Jim Irsay says,"Why do some of u guys want us 2 sign Moss? We got Reggie,Gonzo,Austin,Pierre?"

[il vecchio]

By that logic we should also have signed Braylon Edwards, Sidney Rice, and Plaxico Burress and making other teams gameplann for Wayne, Moss, Collie, Garcon, Clark, Edwards, Rice, and Burress.

You can only put so many guys out there at once. The money we'd spend on Moss would be better spent elsewhere.

(My emphasis) Agree completely.

Moss is an undeniable talent, but we have a very sound group of receivers. Let's address more pressing needs with the limited dollars for players.

[Razgriz18]

IF WE CAN START RUNNING THE BALL AS EFFECTIVE AS WE DID WHEN WE HAD E.J. , PIERRE GARCON WILL LOOK LIKE RANDY MOSS WITH THE SLIGHT EXCEPTION OF A FEW DROPS HERE AND THERE. we can't forget, these guys are facing cover 2 schemes alll game so everything has to be done underneath with perfect throws from peyton.

Bam... Hit the nail on the head. Get a bit of a running game, Garcon and Wayne will rock. More than they already do...

[indy_nick]

yeah thats the reason why ppl want randy moss..it has nothing to do w hes a h.o.f. player and is ranked #2 behind jerry rice for most of the major statistical catagories

..its just that we dont know no better..her her

Lets bring in Brett Favre by that logic then...he's ranked #1 in every statistical category! Please we are stacked at WR and no deep threat?! Peyton will turn any receiver into a deep threat! It just takes one wrong read by a safety or CB and it's over. Peyton will take what the defense gives him always. He won't try and chuck the ball up to Moss in jump ball situations if he is covered. Peyton gets his yards by calling the right play and having his receivers be good route runners. If that is done, every single receiver can be a deep threat at any time (Tamme is a prime example)

[indy_nick]

IF WE CAN START RUNNING THE BALL AS EFFECTIVE AS WE DID WHEN WE HAD E.J. , PIERRE GARCON WILL LOOK LIKE RANDY MOSS WITH THE SLIGHT EXCEPTION OF A FEW DROPS HERE AND THERE. we can't forget, these guys are facing cover 2 schemes alll game so everything has to be done underneath with perfect throws from peyton.

Agreed if we run the ball more, it will set up play action, which will give Collie, Clark, Tamme or whoever goes over the middle potential one and one matchups deep in the secondary. The get here is the O-Line, not bringing in Moss.

[John Waylon]

We don't need Moss, no.

But it's also never a bad thing for us to add something else to our passing game that can only make it better, either.

[LUVTHESHOE]

hey did u guys see, this guy wants brett favre on the colts!!! man, what is he thinkin???

i believe or shall i say hope that was sarcasm,to say the least!

[indy_nick]

Gotta love taking things out of context...why not quote my whole post and not the few words that you want to.... you said""yeah thats the reason why ppl want randy moss..it has nothing to do w hes a h.o.f. player and is ranked #2 behind jerry rice for most of the major statistical catagories

..its just that we dont know no better..her her"

And I said:

"Lets bring in Brett Favre by that logic then...he's ranked #1 in every statistical category! Please we are stacked at WR and no deep threat?! Peyton will turn any receiver into a deep threat! It just takes one wrong read by a safety or CB and it's over. Peyton will take what the defense gives him always. He won't try and chuck the ball up to Moss in jump ball situations if he is covered. Peyton gets his yards by calling the right play and having his receivers be good route runners. If that is done, every single receiver can be a deep threat at any time (Tamme is a prime example)"

Stop taking my words out of context!

[JaseAiden23]

Lets bring in Brett Favre by that logic then...he's ranked #1 in every statistical category! Please we are stacked at WR and no deep threat?! Peyton will turn any receiver into a deep threat! It just takes one wrong read by a safety or CB and it's over. Peyton will take what the defense gives him always. He won't try and chuck the ball up to Moss in jump ball situations if he is covered. Peyton gets his yards by calling the right play and having his receivers be good route runners. If that is done, every single receiver can be a deep threat at any time (Tamme is a prime example)

I didnt know Peyton runs the routes too. So we can just throw any WR out there and Peyton can lead him open?? It takes a lil bit more than that. Just ask Collie, I think Peyton led him into a few bad situations. To me we only have 1 true burner and thats Garcon, all the others are possession receivers.

