Harbaugh to jump to NFL?

[richard pallo]

On 1/6/2023 at 10:42 AM, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

 

I just read an article on Colts wire that said Dodds and Harbaugh are very close.  It said Dodds was going to be the GM if he was offered the Raiders coaching job last year.  And of course he would have had Carr there.  A lot of potential moving pieces this off season.  Need to keep an eye on Ballard and Dodds and how those two shake out. 

[MB-ColtsFan]

33 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:

The only reason Harbaugh might want to come to the NFL is to win a ring. Does he really want a ring so bad he would walk away from the one job that he wanted his whole life? 

In Michigan he has total control and really only has to answer to any NCAA violations. 

The head coaches position between college and pros are 2 totally different jobs. They are only alike in name only. 

 

I think it depends on the penalty for the violation.  I have zero knowledge of that kind of stuff, but I would think that he may get a game or two at the most?  That wouldn't be a death sentence by any stretch, so I don't think it really factors into him staying or not. 

 

Now if he was going to be suspended for a season or half a season...

[2006Coltsbestever]

1 hour ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

I wonder what Harbaugh thinks of Stroud. He has had front row seat to watch him play.

Nothing like a Michigan/Ohio St combo 

[Nickster]

3 hours ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

That is why Jim should have been smart about it. Put in for a to go order, order the kid a steak dinner and he can say it is for him. Pay cash for it and take the dinner to the kids house. -ways around these weasel rules.

Maybe just don’t buy the recruit dinner though since it’s against therules.  Pretty sure a a MI Fb recruit ain’t starving.

 

it’s not hard to imagine the slippery slope when coaches start overtly buying stuff for recruits,  at least it’s not for me.

 

I personally am sympathetic to what the rules are there for whether or not they work is a different story.

 

ihad a couple of good friends who were big time Fb recruits and they were uhh ahem escorted around campus and didn’t go to bed hungry, thirsty, or uhhh unsatisfied.

[Nickster]

3 hours ago, Dr. T said:

Maybe Harbaugh bought the hamburger on purpose. Then HE instructs someone to leak it to the press. Then he could say, "See how ridiculous these NCAA rules are? Sorry Michigan, but I can't take this anymore. I'm leaving to go back to the NFL."

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

46 minutes ago, richard pallo said:

I just read an article on Colts wire that said Dodds and Harbaugh are very close.  It said Dodds was going to be the GM if he was offered the Raiders coaching job last year.  And of course he would have had Carr there.  A lot of potential moving pieces this off season.  Need to keep an eye on Ballard and Dodds and how those two shake out. 

That’s exactly what I posted the other day and heard. Makes things interesting.

[Smonroe]

2 hours ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Nope. The NFL and college are 2 separate entities. If he leaves Michigan and goes pro he can start fresh.

 

Precedent was set with Tressel.   It's not a hard rule, but IMHO it should be.

[2006Coltsbestever]

7 minutes ago, Nickster said:

- Homer on LSD  

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

54 minutes ago, richard pallo said:

I just read an article on Colts wire that said Dodds and Harbaugh are very close.  It said Dodds was going to be the GM if he was offered the Raiders coaching job last year.  And of course he would have had Carr there.  A lot of potential moving pieces this off season.  Need to keep an eye on Ballard and Dodds and how those two shake out. 

Omg this was just posted on Albert Beers story on teams who are looking for coaches. If we end up with  Frazier I will throw up. I wish Irsay would keep polian and all these people out of the colts business and stop living in the past.

 

Where Colts owner Jim Irsay goes with his search is anyone’s guess. But Harbaugh is a name to watch. Obviously, Harbaugh knows Irsay well, and played for him in the ’90s. Also, a guy who I think would be among Harbaugh’s picks for a GM—Colts assistant GM Ed Dodds—is already in Indy. So there are reasons why the fit there would make sense, with a roster that bares some similarities to the one Harbaugh had in San Francisco a decade ago. If it’s not Harbaugh, one name to keep an eye on is Bills defensive coordinator and former Colts assistant Leslie Frazier, particularly if, as is expected, Bill Polian and Tony Dungy help Irsay with the search. (I also can’t totally rule out Jeff Saturday sticking because of Irsay’s affection for his old center, though that seems unlikely.)

 

[Smonroe]

3 hours ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Nope. The NFL and college are 2 separate entities. If he leaves Michigan and goes pro he can start fresh.

 

And this:  https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/06/goodell-if-colts-hadnt-suspended-tressel-i-would-have/

 

Believe me now?

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

This was also in the column.

 

• A couple other GM names connected to Harbaugh would be ex-Jaguars, Eagles and 49ers exec Tom Gamble, and Ravens director of football research Scott Cohen (or maybe someone from Baltimore’s personnel department such as Joe Hortiz). So … does Harbaugh leave Michigan? The program is in good shape, and he has a really good team coming back. But NCAA sanctions are looming, and those calls to the Panthers were made, I’m told, because of his curiosity over that job, which says to me he’s really thinking about it.

