Who should be the #2 Receiver?

[a06cc]

Dorsett is going to surprise a lot of people next season

[throwing BBZ]

18 hours ago, COLTS449 said:

What about keeping the tradition going and signing one of Roddy White or Marques Colston for the number 4 WR? I mean. IMO either of those guys would be better than AJ was wouldn't you all think so? At the right price one of those 2 would be the perfect 4th receiver. Not to mention Hilton, Moncrief, and Dorsett would have another veteran to learn from.

 

 Gee, both of those guys require on time accurate throws, so they ARE just like AJ.

[crazycolt1]

8 hours ago, krunk said:

What are you talking about? I'm talking about an Anquan Boldin type player to be our 4th receiver. I'm not talking about any tight ends.

A big bodied person who can out muscle defenders. Sounds like a tight end to me.

[krunk]

11 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:

A big bodied person who can out muscle defenders. Sounds like a tight end to me.

No.  An Anquan Boldin type of WR.  Possession type of receiver.

[ColtsFanMikeC]

On 4/4/2016 at 11:47 PM, DarkHorse said:

Phillip Dorsett who was the first round pick or Donte Moncrief who has shown signs of brilliance. I like them both that's hard to say I don't want to see a first-round pick run out of slot

 

In pre-season last  year, I remember Moncrief saying they were running a package called the 'Indy 500' because of the speed of Dorsett, Moncrief and TY.  Unfortunately, the majority of the year, we did not have a QB with arm strength to really push the ball downfield and utilize what is perhaps the best asset of all 3 of these guys (i.e., speed). 

With a healthy Luck (and hopefully an improved OC -- Pep was not calling good games last year, and it was pretty well known that Chud did not know all the nuances of the offense when he took over -- and hopefully an improved OL -- to give Luck time to throw and let plays develop), I would hope we see all 3 of them on the field pretty frequently.

 

On 4/4/2016 at 3:57 AM, Hoosiernsavga said:

I hate to beat a dead horse and even if Dorsett has a solid year. He wasnt worth a first round draft pick. He is what he is, hes more suited for the slot. TY and Moncrief are one and two i don't think that will change. 

 

Moncrief has size and track speed (i.e., straight away speed, but not near the agility of TY or Dorsett).  While all 3 of these guys are very fast, I have a feeling Dorsett is the quickest/most agile of the bunch.  Dorsett showed signs when he was healthy as a rookie, but was unable to play a full year, so it is way too early to tell whether or not he was worth a first round pick. 

 

I hope people don't forget about Reggie Wayne, who like Dorsett was a 1st round draft pick out of Miami.  When Wayne was picked, I don't remember it being the most popular pick among fans because we had other concerns on that team.  Anyway, Reggie had a lackluster 1st year, and really it wasn't until his 4th year when he first had >1,000 yards receiving.  In retrospect, I don't think anyone thought Wayne was worthy of a first-round pick after watching him in his first 3 years and now, after Reggie turned in a Hall of Fame-caliber career, I don't think anyone can look back and say that Reggie wasn't a first round talent.

 

Like Reggie, Dorsett was picked on a team with a young WR who has established himself in this league (I think Marvin was better than TY will ever be, but people have made that comparison), and was picked on a team with a 4th year QB who is really starting to come into his own (too early to tell how Luck will stack up to Peyton, but there is another comparison).  Like Reggie, Dorsett had a less than stellar first year.  Reggie is 6'0", Dorsett is not much smaller at 5'10".  It is way too early to label Dorsett as anything, because we really don't know what he can do in the NFL just yet.

 

On 4/4/2016 at 11:26 AM, Valpo2004 said:

Until Dorsett sets himself above what Moncrief has done then you stick with the guy that was your #2 last year.  

 

Moncrief. . . . 

 

The distinction I don't think is all that important though.  While there is a significant difference in playing time between the #2 guy and the #3 guy, the #3 guy still gets quite a bit of playing time.  

 

The biggest difference is between the #3 guy and the #4 guy.  

 

These days your #3 receiver is basically a starter in many respects.  If no receivers get hurt then no one really worries about how good their #4 receiver is.  It's just not that big of a deal (again assuming no injuries).  That's not true with the #3 receiver.  