[nicky6times]

Dude, I laughed hysterically for like 2 minutes straight after a read that! Frickin' hilarious! I'd say he puts the twit it twitter, rather than the wit in twitter, though.

dude..they deleted that post..said i was "spreading rumors" hahaha..does any1 really believe that?

[BIGugly]

Well I heard no one signed Marvin Harrison yet.....

[John Waylon]

Well I heard no one signed Marvin Harrison yet.....

Most likely out of fear of being gunned down.

[doogansquest]

We don't need Moss, no.

But it's also never a bad thing for us to add something else to our passing game that can only make it better, either.

But it wouldn't make it better. The Patriots passing game improved after he left. Moss limits what one half of the offense can do. The more film on him teams have as the season drags on, the less relevant he becomes. He's not going to slip or trick anyone with great route running, and he gets de-motivated pretty fast against top-tier corners.

[JaseAiden23]

Well I heard no one signed Marvin Harrison yet.....

He is to busy cleaning his gun lol

[ColtofBlue]

I didnt know Peyton runs the routes too. So we can just throw any WR out there and Peyton can lead him open?? It takes a lil bit more than that. Just ask Collie, I think Peyton led him into a few bad situations. To me we only have 1 true burner and thats Garcon, all the others are possession receivers.

Of course they are rookies, but Horn and Gilreath are faster than Garcon - Horn torched someone (Lacey, I think) a couple days ago on a fly and caught the ball about 4 yards behind him. It was so bad, Gonzo was teasing the DB for getting burned by a rookie. Gilreath is getting some rave reviews for his return efforts and looked solid during the Wednesday PM practice.

As others have pointed out, our receiver corps is fine - spend money on safetys, DTs, and other defenders - not end-of-career divas who just want to recapture their lost glory.

[Peyton>brady]

Lets bring in Brett Favre by that logic then...he's ranked #1 in every statistical category! Please we are stacked at WR and no deep threat?! Peyton will turn any receiver into a deep threat! It just takes one wrong read by a safety or CB and it's over. Peyton will take what the defense gives him always. He won't try and chuck the ball up to Moss in jump ball situations if he is covered. Peyton gets his yards by calling the right play and having his receivers be good route runners. If that is done, every single receiver can be a deep threat at any time (Tamme is a prime example)

Tamme has always been an excellent player. I still remember when people was putting him down,

[Bethea41]

moss would be a great redzone target. id rather have moss over gonzo anyday. actually id rather have blair white over gonzo.

[Warhawk]

moss would be a great redzone target. id rather have moss over gonzo anyday. actually id rather have blair white over gonzo.

And I'd rather have Gonzo than just about any other WR in the NFL who is currently 4th on his team's WR depth chart.

[BobbyMorris94]

Alright Irsay. Die hard fan here since 93, and I was only 9 at the time. Reggie is getting older and is no longer the deep threat he once was. The Jets game proved as much. Gonzo is as fragile as they come at the WR spot. Believing this guy can still contribute is a mistake. We should have kept Bob Sanders if we are counting on Gonzo. At least Bob Sanders literally won us a title. Gonzo has proved to be just as fragile, but is nowhere near the difference maker Bob was. Austin is freaking amazing I agree, but teams were head hunting him last year. When he went out, our passing game was terrible, even with Manning. Sure Clark being out didn't help, but we haven't had a great 1 and 2 since Wayne and Harrison. Pierre Garcon does not have great hands and is as inconsistent as they come. Sure he is a great luxury to have on your team with his deep threat ability, but not the guy you want at #2.

