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He seems to struggle against certain teams like the Seahawks. I believe that an elite QB can face any team in the NFL and be clutch. Which is Peyton and Brady.

 

A huge plus is if you are lacking in something and still can succeed. *cough* Peyton with no oline and still makes the super bowl. Or Luck without an oline, running game, and defense and still make the playoffs. *cough*

 

What do you think?

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He seems to struggle against certain teams like the Seahawks. I believe that an elite QB can face any team in the NFL and be clutch. Which is Peyton and Brady.

A huge plus is if you are lacking in something and still can succeed. *cough* Peyton with no oline and still makes the super bowl. Or Luck without an oline, running game, and defense and still make the playoffs. *cough*

What do you think?

Peyton also struggled against the Seahawks. however you said implicitly that Peyton is elite, therefore Rodgers can, and should, still be considered elite even though he may occasionally struggle against a great defense.
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As a Pats fan I'll take Rodgers now over Brady as of September 13th 2014.

 

The Seahawks are maybe the best team in the NFL and beat the Packers at home.  The Dolphins shut down the Patriots in the 2nd half in Miami.  So to say Rodgers isn't elite because he didn't have a good game in Seattle but to say Brady is still elite even though he looked horrible in the 2nd half against Miami doesn't make sense.

 

What team and QB plays well in Seattle?  It's a place where the Saints, Packers, 49ers and Patriots have lost.

 

I wouldn't judge a QB overall by how they play in Seattle.

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Rodgers is Elite. But he does have flaws. Brees takes to many risks, Brady can't throw the deep ball, Manning doesn't have a good arm anymore, and Rodgers holds the ball WAY too long. All elite QB's have flaws.

 

I'd take Brees over Rodgers simply based on playoff records. Rodgers is 1-4 since winning the Super Bowl.

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Why does every QB in the league have to be held next to Brady or Manning to prove if they are "elite"?

 

 

Neither one have won a Super Bowl in how long?

 

Time to move on.

Because they have both been consistently good for a LONG time.  Some have a few good seasons,  some only last a few seasons.  These two have both done very well, and helped make the game exciting for many many years, and are still doing so.

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Rodgers is Elite. But he does have flaws. Brees takes to many risks, Brady can't throw the deep ball, Manning doesn't have a good arm anymore, and Rodgers holds the ball WAY too long. All elite QB's have flaws.

 

Brady can throw deep if he actually had a real legit down field receiver like he had with Moss who caught 21 td's in a single season with Brady.

 

We won't know till Brady has a WR like Johnson, Bryant or Julio Jones.

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Because they have both been consistently good for a LONG time.  Some have a few good seasons,  some only last a few seasons.  These two have both done very well, and helped make the game exciting for many many years, and are still doing so.

 

 

But neither have won a Super Bowl since Bush was president. That's all that really matters at the end of the day.

Favre was great too up to his final year and no one gave him that kind of special treatment since he never won another after 1996.

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But neither have won a Super Bowl since Bush was president. That's all that really matters at the end of the day.

Favre was great too up to his final year and no one gave him that kind of special treatment since he never won another after 1996.

you need a new line.... that one is worn out....  haha  ;)

 

So who is elite then...??  who's won multiple SB's since Bush was President?

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you need a new line.... that one is worn out....   haha   ;)

 

So who is elite then...??  who's won multiple SB's since Bush was President?

 

Why do we have to give them titles of "elite" to begin with?

The big stat hog QB's aren't winning Super Bowl's anymore, and last two times both Brady and Manning were in the big one, they got out played. It's old that they are treated like the greatest QB's since sliced bread yet haven't won a Super Bowl in such a long time.

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But neither have won a Super Bowl since Bush was president. That's all that really matters at the end of the day.

 

Then why even play any other games?  This Super Bowl or nothing reasoning is beyond ridiculous if you ask me.  Also, Super Bowls are a nonsensical measuring stick for quarterbacks since the last year that that the first team all-pro quarterback won was 1999.

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Why do we have to give them titles of "elite" to begin with?

The big stat hog QB's aren't winning Super Bowl's anymore, and last two times both Brady and Manning were in the big one, they got out played. It's old that they are treated like the greatest QB's since sliced bread yet haven't won a Super Bowl in such a long time.

To begin with ~ Super Bowl Wins, are Team Wins last I checked.

 

This is really not worth arguing about.  Anyone with a lick of common sense knows the worth of these two QB's.  Period.

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He seems to struggle against certain teams like the Seahawks. I believe that an elite QB can face any team in the NFL and be clutch. Which is Peyton and Brady.

 

A huge plus is if you are lacking in something and still can succeed. *cough* Peyton with no oline and still makes the super bowl. Or Luck without an oline, running game, and defense and still make the playoffs. *cough*

 

What do you think?

I think Rodgers is elite but your argument would have been more compelling if you cited his fourth quarter comebacks attempts which has him at the bottom of the list. Also, at this point he has won only won Super Bowl with a team that basically caught fire in the post-season. And it is not just Seattle that has his number but also the Niners and the Giants. All that being said, the Packers team has been declining since his Super Bowl win much like Brady with the Pats so not sure how much to really chalk up to Rodgers who consistently puts up elite numbers.

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Why does every QB in the league have to be held next to Brady or Manning to prove if they are "elite"?

 

 

Neither one have won a Super Bowl in how long?

 

Time to move on.

 

well, we know that defense wins championships. Ravens and Seahawks in the past 2 years are the perfect example. Average QBs with super bowls...

 

So if Peyton would have had the defense, he woulda had more sb's.

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Why does every QB in the league have to be held next to Brady or Manning to prove if they are "elite"?

 

 

Neither one have won a Super Bowl in how long?

 

Time to move on.

The only two elite are Brady and Manning.  Brees is up there. The others are great but elite is just that.

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well, we know that defense wins championships. Ravens and Seahawks in the past 2 years are the perfect example. Average QBs with super bowls...

 

So if Peyton would have had the defense, he woulda had more sb's.

Probably which is why is one of the two elite. Most Brady fans can see that.

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Brady can throw deep if he actually had a real legit down field receiver like he had with Moss who caught 21 td's in a single season with Brady.

 

We won't know till Brady has a WR like Johnson, Bryant or Julio Jones.

Brady missed A LOT of wide open throws down field. Having A great receiver helps but it doesn't improve your accuracy.

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I think Rodgers is elite but your argument would have been more compelling if you cited his fourth quarter comebacks attempts which has him at the bottom of the list. Also, at this point he has won only won Super Bowl with a team that basically caught fire in the post-season. And it is not just Seattle that has his number but also the Niners and the Giants. All that being said, the Packers team has been declining since his Super Bowl win much like Brady with the Pats so not sure how much to really chalk up to Rodgers who consistently puts up elite numbers.

This pretty much. I also think Rodgers is elite but perhaps overrated. He is not the best QB in the game.

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There is Manning and Brady and everyone else and that is based on the whole body of work. If the other Qbs, Brees, Rodgers, Wilson, Luck, etc. end up matching those two in terms of rings, league MVPs and wins then we can talk about who belongs with them.

All 4 of those guys are better than Brady.

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