Taking a poll on Richardson and everyone's views...

[2006Coltsbestever]

I would start Flacco this week though to make sure AR is 100% for week 6.

[BeanDiasucci]

6 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

He's our QB for the next 3 years at least, so what you guys going to do? Just bag on him. Honestly, I have no idea whether he will be good or bad. So far when he has played, he has looked good for the most part. Give it 2 seasons, then we can discuss this. He may stay healthy the rest of the season for all we know. If he doesn't than you win.

We can discuss it whenever we want. It's going to get discussed every week. You must understand that, right? The progress of a young 1st round QB on any team is going to get discussed every week. When you have a guy as talented as Richardson with the ups and downs he has, including the injuries, it's going to get discussed even more. 

 

I just hope he can make it through two seasons without another serious injury. That doesn't seem obvious right now. 

[2006Coltsbestever]

15 minutes ago, BeanDiasucci said:

The biggest reason the Colts went 3-13 was that their defense was the worst in the league. Their offense was in the middle of the league. It was Peyton's worst season, but he still was first team All-Rookie. He was much better than Richardson is now. I'm not saying that to downgrade Richardson, but just because it's an obvious fact. 

 

It was Peyton freakin Manning. My point was even Peyton struggled as a rookie. Josh Allen was terrible as a rookie.

[2006Coltsbestever]

1 minute ago, BeanDiasucci said:

We can discuss it whenever we want. It's going to get discussed every week. You must understand that, right? The progress of a young 1st round QB on any team is going to get discussed every week. When you have a guy as talented as Richardson with the ups and downs he has, including the injuries, it's going to get discussed even more. 

 

I just hope he can make it through two seasons without another serious injury. That doesn't seem obvious right now. 

It should be discussed but to say the guy should be traded or is a bust after 9 starts is ridiculous, you do understand that, right?

[BeanDiasucci]

Just now, 2006Coltsbestever said:

It should be discussed but to say the guy should be traded or is a bust after 9 starts is ridiculous, you do understand that, right?

I don't agree with those opinions, but I 100% support the right of other fans to have and share those opinions. They may even turn out to be right. How do we know one way or the other? 

[2006Coltsbestever]

Just now, BeanDiasucci said:

I don't agree with those opinions, but I 100% support the right of other fans to have and share those opinions. They may even turn out to be right. How do we know one way or the other? 

I am glad you don't agree, and yes everyone has right to an opinion but give me a break, after 9 starts some of these opinions are mindboggling. I can see if the guy sucks for 3 years.

[a06cc]

2 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

I am glad you don't agree, and yes everyone has right to an opinion but give me a break, after 9 starts some of these opinions are mindboggling. I can see if the guy sucks for 3 years.

Yeah 9 starts in 2 seasons. Give me a break 🤣🤣🤣

[2006Coltsbestever]

1 minute ago, a06cc said:

Yeah 9 starts in 2 seasons. Give me a break 🤣🤣🤣

You again  

[2006Coltsbestever]

I am not even mad; I am just playing with you guys. I am done getting the Homer in me, too old and bad for the blood pressure. It's all fun. 

[jvan1973]

21 minutes ago, a06cc said:

Yeah 9 starts in 2 seasons. Give me a break 🤣🤣🤣

9 starts in 1 1/4 seasons

[2006Coltsbestever]

6 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

9 starts in 1 1/4 seasons

Look at the above posts. I went at a few earlier but it's not worth getting mad over. 9 starts though is the comical thing to give up on someone.

[AwesomeAustin]

I’m going with the odds. AR has ability beyond anything the league has really seen before. Still, QBs fail way more than they succeed. AR is super raw and unpolished so needs a lot of playing time to see if he will develop.   Unfortunately that takes time to figure out.  I doubted he would succeed when we drafted him and I see nothing yet that has changed my mind. The organization and staff are behind him and will give AR every chance to become a franchise QB. I hope it all works out but I strongly doubt it. 

[Indeee]

1 hour ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

This realist take is bull. You are not realist. A realist would say something like the Jags stink, the Chiefs are great. You just want to dump on the Colts.

A realist would say jags stink? 😁

 

In "Real Time" observations with real time outcomes are what make my takes on this situation a Realist point of view.