The reason we want Moss is because we never replaced Harrison. Sure HOF WRs don't grown on trees, but we haven't had an adequate 1 and 2 threat since Marvin got hurt. All of our WRs are undersized. We have no 6'5 beast to go to in the goal line. Manning never has. The reason we need a guy like Moss is for red zone passing. Manning may be the best red zone passer ever, but we have never gave him any help there. It would be much easier if he had a few targets that could actually go up and get a ball. I see QBs for other teams utilize this effectively in the goal line all the time. It's the easiest way for them to score. Manning could be deadly with a threat like that, but he has never had a legit WR over 6 foot.

Moss is the only guy that we could possibly get that could give us that presence this year, other than a new look James Hardy, though he hasn't been any good in Buffalo, but they have the worst passing game ever. Sure he may bust and we cut him, but if he keeps his head straight he could be an excellent stop gap for 2 years, we win 2 titles, he retires on top, and all parties come out smelling like Roses. It's worth the chance I think. It shows we are legit about getting more titles, even if it doesn't pan out. Low risk, high reward. It's not like the guy is demanding 20 million. 3 million loaded however to minimize the cap hit is a bargain on a move that could help Manning take back the touchdown record, the right way. Not in trash time like Brady had to do it.

[Coltsman1788]

I think he is right, we have dinamite receivers. And a guy like moss really isnt a need and not worth the risk or the money even if its just the vet min.

Well we had all those dynamite recievers to start last year and what happened? Gonzo got hurt again, Collie became a walking concussion waiting to happen, Pierre was inconsistent and Wayne started showing his age a bit. By season's end those "dynamite recievers" got real thin in a hurry. Signing another threat (not necessarily Moss) wouldn't be that bad of an idea. I mean who honestly feels confident that Gonzo can stay healthy for any significant amount of time? That kid is liable to injure himself just steppin on the field. :rolleyes:

[Warhawk]

Alright Irsay. Die hard fan here since 93, and I was only 9 at the time. Reggie is getting older and is no longer the deep threat he once was. The Jets game proved as much.

Moss is older than Reggie.

The reason we want Moss is because we never replaced Harrison. Sure HOF WRs don't grown on trees, but we haven't had an adequate 1 and 2 threat since Marvin got hurt. All of our WRs are undersized. We have no 6'5 beast to go to in the goal line. Manning never has. The reason we need a guy like Moss is for red zone passing. Manning may be the best red zone passer ever, but we have never gave him any help there. It would be much easier if he had a few targets that could actually go up and get a ball. I see QBs for other teams utilize this effectively in the goal line all the time. It's the easiest way for them to score. Manning could be deadly with a threat like that, but he has never had a legit WR over 6 foot.

First, Collie, Garcon, and Gonzalez are all 6 feet tall, the same height as Harrison (and they all weigh more than Harrison did, by the way). Second, Collie was leading the NFL in a bunch of passing categories before he got hurt last season, so I would call him "adequate", and I'd probably call Garcon at least "adequate" as well. And Garcon does one thing much, much better than Harrison ever did, which is run after the catch. Plus, signing Randy Moss just for goal-line situations is probably a waste of money, and Moss wouldn't exactly appreciate it either. Additionally, in the first paragraph, you said we need Moss because we need a deep threat. And here you're saying it's because we need a short yardage goal-line guy.

Moss is the only guy that we could possibly get that could give us that presence this year, other than a new look James Hardy, though he hasn't been any good in Buffalo, but they have the worst passing game ever. Sure he may bust and we cut him, but if he keeps his head straight he could be an excellent stop gap for 2 years, we win 2 titles, he retires on top, and all parties come out smelling like Roses. It's worth the chance I think. It shows we are legit about getting more titles, even if it doesn't pan out. Low risk, high reward. It's not like the guy is demanding 20 million. 3 million loaded however to minimize the cap hit is a bargain on a move that could help Manning take back the touchdown record, the right way. Not in trash time like Brady had to do it.

We have talented young receivers, we don't need a "stop gap". Because of the talent and depth the Colts have at WR, Moss would certainly not be the difference-maker in whether they win a championship. The only position you can legitimately say the Colts are better at is QB, and they're certainly not deeper at QB. Plus, Dallas Clark is arguably the best receiving TE in the NFL, and Joseph Addai is one of the better receiving RBs in the NFL (and arguably the best non-receiving-specialist RBs in the NFL, as in he's the starter and he's a good receiver).

