Jim Irsay says,"Why do some of u guys want us 2 sign Moss? We got Reggie,Gonzo,Austin,Pierre?"

[Peytongirl]

Like I said, imagine what he could do with a great QB when he is still showing flashes of brilliance like that.

[Rich Cannon]

Randy Moss is a great player and his carrer proved it but lets be realistic, would bringing Moss in when we dont need him be smart? I think some colts fans get offensively star struck :excite: and just want to bring in any old free agent to better the team. We have a pro bowl calibur TE - Dallas Clark, Our future number one reciever in Austin Collie (When Waynes career is done) A still productive pro bowler in Reggie Wayne, a young upcoming Pierre Garcon (with improvement on his hands and routes he could be an elite wr) not to mention Jacob Tamme, Blair White, Anthony Gonzales and Joe Addai. Even if Moss did come to the colts, he would stunt the growth of Garcon. And what i mean by stunt the growth is Garcons playing time would drop substantialy from lets say 40 snaps to about 15. The way players get better is throguh practice and in game experice. Not to mention the chemistry factor of moss and our team. Would that work? We dont know. Right now we have a great offensive chemistry between our guys and i wouldnt want to see that broken. Everyone is entitled to their opinions and i understand that, but dont let your opinions cloud your judgement to what the truth is.

[Cliff Claven]

@JimIrsay (TWITTER

Jim Irsay

Why do some of u guys want us 2 sign Moss? We got Reggie,Gonzo,Austin,Pierre?

My link

also more recent he says" Is Randy Moss really at St. Elmos 2nite? I know nothing of this,but Indy IS quite nice in August-Talked 2 M Faulk 2day,he's firedup4saturday"

i guess we not getting him

I'm a cynic. I don't believe Mr. Irsay himself, or any owner, would be tweeting like that. Sounds like a rap artist.

[cujo]

Cliff youshould read some of Irsay's tweets on his twitter acct. ' the man is really a fun guy to follow. He also knows who we need and when to go out and try to get them. He is defently out there on most of twitter talk. lol

[P-Money]

Randy Moss is a great player and his carrer proved it but lets be realistic, would bringing Moss in when we dont need him be smart? I think some colts fans get offensively star struck <img src='http://www.colts.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/33excite.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':excite:' /> and just want to bring in any old free agent to better the team. We have a pro bowl calibur TE - Dallas Clark, Our future number one reciever in Austin Collie (When Waynes career is done) A still productive pro bowler in Reggie Wayne, a young upcoming Pierre Garcon (with improvement on his hands and routes he could be an elite wr) not to mention Jacob Tamme, Blair White, Anthony Gonzales and Joe Addai. Even if Moss did come to the colts, he would stunt the growth of Garcon. And what i mean by stunt the growth is Garcons playing time would drop substantialy from lets say 40 snaps to about 15. The way players get better is throguh practice and in game experice. Not to mention the chemistry factor of moss and our team. Would that work? We dont know. Right now we have a great offensive chemistry between our guys and i wouldnt want to see that broken. Everyone is entitled to their opinions and i understand that, but dont let your opinions cloud your judgement to what the truth is.

Couldn't have said it any better than this. Totally agree Rich. You win the debate!!!

[chad72]

ok so you would rather have a washed up slot reciever who had 0!!! touchdowns last year rather than randy moss..wow

so would you want to start him over collie or gonzo or white or clark who all play the slot for us???

yeah stokley WAS pretty good in denver..didnt he have 23 TDs there one year?? oh no, i 4got..that was MOSS!!!

since you want to be like John Lennon and imagine, then imagine what moss would be with a good QB again..unless we build a time machine and travel back to 2006 when stokley had his best year..then we would grab stokley again..oh, or we could trade a 5th round draft pick for Moss and have him go on to score 23 TDs the next year!!!!

"all we are saying is give "the freak" a chance"

I think what she is saying is "we are not going to sign a WR unless a drastic injury hits our WR corp during the season and if we are going to sign someone late, we will sign someone who can contribute the quickest". The injured WRs for us have been the slot kind - Gonzo, Collie, and even Blair White right now. So, if that were the case, an injury to the slot wideout, it makes sense to bring in a vet like Stokely who knows our system, is a good route runner and can fit in faster (who like Deion Branch was washed up in Seattle, managed to catch not even a handful of TDs in Seattle before his chemistry with Brady re-surfaced at NE, how did that happen like night and day, hint, it is something called QB???). Another option is Steve Smith, another slot wideout who always managed to get open for Eli Manning, who has had his share of injuries too and is a good route runner too and has less mileage on his tires than Stokely.

