Pats trade for Dwayne Allen [Merge]

[BOTT]

Well done Ballard. I didn't think the colts could get a bucket let of chicken for DA.  

[Luck 4 president]

Is $3 million all we save even though his contract was 8 million per year? I was happy when I thought we got a 4th and a 6th then I saw we were giving up a 6th and only saving $3 mil. 

[Jules]

The 4th and 1 in London will never leave my memory bank.

 

 

[Yoshinator]

Just now, Luck 4 president said:

Is $3 million all we save even though his contract was 8 million per year? I was happy when I thought we got a 4th and a 6th then I saw we were giving up a 6th and only saving $3 mil. 

I read somewhere that we save $4.9 mill, but it was an unnamed source, so I'm not sure if it's correct or not.

[Horse Shoe Heaven]

2 minutes ago, Jared Cisneros said:

Don't think George Clooney could do that to our tackles lol!

% that guy can do everything!! LOL

[Jules]

Just hope this don't haunt us somehow and Allen catches like the game winning TD in the next SB or something.

 

But, chances are the Pats are interested in his blocking and not his epic stone hands.

[Luck 4 president]

Just now, Jared Cisneros said:

I read somewhere that we save $4.9 mill, but it was an unnamed source, so I'm not sure if it's correct or not.

ESPN said 2.9 million is what we will save

[Yoshinator]

Just now, Luck 4 president said:

ESPN said 2.9 million is what we will save

That's unfortunate, but I trust ESPN more, so it's probably right. Appreciate it!

[bananabucket]

2 hours ago, FL Colts Fan said:

I hope we get at least a 3rd rounder. Anything more is icing on the cake. I'm afraid Belichick might have fleeced us. I hope Ballard showed strength and didn't melt under the pressure.

 Some people just have no clue.

[BOTT]

8 minutes ago, Coltsman1788 said:

I'm fine with trading Allen.

 

Strangely, Ballard also giving up our 6th round pick in the deal is whats irking me.

 

I like Ballard and believe he certainly knows what he is doing, so I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on this.  Still I'm just not understanding the logic of why the 6th round pick was included. 

 Not much difference between a 6th and UDFA.

[BR-549]

1 hour ago, chrisfarley said:

they (NE) moved up 15 spots on their 6th, we moved 15 down.

 

So we give NE D-Allen and our sixth round pick..... in return we get their fourth (compensatory) round pick.

 

This thread is moving too fast for me to keep up tonight and....

 

I have never really gotten into the draft process enough to understand all of the nuances and lingo..... I apologize if this has been addressed already......  

 

Will someone please explain the compensatory pick thing for me. The actual draft slots do not appear to be that far off from one of our 4th round picks from what I have seen [from another member's post].  I guess maybe that is why I am confused.  Plus I am a couple of beers into it now, ..... whew, lol

 

Thanks for tolerating my ignorance..... avatar is fitting for tonight I reckon.

[Jules]

I have to stop, since I could literally talk for hours or days on end about how much Dwayne Allen irritated the hell out of me. I even remember when he was drafted and we all ohhh and ahhhed over his size and potential.

 

He also seems to get hurt an awful lot. He has stone hands and he is made of glass.

 

Our new GM is already better then the old one.

 

Even if he does well in NE don't matter, he didn't do enough here to warrant 100 dollars a year.

[chrisfarley]

1 minute ago, BR-549 said:

 

So we give NE D-Allen and our sixth round pick..... in return we get their fourth (compensatory) round pick.

 

This thread is moving too fast for me to keep up tonight and....

 

I have never really gotten into the draft process enough to understand all of the nuances and lingo..... I apologize if this has been addressed already......  

 

Will someone please explain the compensatory pick thing for me. The actual draft slots do not appear to be that far off from one of our 4th round picks from what I have seen [from another member's post].  I guess maybe that is why I am confused.  Plus I am a couple of beers into it now, ..... whew, lol

 

Thanks for tolerating my ignorance..... avatar is fitting for tonight I reckon.

wasn't their compensatory, it was their inherent 4th rounder, which is a low-4 (high-5-like pick). we already had a compensatory.

[Yoshinator]

1 minute ago, BOTT said:

 Not much difference between a 6th and UDFA.

I actually disagree with this. If every pick went exactly according to ranks, then yes, that would be true. The fact is though, some 5th round picks and maybe even a couple 4th rounders are going to fall to the 6th. Big difference between that and a UDFA.

[azcolt]

A bag of used balls for an overweight TE with stone hands would have been adequate compensation. Great trade.

[Jules]

Chances are the Pats also want him to get all our secrets too so they can finally beat us in a big game.

 

Yes that is sarcasm.

 

I wouldn't get too excited over this, most Pats fans laughed at the money we gave Allen too. This is probably one of those project gambles by the Pats and if it don't work out they will just cut him later.

 

Good riddance to the Stoney one.

[Ehrman.Dutton.Cook.Barnes]

Good for both teams now that Grigson isn't involved in the draft. Taking bets, Bellichik will get more out of a healthy DA than Pagano ever could.  No surprise if he makes the All-Star team.

[Jules]

1 minute ago, azcolt said:

A bag of used balls for an overweight TE with stone hands would have been adequate compensation. Great trade.

 

I would take a bag of deflated balls even in exchange. Plus one of the guns from Hernandez since it is historical now.

[Coltsman1788]

7 minutes ago, BOTT said:

 Not much difference between a 6th and UDFA.

True...but why give up more than we really have to here?  IMO...Allen for the fourth should have been enough. Our 6th rounder was worth enough for Belichick to care to pry it from us. 

