Manning MVP. Locked In?

[CR91]

Hmmm...a little hypocritical tonight?

 

how is that

[CR91]

It won't be that cold, and even if it doesn, one bad game (which he probably wouldn't have anyway) isn't going to destroy his MVP chances. 

 

true

[Guest TeamLoloJones]

are you kidding. brady is media darling

I think you need to take a nap, and come back later.

[Guest TeamLoloJones]

how is that

You like to use the "I'm stating fact" quip, but you get annoyed when someone does it back at you.

[Shane Bond]

how many of those games were in a dome? look this isnt just manning. teams tend to run more when it gets colder.

This dome talk is getting old buddy.

 

Last 2 years, there is no Dome in Denver. He almost won an MVP last year and on verge of one this year. For a 37 yr old with banged up neck, not too bad. Lets cut it out.

[CR91]

You like to use the "I'm stating fact" quip, but you get annoyed when someone does it back at you.

 

your fact was just to be annoying not to support your claim

[CR91]

I think you need to take a nap, and come back later.

 

nah im good

[Guest TeamLoloJones]

your fact was just to be annoying not to support your claim

How is me reminding you that Peyton has a better record than Brady not support my claim of Peyton being the MVP?

[CR91]

How is me reminding you that Peyton has a better record than Brady not support my claim of Peyton being the MVP?

 

because I said just as much success record wise

[Guest TeamLoloJones]

because I said just as much success record wise

Should I post a stats comparison? Or would that just be annoying too?  Since it obviously wouldn't support my claim either.

[Shane Bond]

because I said just as much success record wise

Either you are AMFOOTBALL or Jim Irsay.

 

Both have 2 things in common.

 

1. Jealous of Manning

2. Lack common sense

[CR91]

Should I post a stats comparison? Or would that just be annoying too?  Since it obviously wouldn't support my claim either.

 

you can go ahead. peyton is throwing to three top wrs that can all be ones on another offense. brady's got a wounded TE, a qb turned wr, and two rookies

[CR91]

Either you are AMFOOTBALL or Jim Irsay.

 

Both have 2 things in common.

 

1. Jealous of Manning

2. Lack common sense

 

not rooting for manning doesnt prove lack of sense

[Guest TeamLoloJones]

you can go ahead. peyton is throwing to three top wrs that can all be ones on another offense. brady's got a wounded TE, a qb turned wr, and two rookies

ok ok ok...we can just agree to disagree.   Remember we're on the same team.

[CR91]

ok ok ok...we can just agree to disagree.   Remember we're on the same team.

 

fun argument

[Shane Bond]

you can go ahead. peyton is throwing to three top wrs that can all be ones on another offense. brady's got a wounded TE, a qb turned wr, and two rookies

I dont call any of the Denver WRs world class.

 

They are not tough and they drop a lot of balls when it matters. They are completely over rated.

 

I will take a 50% Reggie Wayne over them any day.

[Dustin]

you can go ahead. peyton is throwing to three top wrs that can all be ones on another offense. brady's got a wounded TE, a qb turned wr, and two rookies

 

And if Brady and Peytons production was comparable you would have a valid case, but they're production is not comparable. 

[Shane Bond]

not rooting for manning doesnt prove lack of sense

Its about this topic, not overall

[CR91]

I dont call any of the Denver WRs world class.

 

They are not tough and they drop a lot of balls when it matters. They are completely over rated.

 

I will take a 50% Reggie Wayne over them any day.

 

and you say I lack sense? welker never drops passes and if he does its rare. thomas is probably one of the best deep threats in the game along with YAC. decker can take over a game at any moment

[CR91]

And if Brady and Peytons production was comparable you would have a valid case, but they're production is not comparable. 

 

the mvp isnt about stats if it was calvin johnson would have won it easy a number of times

[Dustin]

and you say I lack sense? welker never drops passes and if he does its rare. thomas is probably one of the best deep threats in the game along with YAC. decker can take over a game at any moment

 

lolwut?

 

Welker led the league in drops last year.

[Dustin]

the mvp isnt about stats if it was calvin johnson would have won it easy a number of times

 

Yes the MVP is all about stats.

 

Calvin Johnson hasn't won it because he's a WR.

[Fx Stryker]

not rooting for manning doesnt prove lack of sense

 

I wouldn't call it "not rooting."