The money that could be spent on Moss is better spent elsewhere, even if that elsewhere is just depth at DB or LB, for instance. The Colts need another WR right now like the Phillies need a starting pitcher, like the Heat need more ego, like Andy Schleck needs another second place finish in the TdF, and like I need a hole in the head.

[Warhawk]

Well we had all those dynamite recievers to start last year and what happened? Gonzo got hurt again, Collie became a walking concussion waiting to happen, Pierre was inconsistent and Wayne started showing his age a bit. By season's end those "dynamite recievers" got real thin in a hurry. Signing another threat (not necessarily Moss) wouldn't be that bad of an idea. I mean who honestly feels confident that Gonzo can stay healthy for any significant amount of time? That kid is liable to injure himself just steppin on the field. :rolleyes:

You can't build a roster assuming that 3 or 4 guys at a position (if you include Clark) are going to get hurt. Sure, Gonzo is fragile, but he's the #4 right now, and Blair White is quite capable of being a #4 WR. You can't just write Collie off, and Collie was having an all-pro year before he got hurt. Garcon can lose focus occasionally, but everyone around here sells him way, way, way too short.

You only get 53 players on the active roster - there is such a thing as too much depth. It would be detrimental to the team to lose backups at, for instance, linebacker or in the secondary, just because you're making the assumption that we're going to end up with the top 4 WRs, top 3 TEs, and top 3 RBs on the injury report again (which I'm pretty sure happened at least once last season).

[Peyton>brady]

And Garcon does one thing much, much better than Harrison ever did, which is run after the catch.

Wait, you said what ? That would seem to be an opinion since Garcon will probably never have as many catches as 88.

[Coltsman1788]

Since Harrison's injury the Colts offense has gone from proliffic to good. There are several offenses that have surpassed our unit in today's NFL. (Saints, Chargers, Pats, Packers to name a few.) Defenses are able to better contain the Colts offense these days. The Colts will still score but it is much easier to keep them in check and limit their big plays. The truth is there is no consistent big play threat on this team anymore. If you all are fine with that then we don't need anymore weapons on O. I want to be proliffic again. Excess is what separates the elite from the good. Not saying that Randy is the answer either but it would be nice to add another big play weapon at wideout for Peyton to play with before he sets sail for the sunset.

[Warhawk]

Wait, you said what ? That would seem to be an opinion since Garcon will probably never have as many catches as 88.

What does number of catches have to do with running after the catch? Garcon has a significantly higher YAC average than Harrison did. In fact, Harrison only averaged >4 YAC over the course of a season once. Garcon averages 4.9 for his career.

[BobbyMorris94]

Moss is older than Reggie.

First, Collie, Garcon, and Gonzalez are all 6 feet tall, the same height as Harrison (and they all weigh more than Harrison did, by the way). Second, Collie was leading the NFL in a bunch of passing categories before he got hurt last season, so I would call him "adequate", and I'd probably call Garcon at least "adequate" as well. And Garcon does one thing much, much better than Harrison ever did, which is run after the catch. Plus, signing Randy Moss just for goal-line situations is probably a waste of money, and Moss wouldn't exactly appreciate it either. Additionally, in the first paragraph, you said we need Moss because we need a deep threat. And here you're saying it's because we need a short yardage goal-line guy.

We have talented young receivers, we don't need a "stop gap". Because of the talent and depth the Colts have at WR, Moss would certainly not be the difference-maker in whether they win a championship. The only position you can legitimately say the Colts are better at is QB, and they're certainly not deeper at QB. Plus, Dallas Clark is arguably the best receiving TE in the NFL, and Joseph Addai is one of the better receiving RBs in the NFL (and arguably the best non-receiving-specialist RBs in the NFL, as in he's the starter and he's a good receiver).

The money that could be spent on Moss is better spent elsewhere, even if that elsewhere is just depth at DB or LB, for instance. The Colts need another WR right now like the Phillies need a starting pitcher, like the Heat need more ego, like Andy Schleck needs another second place finish in the TdF, and like I need a hole in the head.