 

[2006Coltsbestever]

1 minute ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

Omg this was just posted on Albert Beers story on teams who are looking for coaches. If we end up with  Frazier I will throw up. I wish Irsay would keep polian and all these people out of the colts business and stop living in the past.

 

Where Colts owner Jim Irsay goes with his search is anyone’s guess. But Harbaugh is a name to watch. Obviously, Harbaugh knows Irsay well, and played for him in the ’90s. Also, a guy who I think would be among Harbaugh’s picks for a GM—Colts assistant GM Ed Dodds—is already in Indy. So there are reasons why the fit there would make sense, with a roster that bares some similarities to the one Harbaugh had in San Francisco a decade ago. If it’s not Harbaugh, one name to keep an eye on is Bills defensive coordinator and former Colts assistant Leslie Frazier, particularly if, as is expected, Bill Polian and Tony Dungy help Irsay with the search. (I also can’t totally rule out Jeff Saturday sticking because of Irsay’s affection for his old center, though that seems unlikely.)

 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

3 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

The interesting part here is DODDS being linked to Harbaugh.

[2006Coltsbestever]

4 minutes ago, Smonroe said:

 

And this:  https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/06/goodell-if-colts-hadnt-suspended-tressel-i-would-have/

 

Believe me now?

But yet nothing happened to Pete Carroll. It depends on the circumstance I guess. What Jim did wasn't that bad, I highly doubt buying someone cheese burger will get him suspended if he decides to come here.

[BProland85]

1 hour ago, richard pallo said:

I just read an article on Colts wire that said Dodds and Harbaugh are very close.  It said Dodds was going to be the GM if he was offered the Raiders coaching job last year.  And of course he would have had Carr there.  A lot of potential moving pieces this off season.  Need to keep an eye on Ballard and Dodds and how those two shake out. 

I’ve been saying for awhile that I would love Dodds to take over, and then pair him with Harbaugh as HC. 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

So Harbaugh called the Panthers.  I don’t understand why that job is so appealing.

[1959Colts]

5 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

Omg this was just posted on Albert Beers story on teams who are looking for coaches. If we end up with  Frazier I will throw up. I wish Irsay would keep polian and all these people out of the colts business and stop living in the past.

 

Where Colts owner Jim Irsay goes with his search is anyone’s guess. But Harbaugh is a name to watch. Obviously, Harbaugh knows Irsay well, and played for him in the ’90s. Also, a guy who I think would be among Harbaugh’s picks for a GM—Colts assistant GM Ed Dodds—is already in Indy. So there are reasons why the fit there would make sense, with a roster that bares some similarities to the one Harbaugh had in San Francisco a decade ago. If it’s not Harbaugh, one name to keep an eye on is Bills defensive coordinator and former Colts assistant Leslie Frazier, particularly if, as is expected, Bill Polian and Tony Dungy help Irsay with the search. (I also can’t totally rule out Jeff Saturday sticking because of Irsay’s affection for his old center, though that seems unlikely.)

 

Yep. Irsay will probably end up hiring Frasier, then after a couple years, give him a hefty contract extension

...only to fire Leslie the following year. Business as usual for Jim Irsay

[2006Coltsbestever]

2 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

So Harbaugh called the Panthers.  I don’t understand why that job is so appealing.

Because their owner is offering a ton of money is why but that job would suck with Darnold at QB. Irsay just needs to dig deep in those ol' pockets of his if he ever wants to win.

[Smonroe]

8 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

But yet nothing happened to Pete Carroll. It depends on the circumstance I guess. What Jim did wasn't that bad, I highly doubt buying someone cheese burger will get him suspended if he decides to come here.

 

Carroll was way worse than Tressel, but it happened earlier.  The NFL is trying to present the squeaky clean image.

 

And you can bet Harbaugh did more than buy a hamburger for a kid.  He's no different than any other power 5 coach.  

 

Still, if the NCAA suspends him, it's pretty clear that the NFL is going to follow suit.  Just for appearances.  

[richard pallo]

5 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

Omg this was just posted on Albert Beers story on teams who are looking for coaches. If we end up with  Frazier I will throw up. I wish Irsay would keep polian and all these people out of the colts business and stop living in the past.

 

Where Colts owner Jim Irsay goes with his search is anyone’s guess. But Harbaugh is a name to watch. Obviously, Harbaugh knows Irsay well, and played for him in the ’90s. Also, a guy who I think would be among Harbaugh’s picks for a GM—Colts assistant GM Ed Dodds—is already in Indy. So there are reasons why the fit there would make sense, with a roster that bares some similarities to the one Harbaugh had in San Francisco a decade ago. If it’s not Harbaugh, one name to keep an eye on is Bills defensive coordinator and former Colts assistant Leslie Frazier, particularly if, as is expected, Bill Polian and Tony Dungy help Irsay with the search. (I also can’t totally rule out Jeff Saturday sticking because of Irsay’s affection for his old center, though that seems unlikely.)