 

Come on. You may want to not give up on this player yet. You make think my trading him is an overreaction. Actually, I agree with you about my assessment of trading him. It is an overreaction to want to trade him so early because I so want him to be our franchise, but it stems from not wanting to get hosed in the backend for not acting upon what seems clearly obvious at this point. The obvious being that this kid doesn't look like he is going to be able to ever give an NFL team a full complete and consistent season for whatever reason and yes, that is what we all have seen in 9 games including you. Do you need 10 games? How about 17 as the Panthers did with young. How many games are too many to wait until we make a move because by then it might be too late. You stated 3 years. That's a long time considering how many years this team has been struggling now.

 

I truly hope I'm wrong about this guy. I will be the first to eat major crow if I am. All I know is when anyone gets compared to Cam Newton you run a gazillion miles in the opposite direction and our BrainTrust decided to sink their own ship based on what "could be" in terms of his talent when they already knew what it could be and that was Cam Newton and Cam Newton was a terrible QB. Nuff said.

[Dingus McGirt]

1 hour ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

We just beat Pittsburgh, give it a rest and we are 2-2, not 0-4.

Injuries, sir.  Not W-L record.

[jvan1973]

23 minutes ago, Indeee said:

A realist would say jags stink? 😁

 

In "Real Time" observations with real time outcomes are what make my takes on this situation a Realist point of view.

 

Come on. You may want to not give up on this player yet. You make think my trading him is an overreaction. Actually, I agree with you about my assessment of trading him. It is an overreaction to want to trade him so early because I so want him to be our franchise, but it stems from not wanting to get hosed in the backend for not acting upon what seems clearly obvious at this point. The obvious being that this kid doesn't look like he is going to be able to ever give an NFL team a full complete and consistent season for whatever reason and yes, that is what we all have seen in 9 games including you. Do you need 10 games? How about 17 as the Panthers did with young. How many games are too many to wait until we make a move because by then it might be too late. You stated 3 years. That's a long time considering how many years this team has been struggling now.

 

I truly hope I'm wrong about this guy. I will be the first to eat major crow if I am. All I know is when anyone gets compared to Cam Newton you run a gazillion miles in the opposite direction and our BrainTrust decided to sink their own ship based on what "could be" in terms of his talent when they already knew what it could be and that was Cam Newton and Cam Newton was a terrible QB. Nuff said.

Cam Newton won an MVP.  He was far from terrible 

[adubb84]

1 hour ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

I am starting to hate this place. 

 

I hear you! It’s been rough even though we are 2-2 and the season LITERALLY just started. Was it frustrating seeing AR go out again! Absolutely. However I’m not giving up on him when there is still so many games left to evaluate and process what kind of player he is. 
 

As for his response on being injury prone. He’s obviously annoyed on being labeled something on such limited action. I fully expect him to come back even more focused when he gets on the field.

 

He had this look of confidence last season before he got injured for the rest of the season during the titans game. If you go back and watch he had the same look and demeanor during the Pittsburgh game before being out the rest of the game. Only difference this time is he can still come back this season and build upon that. He’s going to light it up next game. 

[Indeee]

13 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

Cam Newton won an MVP.  He was far from terrible 

Awards aside and the SB appearance aside, his accomplishments are debatable. He was more polished than AR coming out of college in the same areas, I personally was never a fan of Cam Newton. I think from a pure QB standpoint he was not very good. He was a superb athlete who at times did wonders as a football player. So maybe my bias in the QB dept here is taking over a bit. 

[Jason_]

2 hours ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

I am starting to hate this place. Some people say they are realist, being a realist doesn't give up on a QB after 9 games. 

 

welcome aboard

[ShuteAt168]

5 hours ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

After 9 starts. This is such a bad take that I can't even go on. Let the guy play at least 25 games.

25 FULL games? Because at this rate it’s going to take 50 starts to get him 25 full games. 

[Jason_]

4 hours ago, a06cc said:

Yeah 9 starts in 2 seasons. Give me a break 🤣🤣🤣

 

I didn't realize the 2024 season had ended already. Who won the superbowl?

 

4 hours ago, BeanDiasucci said:

I don't agree with those opinions, but I 100% support the right of other fans to have and share those opinions. They may even turn out to be right. How do we know one way or the other? 