[dgambill]

19 minutes ago, Horse Shoe Heaven said:

And we will miss hes blocking and hopefully Luck wont be pummeled more than he already is!

You mean like on this play??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgT_HrRSrQs

Allen giving up a strip sack of Luck....I know he wasn't awful but he wasn't Travis Kelce either...was entirely avg.

[cbear]

So, did we swap 6th round picks or just gave them ours?  I am still hearing both in scanning the internet.  If we did just give up our sixth, we gave up DA to move up about a dozen spots?  I know we saved 3 mill or so, but this bugs me a bit.  

 

Edit: ok bad math.  We moved up a round and a half.

[backshoulderfade]

13 minutes ago, Jules said:

The 4th and 1 in London will never leave my memory bank.

 

 

The only Colts game i've attended thus far!

[Yoshinator]

1 minute ago, Jules said:

 

I would take a bag of deflated balls even in exchange. Plus one of the guns from Hernandez since it is historical now.

Also, Brady's SB jersey. It's worth $500,000. We can sell it back to Kraft and gain some extra cap space.

[aaron11]

1 minute ago, Coltsman1788 said:

True...but why give up more than we really have to here?  IMO...Allen for the fourth should have been enough. Our 6th rounder was worth enough for Belichick to care to pry it from us. 

when is the last time a 6th rounder has worked out for the colts?

 

seriously i cant remember

[BOTT]

1 minute ago, Coltsman1788 said:

True...but why give up more than we really have to here?  IMO...Allen for the fourth should have been enough. Our 6th rounder was worth enough for Belichick to care to pry it from us. 

Honestly, I'm stunned they got a 4th.  I figured it would be a 6 or 7.

[nerukamo]

1 minute ago, dgambill said:

You mean like on this play??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgT_HrRSrQs

Allen giving up a strip sack of Luck....I know he wasn't awful but he wasn't Travis Kelce either...was entirely avg.

 

that is a te going up against clowney, who did the same thing to tackles throughout the league... allen was meant for helping block, not all by himself.

[dgambill]

4 minutes ago, Jules said:

 

I would take a bag of deflated balls even in exchange. Plus one of the guns from Hernandez since it is historical now.

Marvin probably already has that gun....the balls it is.

[dgambill]

1 minute ago, nerukamo said:

that is a te going up against clowney, who did the same thing to tackles throughout the league... allen was meant for helping block, not all by himself.

It was a joke...I know he shouldn't have been blocking him but lets not act like his blocking was out of this world....hardly irreplaceable.

[Horse Shoe Heaven]

3 minutes ago, dgambill said:

You mean like on this play??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgT_HrRSrQs

Allen giving up a strip sack of Luck....I know he wasn't awful but he wasn't Travis Kelce either...was entirely avg.

1 play dude

[soccer_focker11]

I'm about 90% sure, this 4th round pick is more ammunition to jump up to the #9 spot. Ballard must have his eyes set on someone!! Reuben Foster??

[BR-549]

10 minutes ago, chrisfarley said:

wasn't their compensatory, it was their inherent 4th rounder, which is a low-4 (high-5-like pick). we already had a compensatory.

Okay, well I thought I had seen a few post that it was NE's compensatory.... perhaps they were sarcastic comments.  I will keep the dunce cone on for now.

[aaron11]

1 minute ago, nerukamo said:

allen was meant for helping block, not all by himself.

TEs that play that role are a dime a dozen. 

[nerukamo]

1 minute ago, dgambill said:

It was a joke...I know he shouldn't have been blocking him but lets not act like his blocking was out of this world....hardly irreplaceable.

 

ok lol. 

[PrincetonTiger]

Wow I go away for the day and this happens

 

[BR-549]

1 minute ago, Horse Shoe Heaven said:

1 play dude

Yeah but it was a bad one...and pretty much inexcusable.

[dgambill]

4 minutes ago, aaron11 said:

when is the last time a 6th rounder has worked out for the colts?

 

seriously i cant remember

Antoine Bethea and Pierre Garcon....but that was the Polian days......oh and don't forget Curtis Painter who landed us Andrew Luck.....6th rd picks have been very valuable to us lol.

[oldunclemark]

So the Pats preferred Dwayne Allen to Martellus Bennett??

 

4 things come to mind.

 

Rob Gronkowski must not be OK....

They wanted no more of Martelllus..

Our new GM preferred Doyle to Allen

Bill Belichik believes Allen is much better than we think he is

[aaron11]

Just now, dgambill said:

Antoine Bethea and Pierre Garcon....but that was the Polian days......oh and don't forget Curtis Painter who landed us Andrew Luck.....6th rd picks have been very valuable to us lol.

good call with bethea

 

garcon was/is a good player, but he left for the money first chance he got

[Yoshinator]

Just now, oldunclemark said:

So the Pats preferred Dwayne Allen to Martellus Bennett??

 

4 things come to mind.

 

Rob Gronkowski must not be OK....

They wanted no more of Martelllus..

Our new GM preferred Doyle to Allen

Bill Belichik believes Allen is much better than we think he is

Wrong, Bennett wanted $9 million and they couldn't afford him, so they traded for Allen and his smaller salary.

[dgambill]

1 minute ago, oldunclemark said:

So the Pats preferred Dwayne Allen to Martellus Bennett??

 

4 things come to mind.

 

Rob Gronkowski must not be OK....Given (he is always hurt)

They wanted no more of Martelllus..Given (he wants starter money)

Our new GM preferred Doyle to Allen Given (he is better)

Bill Belichik believes Allen is much better than we think he is Given (in their system he will be but their system and ours aren't equal)