 

Would Irsay fire Ballard at the end of the season and elevate Dodds just before the coaching search?    I guess we will know soon enough.

[1959Colts]

20 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

Omg this was just posted on Albert Beers story on teams who are looking for coaches. If we end up with  Frazier I will throw up. I wish Irsay would keep polian and all these people out of the colts business and stop living in the past.

 

Where Colts owner Jim Irsay goes with his search is anyone’s guess. But Harbaugh is a name to watch. Obviously, Harbaugh knows Irsay well, and played for him in the ’90s. Also, a guy who I think would be among Harbaugh’s picks for a GM—Colts assistant GM Ed Dodds—is already in Indy. So there are reasons why the fit there would make sense, with a roster that bares some similarities to the one Harbaugh had in San Francisco a decade ago. If it’s not Harbaugh, one name to keep an eye on is Bills defensive coordinator and former Colts assistant Leslie Frazier, particularly if, as is expected, Bill Polian and Tony Dungy help Irsay with the search. (I also can’t totally rule out Jeff Saturday sticking because of Irsay’s affection for his old center, though that seems unlikely.)

 

I agree, I don't want Frasier either.

One would think Irsay will want to secure his head coach in a timely manner.

Remembering how McDaniels strung them along, and by the time McDaniels reneged on the deal, all the other coaching candidates had already been picked by other teams (Vrabel, Nagy, etc)

Maybe the best case would be Buffalo going all the way to the Superbowl, prolonging the interview process,

[richard pallo]

11 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

So Harbaugh called the Panthers.  I don’t understand why that job is so appealing.

Maybe to see if he could bring his own GM.

[2006Coltsbestever]

1 minute ago, richard pallo said:

Maybe to see if he could bring his own GM.

With Sam Darnold at QB, God could be the GM and they would still suck 

[richard pallo]

8 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Because their owner is offering a ton of money is why but that job would suck with Darnold at QB. Irsay just needs to dig deep in those ol' pockets of his if he ever wants to win.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Darnold is the FA quarterback we sigh in the off-season to replace Ryan and Foles.  He would be the starter until the rookie is ready.

[2006Coltsbestever]

Just now, richard pallo said:

I wouldn’t be surprised if Darnold is the FA quarterback we sigh in the off-season to replace Ryan and Foles.  He would be the starter until the rookie is ready.

I hope not 

[richard pallo]

1 minute ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

With Sam Darnold at QB, God could be the GM and they would still suck 

Darnold has played well to close the season.  Had them in contention actually.

[JColts72]

Why would Irsay want Jim H?. when he has such an outstanding coach in Jeff and will be the official HC since they are best buddies.

[NewColtsFan]

13 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

So Harbaugh called the Panthers.  I don’t understand why that job is so appealing.

A story I saw yesterday said Carolina is Harbs choice due to this….

 

A top young LT.               Nkwannu. (sp?)

A top young WR1.            Moore

A top young pass rushing DE.   Burns

A top young CB1.              Horn

 

 

Story said Colts were his 2nd choice and Denver the 3rd.   The Wilson contract was viewed as a huge negative. 

[2006Coltsbestever]

Just now, richard pallo said:

Darnold has played well to close the season.  Had them in contention actually.

[2006Coltsbestever]

9 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

A story I saw yesterday said Carolina is Harbs choice due to this….

 

A top young LT.               Nkwannu. (sp?)

A top young WR1.            Moore

A top young pass rushing DE.   Burns

A top young CB1.              Horn

 

 

Story said Colts were his 2nd choice and Denver the 3rd.   The Wilson contract was viewed as a huge negative. 

Being honest, I never heard of that LT.

 

Pittman had better stats than Moore and our offense was putrid.

 

Burns is a good player, I will give that story that.

 

Gilmore is better than Horn.

 

To me the only thing appealing to me would be the money their owner is putting up, they don't even have a QB that is any good.

 

[2006Coltsbestever]

16 minutes ago, JColts72 said:

Why would Irsay want Jim H?. when he has such an outstanding coach in Jeff and will be the official HC since they are best buddies.

We could just hire Reggie Wayne as head coach - he is already on the staff, that would take care of the Rooney Rule as well. Kill 2 birds with 1 stone 

[NewColtsFan]

4 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Being honest, I never heard of that LT.

 

Pittman had better stats than Moore and our offense was putrid.

 

Burns is a good player, I will give that story that.

 

Gilmore is better than Horn.

 

To me the only thing appealing to me would be the money their owner is putting up, they don't even have a QB that is any good.