 

I agree with you, that the #3 is basically a starter in many respects.  I've heard several people (I believe Ron Rivera was the latest) say that they expect Chud to spread the field and push the ball down field with this offense.  Having 3 WRs who run sub 4.4 forties should make that very doable.  Our OL will need to improve for this to work, however -- 1) to give Luck time to throw the ball and 2) to allow us to utilize 3 and 4 WR sets instead of being constantly forced into 2 or 3 TE packages to assist with blocking.  It is interesting to me that we signed Allen instead of Fleener and that it's been acknowledged that they plan on utilizing Allen in the passing attack more next year.  To me, it is a sign that we will see some significant changes with this offense.

 

If we can give Andrew time to throw the ball and keep him healthy, it will be an extremely daunting task for any secondary to match up with our speed at WR.  I know Superman has said the same thing in the past, but aside from being able to push the ball down the field, I see no reason why we will not be able to get a WR screen game going this coming season with the speed we've got.

[Gavin]

They will all be moved around. Lucks job is just find the open guy and throw to him

[B~Town]

Moncrief Strong

Dorsett Weak

Hilton Slot

Giving there physical traits route tress and play style I expect something like this . I don't think it matters much who is penciled in where they will move around sub in and out depending on the play snap counts ecct .

[GoColtsWin]

On April 4, 2016 at 0:42 PM, 21isSuperman said:

Moncrief is the #2 receiver without question, and I think he could even push TY for the #1 spot.

This^

[krunk]

Again I'm not worried about who does what between Moncrief, Hilton, and Dorsett. They'll all contribute nicely.  I want to see some quality guys added to those back up positions.  I'll say it again, I like Jordan Payton from UCLA.  We can't have a receiver corps full of nothing but short guys outside of Moncrief.  We also need some guys with size who can body up on people and make contested catches as well as being capable blockers against the run.  One of my guys is Jordan Payton.  The other is Geronimo Allison from Illinois.  If either one of them is there between the 5-7th rounds I'd look at it for sure.  I ain't down with Josh Boyce and Bryan Tyms.

[JPFolks]

On 4/4/2016 at 11:03 AM, Archer said:

Don't think it matters.  I expect a lot of 3-WR sets this year that will include Hilton, Moncrief, and Dorsett.  All will get their reps...

I think you're right since we currently only have one TE we know is ready for heavy inclusion in the passing game (I like Doyle, but he seems more blocker/utility/relief pitcher to me) I hope we get to use all 4 weapons at the same time with some expanded passes to the RB as well.   I'd like to see more crossing routes and dump offs to keep Luck off his butt and to hopefully loosen up the run game a little via play action short quick passes.  Then when we have them playing up we stretch the field with our overwhelming speed (Moncrief is no slouch in the speed department, so all 3 guys can fly down field on any given play).  Hopefully Chud will better utilize these guys.  

[Defjamz26]

Why is this even a question? It implies that the #2 receiver is an actual title that you get appointed, rather than something you earn and is more of a fan/analyst term. In theory anyone can be the number 1, or 2 receiver. It's not a position like Center where there can be only 1. #1 and #2 are terrible labels for receivers IMO. Although #1 is probably fine if you have a guy who is clearly head and shoulders better than anyone else on the team like Brown or Fitzgerald. But labeling guys after that is nonsensical IMO.

 

Throw the ball to whoever is open.

[scousecolt]

This is the year Griff Whelan finally gets it..

[Jason_]

7 hours ago, scousecolt said:

This is the year Griff Whelan finally gets it..

 

Well that would be good...for the Dolphins

[JPFolks]

On 4/5/2016 at 1:33 PM, a06cc said:

Dorsett is going to surprise a lot of people next season

You're clearly correct.... but for what reason is the question.  Because he was awesome, or he sucked? Since you expect him to be good (and I hope you're right) you wouldn't be one of the people surprised if he's great.  I thought he had very limited numbers of catches in college which worried me.  If our line can give Luck enough time to throw deep, great, but I want to see him also play inside on crossing routes and see if he can take a hit and hold on to the ball without getting hurt.  THAT is a skill/player we really need.  Reggie could get pounded and hang on and get right up.  Can Dorsett?  It remains to be seen.  