I understand people being enamored with a talent like Randy Moss but it all depends on how late in the season a WR is brought in. Moss would benefit a whole TC with Peyton if we need to see a high level production out of him. Peyton is not throwing at TC, and wideouts that know the system will be preferred in this situation in a short offseason, and that would be the wise thing to do to get a high level of production and promote chemistry.

[Mrfox]

ok so you would rather have a washed up slot reciever who had 0!!! touchdowns last year rather than randy moss..wow

I guess you missed the wild card playoff game last year:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-cant-miss-plays/09000d5d81d8c4fe/Stokley-burns-Saints-deep-for-TD

And if you missed that then you probably missed the divisional round game as well:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/auto/09000d5d81db9099/Brandon-Stokley-9-yard-TD

[indy_nick]

Stokley would be so much better than Moss! I second that. Stokley is another example of someone that fits our system and flourishes in it.

[nicky6times]

I guess you missed the wild card playoff game last year:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-cant-miss-plays/09000d5d81d8c4fe/Stokley-burns-Saints-deep-for-TD

And if you missed that then you probably missed the divisional round game as well:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/auto/09000d5d81db9099/Brandon-Stokley-9-yard-TD

how many highlights of moss do you want me 2 post?

i know were not getting him, just think he would b a player that could push into the top 2 teams in the nfl..which would mean SB

[Mrfox]

Stokley would be so much better than Moss! I second that. Stokley is another example of someone that fits our system and flourishes in it.

And would not be a problem in our locker room.

He is however a slot receiver, and we already have 2 of those whom are pretty good themselves (collie and Gonzo) I think what some are wanting with Moss is another outside reciver instead of Garcon. mainly because of his hands problems. I think it is just a concentration problem with him and something I am sure that both he and the coaching staff know about.

[doogansquest]

ok so you would rather have a washed up slot reciever who had 0!!! touchdowns last year rather than randy moss..wow

so would you want to start him over collie or gonzo or white or clark who all play the slot for us???

yeah stokley WAS pretty good in denver..didnt he have 23 TDs there one year?? oh no, i 4got..that was MOSS!!!

since you want to be like John Lennon and imagine, then imagine what moss would be with a good QB again..unless we build a time machine and travel back to 2006 when stokley had his best year..then we would grab stokley again..oh, or we could trade a 5th round draft pick for Moss and have him go on to score 23 TDs the next year!!!!

"all we are saying is give "the freak" a chance"

He won't score 23 TD's ever again. In fact, he likely won't score that many TD's combined for the remainder of his (now retired) career, no matter who's throwing to him.

He had a few good QB's last year (Brady, Favre), yet he was irrelevant. Moss just doesn't want it anymore. The prospect of playing with Peyton won't change that. Moss has an ego too and isn't starstruck by the idea of catching balls from #18.

You also have to consider that Manning is a trust-guy. He wants guys who have precise timing and work 100% on every play. Moss has never been anything above pedestrian when it comes to route running, and his motivation has always been suspect. Since he's only really good for one route anymore, he would simply handicap the things Peyton likes to do out there after a few games. Manning would basically stop throwing to him.

how many highlights of moss do you want me 2 post?

i know were not getting him, just think he would b a player that could push into the top 2 teams in the nfl..which would mean SB

No he wouldn't. He's only ever made one Super Bowl, and he practically didn't show up. In today's league, a wide receiver will virtually never be an imperative reason to a team's ability to reach the Super Bowl.

As to the highlights comment: That person was offering you a counter to your suggestion that Stokley hasn't done anything for a long time. They then gave you videos of last year's playoffs where Stokley performed well. Moss didn't do anything last year. Like, at all.

So, if you are going to retort, do so in-context. Your suggestion that Stokley hasn't been relevant recently was flat-out wrong, and the proof is there.

[nicky6times]

DOOGANSQUEST

u: "He won't score 23 TD's ever again. In fact, he likely won't score that many TD's combined for the remainder of his (now retired) career, no matter who's throwing to him."

me: neither will stokley..we dont need 23..id take 8..that would be 2 more than garcon has ever scored in a yr..and sure he probly wont score an all time record amount of 23 TDs in a year ill give you that..geez

u: "He had a few good QB's last year (Brady, Favre), yet he was irrelevant. Moss just doesn't want it anymore. The prospect of playing with Peyton won't change that. Moss has an ego too and isn't starstruck by the idea of catching balls from #18."

me: really with those 2 qb's (Brady, Favre) he had 5 TDs in 8 games..that seems pretty relevant to me

u: "You also have to consider that Manning is a trust-guy. He wants guys who have precise timing and work 100% on every play. Moss has never been anything above pedestrian when it comes to route running, and his motivation has always been suspect. Since he's only really good for one route anymore, he would simply handicap the things Peyton likes to do out there after a few games. Manning would basically stop throwing to him."