 

And I support the right of myself and others to point out when those opinions are ridiculous or downright stupid

[GoColts8818]

4 hours ago, BeanDiasucci said:

I don't agree with those opinions, but I 100% support the right of other fans to have and share those opinions. They may even turn out to be right. How do we know one way or the other? 

People can have whatever opinion they want, including disagreeing with and stating why they disagree with someone else’s opinion.

[jvan1973]

3 hours ago, Indeee said:

Awards aside and the SB appearance aside, his accomplishments are debatable. He was more polished than AR coming out of college in the same areas, I personally was never a fan of Cam Newton. I think from a pure QB standpoint he was not very good. He was a superb athlete who at times did wonders as a football player. So maybe my bias in the QB dept here is taking over a bit. 

Set aside personal and team records and accomplishments.   He just sucks.   Interesting take

[ImissPeyton18]

10 hours ago, jvan1973 said:

I don't think he has broken any bones

I believe this is obvious to most. Maybe he should have said," working out too much makes for a weak brain." This may be AR's problem in a nut shell. Jamarcus Russel, Vince Young..............

[ImissPeyton18]

2 hours ago, jvan1973 said:

Set aside personal and team records and accomplishments.   He just sucks.   Interesting take

Add Cam Newton to my last response...... 

[ImissPeyton18]

2 hours ago, jvan1973 said:

Set aside personal and team records and accomplishments.   He just sucks.   Interesting take

From reading Indee angle on this I did not get Cam Newton sucks as you took it. That was your words. When Cam was in a good head space he was good. When he wasn't playing well, he could not recover . He was always inconsistent. We all saw him sulking on the bench instead of reviewing what went wrong and how to do better. This is a classic problem with great athletes. They can run fast. they can throw the ball really far. But they cannot play QB at the professional level consistently year in and year out and be the face of the franchise for 15 to 18 years. Manning, Luck,Unitas and even Harbough set the level high on quarterback play. Why stop looking  and settling for much less. Keep looking and trying to get better.

[ImissPeyton18]

3 hours ago, Jason_ said:

 

I didn't realize the 2024 season had ended already. Who won the superbowl?

 

 

And I support the right of myself and others to point out when those opinions are ridiculous or downright stupid

you do have the right to be stupid. don't let anyone tell you different.

[Nesjan3]

Just reading through the comment there is a lot of bickering. 

 

Honestly any completely unbiased opinion/viewpoint with an understanding of football would say the sample size is not near big enough to make any fair determination of what AR is. However what we have seen thus far health and play on the field is not good, not good at all. By all metrics the only QB worse is Bryce Young.

 

There solved it

[RollerColt]

9 hours ago, Indeee said:

The first thing we need to do is stop chastising other fans for being realistic. We all have concerns. You do too as you stated above.

 

We have given this team and its player ungodly amounts of chances over these Ballard years, and it has been dismal. You are right though, there is nothing we can do however we should be able to agree when the duck actually walks and talks like a duck from a realistic standpoint.

 

It's okay to hope and give chances but at the same time, sometimes you don't need to keep giving chances to things already realized if we just removed the finger-crossed glasses some of us wear every day.

You’re right. You have every right to have your opinion. 
 

Odds are stacked in favor of failure more than success in the NFL. Sustained winning is hard. Avoiding injuries is hard nowadays for QBs… More than likely due to the odds the Colts will be continuing to search for a QB in the future. 
 

It is what it is. 

[RollerColt]

44 minutes ago, Nesjan3 said:

Just reading through the comment there is a lot of bickering. 

 

Honestly any completely unbiased opinion/viewpoint with an understanding of football would say the sample size is not near big enough to make any fair determination of what AR is. However what we have seen thus far health and play on the field is not good, not good at all. By all metrics the only QB worse is Bryce Young.

 

There solved it

I’d say Levis is worse than AR as of this season. He’s single handedly lost the Titans multiple games. 

[BeanDiasucci]

4 hours ago, Jason_ said:

 

I didn't realize the 2024 season had ended already. Who won the superbowl?

 

 

And I support the right of myself and others to point out when those opinions are ridiculous or downright stupid

Sure. I support that, too. What I don't get is people saying others need to stop discussing this subject or that people are ruining this message board by stating opinions they don't agree with.