[Shane Bond]

and you say I lack sense? welker never drops passes and if he does its rare. thomas is probably one of the best deep threats in the game along with YAC. decker can take over a game at any moment

You just proved it again

[CR91]

lolwut?

 

Welker led the league in drops last year.

 

didnt know that, but thats one season so what

[CR91]

You just proved it again

 

really go ahead explain why

[CR91]

Yes the MVP is all about stats.

 

Calvin Johnson hasn't won it because he's a WR.

 

if it was about stats why didnt brees win it anytime hes broken 5000 yards

[Guest TeamLoloJones]

Yes the MVP is all about stats.

 

Calvin Johnson hasn't won it because he's a WR.

 

Peyton Manning 2009 MVP................68% 4,500 yds 7.88 yds/att.  33 TDs  16 INTs

Drew Brees 2009 MVP runner-up......70% 4,388 yds 8.54 yds/att.  34 TDs  11 INTs

[Shane Bond]

really go ahead explain why

 

I will just take the last game as an example.

 

Denver WRS had 7 clear drops. All of them game changing. Not to mention the gaffe by Welker in the OT.

 

Dustin also highlighted about Welker.

[CR91]

I will just take the last game as an example.

 

Denver WRS had 7 clear drops. All of them game changing. Not to mention the gaffe by Welker in the OT.

 

Dustin also highlighted about Welker.

 

clap clap clap. congrats you have one game. come back when that happens for a season

[Guest TeamLoloJones]

didnt know that, but thats one season so what

 

 

clap clap clap. congrats you have one game. come back when that happens for a season

...now that's funny!

[Dustin]

Peyton Manning 2009 MVP................68% 4,500 yds 7.88 yds/att. 33 TDs 16 INTs

Drew Brees 2009 MVP runner-up......70% 4,388 yds 8.54 yds/att. 34 TDs 11 INTs

Brees should have won it that year.

[Dustin]

if it was about stats why didnt brees win it anytime hes broken 5000 yards

You have to be more specific lol

[CR91]

You have to be more specific lol

 

2011 2012 5000 yard seasons

[MAC]

never said he couldnt win it just that I think brady deserve it more for having that as much success record wise with far less talent

Then you must have been devastated in 2010.

 

That year Peyton played brilliantly despite a weaker cast of skill players than Brady has now, and dragged a team (with vastly less defense than NE has now) into the playoffs. He was also already starting to show signs of the injury issues that later sidelined him. It might have been his best performance ever, yet he was overwhelmed in his voting by Brady's dominating stats with a better team.

 

And I didn't have a problem with that - it's the way the "game" is played.

 

More importantly, Brady has looked liked crud for most of this season, only stepping up the past 2-3 games. The Pats record isn't a reflection of his play - just ask a Pats fan. He shouldn't even be in the MVP conversation.

 

So even if you make it about the injured skill players, you could easily say that Peyton dealt with the problems in 2010 far better than Brady has dealt with his this year. And Peyton is on course to have a better year statistically than Brady had in 2010. So to the original question, I'll say again that if he slips he may lose it to Brees - it's far from locked up. But if he leads the league in TDs and yards while leading the Broncos to the #1 seed he IS going to win the MVP. I don't see any rational basis to think otherwise.

[Jules]

Brees is long overdue for an MVP but I doubt they give it to him cause he always gets snubbed. But, if he beats Seattle/Carolina and they get the #1/#2  seed in the end my vote is Brees possibly...

 

Peyton had a poor game in NE and a lackluster game against the Colts until the end when he almost came back and won in a furious comeback......."almost".....Beating KC is nice and all but it's not a statement win either to me.

 

 

But, it probably goes to Peyton as long as they win the AFC West.

 

It looks a bit like 2009 in a way with Peyton being ahead of Brees again in standings and both teams fighting to be the #1 seed......

[Dustin]

2011 2012 5000 yard seasons

Because Aaron Rodgers broke tons of NFL passing records in 2011.

In 2012, he threw 19 INTs.

[CR91]

...now that's funny!

 

ok that was goof, but welker has never been known as a dropper

[CR91]

Because Aaron Rodgers broke tons of NFL passing records in 2011.

In 2012, he threw 19 INTs.

 

still 5000 yards. he broke a record that stood for like 25 years or so

[Jules]

It's not a huge deal in the end though, it's a glorified voting popularity contest.

 

The real prize are the playoff wins in the end.

 

Any player would rather get the SB ring over the MVP trophy......