quite a few. It wasn't just Zibs back there. Safety is a position that I think you try to stay on the under side of 30 for because of all the hits. Drafting a replacement will be important I think.Wasn't bethel playing strong safety last year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKnight24 Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 Put it this way, if it wasn't a player of high caliber, it wouldn't have taken this long. You only negotiate for this long when it is worth it."Good things come to those who wait"????Would that be a good booster to make us think it really is a top player? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 Wasn't bethel playing strong safety last year?He has always been our FS. Pehaps the new scheme changed that. I'm not sure. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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