My point is that Manning has never had an able receiver taller than 6 foot and you proved my point. Some of those red zone field goals could have been touchdowns with a legit red zone target. Sure, maybe Moss isn't the answer and a stop gap isn't what we need. That still doesn't mean we shouldn't add a couple red zone targets in the mix. Outside of Dallas Clark, which I agree he is the best receiving tight end, we have no receiving target taller than 6 foot. It would be nice to have a James Hardy on this team for red zone passing. I always see other teams exploit our small corners. But we never do the same. We only acquire WRs that are the same size as most corner backs. Manning could get an able 6'5 guy with leaping ability the ball better than he could a 6 foot guy when the field is shortened.

We never have a height advantage. Always the exploited never the exploiter.

[Coltsman1788]

You can't build a roster assuming that 3 or 4 guys at a position (if you include Clark) are going to get hurt. Sure, Gonzo is fragile, but he's the #4 right now, and Blair White is quite capable of being a #4 WR. You can't just write Collie off, and Collie was having an all-pro year before he got hurt. Garcon can lose focus occasionally, but everyone around here sells him way, way, way too short.

You only get 53 players on the active roster - there is such a thing as too much depth. It would be detrimental to the team to lose backups at, for instance, linebacker or in the secondary, just because you're making the assumption that we're going to end up with the top 4 WRs, top 3 TEs, and top 3 RBs on the injury report again (which I'm pretty sure happened at least once last season).

I hear you to a certain extent. Though if it was up to me (which it isn't) I'd cut Gonzo and use HIS slot to try to upgrade our wideout stable. The depth at the other positions wouldn't necessarily have to suffer at all.

[Warhawk]

Since Harrison's injury the Colts offense has gone from proliffic to good. There are several offenses that have surpassed our unit in today's NFL. (Saints, Chargers, Pats, Packers to name a few.) Defenses are able to better contain the Colts offense these days. The Colts will still score but it is much easier to keep them in check and limit their big plays. The truth is there is no consistent big play threat on this team anymore. If you all are fine with that then we don't need anymore weapons on O. I want to be proliffic again. Excess is what separates the elite from the good. Not saying that Randy is the answer either but it would be nice to add another big play weapon at wideout for Peyton to play with before he sets sail for the sunset.

The idea that the Colts have no weapons on offense is absurd.

[nicky6times]

Alright Irsay. Die hard fan here since 93, and I was only 9 at the time. Reggie is getting older and is no longer the deep threat he once was. The Jets game proved as much. Gonzo is as fragile as they come at the WR spot. Believing this guy can still contribute is a mistake. We should have kept Bob Sanders if we are counting on Gonzo. At least Bob Sanders literally won us a title. Gonzo has proved to be just as fragile, but is nowhere near the difference maker Bob was. Austin is freaking amazing I agree, but teams were head hunting him last year. When he went out, our passing game was terrible, even with Manning. Sure Clark being out didn't help, but we haven't had a great 1 and 2 since Wayne and Harrison. Pierre Garcon does not have great hands and is as inconsistent as they come. Sure he is a great luxury to have on your team with his deep threat ability, but not the guy you want at #2.

The reason we want Moss is because we never replaced Harrison. Sure HOF WRs don't grown on trees, but we haven't had an adequate 1 and 2 threat since Marvin got hurt. All of our WRs are undersized. We have no 6'5 beast to go to in the goal line. Manning never has. The reason we need a guy like Moss is for red zone passing. Manning may be the best red zone passer ever, but we have never gave him any help there. It would be much easier if he had a few targets that could actually go up and get a ball. I see QBs for other teams utilize this effectively in the goal line all the time. It's the easiest way for them to score. Manning could be deadly with a threat like that, but he has never had a legit WR over 6 foot.

Moss is the only guy that we could possibly get that could give us that presence this year, other than a new look James Hardy, though he hasn't been any good in Buffalo, but they have the worst passing game ever. Sure he may bust and we cut him, but if he keeps his head straight he could be an excellent stop gap for 2 years, we win 2 titles, he retires on top, and all parties come out smelling like Roses. It's worth the chance I think. It shows we are legit about getting more titles, even if it doesn't pan out. Low risk, high reward. It's not like the guy is demanding 20 million. 3 million loaded however to minimize the cap hit is a bargain on a move that could help Manning take back the touchdown record, the right way. Not in trash time like Brady had to do it.