 

Goodness gracious… 

 

I misspelled the OTs last name.  Ekwanu was drafted 6th overall last year. 
 

Moore had better stats than Pittman this year and every other year in the NFL, it’s not even close.   I don’t know where you got that?

 

Burns is very good. 
 

Gilmore is in his 30’s and closer to retirement than he is to his prime.  Horn is about 8 years younger.   That difference is huge. 

Did you not see the word “younger”?   I used it for every player. 
 

 

[2006Coltsbestever]

3 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

Goodness gracious… 

 

I misspelled the OTs last name.  Ekwanu was drafted 6th overall last year. 
 

Moore had better stats than Pittman this year and every other year in the NFL, it’s not even close.   I don’t know where you got that?

 

Burns is very good. 
 

Gilmore is in his 30’s and closer to retirement than he is to his prime.  Horn is about 8 years younger.   That difference is huge. 

Did you not see the word “younger”?   I used it for every player. 
 

 

Oh I know who the Lineman is now, never mind. Pittman had 96 catches this year, Moore had 62. Pittman also has more yards more receiving. Regarding those 2, you need to look at the stats again, 96-62 is not even close catch wise. Pittman was used like a true #1. Moore is not better than Pittman. I said Burns is good.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

27 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

A story I saw yesterday said Carolina is Harbs choice due to this….

 

A top young LT.               Nkwannu. (sp?)

A top young WR1.            Moore

A top young pass rushing DE.   Burns

A top young CB1.              Horn

 

 

Story said Colts were his 2nd choice and Denver the 3rd.   The Wilson contract was viewed as a huge negative. 

Where is the QB? 

[richard pallo]

7 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Oh I know who the Lineman is now, never mind. Pittman had 96 catches this year, Moore had 62. Pittman also has more yards more receiving. Regarding those 2, you need to look at the stats again, 96-62 is not even close catch wise. Pittman was used like a true #1. Moore is not better than Pittman. I said Burns is good.

We have Kwity Paye.

[2006Coltsbestever]

Just now, richard pallo said:

We have Kwity Paye.

That too, I just don't see the appeal with Carolina, maybe others do. We also have a top 5 pick so we are going to get a QB that is young that we can work with. Burns is damn good but Pittman is better than Moore, just look at the stats. He has 34 more catches - that isn't even close.

[2006Coltsbestever]

28 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

Goodness gracious… 

 

I misspelled the OTs last name.  Ekwanu was drafted 6th overall last year. 
 

Moore had better stats than Pittman this year and every other year in the NFL, it’s not even close.   I don’t know where you got that?

 

Burns is very good. 
 

Gilmore is in his 30’s and closer to retirement than he is to his prime.  Horn is about 8 years younger.   That difference is huge. 

Did you not see the word “younger”?   I used it for every player. 
 

 

Your 3rd sentence is false but I don't feel like arguing. 96-62 catch wise for Pittman, that is such a landslide that it is funny. Moore has 7 TD's to Pittman's 3 TD's that isn't much of an advantage but Yards and Catches belong to Pitt. Pittman has been better. So not sure why you think Moore is better stat wise?

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

The colts defense is already pretty good what would be the point in bringing a guy like Frazier in. They need major offensive overhaul. I would really hate that hire.

[2006Coltsbestever]

1 hour ago, Nickster said:

Maybe just don’t buy the recruit dinner though since it’s against therules.  Pretty sure a a MI Fb recruit ain’t starving.

 

it’s not hard to imagine the slippery slope when coaches start overtly buying stuff for recruits,  at least it’s not for me.

 

I personally am sympathetic to what the rules are there for whether or not they work is a different story.

 

ihad a couple of good friends who were big time Fb recruits and they were uhh ahem escorted around campus and didn’t go to bed hungry, thirsty, or uhhh unsatisfied.

or maybe just get a to go order and take it over to the kids house (close the blinds and Jim can say he ate the food while talking to the kid - I think of everything), everyone can eat and be happy, instead of someone getting in trouble over buying someone a cheese burger. Like I said there are ways around these silly rules. 2 can play that game . Maybe the kid was hungry.

[Nickster]

10 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Your 3rd sentence is false but I don't feel like arguing. 96-62 catch wise for Pittman, that is such a landslide that it is funny. Moore has 7 TD's to Pittman's 3 TD's that isn't much of an advantage but Yards and Catches belong to Pitt. Pittman has been better. So not sure why you think Moore is better stat wise?

To me your interpretation is way off base. Pittman produces like a RB out of the backfield.  Mostly volume catches near the Los.  Also Moore works in an offense that averages 25 less yards a game and Moore and Pittman have practically identical yardage

 

teams are more concerned with a player like Moore who gains chucks than a guy taking catch after catch in front of the zone and getting tackled.