[Jason_]

33 minutes ago, JPFolks said:

You're clearly correct.... but for what reason is the question.  Because he was awesome, or he sucked? Since you expect him to be good (and I hope you're right) you wouldn't be one of the people surprised if he's great.  I thought he had very limited numbers of catches in college which worried me.  If our line can give Luck enough time to throw deep, great, but I want to see him also play inside on crossing routes and see if he can take a hit and hold on to the ball without getting hurt.  THAT is a skill/player we really need.  Reggie could get pounded and hang on and get right up.  Can Dorsett?  It remains to be seen.  

 

Thing is, those crossing routes also take time to develop so Luck will have to have improved protection to be able to utilize those crossing routes as well.

[JPFolks]

Just now, Jason_S said:

 

Thing is, those crossing routes also take time to develop so Luck will have to have improved protection to be able to utilize those crossing routes as well.

Well, it depends on the route.  Allen or a Slot running a shallow crossing route could be right over the line or within 3 steps.  Obviously if it's more of a post angle and you're hitting him midfield, that takes a bit longer, but none take as long as a bomb down the field.  We know (or at least I hope we do) that Dorsett can go deep, but for him to be more than a slot or a back up to the 1&2 receivers he needs to be able to take a hit over the middle.  Moncrief and Hilton have and do (though I love in that Hilton highlight post how often he jukes himself out of a hit and takes it to the house.. but I digress).   We really need Dorsett to live up to and even exceed expectations because ironically we really have no depth there.... not even Griff Whalen anymore.  I hope we pick up a solid veteran to add to our team or find some crazy good UDFA.  

[Dustin]

Regardless of skill, it will probably be Moncrief because Dorsett gets shooken up whenever anybody lays a hand on him. 

[crazycolt1]

3 hours ago, Dustin said:

Regardless of skill, it will probably be Moncrief because Dorsett gets shooken up whenever anybody lays a hand on him. 

Did you see the play that Dorsett was injured on?

[Dustin]

11 hours ago, crazycolt1 said:

Did you see the play that Dorsett was injured on?

 

Yeah. I also saw the other 6 times he got tackled and had to limp off the field. 

[crazycolt1]

4 hours ago, Dustin said:

 

Yeah. I also saw the other 6 times he got tackled and had to limp off the field. 

So your a specialist in sports injuries now?

[Dustin]

Just now, crazycolt1 said:

So your a specialist in sports injuries now?

 

You need to be a specialist to see somebody limp? 

[crazycolt1]

1 minute ago, Dustin said:

 

You need to be a specialist to see somebody limp? 

No but Dorsett gets injured in his rookie season and you label him an injury risk? I just figured you must be some sort of doctor or specialist in that field. Just giving you the benefit of the doubt.

[Dustin]

Just now, crazycolt1 said:

No but Dorsett gets injured in his rookie season and you label him an injury risk? 

 

Well, when you get injured a lot you kind of earn the label. It also doesn't help when your 5'1" and 110 lbs. 

[crazycolt1]

21 minutes ago, Dustin said:

 

Well, when you get injured a lot you kind of earn the label. It also doesn't help when your 5'1" and 110 lbs. 

You don't exaggerate much do you?

[superrep1967]

On 4/4/2016 at 1:47 AM, DarkHorse said:

Phillip Dorsett who was the first round pick or Donte Moncrief who has shown signs of brilliance. I like them both that's hard to say I don't want to see a first-round pick run out of slot

Moncrief

[PeterBowman]

All I know is that if they are used properly(and I think Chud will), these 3 can give D's fits.

[Hoosiernsavga]

2 hours ago, crazycolt1 said:

No but Dorsett gets injured in his rookie season and you label him an injury risk? I just figured you must be some sort of doctor or specialist in that field. Just giving you the benefit of the doubt.

I'm not sure if the poster is a doctor. And I'm certainly not. But I do know that Dorsett was injured as far back as high school and college where he had a minor MCL tear.  Like you said, he also was injured in his rookie season last year. 

I understand Dorsett is young and luckily his injuries have not been too serious. 

But as of right now, he is injured prone! 

[a06cc]

Everything depends on Luck though.