Great Post!!

best ive read yet on the subject..all points valid..u get an A+ and a

[Warhawk]

I hear you to a certain extent. Though if it was up to me (which it isn't) I'd cut Gonzo and use HIS slot to try to upgrade our wideout stable. The depth at the other positions wouldn't necessarily have to suffer at all.

I realize that he's injury prone (and he's the only one of them who I'll admit is injury prone, everyone here is overreacting to an unlucky year in saying that Clark, Collie, Garcon, etc. are injury prone), but he was very good when he was healthy. I'd want to give him another year. Worst case scenario, he gets hurt again and Blair White is the 4th WR on the depth chart. Personally, I think that's a nice problem to have.

[Coltsman1788]

The idea that the Colts have no weapons on offense is absurd.

Where did I say that? They have enough weapons to be considered one of the league's good offenses. However, we used to be the elite offense. I am just pointing out that we are no longer that right now.

[Peyton>brady]

What does number of catches have to do with running after the catch? Garcon has a significantly higher YAC average than Harrison did. In fact, Harrison only averaged >4 YAC over the course of a season once. Garcon averages 4.9 for his career.

I'll let you mull that one over

[Coltsman1788]

I realize that he's injury prone (and he's the only one of them who I'll admit is injury prone, everyone here is overreacting to an unlucky year in saying that Clark, Collie, Garcon, etc. are injury prone), but he was very good when he was healthy. I'd want to give him another year. Worst case scenario, he gets hurt again and Blair White is the 4th WR on the depth chart. Personally, I think that's a nice problem to have.

I agree in terms of Clark, Pierre & Wayne not being injury prone which is why I didn't describe them as such. Gonzo definitely has an injury history though as you acknowledge. I love Collie and think he is a beast, but not sure if he will be able to take a big hit the same again. I was terrified for him last year after he came back. Was there in person to see him take it to the Jags only to get laid out again and lie there motionless. Scary as heck. I hope he can put it behind him but concussions are nothing to take lightly and have a tendency to reoccur more often than not. So that is my only hesitation with Collie. Love him as a receiver, as a player he's on point but I just don't think you can rely on him to be there over the long haul. Hope I'm wrong.

[Warhawk]

I'll let you mull that one over

..........

His sample size is quite sufficient to make a comparison. Garcon is statistically better at running after the catch. What argument can you make that Harrison was better at running after the catch than Garcon?

I mean, have you watched them play? Do you people really hate Pierre Garcon so much that you're incapable of admitting he's better at running after the catch than Marvin Harrison was, even though I have no problem saying that Harrison had better hands and was far more productive?

[Hammer]

@JimIrsay (TWITTER

Jim Irsay

Why do some of u guys want us 2 sign Moss? We got Reggie,Gonzo,Austin,Pierre?

My link

also more recent he says" Is Randy Moss really at St. Elmos 2nite? I know nothing of this,but Indy IS quite nice in August-Talked 2 M Faulk 2day,he's firedup4saturday"

i guess we not getting him

Here's your answer Jimmy!.....Because Reggie, Gonzo, Austin, and Pierre are slow.

[BobbyMorris94]

Also to answer another point, we either need a legit deep threat like Marvin, or a red zone guy. We have neither unless Garcon makes me eat my words this year. I really hope he does. Randy is a hybrid of both. I guess this isn't fairy tale land and it may be impossible to keep him happy and give us 100 percent every time he is on the field. Hence why I would give up a 4th rounder for the "bust" James Hardy this instant. He is a deep threat and has the size, and I believe is being vastly underutilized by Buffalo. I can't name a year where one of our receiving threats didn't get injured at least for a few games. If Painter was throwing these guys the ball, they wouldn't be thought of nearly as high. That's the luxury of having a first ballot HOF Qb. Manning's talent greatly out shadows the talent of the receivers around him if you exclude Wayne, Collie, and Clark. And no one knows how great those guys would be with a bad or average Qb. While Addai is a great receiving back, he doesn't have receiver hands. You couldn't trust him catching deep balls. I wish we could have closed the talent gap at least just a little, and added an adequate red zone play maker.