me: this point starts out legitimate but then goes a little astray..i dont think you would say that moss would handicap the team when he would basically be the only player we have with his skill set..i would think he would open it up..he doesnt have 2 b in on every play..sure garcon is kind of like moss..but lets not kid ourselves..moss is 1 of the great ones..garcon is talented, however not a "great one"

u: "No he wouldn't. He's only ever made one Super Bowl, and he practically didn't show up. In today's league, a wide receiver will virtually never be an imperative reason to a team's ability to reach the Super Bowl."

me: Check wikipedia: "However, in Super Bowl XLII he scored the go ahead touchdown with 2:42 left in the fourth quarter on a 6 yard pass from Tom Brady." really he didnt show up?? what game did u watch?? the other statement i will not comment on because i can think of several teams that have exellent wr play whos team made the super bowl

u: "As to the highlights comment: That person was offering you a counter to your suggestion that Stokley hasn't done anything for a long time. They then gave you videos of last year's playoffs where Stokley performed well. Moss didn't do anything last year. Like, at all."

me: ok..stokley had some good play in the hawks great run last year..however, he still put upn 0 TD's for the regular season and remains unsigned by any team in the NFL..the second part we already covered: 5 TDs, 8 games

u: "So, if you are going to retort, do so in-context. Your suggestion that Stokley hasn't been relevant recently was flat-out wrong, and the proof is there."

me: proof??? where is your proof about moss??? u just made a bunch of opinionated comments that were very inaccurate..actually they were all inaccurate and to quote you..flat-out wrong!!

[everybodysgotone]

You also have to consider that Manning is a trust-guy. He wants guys who have precise timing and work 100% on every play. Moss has never been anything above pedestrian when it comes to route running, and his motivation has always been suspect. Since he's only really good for one route anymore, he would simply handicap the things Peyton likes to do out there after a few games. Manning would basically stop throwing to him.

Good summation.

[Gonzo]

No. He could barely even get on the field for the Titans last year. Let somebody desperate waste the cap space.

[Peytongirl]

Thank you Chad and Brent.

If Nicky had taken time to actually read my post, I clearly stated that if we were to add anyone for insurance (that meaning someone who would be on stand by behind all of our regular guys in that position)...I like the idea of Stokely because of his knowledge and chemistry with Peyton and because he has shown flashes of brilliance with both of the last teams he played with (despite having QBs that are not of Peyton's caliber).

I have nothing against Moss. But he has retired. He has never played with Peyton either and he did squat with the Titans last year.

Besides, people were talking about "daydreaming" and how there is no harm in that. One of my personal "daydreams" is to see Stokes in Colts blue one more time. Big deal.

So to Nicky - you might want to consider cooling your jets a bit because you come across very combative.

[colts89]

The only reason that Moss would EVER come back and EVEN to the colts, is only if we have a wr injured

Till then

Lock da thread!!!

[nicky6times]

Thank you Chad and Brent.

If Nicky had taken time to actually read my post, I clearly stated that if we were to add anyone for insurance (that meaning someone who would be on stand by behind all of our regular guys in that position)...I like the idea of Stokely because of his knowledge and chemistry with Peyton and because he has shown flashes of brilliance with both of the last teams he played with (despite having QBs that are not of Peyton's caliber).

I have nothing against Moss. But he has retired. He has never played with Peyton either and he did squat with the Titans last year.

Besides, people were talking about "daydreaming" and how there is no harm in that. One of my personal "daydreams" is to see Stokes in Colts blue one more time. Big deal.

So to Nicky - you might want to consider cooling your jets a bit because you come across very combative.

u seem to be calling me out alot to not be combativie..sorry if your taking my post the wrong way..

so you are trying to tell me we need insurance for a guy that would b the 5th rated slot recieveron on our team, correct?

that seems like a waste of cap over someone who would most likely start @ the 2nd spot IF he did come out of retirement..i dont think he will and even if he does i dont think the colts will sign him unless something happens to an elite reciever but even then its still kind of hard to imagine..i just think he gives us a better chance to win and every1 just likes to bash on moss..if you were a NE fan i bet yall would be talkin ocho up like crazy

and you said he has show flashes of brilliance..wow..u really are selling this hard..dude made 1 td last year on an uncovered route..moss WAS the definition of brilliance..and even Belichick stated that Moss "is the smartest receiver he's ever been around."[44] He compared Moss' ability to see the field and anticipate plays to that of Tom Brady, and to Lawrence Taylor who Belichick coached with the New York Giants. He said Moss not only knows what he's doing on a play, but what everybody else on the field is doing as well. "That's what makes them special. They just have a sixth, seventh sense," Belichick said."

i also think it is funny that i got a -2 on my post that was completely uncombative because you dont like my views..now i see why every1 tries 2 agree w u..