[Peyton>brady]

..........

His sample size is quite sufficient to make a comparison. Garcon is statistically better at running after the catch. What argument can you make that Harrison was better at running after the catch than Garcon?

I mean, have you watched them play? Do you people really hate Pierre Garcon so much that you're incapable of admitting he's better at running after the catch than Marvin Harrison was, even though I have no problem saying that Harrison had better hands and was far more productive?

Look i'm glad Garcon is on our team! He can be alot better than Marvin if he wants to be and doesn't let his ego get in the way (not doing so well with that).

He has a long way to go though. As far as watching them play? Really

My favorite YAC from 88 was against Denver, remember it :bash:

[ruksak]

The idea that the Colts have no weapons on offense is absurd.

That is not at all what Coltsman1788 said.

BobbyMorris94 Wrote:

The reason we want Moss is because we never replaced Harrison. Sure HOF WRs don't grown on trees, but we haven't had an adequate 1 and 2 threat since Marvin got hurt. All of our WRs are undersized. We have no 6'5 beast to go to in the goal line. Manning never has. The reason we need a guy like Moss is for red zone passing. Manning may be the best red zone passer ever, but we have never gave him any help there. It would be much easier if he had a few targets that could actually go up and get a ball. I see QBs for other teams utilize this effectively in the goal line all the time. It's the easiest way for them to score. Manning could be deadly with a threat like that, but he has never had a legit WR over 6 foot.

Moss is the only guy that we could possibly get that could give us that presence this year, other than a new look James Hardy, though he hasn't been any good in Buffalo, but they have the worst passing game ever. Sure he may bust and we cut him, but if he keeps his head straight he could be an excellent stop gap for 2 years, we win 2 titles, he retires on top, and all parties come out smelling like Roses. It's worth the chance I think. It shows we are legit about getting more titles, even if it doesn't pan out. Low risk, high reward. It's not like the guy is demanding 20 million. 3 million loaded however to minimize the cap hit is a bargain on a move that could help Manning take back the touchdown record, the right way. Not in trash time like Brady had to do it.

There is much truth to this. I think some Moss haters are going to be confused and miss the point you're trying to make because you're using Moss specifically as an example. There is a world of difference brought to the redzone passing game when you're target has the "wingspan", or range, that you get from a 6'4+ leaper. It changes the dynamic between QB and receiver dramatically. Most CB's are sub 6 feet and straight out we have NOBODY, in terms of receivers, that can body out a CB. Even our TE's are small by TE standards.

[Coltsman1788]

..........

His sample size is quite sufficient to make a comparison. Garcon is statistically better at running after the catch. What argument can you make that Harrison was better at running after the catch than Garcon?

I mean, have you watched them play? Do you people really hate Pierre Garcon so much that you're incapable of admitting he's better at running after the catch than Marvin Harrison was, even though I have no problem saying that Harrison had better hands and was far more productive?

Marvin in his heyday would take it to the house if he caught the ball behind the defense. While Garcon has the best after the catch running ability of any current Colt player, I can't say that he was faster than Marvin in his hey day. However, I feel that Garcon's running style is much more physical and aggressive after the catch. Combined with his speed it makes for quite a show indeed at times.

[Peyton>brady]

My Favorite YAC!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C67pGdr4v0g

[Warhawk]

Marvin in his heyday would take it to the house if he caught the ball behind the defense. While Garcon has the best after the catch running ability of any current Colt player, I can't say that he was faster than Marvin in his hey day. However, I feel that Garcon's running style is much more physical and aggressive after the catch. Combined with his speed it makes for quite a show indeed at times.

Again, Marvin only once averaged more than 4 YAC in his career (4.4 back in 01-02). Garcon's is 4.9 for his career. The fact is, Garcon's career average for YAC is better than any single year of Marvin's, and at least 1 yard per catch better than any single year of Marvin's but 1.