[Peytongirl]

To Nicky -

I don't think we need to sign anyone as it happens. But this is called a discussion. The topic at hand was "what if" we were to sign an additional WR.

You seem to be treating it like you HAVE to convince every person here to believe that Moss would be the greatest thing since sliced bread. You also react as if someone has an opinion that differs from yours then that person is just plain wrong. That is not a discussion.

I personally don't care what Belichick said about Moss. Fact of that matter is he cut him from his team, so I guess he didn't think as highly as he first said.

It is no diss on Moss at all. I like Randy. I always have and I think he is (was) an amazing player. But the fact remains that he is retired and the last team he played for he did very little...well, nothing really.

So I don't see him coming into Indy and being a star WR for numerous reasons.

I don't see Stokely doing it either. But if the team WERE to sign a FA or whatever reason, I think Stokely would fit the team/system better. That is simply my opinion. He is also not retired. ;)

Besides, if he caught one TD...if it were at a crucial moment (like last season), to win a crucial game (perhaps playoffs or SB if someone were injured), fine with me. I will take one shining moment.

[Peytongirl]

...

i also think it is funny that i got a -2 on my post that was completely uncombative because you dont like my views..now i see why every1 tries 2 agree w u..

I guess that goes to show that you don't get how the rep system works here.

A person can only vote ONCE (up or down) on your posts. No one can tell who has voted what. So apparently other posters disagree with your posts.

But I don't appreciate your absolutely false insinuation at all. :thdown:

[Peytongirl]

...enough said

Whatever...you read and quote only what you want to. You don't listen to the message as a whole.

That is not a discussion.

[nicky6times]

I guess that goes to show that you don't get how the rep system works here.

A person can only vote ONCE (up or down) on your posts. No one can tell who has voted what. So apparently other posters disagree with your posts.

But I don't appreciate your absolutely false insinuation at all. :thdown:

umm i know how the system works..nowhere did i say it was u or even think it was u..why are you so angry..i guess it is getting kind of late..

[indy_nick]

get em PG. . ur right this has become :offtopic: and is now a . hehe sorry had to try a few smileys out

[Peytongirl]

Nicky..I am not angry at all. I am just not sure how anyone is supposed to take what you said any other way.

[HitStick21]

I think it is about time to close this topic. I've come back day after day and it has gone from a fun, playful discussion to backhanded trolling of one another. If one of our WR's do go down, I could see him being signed. Until then, I do not believe he will be in a Colts uniform.

If we suffer a major injury then I do believe he comes. In that situation, I am all for it so count me in.

[Peytongirl]

get em PG. . ur right this has become :offtopic: and is now a . hehe sorry had to try a few smileys out

You are correct and my apologies.

I was trying to discuss the WR possibilities and got sidetracked. My bad. I am human, too.

I don't think we will ever see Moss in Colts blue, either. I don't know why he is still an issue anyway. Unless he UN-retires, he won't be in ANY uniform.

I am happy with the WR group we have and I am hoping the all remain healthy this season so that there will be no need for any FA discussions.

[colts89]

ok so you would rather have a washed up slot reciever who had 0!!! touchdowns last year rather than randy moss..wow

so would you want to start him over collie or gonzo or white or clark who all play the slot for us???

yeah stokley WAS pretty good in denver..didnt he have 23 TDs there one year?? oh no, i 4got..that was MOSS!!!

since you want to be like John Lennon and imagine, then imagine what moss would be with a good QB again..unless we build a time machine and travel back to 2006 when stokley had his best year..then we would grab stokley again..oh, or we could trade a 5th round draft pick for Moss and have him go on to score 23 TDs the next year!!!!

"all we are saying is give "the freak" a chance"

That's all nice and dandy but I seem to remember we have a great receiving corps right now

End of the day, we don't need him and the only reason y we would get him is if one of our WR got hurt, which could happen so you can hold on to that. And PG always liked Stokley so don't go all offensive on her, it's an opinion because for all that we know maybe Moss is truly DONE in the NFL

[Gunsdontkill_Bullitdoes]

Moss would give Manning a big threatening receiver.... You put Reggie on one side and Moss on the other, it would terrifying, especially with all the other weapons in-between those two. By having Moss, 11 defenders are just not enough to cover our receivers with the # 1 QB throwing to them

[colts89]

Moss would give Manning a big threatening receiver.... You put Reggie on one side and Moss on the other, it would terrifying, especially with all the other weapons in-between those two. By having Moss, 11 defenders are just not enough to cover our receivers with the # 1 QB throwing to them

Sounds great, but he retired so emmm...

Well back to the old grind

[Peytongirl]

Indeed. :thmsup:

[Zebra3]

Moss is retired, so until the time comes that something changes that I think this thread has run its course.